Introducing ANDS Vocabulary Services
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Transcript: English(auto-generated)
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Welcome everyone to today's webinar on Research Vocabularies Australia. First off I'll give you a rundown on what we'll be covering today. Initially we'll talk about what is a vocabulary and give some examples of vocabulary use in everyday life and research. We'll talk about why ANDS has developed its new vocabulary service and then we'll give a
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demonstration of the service and make sure that there's plenty of time for questions and discussion. So first up, what is a vocabulary? Well the Getty defines a controlled vocabulary as an organised arrangement of words and phrases used to index content or to retrieve content
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through browsing or searching. A controlled vocabulary may be a simple list of terms or a more complex organisation of terms, definitions, translations or the expression of broader, narrower and matching relationships. An ontology involves another level of complexity involving the expression of a far greater range and number of specific relationships.
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For the purposes of today's webinar and in describing the ANDS service we're talking about vocabularies rather than ontologies. Medical doctors use software that incorporates vocabulary terms and definitions. They need to be able to make very precise observations about symptoms presented by a patient in order to select appropriate medicines. When
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using such software the GP will not typically type in these observations but will select terms through autocomplete or point and click. Choices are controlled based on a controlled vocabulary and Australia is attempting to go in agreement on sets of terms which will enable the implementation of shared electronic patient reports.
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Authorities deal in vocabularies. In the United States of America the Federal Highway Administration has an extensive authoritative classification of vehicles. This includes text descriptions and images aimed at clearly conveying what is meant by terms describing a wide range of vehicles. Vocabularies are a natural output of such authorities.
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In the case of the highway authority the classification is typically used to support charging on toll roads but such classifications may also have applications to research. Vocabularies are used in information systems. Consumer sites such as Amazon are
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structured using controlled terms. An item such as a travel wallet is categorized within a hierarchical tree that starts with clothing, shoes and jewellery, then progresses to luggage and travel gear, then down to travel accessories and finally the item itself, travel wallets. Such categorizations are enabled by controlled vocabularies and are often a complement to
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text-based search or indeed combined with search in faceted or filtered search. Controlled or standardized vocabularies are an important part of research and scholarly communication since these rely on precise concepts with shared and structured terminology. The ability to replicate and test and experiment or communicate and verify a conclusion
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requires clear description and communication of concepts about which there is a shared understanding of meaning. As an example paleontologists use an agreed vocabulary covering time periods. This enables them to refer to periods of time in the knowledge that they agree for example on how a particular era relates to a particular era.
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Data captured by the Integrated Marine Observing System are documented using an agreed community metadata schema. These descriptions involve the use of controlled vocabularies which underpin the indexing of data during dataset registration in data delivery systems as well as provide the content for search facets available within
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the IMOS Data Discovery Portal. The use of controlled vocabularies also allows IMOS to integrate internationally with other initiatives such as ODIP or the Ocean Data Interoperability Plan. Vocabularies are also important in labeling data reuse. As a simple example a tabular dataset in a spreadsheet would typically
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contain column headings describing the content of each table. A third party wishing to use this data would need to know what those headings mean in order to make sense of the data. To support data reuse the data creator may supply a data dictionary to accompany the dataset. Controlled terminology is also vital if seeking to relate datasets to each other.
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Whether this is a relatively simple join across two datasets or a meta-analysis involving the bringing together of multiple datasets which may have been created at different time periods or across different geographic regions. Wherever datasets are linked or merged
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the connections are made at points that are known to be fine. Things can go wrong when there isn't a shared understanding of terminology. In September 1999 a NASA spacecraft was lost due to mismatch between metric and imperial units used by the navigation and production teams respectively. As part of a $300 million mission
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the orbiter had completed a nearly 10 month journey to Mars and was lost by being put into the wrong orbit. One agency supplied metric measurements and the other supplied imperial. So that was a bit of a rundown on vocabularies, what they are and how they're used and
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particularly how they're used in research and their importance to research. I'll now pass over to Adrian who will talk about the ANDS development of the vocabulary service and why ANDS was involved in this activity. Thanks Sean. So we've heard there how standardized vocabularies are applicable to making better research, better connections and
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discovery for research data and better reuse of research data. We've had some nice examples of all of those applications of standardized vocabularies. Now discovery, connections between
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data and the reuse of data are all things which are part of the core mission of the Australian National Data Service and a lot of our infrastructure and services are targeted to improve the connections between data that make it more easily discoverable, make it reusable
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in some in general it's you know to add value to data and that is the core mission of the Australian National Data Service is to make research data more valuable. So I think we've seen in those examples that research data that has been encoded with standardized terminology
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that's agreed upon or at least commonly used or at least defined by a community that that kind of data is undoubtedly more valuable than you know data that hasn't been done.
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So what can ANDS then do to make using these kind of standardized vocabularies easy? You know to make doing the right thing which is sometimes expensive or hard to make doing the right thing easy and also when ANDS is thinking about what a service we can provide
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we don't provide obviously things which are very specific for an institution or a discipline or a domain but we're looking for things which cut across the domains that which are useful across every institution in Australia or across every domain in Australia. So we provide that cross-cutting kind of services for discovery and connection and reuse
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and so we've now launching today a set of services that make it easier for researchers to find and use standardized vocabularies that apply to their research that make it easier for
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research communities to publish and share standardized vocabularies that they are applying to their own research and a set of services that make it easy to in fact create and manage
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machine readable forms of these easily shareable forms of these standardized vocabularies. So to that end we've got a system that has sort of three areas of functionality one which is around discovery and reuse and making things easier we've got if you like a portal that
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makes it easier and then a whole set of tools widgets that make it easier to use standardized vocabularies we've got a publishing platform that allows you to publish the existence and a description of your standardized vocabulary as well as actually share
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finely crafted version of that vocabulary an official definitive source if you like that's also machine readable and then we have a set of editing tools that allow you to craft and create manage an important part of managing a vocabulary is being able to work
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with collaborators being able to talk over the definitions and terminology that is used come to consensus and then publish it out so we have developed tools in all of those different areas and Jane will be walking us through those in a little moment just before we get that a little
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note on how we've been able to get input into the service as we've been developing this service over the last year it's been part of a collaborative project with a couple of the research facilities and research organizations here in Australia really based on their requirements
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and and needs and there's been a formal project since last October and we're just now sort of we've had a release of the software that underlies the service and now we're really launching the service as a as a full package it's not just it we are
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we realize that this is a lot to do with you know just promoting the awareness creating the different communities that that have the shared interests and the shared definitions that create a controlled vocabulary making you know training support materials there's a whole set of other
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things around the core IT functions and so we've been creating the service over the last year we're very very open to further input from any of the users particularly here in Australia
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but internationally about making research vocabularies that are of global research interest you know available to our researchers here in Australia so if you are have any interest whatsoever we're very very keen to hear how you might be able to use the service or if you have suggestions about areas in which we could expand so we might now go to have a look
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at a closer look at the service we'll be changing over to Jane down in Melbourne. Jane would you like to take over the screen there and then move us on? Yes absolutely so as Adrian said research vocabularies Australia is basically made up of three different tools
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a research vocabularies Australia portal which is for the discovery and distortion and access of vocabularies a repository where those vocabularies and metadata about them is stored and an editor in which our partners can create and and manage their own vocabularies
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and these different portions can be used by lots of different users either as creators and providers of vocabularies who may become religious or librarians data managers really anyone who's looking at the creation or management or sharing of vocabulary and consumers of vocabularies
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research groups or researchers librarians data managers etc so now we're going to do a little bit of a demo of the vocabulary service and so this is the URL for the
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research vocabularies Australia portal so this is sort of a landing page of RVA and as you can see we have a big long list of vocabularies that are currently available through our system so for a lot of these vocabularies there is metadata about them and
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also either links out to a provider's website or actual data that is served within this system so let's try doing a search all right so I just searched for the queries of water and so I'm being recommended a couple of different results and some of these results are vocabularies that
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are relevant so obviously water resources thesaurus is a relevant vocabulary to my search and then I'm also getting some vocabularies in which the concepts in them are relevant so
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here we can see that the AODN parameter category vocabulary has two concepts that are relevant physical water and water pressure we can also do some faceting here we allow for the faceting of subjects that are describing the vocabularies as a whole the publishers of
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vocabulary languages which are used in the vocabulary formats in which the vocabulary is available ways in which the vocabulary is accessible and how the vocabulary might be licensed all right so let's take a look at this first result here so we've got a vocabulary
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and some metadata about it you can see that it's published by the USGS and it has some other related organizations so we can see a little bit of information about those it was created in 1971 getting some some metadata about it and the current version is the 1980 version and this
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actually links out to the USGS website in which the vocabulary is available in pdf form so this format is really great for people to use and so you as a researcher might want to describe
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your research using this thesaurus and you can also share it with your colleagues and have them describe their their research using this thesaurus but it's not really available in a machine readable format and there are some advantages that the RVA takes advantage of
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that a machine readable format might offer and we will actually take a look at one of those right now so we're going to go to the third result which is the AODN parameter category vocabulary all right so it looks pretty similar so far to the other vocabulary but we actually
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have a few other other tools available to us all right so you can see that this vocabulary was published by EMII it has an author and you can actually see other vocabularies that that author may have worked on as well we can browse through the current version of this vocabulary
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so we can actually drill down into those concepts we can also search um so it's recommended us physical water as a concept in that vocabulary for that current version of the vocabulary we have a couple of different choices we can query the vocabulary
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data via sparkle the sparkle prairie language we can download the vocabulary in a variety of formats of our own choice or we can access the vocabulary via the RVA linked data API
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so the linked data API allows us to work with the actual concepts of the vocabulary and so you can actually see a lot of information about the individual concepts including their unique ID and lots and lots of other very useful stuff this actually it's also possible to
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query the linked data API so I've been provided with just those four top concepts this vocabulary in the linked data API it's also possible to view the vocabulary in various different formats so here we're viewing the exact same thing just in JSON format all right so I'm going to go
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back to the RVA portal and show you how this vocabulary can be used via the research vocabularies Australia widget so the widget is actually a really fantastic tool that you can use in your own system to describe or discover vocabularies so you can actually
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use it for the description or discovery of your own resources in your system so this is an example of how this vocabulary can be searched so I've just searched for water and I've selected
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the water pressure concept so you could see how that can be used to apply water pressure as a subject to a resource and it actually also shows a little snippet of the code that allows you to implement that vocabulary we have more information about this widget at R and developer's
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website there's actually three different modes we were just looking at the the searching mode which here is available with the ANZ SRC FOR vocabulary there's also a narrowing mode which is currently being sourced from the RISC-S vocabularies for registry schema identifier
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so all of the concepts in that vocabulary are available for choice here and there's also a pre-mode that allows you to drill down into the concepts and select one of your choice all right so we've talked about the ways that the portal can be used and the widget can be used and the
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linked data API can be used but we haven't yet talked about how these vocabularies actually get into the system so the ways to access that are through my vocabularies and I've actually already signed in via my personal AAF account so this my vocabs can be used by vocabulary managers
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publishers etc anyone who wants to publish a vocabulary for the use of other researchers and other organizations it allows you to describe your vocabularies very richly by adding
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metadata about them it also allows you to upload or link to multiple versions of the vocabulary so we can see here there's lots and lots of different ways that we can describe vocabularies if you already have a system for managing your vocabularies you can describe and link to or upload your vocabulary using add a new vocabulary but if you don't have that
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if you don't have a sort of useful way of managing your vocabularies then you can do so privately in our RVA editor we have chosen to use the pool party system for that and
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you can actually automatically integrate those vocabularies that you've either created or managed in pool party into this system which I'll show you in a little bit but I'll actually take you to pool party first so this is the system that we allow our partners to actually manage and create their own vocabularies in and this is not available for public viewing
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but it is sort of like an editing tool and we can see here that I've created just a little silly vegetable vocabulary here with some concepts I've created a little bit of metadata about those concepts right so because our two systems are integrated what we can do here is
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take the unique idea of that of that project and our RVA portal will automatically recognize it and we can basically the a lot of the metadata that has been provided in pool party
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will automatically be recognized by the portal and we'll just have to add just a little bit more information before we can publish it so we'll say that this vocabulary was created in 2015 and we will add the current version of the data of the vocabulary I'll call it
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and it is being released today told the system that I want this to be available via sparkle api for querying and also via the linked data api through a web page it's owned by my organization and now I can publish this vocabulary all right so
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now we can see that this is available for anyone on the web to browse we can drill through those vocabulary concepts within RVA portal we can also see how that how the widget could be possibly implemented in another
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system and see that code exactly we could query this vocabulary via sparkle query we could download it in a lot of different formats and we can also see it in the linked api so this allows for that really really easy integration between
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the vocabulary editor which is pool party and the vocabulary portal which we're looking at right now all right so that ends the demo of RVA so I'm actually going to go ahead and hand back the presenter to Susanna thank you Jane now there's a whole bunch of questions
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that have come through now this one says how can we cite a vocabulary or a particular version of the vocabulary a very good question as part of this service there's no particular site this vocabulary in this particular way that's a good question we'll take that on board as a potential
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future functionality so that people can refer to the vocabulary itself I mean the portal obviously will have a url so there's no reason why you couldn't use the url of that descriptive page to reference the vocabulary but I assume that Peter you're asking about
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some more formal way of acknowledging and tracking its use etc it's a good question in that it acknowledges that these classifications and concept schemes and terminologies etc are really
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quite an important output of of scholarly activity and certainly and that you're empowering global research you know and it can take you know sometimes you know five or ten years for
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community to come together and do all the diplomacy and politics and technology and science that's required to you know get to a shared set of concepts that you know really can empower your a global community of research for you know then you know decades afterwards
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so that output itself is a is a is an important output of research we've had people ask us whether you know people are familiar with our other service research data Australia which is really a publishing of research outputs kind of non-traditional outputs if you like we've had people ask if over in that system you could
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have a description of a workout and kind of register it for people to say yep this is an output of our research project and obviously over in that system we have set things up to you know for you to be able to cite a data set or to cite a piece of software or something like that so i know that's something we've been looking at through the research data Australia
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portal list you might cite these kind of things as you know first class objects of research but again how would we make the linkage you know if a data set says that yes we use this set of terms and how would that be communicated so yeah that's a good question i'm happy to have
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other people discuss but for the moment we'll take that as a as a suggestion for future functionality not just sort of technical functionality but really the question how do you share acknowledge and refer to these kind of very important scholarly
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resources and scholarly outputs certainly if any of the participants today are aware of working this area we'd be very interested to hear about it i mean i'd imagine at the very least one would want to record the name of the vocabulary very importantly the version
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as the versions change and relationships in the vocabulary can change the publisher and i'd say a uri to whatever is the primary publication point i mean who is the organization or individual that is creating and maintaining that vocabulary and where
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can that suppose canonical version of that vocabulary be discovered yeah good to learn more about that is the vocabulary being used to describe the vocabularies which does sound rather recursive but yes that's the kind of thing we have thought about
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jane are you there yeah no that's an excellent question currently we are using both the anz src for the fields of research vocabulary that is published via the australian
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bureau of statistics and we also allow people to create their own local concepts so basically just subject tags however in the future we hope to be able to describe the vocabularies using other vocabularies and yes it is definitely a very a meta concept can a concept
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for example bean be shared between more than one vocabularies for example both in the vegetable vocabulary but also in a recipe vocabulary again a really nice question there so yes the same concept is quite often present in two different vocabularies it might be
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published you know a subset that we use which is you know there might be an international vocabulary that has you know two thousand concepts and someone in australia will say well
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we're you know we're using this little subset and if you're using our data archive then we need you to you know describe your data using these 50 of that very large potential global set so we have already got examples like that so you get a second you know a smaller vocabulary
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there are ways in the in the background in the the way in which these vocabularies are encoded for you know machine use there's a standard called scos and scos does allow you to say the concept in this particular standardized vocabulary list is exactly the same as our
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concept in another one or is you know pretty much the same as another one or you know a number of different kinds of matches so and that's a very important kind of tool in this knowledge
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management that allows you to say you know these two things are pretty much the same or exactly we're actually reusing that one exactly the same in this other vocabulary so yes that's very much you know part of it anything else rome yes it's it's one of the wonders of linked data in that each of these concepts in the vocabularies that have been published through the end service
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have a unique identifier and that identifier can be referenced and pointed towards using other vocabularies here's a nice question would you permit library studies or information management
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students to use this service to learn about constructing a vocabulary a good question to put me on the spot for the scope of our service well let me start with saying that the normal scope for this service is research so we're asking research groups if they are using
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a particular you know local australian vocabulary for marsupials or gum trees or something like that to publish it we're also asking if there are global standards for describing oceans etc that you know you use this service to publish and promote the reuse of that in research that's our standard kind of scope where the scope grows out and we've had for example some
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commonwealth science agencies or commonwealth government agencies that define things for australia and those vocabularies are used by obviously you know used by research the example
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you had here is the abs the australian bureau of statistics who have done a classification of research and we're using that particular classification here so the scope does move out to you know commonwealth agencies that define concepts to be used in research
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um we are funded by the department of education so you know the using this for students is obviously not out of scope the kind of license that we have is you know is based on educational institutions so as a
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as in principle you know students learning how to you know create vocabularies yeah would definitely be in scope we'd have to obviously see how much of a load that puts on our system from a pragmatic point of view but certainly the students today are the researchers
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of tomorrow and quite a lot of research is done by students anyway so skilling up the knowledge managers of the future is certainly something that is in our interest and you know we'd be very keen to make sure that this infrastructure can help to make sure that in five or ten years we've got lots of people who can you know continue using this how can we access
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pool party didn't seem to have an aaf login at the url i copied from on screen so maybe we'll go back to jane to sort of walk through or at least describe how access happens there yeah absolutely so uh you should be able to see a link right now uh to the rva documentation
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home which we have made available for anyone to use so this not only would allow you to learn how to describe a vocabulary and publish a vocabulary via the rva portal it also will allow you to use pool party and to get registered for pool party so to to get up set to get set
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up with an account for pool party you can contact us at services at ans.org.au and there's also a few helpful documents on the rva documentation that um walk you through
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the process of getting started with that system so um yeah get in touch with us and do a little bit of discovery in the rva documentation yes and on that just so it's clear on the axis uh look as far as the discovery portal it's an open internet service so everyone we're encouraging everyone in the world to come and browse through the vocabs there if you want
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to publish you know a description of a vocabulary it's a very open system you can log in with a number of um login systems that's a very open system we're encouraging anyone to come in and share information about their vocabularies if you want to use the editor then that's a slightly
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more restricted service it's not restricted in that sense but you do need to contact us to get an account to start to use that so have a look at the documentation that's linked on the screen at the moment and contact services at ans if you want to get started using the editor okay our next question is the library world might treat an online
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vocabulary as a data set a continuing resource or an electronic resource assuming that this is a comment around us that the discussion we had a little bit earlier about you know are they a resource for citation yes i'm assuming this is a um yes a question about you know how
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would you refer to these things so i think uh that questionnaire is saying that the the library world would treat these as a data set or as a some kind of an electronic resource i suppose that's a plus one vote for um finding a way of being able to acknowledge and
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the usage of these things do you have any plans to make it possible to search across vocabularies for a specific concept and it is actually currently possible to search in the rva portal for a concept and be recommended to various vocabularies
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and if you remember in the demo from before we saw some concepts that were recommended from those various vocabularies in the search results if i make a vocabulary how do i ensure that the uris will be valid is the intention that vocab.ans.org.au serves these that's a good
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question i might just get started and then i'll get some comment from everyone else yes we can provide um you know uh the uh uris probably better um practice is to provide a permanent url with some kind of identifier so you could provide them back on your own site if you have
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some long-lived urls that you think you're if you are the national library of australia or something like that and you think you have a some long-lived site then you're welcome to use your your own urls in a in a vocabulary that's published through our site and also has a few
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persistent url persistent identifier services that you could use so we have a doi service we have a handle service we have a access to a pearl server as well so as you're getting in touch with us about publishing your vocabulary we could talk to you about using some of those
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services to create your url so that they would be more persistent into the future so i think there's a you know there's a set of uh options there and i think you know the the vocabularies if you go through the stuff that we already have on the site now uh we probably got examples
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of all of those different scenarios all right uh we've got another question here a comment there is a sophisticated handling of vocabularies as entities that can be cited and it's seems that is emerging good so that's a nice comment and we'll follow that up with that
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question afterwards all right another question i'm looking at uh vocabs.org slash particular one platform category and i see that there is a concept vessel no definition of what a vessel is does the system allow you to put in the definition the answer is yes
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uh scos the kind of scheme that is generally used for describing um vocabulary has a property that is definition of course you know not all the properties are
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compulsory and these resources tend to be a kind of a continuum between you know a simple list a list with some identifiers a lift a list with some descriptions then you're starting to move on to what would normally be called a let's say a thesaurus or something like that
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so but certainly your the factual question is yes it is possible to provide definitions so anything else to add there yeah well i suppose in the case of the vocabulary that we're looking at this was uh provided by a third party by imos and um in some cases they would or would not
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provide definitions so it's really up to you in that sense it's up to the content creator to decide the extent of the guidance that may be provided this probably gets us to the point about i suppose the scope of the and service that fundamentally there's the provision of
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uh the technical infrastructure and the support for people to be able to use the tools but they they come in limits on the degree to which um and may or may not intervene in the publication and editorial practices of the content providers and that discussion around that area is probably something that and will tease out a little more in time yeah i have one more little thing
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to add there um so that commenter said that they're looking at the vocabulary in the portal and just to sort of literally answer this question yes rva does allow for you to put in a definition but that would happen at the editing point so right now you're looking at
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the portal and um the the adding a definition would happen at the editing portion of the service and the uh access to the information about the definition you'd probably be doing at a different level not at that sort of descriptive level that we have in the portal right and the definition
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of that concept would be visible via the linked data api which we did to look at yeah that's right yeah either we doubt it to be in the rdf that's downloaded or you could view it in that interface that you showed so all right we've got another question here what happens to the pool
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account if and funds end okay that's a good question um so overall for our service it's a sustainable service because it's a national infrastructure now of course national infrastructure if australia were to be um you know become a banana republic or something like
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that then of course you know perhaps the roads wouldn't work and all sorts of things uh wouldn't the commonwealth government has a national collaborative research infrastructure strategy which has been going on since the early 2000s and which is you know is refreshed every few
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years there's a currently a serious review that's happening with prime minister and the cabinet the clark review which is about you know plans for the next 10 years of research infrastructure so it's part of that big research infrastructure strategy so you can count on it if you know if
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it's a valuable service then it can be considered to be a sustainable part of that national research infrastructure if the particular your question is you know what happens if pool party you know you no longer have access to pool party to create and manage things we've constructed
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the service in a particular way that uh creation and management does actually does use the commercial pool party tool which is a really nice intuitive and easy to use interface however once you've finished creating it um all the publication and management happens in the
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kind of open source uh and controlled infrastructure uh which would continue you know whether we paid pool party a license or not so the license really is to allow you to create things and and manage the new versions and things like that or to use the pool party to
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have discussions with your community around you know concepts etc but once you've done that and you've got a list then we don't use the pool party for access for publication for discovery all the long-lived activities happen in fully and controlled and open source infrastructure surely to
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be of value definition should be mandatory if you do not know what it means then what is the use of simply knowing a concept in terms of being able to mash up the data i go back to roan's comment there um yes uh if for your particular community it is absolutely necessary
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to have the definition then we would encourage you to to do so i mean hans is providing a an enabling infrastructure i don't think we'll have a heavy hand around uh quality etc um if that's what's required for your community then we'll help you to to provide that to
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provide what's required uh yes look a definition is and uh just to be clear about that one you see the definition uh up at the portal it's quite possible that there are definitions for all of those or that they are you know as we said before related to another concept which is
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defined somewhere else yes it's an interesting question isn't it i mean this vocabulary has been created has been demonstrated to be able to be used and meet the needs of the content provider now what happens when that vocabulary becomes more broadly available and people may be interested in using it as adrian says there isn't you know there are questions
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about what ann's role is in that area but perhaps it comes down to uh development of a community around vocabulary users so new users can talk with content creators about their vocabularies and suggest uh changes modifications because one of the primary things
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in the end service is the enablement of a distributed and community workflow for creating and managing vocabulary so it's certainly discussion about content and content modification is part of that um there are also some vocabularies that are purposefully developed with no uh definitions for the concepts and um sometimes these vocabularies
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are created in that way because the people who are developing them believe that you should be able to understand what the concepts are or sort of the definition of
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the concept based on where it sits in relationship to other concepts so that's just one one perspective there that's all i had to add really the next question is can we suggest vocabs to be included meaning vocabs developed by others not our own so that's a very good question
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anyway back on the interface of research vocabularies australia there is a feedback interface yes so the answer to your question is yes we are very very keen to be led by the community as to what content should be covered in the in the discovery portal uh so we are
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extremely keen to hear from you about that there are ways of providing that feedback through the portal or just to the services of dan's email that's there or if you want us you know to be involved in you know talking to you about you know what the requirements are we really
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keen to be involved there now of course as not and doesn't pretend to be subject matter experts in all these different domains but we're happy to facilitate those conversations like the ability to find api endpoints in each individual vocabulary entry is there an api to query
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list of published controlled vocabulary entries that's interesting question can you query all the different an api query of all the different vocabularies yes you can but we'd to provide at the moment that's a it's not something that we surface up there in the general sort of graphical user interface but it's a seems though you're saying that's a
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useful thing then we will find ways of making that more visible and we can provide that to you offline as well your last question if we have an existing control vocabulary already published
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elsewhere and described in rdf turtle are we able to make it accessible through rva if so how would this work yeah absolutely 100 that's part in the research vocabulary is
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australia we assume that we will have descriptions of let's say hundreds of research vocabularies hopefully thousands let's hope not millions and there'll be descriptions of lots some of those will have you know uploaded files that can also be used
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they may be you know the official there may be several sort of access points we're very happy for this service to provide an ongoing access point particularly as it's part of research infrastructure that's really one of the services we're hoping to provide so they're um yes absolutely can we register or find out what collections are using a vocabulary
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that's a good question i'm not sure that we have a way of doing that immediately and it's a very good question actually i i can go ahead and answer that we do actually have a way of describing a service or another tool that may be using a vocabulary so if you're on the
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rva portal page for a vocabulary and someone has entered information about a system that may be using that vocabulary so for example uh mesh the medical subject headings vocabulary
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um is used in um in a lot of different systems um so it's possible to enter information about those systems that are using that vocabulary and if you want to provide information about that you can always give us feedback
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through the portal good and your the point amanda about you know what data collections use a particular vocabulary is a very good one at the moment we don't have that sort of value add between let's say research data australia and research vocabularies australia
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but point taken we will look into how to you know it's kind of on our backbone and we have a nice comment there that we should use uh yasui uh for the sparkle endpoints thanks for that um we'll take that on board as well fantastic thank you all very much and we will see you all at our next webinar
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