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all right so all and all I want to watch it you are an excuse all speakers prodromal the 1st time I saw a friend was actually on line home videos of recorded at quite Communist where she was talking about what's great being and data man wearing Amory lofted talks finally we got to know intellectually and the wall in about 2015 and as you know like she's also a a she wrote a book on the demanding on Riley University of view courses user is 1 of the organizers of high data and very active on member all for community and now are she's going to talk about ethics and that are you basically also like you European basic notion of born in away book you were in Poland and 3 years now we have trained that so um yes all of and today she's going to talk about ethics and effects of beta All Souls model technical all of its so what I want to walk to review very warm welcome to the frame and few but I think you for being here I know there was quite a fun social event last nite so I appreciate you giving of early into enough and I want to think of the organizing committee for organizing such a great conference and also inviting me to be here
today I'm going to talk about a topic that is quite controversial in some circles
now affix might be something that you learned about in school it might be something that you even debate on the world stage or when you talk about politics with your friends but it's not often that in the work that we do every day we get into ethical conversations but I wonder if it should I myself work as a data scientists and I myself face these types of ethical conversations often when building models or when I'm thinking about how we use data and because of this I think that perhaps as even as a larger computing field even if you don't work with data perhaps this is something that we should be talking about so what would you today is going to take you through some of the history of computing with an ethical focus so going to take a look at the important moments in computing history and some of the ethical reasoning behind them to begin
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its goal is to have these people these intelligence workers to be to click on a screen at these unknown aircraft and and fire missiles at them and destroy them midair therefore protecting the United States from putting good Soviet attack this was a system that was designed by a lot of intelligent computer scientists a lot of people that were building IBM's best computers at the time in the late fifties and early sixties and when I saw this advertisement I mean it's quite over the top I will have to pursue later so you can look at it yourself but I wondered what the computer scientists who were working on this machine thought I wonder if perhaps they were at all concerned ethically about their creation and in testing actually this stage system was wholly ineffective I am 1 test called operations shield it would have only neutralized 25 per cent of targets weaving 75 per cent of missiles incoming ends to whatever devastation they were able to make and so I wonder if when they saw this advertisement and it's made seem like I you're completely safe and secure because we have a computer and the computer will take care of it all I wonder what the computer scientists actually thought the computer engineers who were building this system and I wonder if they were concerned with how was marketed as they were concerned about failure so this is a constant problem in computing computing has been touched by the military has
been touched by state intelligence systems in a lot of ways throughout history the 1st computer scientists and mathematicians will look at is not but know and nobody knows what was a famous statistician is time and he worked with neurologist and other mathematicians to help discover some of of the ways that our brain sends electricity so this is when 1st discovering how electrical signals travel to the brain and that when we're 1st discovery neural networks and he also did some statistics for the military in fact his work went on to contribute to the minimum mean squared estimator which essentially allows us to estimate for he used it for flight paths for missile defense so he himself worked with the military himself probably had his own ethical qualms but his seminal work is a book called cybernetics and he was actually 1 of the 1st coined this term this is this idea of using computers as an aid to help us make decisions and in cybernetics he
has a quote that I think is important to share today are read a slightly longer version than we have here I have said that this new development computers has unbounded possibilities for good and for evil it gives the human race the new and most effective collection of mechanical slaves to perform its lever such mechanical labor has most of the economic properties of slave labor although unlike slave labor it does not involve the director moralizing effects of human cruelty however any labor that accepts the conditions of competition with slave labor accepts the conditions of slave labor and is essentially slave labor the key word of this statement is competition it may very well be a good thing for humanity to have the machine removed from its the need of menial and disagreeable tasks or it may not I do not know when I read this quote and I realize that it was written in 1948 I was a bit surprised that I don't feel like we've moved much further along in the conversation I feel like this quote could be shared in an article today in a blog post today in any type of news today as we debate automation and jobs the people in our field we work to automate tasks away sometimes we work on systems that were entirely replaced in industry and therefore are we then responsible for the degrading of lives that happens when that occurs perhaps it's better that nobody has to be a factory worker or that nobody has to drive a taxi if they don't want to be a truck driver and so forth but what is it mean is it the tyranny of the few is it perhaps those of us that can automate away things and the societies that can afford to automate the way things are are versus those that perhaps can't and if those other societies or of other nations can't keep up does this mean that they're essentially competing against these robots against this as the so called slave labor the next
mathematician that will look at and great computer scientists is justifies 1 now by mom was essentially contemporary he was a German and he was born in Berlin and his family escaped Nazi persecution by emigrating to the United States and he grew up and was educated primarily the he became a professor at MIT in the 19 sixties and you might know his work because he built a lies about so for those of you familiar with natural language processing or perhaps it just heard about it the allies about was probably the 1st chapter and use natural language patterns to essentially mimic human speech and act as a therapist now by the models also famous in his own right for some other inventions that he did in fact this is a photo of him at the site and in 1965 and he's demonstrating remote login to his MIT machine the yeah bison bomb was came to become quite active politically within his time and he actively work to challenge those around him on these ethical and political concerns that he had I think he felt that especially important given his family's history to talk about ethics in computing and what he saw around him and he began to question whether AI and computer science were a force of good in the world yeah this is a quote from an interview in MIT publication in 1985 where I feel accuse particularly candid about his feelings about computing the all again read a longer quote I think the computer has from the beginning in a fundamentally conservative forces it has made possible the saving of institutions pretty much as they were which otherwise might have had to change for example thinking superficially it looks as if thinking has been revolutionized by the computer but only very superficially consider that say 20 25 years ago the banks were faced with the fact that the population was growing at a very rapid rate many more checks would be written than before their response was to bring in the computer by the way I helped design the 1st computer banking system in the United States for the bank of america 25 years ago the now if it had not been for the computer if the computer had not been invented what would the banks have had to do they might have had to decentralize or they might have to regionalize in some way in other words it might have been necessary to introduce a social invention not just a technical convention and this quote from me broadly passed as somebody that aims to make unmanageable tasks manageable I aim to make data cleaning and accessible to use large and disparate datasets to make inferences or determine some sort of meaning or signal I helping consolidate power by doing the job with maybe 30 lines and the psychic learn import by doing the job that perhaps would be very untenable take quite a long time or maybe even impossible MIT therefore helping consolidate this power my using technology to thwart social progress I don't know the answer to this but these are the types of questions I'd like to hear your feedback on moving on throughout history we
have all Johann doll and Christian I get they're essentially the fathers of object-oriented programming so we have them to think senior love 1 and Simula 67 the languages that they developed where a computer simulation languages they were used to simulate physics in a military laboratory and Christian I got here on the right was a staunch leftist activists throughout his entire life in fact he eventually identified as a socialist In his belief system he of course believed in supporting workers rights and so when he was approached by the Norwegian Iron and Metal Workers Union to help them build a system so that their jobs would not be automated away and instead they would learn computing skills he jumped at the opportunity and he was able to work with them and build what many people think is the 1st example of participatory design 1 which be active participants or users or workers are able to help make the design process and able to help us determine what this system looks like and he essentially helps them build and operations research type of scheduler and backlog organizer for the union he was also quite famous for walking away from military work in 1960 he quit his job at the Defense Research in Norway and took several of his teammates with him the he often joked that because of that he had been most funding requests rejections of any person in Norway the he gave a speech at the
IRIS conference which is a group of Scandinavian researchers that need and I'll read a slightly longer quote from a you need a self defense against yourself and the temptation is to choose a comfortable but wrong way out in critical situations but compromises may be necessary the greatest danger then is not the acceptance of the dubious compromise but in not being cynical and honest about it your mental processes will try to justify your actions to yourself making the compromise the desired solution and you would change yourself if you're not honest honesty but Doblin asked me to talk about the iron in middle project y many people don't know about it properly he said and some have forgotten those aspects that ought to disturb them as their environment pushes them slowly to the right perhaps I should ask some questions to those in the audience who believe that they have been influenced by the project and its successors has anyone resented the content of your work recently if not what is your excuse have you had any real conflict in your research activities lately or does such conflicts only belong to now romanticized glorious radical past where your recent research to any extent increase the power to influence their own feet for people with whom you feel solidarity he went on to quip that he's joking about it but I think the message remains clear if we're building systems tools algorithms and so forth for building these and actively work against our politics against our ethics against our morality however if you choose to make valuable decisions in your life if we do that why are we doing and if we choose instead to build tools and systems that we believe support our politics that we believe support are ethics and we distribute them can we be then of form of justice can be therefore spread instead of spreading but they something we don't believe in can we therefore become a way to spread something that we do believe in the or as he suggests are we just constantly perhaps making compromises in do we need to be very honest with ourselves about compromises that we are making Andrei Ershov is a prominent
figure in Soviet error Computer Science and Cybernetics he works of on numerous inventions along the same time working in parallel and often collaborating with several computer scientists in the United States and the UK the he's actually famous for like the writing the 1st optimizing compiler for a language that's more complex than for track he wrote this for the alpha language that he worked on and he was a really big proponent of education in fact he's probably the 1st computer scientist to talk about computer literacy the yes he built several schools during his time he appropriated funding for them and this for example is a photo of the USSR Academy of Sciences during a summer school for young programmers his belief in teaching and learning and mapping a important part of computer science is really espoused in his speech titled esthetics and the human factor in programming which he gave at the 1972 computer Conference in the United States all read the full
quote of which only a partition here in past ages the ability to read and write was considered a rare God-given talent get the destiny of a limited group of the specially chosen the In the present age of general literacy we perceive reading to be a universally attainable accomplishment but we tempted to single out a new elite group who become arbiters between the delay generality of mankind and the arcane informational model of the world hidden in the machine it is not however the highest esthetic idea of our profession to make the art of programming public property and thereby to submerge are elite exclusiveness within a macho man kind yeah indeed I feel like 1st of approaches these ethical problems slightly differently than some of his Western contemporaries his idea is not to do we hold some power that we should then further home for good or for evil his point is should we even hold this power at all should everyone learn to cope should everyone learn how the computer works literally on inside not just from the turn it on and off and if not does our own understanding of computers to their own ability to code does for example the data scientists in the room our understanding of statistics and machine learning models does this give us some special power or privilege and if it does give us a power or privilege army and elite so and what is what is being part of an elite mean doesn't mean we have a responsibility to mean that we have to do things differently moving on to the network in Iraq which is always fun right we all of the Internet and here you can see the employees at the B and which is bolt derelict and Newman at Cambridge Research and the BN won a contract with the Advanced Research Projects Agency otherwise known as and the project was to build the 1st computer network in the United States they're seen here in 1969 along with their interface messaging processor machine which is essentially the 1st router so and in case you don't know this is the same group that started to create the protocols the standards that we use in today's Internet there's a bunch of amazing engineers architects I could talk about this photo but I'm the focus on 2 of them the here in blue I have several ones time and in yellow I have Bob why just talk about the 2 of them well 1st and foremost because they went on to have longer careers and you quite a lot of work after Arpanet but secondly because they were very outspoken in their political and ethical beliefs and they went in quite different directions so I think it's perhaps a bit case study to explore the life of a computer scientist I will focus on Bob come
1st Bob Connor worked on networks and essentially networking protocol he along with Vincent surf was able to create their TCP and IP protocols and standards which are mainly unchanged today it's pretty amazing feat and he's essentially networking genius the he went on to build very large networks for the US military at DARPA and then after that he went to iden ti 0 which is the Information Processing Techniques Office yeah yeah then he heard about this new project brewing in japan called the 5th generation computer project and this idea was how can we create true AI thinking Machines how can we create these decision support systems that we might be able to use i bad times he then pitched the idea of the Strategic Computing Initiative of which this is 1 of the plants so for the Strategic Computing Initiative you have as you can see at the bottom of all the infrastructure these are the networks that Bob con loved this is something that he loves to work on he was able to get quite a lot of funding to just build networks and come up with new networking concepts on top of that they would then try to build some chips some different hardware designs and eventually working to natural language processing and speech and vision recognition and so forth on top of this technologies they would build a Thomas systems pilots associates and battle management and this is all too and a quote develop a broad base of machine intelligence technology to increase our national security and economic strength so what is this mean me when I 1st saw this diagram I said well perhaps about content even know about how they were to be used maybe ethically for him it just really wanted to work on networks I can understand and appreciate the the now I found a quote from around this area of and
it states the nation that dominates this information processing field will possess the keys to world leadership in the 21st century as they begin to read more of his writing during that time and writings of his peers at SCI for example Lynn Conway who is a prominent computer scientist in her own right it was clear that they were very well aware of how their programming will be used in fact it's rumored that the chart that we saw on the last slide that Bob con himself designed that pyramid the so it's clear that he knew he was building up but what I wonder is what is it means when we have to take military funding for let's say corporate funding corporations maybe we don't agree with to do our work does this make us ethically culpable in what greater process it's and if it does make is ethically culpable if something goes wrong with saying civilians are bond and so forth does that make you as the computer scientists or as do scientists on machine learning expert does it also mean that you are culpable and if you are culpable then who is going back to Bob
const peer several on something he was a co-worker again in appear at Arpanet and here we see him with more Gold who was a computer scientists and activists as well the Severus work at ARPA net was as its lead hardware expert so he built most of the hardware for the 1st router and also did some of the software programming the he later went on to join Xerox PARC and he worked on the Gerardo which was the fastest processor at the time and operating system so around the same time that Bob con was petitioning the government for millions of dollars to build weapons several unsigned and Laura gold were starting another initiative and this was for a group called Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility yeah this is 1 of the patches
that the Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility gave out at a joint AAAI conference most likely the 1 in Los Angeles in 1985 and some older folks in the room or perhaps some then you a little bit of Americana history and this is a play on a famous Cold War-era advertisement if you will it was a public service announcement that came on and it would say it's 11 PM do you know where your children are and its goal was to enforce a curfew and to make sure that all the young people were inside at nite in case of danger now display on it is it 11 PM to know what your expert system just in for and we see the telltale mushroom cloud of anatomical and these are the same expert systems that bong Bob Kahn himself was trying to build I mean they they never really came too much right at that time it was very quickly before what we all know now as AI Winter and these expert systems were never much more than large statistical models but the fear at that time was that they would be treated as experts is that if the system itself said OK we're under attack time to want to use that that is something that would actually happen and that a human would go about doing it based on this expert system as a matter of concern for CPS Automatic Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility now see PSR was around actually until 2013 and they gave out fairly regular words actually need to know about the you know come and highlighting people in the field who were working on social responsibility issues as computer professionals is a pretty amazing listed actually covered some of the people on the list but it goes on to talk about whistle-blowers and other people who really worked actively to act as an ethical ages but I think what we can really take away from CBS our or what I took away from CBS are is that it was starting this type of activist conversation amongst computer professionals it was asking what can we do as people who are concerned about the world that has people were concerned about social responsibility how can we help how can we be a part of change are part of something that we believe brings justice to the world they think that it's quite sad when you read about the history of CPS on that around the time of the personal computing revolution in the mid to late eighties and early nineties they saw their numbers dwindle and I think 1 of the problems of this is computing went from being a social experience in the computer lab working with your peers chatting probably a lot about these types of issues and theories it became a personal and alone experience this is also the time that is often tracked to the gender disparity within our field that's often tracked that advertisements for all the sudden the Deaver it's really cool for boys to have computers and so I feel like this was perhaps not intentionally but unfortunately 1 of the fatalities of that there was this conversation about Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility but see
PSR was not the only ones fighting for more professionalism in the field or fighting for us be having these conversations you might know of Karen Sparck Jones she's quite payments mom cheeses statistical she's a statistician as well as the natural language processing expert and she worked at the Cambridge Language Research Unit on a variety of NLP research primarily her 1st forays I guess our into looking at inferring meaning from 2 sorry definitions in text you might also heard of TF IDF term frequency inverse document frequency is a popular way to extract important words or phrases from the text when you have a larger corpus she wrote the paper that defined the IDS portion of the equation so spree important when it comes to natural language processing but that's not her only contribution Spark Jones was an
outspoken critic of the gender disparities within our field she also was quite a critic of not having some sort of professional hope if she thought that the growing importance of computers in people's lives meant that we had more and more influence and she was concerned that we didn't have any type of licensing for review that we don't necessarily have any standards for our own code our own actions all again read a slightly longer quote I certainly think that professionalism is very important to be a proper professional you need to think about the context and motivation and justification of what you're doing you don't need a fundamental philosophical discussions every time you put your finger on the keyboard but as computing is spreading so far into people's lives you need to think about these things I've always felt that once you see how important computing is for life you can't just leave it as a blank box and assume that somebody reasonably competent and relatively benign would do something right with quote again invokes this idea who is responsible if I build a program or a script or build a model that does something unethical or that can be used unethically and responsible for when somebody does that if I'm not responsible for its as especially machine learning and numerous other fields that we working as a touch more more alliances as the used even by legal and experts or by the police or by state intelligence or by doctors are we not also beholden to the same licenses the same ethics that these fields half now I'm not necessarily saying we need to have a licensing or we need to have a particular code but if we have no standards if we have no way to review 1 another's work and to think about whether were falling and ethical principles or whether were helping or hurting lines then we don't even have a starting place for these conversations on professionals if we're not willing to take on the burden of thinking about these things then does the burden actually go away or are we just ignoring finally we reach
some of the outspoken leaders of today's AI in today's this is joint a Bryson she is a professor of computer scientists or see professor of computer science who speaks on AI and Natural Intelligence at the University of Bath and she's been working on the field of AI epic since the nineties she is a prolific writer and she's publish all the time but and she has a paper over this past year on the affix of looking at word vectors and different gender disparity within them but she also has some older works for example her paper just another artifact epochs and the empirical experience of AI articulates this problem of humans over identifying with artificial intelligence she essentially says that instead of treating it like a book or a reference we treat AI as a human actor as another intelligent human being with reason and common sense and so forth and she states that this is quite dangerous if we start treating AI as more expert than ourselves if we start treating it as the sole singular expert in the room then what happens when it makes a mistake so she didn't quite outspoken on
missions the on 1 of a longer process she articulate some of her well opinions on how we use the I'll read again from a longer quote as we Inacomp computational computer social sciences learn more and more of our models of human behavior get better and better as our models improve we need less and less data about any particular individual approach to predict what they're going to do so just practicing good data heightened is not enough even if that was a skill that we could teach everyone my professional opinion is that there's no going back on its but that isn't to say that society is to think of it this way we all know that the police the military even thus far neighbors could get into our house if they wanted to but we don't expect them to do that and generally speaking if anyone does get into our house we're able to prosecute them legally and claim any damages back from insurance I think our personal data should be like our house 1st of all we should be seen as selling our own data just leasing it for a particular purpose this is the model offer companies are used for their products and we should just apply the same legal reasoning to humans then if we have any reason to suspect data has been used in a way we didn't approve we should be able to prosecute that is the applications of our data should be subject to regulations that protect ordinary citizens from the intrusions of governments corporations and even friends at the which prices asking of others here is to actually better than current laws now we can get into some debates about the new EU privacy regulations and the fact that yes indeed it has some ways that I can control my own personal data and I can request information about how my data is used but there are clearly not global and they have yet to be determined in the courts how they'll be enforced which she's asking us to do is to treat people's data like the properties would you buy and sell another person's property without them knowing it and if not why do we do this with customer data which you collect pieces of another person's property without properly informing them in plain english so that they can understand what the green to and if not why do we do it in our terms and conditions and a particular concern of mine regarding security would you take your friends laptop or computer or books or whatever it is that they have and would you leave it on a public table outside for everybody to walk by and perhaps look at and if not then why are you leaving your databases with protected information on the models with protected information on the public Internet debating ethics at work is
nothing new my great-grandmother was a pretty amazing woman here's her Her name is i down until the rich her on the left is her growing up in New York City and she's to tell me really fun stories in the twenties and thirties of growing up in New York City and her on the right is her with a very young version of the now Modell as they used to call her was amazing she has a lot of good memories I have in my mind but the reason why I bring her out is the fact that she worked as a secretary on the Manhattan project the Manhattan project the project in case you don't know the code words for the nuclear bomb in the United States and she worked as a secretary she me fun stories that she did something important for the war and that she had burden notebooks and so forth and I just thought it was a fun story until I get old she died when I was a child so I was never able to have these types of conversations with her by I did talk with my mother who I know had several conversations and she said that Dell at 1st to know exactly which is working on but slowly put the pieces together over time then of course when the bombs were dropped she's quite aware and I asked my on due to shiver regretted to share the Stamford nite wondering if what she did was right or wrong and my mom said that she thought that Modell felt like many of her generation that she was helping the good guys and that any deaths that were created by the atomic bombs dropped were just small casualties in a larger war I wonder if I could go back and ask her if we could have and longer conversations about this but it also makes me wonder if my own privilege now something that she worked so hard to do if you were to help make sure family could survive the the war in the great depression and she made it so that my mom could be the first one to go to college and I'm I'm going to college meant that I was able to get a computer and that I was able to go person person computer science so maybe his wrong of me to question something like that perhaps she was not in a position to make a decision between ethics and feeding her family and perhaps it is rather ignorant of need to even ask that question but I also wonder if it is not a right for all of us to have rewarding work that's both challenging mentally financially rewarding and also ethically something that we can support so I
challenge us as a community as these scientists web developers if you work on my group icon for Python Ji found whatever it is that you do Internet of Things I challenge us to start having these possibly more difficult conversations I challenge us to start thinking about who is responsible and how we can hold 1 another accountable now you might not work on anything that touches ethics but perhaps if you or perhaps a co-worker does or a friend or colleague or somebody you need at this conference perhaps a future you or passed you I know in my career I've been definitely acid you unethical things and I've been asked to lie to make charts look different to make the data look different for the greater good right for extra funding for whatever it is that the goal of the company or the product it's so I've had to have some of my own medical decisions I think that hopefully what we've heard today and what we've shared today can start to be a ground for a communal conversation I note that in a community like this 1 we have values for example I feel like as a Python community we value diversity I feel that we value free software and open source and I'm very proud of that I also feel welcome and supported today just the same as my 1st Python Conference in 2010 so we have this shared beliefs in the shared values already but perhaps we don't have a larger understanding of how they relate to ethics in computing as a whole or how they could inform a communal ethnic or communal principles codes of conduct ideas that we share with 1 another and conversations that we have openly the now it may not be that we come to some communal agreement but just the idea of sharing our stories openly sharing stories like these from around the world openly that tell us a little bit about the history the ideas in these deep questions and dilemmas that we have perhaps that is a way to stop being a better force in the world we data scientists programmers Python uses computer and software engineers we do have this cultural and ethical history I hope that it shown this is only just a few of what I was able to find in my research it I want us to share these stories and I want to hear your stories and have you share your stories as well these ethical dilemmas that we face and the decisions that we make around them and I truly truly believe that in doing so we are more than 1 we have these conversations together we're actually contributing to a greater good perhaps by having all of these conversations and working together we can make sure that AI machine learning in natural language processing and Python have the bright future injustice and step that's something that we can be really proud of and I know that I wanna be a part of that and I hope that you need to think he so much for being here and I hope to continue this conversation throughout the conference thank
you for being maybe you don't and know whatever was required because there's a lot of thinking going on and what we have time for questions so let's 1st of all the 2nd half of the and this is the we way in and the owner of the you know we we we we all yeah up here so I we allows us to cooperate with power so what do you think about this the yes I definitely think some our shared some folks today throughout history and there was a few that a little bit on this but if you like this is deftly something more of our generation are error the idea of using kind some of this technology to subvert the norm right to actually actively work against corporate influence on our life or government influence our lives so I think that there's a lot of ways that technology can be used to kind of actively work against some of these ideas I completely agree and I think that that's a really important conversation that unforeseen didn't quite fit in in this talk but I think that's really important to share and think about and this is kind of this idea of creating technologies that actively support will be the and then as we spread them in the world that that hopefully makes more things possible again look at at teams like the signal team and what they're working on I think it's really great on this and there's an amazing work out there and perhaps you work on those things as well and these are really interesting conversations the in things that we should also be highlighting right thank you I do the mating pool of like to ask a question about political politicization specially if you see difference between a without what we have probably we use machine learning revolution in some sense and something like industrial lutional without the main Shiite goes and advantages they see all those other things about and that is that in fact it is developed for people from poor the you know it was not a great in some sense that was the main advantage wonderful we see playing folk about no optimization machine it does also human side which was in helping people with the field there is some differences between what will happen at the Idiap and why this should re some different question regarding at the says I a question exactly is about how the computer revolution is different than revolutions before it or and sigh more the question is how thing that the early this is yeah different in some sense what's the what we should think about this is just a localization on a larger scale you know or something he noted the difference yeah I wonder about that because some that clearly the Industrial Revolution was an ad another previous revolutions for example the printing press and so forth created their own ethics and their own issues what I wonder about with computers is like as we've seen with Moore's law and also with the new post AI Winter on we're seeing like quite a lot of progress on in a short amount of time I don't know if that's the same amount of progress and I obviously was alive them and I'm no expert on previous resolutions on mining expert on this resolution so on I don't exactly know but I wonder if the peace and perhaps the expanse is slightly more impactful now that may be because of the internet and because of the advances everything in computing perhaps we have like a more quick impact on people's lives I don't know if this is true but sometimes I think that perhaps this might be the case that I would be curious to hear more of your thoughts on the topic as well yeah the great dog regret those thinking about thinking about the article what we do on the basis really important but might consider small for that the people with that investigating the apples and that's part of many many years ago they get annoyed if you lead to that to the MAC protocol so you can any advice how we can try to predict the future implications of our work and how they can that it could result in 50 or can just from now this is something where if I have an answer for you know I would be telling it to the world from the rooftops and I don't know I think perhaps we need to I I I echo that concern I don't know what things that I 0 I work on today in things that people much brighter than me work on today I have no idea what large impact this will have on the world a decade from now even 5 or 10 decades from now so but I'd I do think we should be thinking about it and I think that I I was heartened to when I was reading in doing research for this at some of these people were trying to project and think about what this could do in the future now a lot of the times what they were pretty far off but I think that it doesn't hurt to start the conversation now and to work together to perhaps see what this might mean in 10 50 years and for example how we can protect against things that we're fearful of and also support the ideas that we think would be really great things that we can do the technology I think it follows the news alone I think at least from my point of view it's pretty obvious that of automation supports trend that will continue and will probably worsen any social disparities that we have now and do you have any ideas on where to start a conversation about how technology is can hello and messages instead of the cost of the state of the origin yes so I think that um as I was thinking about this and when I found the computer for Professionals for Social Responsibility now there are some groups are working on these types of things there's like fairness accountability and transparency Machine Learning Group and conference there's some other ones are trying to start these conversations about how we can consciously how we can be socially conscious actors when we do automation I think that this is the thing to have a group around or conference around or ideas around and I am no expert I'm just some person like you who is concerned and I think that the more that we are able to share our ideas I think that honestly collectively we're much more smart than any of us individually and perhaps by having these types of debates openly we can figure out maybe some thoughtful ways that we can automate so that perhaps the impact is lessened am I also agree automation is definitely not going go anywhere and there is going to stop on meeting because of a keynote or because somebody has concerns so I think that that having these conversations and collectively coming up with some good solutions or some good ideas is most likely the most powerful thing that we can do we have free more questions and if you promise to keep them short I'm going to take but I think probably since such an interesting part of the subject of would you be willing to open space for that Don searches so basically arm if you know although no open spaces here we have a lot of room there you can just joined the and make up your own so and there's a yeah that was on so there's a whiteboard downstairs you can use it so we're going to do a lot with open space for his on and I'm going to tweet also about it because I think we are interested and this like 3 more actual questions now that could occur just cited as 1 of the possible but group size self-organization I see them as clears example what to say when you have the logic advanced without social of that's because basically we have 2 more all oil because it was not way of proof of work to to this because it's so the using this is related to some more intrinsic characteristic of computer Sciences of his disbelief not just current democratic institutions but in democratic processes in general which makes it difficult maybe have even just discussed because their pointless we will not have the yes it has like that the anonymity that a computer allows here that the Internet allows mean does it break down these sets of conversations yet more not less restaurant compared to the idea the democracy can help us out social the advances yeah I mean this is a massive debate and something that I thought about including but I just didn't have time to include like for example these people that believe that we should have parts of the Internet where you have to be yourself right am allowing us to have let's say like they use the internet as a system of political or social trust right and then you also then have governments using that to actively persecuted activist and using the same like get can publicly identify you or I can easily D on mice you amongst the data so I can actively persecute you and this is this like I think the more that we create systems that we can use for perhaps creating these types of public public conversations where I can represent myself and on a global stage and be an identifiable actor is also a problem and I had this is nothing new right this is something that since with before the internet but it means that perhaps yeah in some cases and optimization in the set of things are necessary to protect people but I think it's so really interesting debate and there is a few people that I wanted to include that are having this debate openly about the democracy and so forth and I think that it's fascinating and it's something that now hopefully we 1 day can can trust let's say international institutions to help support people if they come forward publicly and they identify themselves and they speak of atrocities and country or so for some students and that they perhaps then are supported globally and have protections globally and just on Milford area in which OK last question OK so my question was to be based on what is the rate of home that it come there you find something that's just should use the on that that connects the discover anything thing was really not doing it was supposed to do I got the point where they just getting everyone that have been some that's incredibly knowledge that is commonly used by the use of information that's not really for the public but if you keep on doing what you're doing to compromise of any more shaky ground the of your which yeah so I think the protections for whistleblowers computing with Internet and the size of things they that we have to really involve conversation that being a whistle for something like a massive multinational corporation or massive multinational state intelligence agency that these are things where you then go like how who's this to protect you right and I think that this is particularly dangerous within our field like if I worked for a massive multinational corporation and I knew that we were doing something wrong what what am I supposed to do if I come forward will most likely be fired their polity as a target of everything against many make me out to be 1 an 88 uh an unethical human and so forth and if we as a community have more ways that we treat whistle-blowers and more ways that we protect whistleblowers maybe people would feel more comfortable right because I also agree that worries the subdued 1 and in some of the stories of all put be publishing a little bit more about this not be putting some stories on my blog of some of the folks in what they did but for example there's a man called David partners and she was on a computer scientists and worked in Canada for the US Department of Defense along with a few other multinational defense agencies and he were to be public resignation resignation letter and he sent it all around everywhere you can think of this as the days of the mailing lists not particularly public Internet and he publicly said this is unethical everything that's happening in this organization is not something I believe and I refuse to work here and I don't know why might choose continue to do so and I think that we can look at some of these references in history to perhaps think about how we can make some of the same statements but that also we have to figure out how to protect 1 another when 1 another's willing to step forward and do that OK thanks for this again for the the main thing we now
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Titel If Ethics is not None
Serientitel EuroPython 2017
Autor Jarmul, Katharine
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DOI 10.5446/33732
Herausgeber EuroPython
Erscheinungsjahr 2017
Sprache Englisch

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Fachgebiet Informatik
Abstract If Ethics is not None [EuroPython 2017 - Keynote - 2017-07-12 - Anfiteatro 2] [Rimini, Italy] The history of computing, as it's often covered in textbooks or talks, remains primarily focused on a series of hardware advancements, architectures, operating systems and software. In this talk, we will instead explore the history of ethics in computing, touching on the early days of computers in warfare and science, leading up to ethical issues today such as Artificial Intelligence and privacy regulation

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