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welcome and pay my friends here so let me introduce myself briefly and mining and I have been working with their culture activism intact might excuse for a while in Brazil now living here for a while and then and think last year together with some friends open up an incident the name is he spoke a moment of and it becomes meaningless an end and and since the beginning when we created the Institute we have been thinking in but as a mean to be an organization nowadays than who have seen a lot of things happening especially speaking from my part of the world scenes and some years now you is an
on chaos and and and 2013 and in a few maybe remember the left wing the streets and and by that time realize that didn't have we need new institutions and not only political but also and deal with an an mediations different kinds of mediations
so we open up this incident that and and I would say this to promote it in of the common goods difficult turns it is innovation and since the beginning we are seeking to achieve an instance the standardization model that can be considered as appropriate would only have the answers that we have a lot of questions to share and 1 thing that we have seen so I promise is the product
from the civilians of the words to be reinvented the I being we be I believe that they are being with fitting is on slope and um we have been working with a lot of prior partners also from Latin America kind even made cap with this concept of institutions and xt sons and there's not so much about it in Portuguese but and and 1 of find which is a Spanish intellectual a researcher he talk a lot about peer-to-peer and comments he talks about a lot of these that and in for call and the philosophers but they're mostly elite speaks about energies and the idea that the group that there that that that technology brought in real terms and then at the class of information that should Internet let to by arrangements so and that can I would exist before and not confirmed stable models so we are trying to understand in our organization what is inside and what is outside how can we be more flexible and dynamic and at the same time to you can be sustainable and and term so we take this
experiment have as the methodology so we work with labs so we have
this and lab incentives which
is in the bay area which is a space for free quotas innovation and where articles on science of regrets was perspective that happened we the centralized there but others and she's there which is like an 7 cities and they area 1 hour from from power and we also
have this Aug . plant which is like a pool for organizations that gather together
every month to discuss about all these things which because in here as well so what what's to be the new forms of organization so I was just that just and we can serve because an I have here we have here 3 experimental models people that have been work with this this for a long time now with differing there remains something of them really possibly on some of them and that behind but I'm sure you have a lot of fairly new questions ring so while was passed Salalah cargo
cool i've met my 1st preference mean really and SUN supermarkets and with if you know what that's really nice space that's no right match and downlink is also only there and a half the city of Molina's sources that it has a bit about his experience in peace welcome thank you thanks for the
invitation and I'm really glad to be here to participate in the panel can you give me that I OK wonderful yeah as such said my name is in a cargo and cofounder of supermarket and so what we mostly do is to our engage with topics such as alternative economies the commons and collaborative work practices I would say so are we run community meetups at supermarket be
organize workshops and events and for instance we have our workshop coming up on Friday but that is about post minuto ps and how free world might function and and today I I I would like to talk a little bit about the commons and also all rights to the to the commons and also I would like to remind us that the commons is actually something we need to take care for and not
just look at it as an photopia from former times so also I think we do have a shared
responsibility to protect all commons ends up we need to educate ourselves and the people around us about the commons yeah yeah a set some some might think you know this idea that there is something out there that belongs to everybody that is actually a common good is I mean how can that function and especially in today's time where mainly everything now it tends to become privatized how can that work is this just an atoll PM I but despite all these thinking I think no it's not because of if you look back in the history of mankind the idea of the commons is actually something that is ingrained in our common history and especially in the not so far away past if you look at a city like Boston for instance but
there was a public space called the commons where people could graze their animals all planned fruits or go for fishing if there would be a lake so this whole idea that there is a part of land was mostly land actually that is for free use for everyone is is not an antelope young as a
set it's it was there and it's actually an integral part of our life the a so if we ask ourselves why we're sitting here today and discussing that the comments again so what what actually happened and why is it so important for us today to really read apropriate this this whole idea as something that belongs to us I think there are a number of reasons and it's totally not
possible to pin it all down to about maybe 2 or 3 but if we might look at around the 18th century with the rise of the Agricultural Revolution the ongoing industrialization and also the rise of colonization all of that led to an ongoing enclosure of public property that gradually got privatized the more and and if you if you reach are some research
about the common there is a really interesting essay by Vandana Shiva she's in India researcher end she says that in her as the enclosure of the commons she she says that that actually the the enclosure of the land was only the starting point for today we are experiencing an enclosure of knowledge of social justice and also of biodiversity the so the question is we we can do better
country because I guess out it is part of human life to really want to do something together but then again there is some also interesting research around the topic and if we look at for instance are what Garrett Hardin published in 1968 his essay about the tragedy of the commons is all the ballots are a dynamo that occurs if people with only the best intentions get together and really want to do something good for everyone and want to use maybe our are a commoner land that
there's still driven by the self interest and it's almost inevitably that at some point of what is going to happen that's that this this natural resources will be depleted even though everyone knows that it's not for the best interests of everyone involved but he argues in his research that is happening and so we can't avoid it so I mean that's very negative perspective I would say but it's just I just wanna
share this in its and it's going on around the internet you probably know it and it's in case you can't read it it's it's this traffic jam and you see all these people in the car and everyone is thinking the same it's like it's if these idiots would just take the bus I could be home by now so we are all part of the of of
of a shared organisms or of a situation that we all help to bring about better maybe there's is lack of understanding that there is a shared responsibility it's not only us and we expect action from the people outside but there is something like a shared responsibility and maybe our of now hope we can talk about that today i it's it's about relearning what the strategies can be and the question is
if we if we look at if we look at this inputs other common sexually doomed is this something that be we can't really do better I mean and I've been looking lately lots into the work of any or strong as she sat on a political scientist and also noble prize winner and she's
maybe 1 of the people that on the uh that's that worked mainly on the commons throughout her life and what I really whatever you find interesting about her is that she seeking a way of administering all on Governing the Commons in a way that is really inclusive so she really calls everyone into action and a especially like this sentence are that's for her it's absolutely our normal that the best that that's actually that the people that can solve problems are the people that are living in the situation that I living on the spot and it's not so much about having bureaucrats and some politicians to take care of them but maybe finding a way to rather collaborating and not being
administered by by others but she also really encourages us to take a fresh perspective into these domains that are usually separated the markets the government policies and also collective action and she's constantly asking myself how can we how can we think this as a whole and how we can how we can now bring the separated domains together the the so that
she is proposed a principles for managing the commons and maybe we can come back to that so it's before and I'm not going through each of them but but she's proposing is that's what it's all about setting up rules it's all the ballots in involving different stakeholders so she really favors polycentric approaches that's our include different people from different positions and interests and so she she proposes some some really feasible are on solutions a lot of
them varied accessible low cost and very much centered towards the people and the way they think and act and finally
I I think it's impossible today to discuss the comments are
outside of the digital realm because no matter if we take care of a common land or any other natural resource everything we do has a direct implication on intellectual property rights on the control about information flow on the way the magnet data all the way our data is being managed and the and all of that so that is another perspective I hope we can also look into our discussions so that's it from the thanks no thank so really nice and the quick comment so when it's every like that how the commons there's something really important when talking about
it so in Austin bananas Cervantes and to the affinity so I really recommend to the meet the woman and down I think there's 2 things about what ls brought is 1 thing is how can we be how can we be prepared to relate with but the quality the public the policy and policy makers in this perspective because like from our experience in meaning that in the instances warier now we have been trying to we we made like 15 meetings meaning with them and all the time we went we actually we we weren't asking anything which has were offering just saying what we were doing look at what's happening and they don't really know how to react to it because it's we add on that infrastructures like a white elephant taking this is something we need to think are also how can we change and they infrastructure the juridical regretted 1 and I I can tell because I have been to the other side was also government 1 time 1 thing my life in the past so I know it's really hard to react and how to deal with the common it's there we tend to do everything is public and state and then everything you can be regretted and the other thing is about the digital commons I think and we really needs to take action because it's not out of that's happening right now and it's on our hands so I think it's different to think all members of the just so everybody should leave in the you know the receiver by there's no we we we can take action on now it's happening in I think it's the practical and concrete so now we go to all the have the waste who is
also from review like sticking them he what years so you can always and working and thought of thinks he's he's a development and his research and in he he's also part of his uh Afro-Brazilian religion which is can the lack and uh which is a really really great and that he tell the also about all this mix of things that he's dealing with the
that good morning think several uh which thank you very much for your presentation because uh know I am show that it's not new so we we we are not able to do to you organizations for the calls all to establish a new concepts for the calls because those organizations and course at their own days been traveling with full 10 cows in use in maybe for the last I don't know 1 thousand we're trying to lose the deaths so I think so much more I looking to the past the to disk although what are the new forms of relations and and maybe this is the example a just like
Georgia and told them and which software developer but I would folks small my religion now that he's a kind of analysts collision that came from the yield of balanced during the slavery period in Brazil uh that comprehends Nigeria bringing
will go under the spots and it's basically moving celebrating the powers of energy the images of the nature so this is really show it but it did was establishing 18 closely chew and it's being prohibited and tuning in 1954 it was illegal to be part of this region Brazil but at the same time those societies that flow managed by the old woman it's electron call religion took part took care of blues Pneumatology and these institutions through all the years even though it was a crime and even though it was legal it's very based on community leaving sharing resources sharing forms liberating energies and things like this so what I think is really special uh is that we are basically in development and we have basically
in Falls and most of the re toes are the same single often many religions is the ritual true feed yourself and
to feudal brothers and sisters and soils and whatever and this is good about your presentation the piece of land that was for the call was a piece of land that used to grow food because this is the main ritual of life to produce food goddess and for yourself so we have a so each issues to
establish a new concept of life all new calls of all 4 organizations this older than association should do what it has been doing during all this time that is to take care of each other and to take care of each other is to feed each other or with the formation which formed which laws which whatever and maybe your question and the cost is less
immigration is that I want to play to re-establish old relationships again I read prepared to grow food together with stephen I would prefer the can yeah 1 minute thus far fewer
so now we're going to I love the hell are you all going new kinds of intensity as and you for that and then and so now this Stephen Colbert who has also new allow collaborate and still has and will hitting wouldn't Kosovo while and now he has their wrote agency in and he is a lot of work in South Sudan in other countries so these different you thank you very much Georgia and also thank you for the
invitation of much all of us already part of a kind of a comments were all members of the the Global Innovation gathering which is a network of about 180 people who are working very hard on sharing knowledge and resources and and the work that I'm showing that today very briefly and relies on that whole not on that very simple concept of necessity to to share knowledge from in your introduction you mentioned the connection to to civil society and in the in the scenarios that were working in the this image here is an insult sedan in in Juba the capital and we're trying to build or to support the building of organizations there are actually being developed to create civil society structures so South Sudan
as we hear a lot of bad news coming from there and there is very little good news and from there but there are people and who are working really hard trying to create civil society structures and none of this is possible but without the ability to and to share your knowledge to share your resources and and to basically institutionalized some kind of idea of comments because the compartment was lization is also part of the conflict small tribes small militias small political identities who are constantly in conflict with with 1 another so this particular organization here's culturally habits that's the the Dubai Open Knowledge and Innovation Hub
it started up about 2 years ago and it has very little outside support and it relies entirely on but basically the tips of the intellectual strength of young people come together with the shared vision scope uh by
don't have the little clicky thing it say yeah um and it just enough so I pressed forward by me right and so 1 of the books that that given my hand is manageable and 1 of 1 of the things that we developed with this J have
group but last year and was this thing called the Open Learning guide so subsidize on the people are learning what is i to how to get online it's all complicated it's very difficult but very few resources so that we make this thing just a poster very very simple and thing that collected the whole range of them open source of open knowledge resources that these people been working with a but they can't necessary just put the stuff online it's OK follow this link because half the time most more than half the time they're not online
so they decide if you want to make a poster at it this poster is now kind of all over the place and so on and other places where people are learning about IT and stuff like that but it's just a very simple thing and that can move around from and and share information and knowledge from where we sometimes sort of take advantage of this thing the idea that what we can easily get the stuff online it's all online resources but somehow you have to figure out what they are and where they are so very simple mechanism of knowledge sharing that works really well there and then we that around the inside and this organization got together in what's printed augments and when they hear greater thing called the peace hack can but
basically bringing peace builders activists I'm so society people together and in event and so this global
innovation gathering groups provided and the workshop leaders saw a bunch of people from the East African region that came to Dubai to run
and workshops for this group and again it's very simple straightforward notion but you have to have sort of like I guess the and the cultural understanding that this is just a straightforward thing in this somehow it's not always clear
that 1 can just step forward and say
yeah I will run a workshop in a crazy place like um and you but I'm just to support these guys coming along and and do that maybe without any kind of the think because I got my regular work I can share my knowledge and go
there and and do that um with them and and they uh with this piece hat that community in Juba is able to extend their reach into a much much larger and network into into Africa and some other
Members also here at public from 1 of the young people who who is here objects under use member of that community in Juba he went back to his hometown in year a set up the Community Development Center also small invasion of 2 months later was run over by the the military was destroyed he was thrown into jail he's on the run know um and as a refugee in um in
Uganda and dates kind of gone line but they've gone back was there the activities by Facebook and of set
up this thing now called the peace village so um he came to Uganda kind of with 1 of these things in his pocket so this little poster from which came out of a knowledge-sharing initiative in the country got kicked out of is now being used as the basic basis for trainings of other young people in this refugee camp and in Uganda and um so that's kind of a very practical over a cool kind of way to share your
show you share your knowledge so and I
just want to give out a slope of a practical example of how that kind of thing to work really complicated scenarios is also some information here if you guys want to take some time to get some background checks thank you few so I have a lot of questions that I think we could just open mainly for discussion 1st and then we can talk together so all is this an American make a question no no it's only with morning behind you want to understand better what is supermarket Our here and the so a it's both a physical space and the platform so existing this inside 6 years now and I we are a group of
people that just that have a great interest that Satan in the common and in digital culture I tentative economies and we constantly invites thinkers and makers that deal with this topic so come to our space to give presentations and to invite others that are also interested in in sharing this ideas every now and then we also do some research like we have for instance created a feasibility study on the collaborative economy here in Berlin and we do all sorts of events and that working things the
I think great presentation guys as so my question is for paddle and very interesting about that would religion and my friends and I were
discussing in Kenya there that day and was saying that is old people really have a lot of knowledge and they intermediate and made the city and we rarely have time to consult them so this knowledge is sort of just going to die with them and that's very sad so zoning in your case in Brazil is that efforts to documented this knowledge of what is really just yes uh
nice intended when servicing point for example we have many of this beautiful forces of nature we call the shot so let's call it soda shall be sepal to disclose that we have some audacious in some traditions foragers that is not contrary to the
African law that we keep coach waiting resu so and the documentation and to you I would say you into the seventies almost everything was oral tradition and was keep into the house and it's very article system with the the the woman top and the scenes uh but is very into the world modality in in from this seeks to middle of the seeks to the seventies is started accommodation of the music of course so you will have some good albums from dispute that documented the songs and the song seems the traditional of the euro by so in a way you will do common we we haven't at 100 % of the rituals of of single neural bar so we have these these 2 documented processing music and didn't know before the last 15 years now 10 years with some incentives of initial fusion because you during do do the beginning of 2 thousand you better huge administration listings and you go see many houses document that crosses into web logs and peak shows a lot of the shows and uh in my house for example we we call to enter the then the of technology so it's quite easy follows we have a arrayed you we have your uh we develop a game for children with to the metrology would have sold weblogs we develop prose so In the last 15 years I would say that people realize the importance to documented their usage and you what I think is most important thing is that people were documented beaten by themselves and this is what is great you have some universities have but most of the documentation process of being made by the by the population thank you thank you thank you for this inspiring presentations
from the beginning Georgia state so we questions which I would like to get some more concrete tool but what is inside what is or side why I would it's a whole to communicate successfully Deans fight and 2 with the outside can be be
flexible and dynamic but also sustainable and long-term and what did the the new forms of organization but really more concretely hands on and what I would at the questions how would you manage to make it economically sustainable do you have some
experience so ideally I would love to get like the handbook of commons-based organizations Is there something like this novel ways to do it thinking never really nice think if I give you back the questions so I think I'll just start but then we can only and on all of us who was also wanted to hear you knew that and so what we are doing and that these station I mean the people that are working with me we all have different kinds of organizations so we have been part of collective self-governance anarchists and I have also been
part of the government kind and so now we them Canada part of the being and that with the land and it's interesting because with the lab that we have because it's centralized we create like a problem for us because now we have this whole network of people doing really nice there from like science and by creating and so there and focus of it's so he did like really cheap for the villages of things just people and so we're we're creating a product but as prototypes of science innovation but also article 2 traditions so now we have this complex network and then and we now look at them and say what should we do with that now we went to war with the inside and outside of the organization why we I we everybody how the week so and end there what is doing now is really being really transparent and an making the most of the information flow so I think it's also something about access to knowledge and a suspension also an understanding that it's a process you know that that we should experiment and they think that they let their lab context is a nice convex of breaking experiments and and and we we have a grant from the International phonation so for information and that we talk a lot about with our bread maker and West Alex and about how can we also generate other justices about effect measurement that is not only an tangible ones but that can also serve for higher as a part of nothing that Morgan when someone in the anything think I mean but how can we are measured common generated so this is where we are now so you know was maybe parents yeah since you just asked
about the economic perspective which I I think is as equally important as the governance of prospective because things can only work if you think
all these domains together is also try to introduce a little bit with any nostrils work I think she has some really good input especially for those questions that you asked and I think it's interesting to look at uh the rising movement of the platform cooperative and that it's now really going on all over the world and so what does it mean so that it it this platform cooperative is the movement is mainly a counter-movement to what's going on in terms of platform capitalism so that we have we have these huge enterprises that dominate the markets and extracting data from everyone etc. etc. and we are helping these organizations to grow bigger and bigger by by adding our or owned and fade out by giving away our rights so platform cooperative isn't the whole idea is that people get together that they are on for instance created an eternity if 2 were that's a great deal when driving service which is organized around the software when everyone has access to the profit goes to everyone because everyone owns owns the organization end of the everyone basically has the rights of democratically controlling what is going on because there is an old 1 then only owner there's a shared ownership structure and of course the use of these organizations try to implement new forms of governance as well they still do have a lot of problems because not everything is solved
like all the questions you ask it's fair enough to us that and we need we really need to challenge ourselves with regards to these questions but also have the feeling that especially those platform corpse they are slowly growing into the answers just by trying and testing and learning and iterating the model on and on and on and if you look at home many local initiatives are now coming up in many different cities all over the world that challenging that platform capitalistic approach of every be for instance if you look at fair being being Amsterdam it's a whole new model where the CD and so our people that's rent out their apartments and the organizers try to create a model that benefits value for everyone and not just those and the enterprise itself so I believe that there's a lot going on which is really need to see what is happening where and how can you really capture all the learnings that are taking place right now and again educating people that there are alternatives out there I just want to add to that the that's the question but the inside and outside is probably 1 of the greatest challenges things to a lot of these organizations like defining who is everybody right when you say you know everyone can do this in the view that um for sure in these
organizations that were doing was and they always struggle with well who who belongs the j how community and the key tries will you know everybody but of course there's an automatic barrier and hierarchy of Internet have to jump over that but is something that the people what's on the inside and on the outside of costly trying to get their heads and it does of course have to do with is we know the more transparent the more open the more inclusive your events are the more you can you can build that the community but it's it's definitely a struggle moment that that struggle I think is 1 that's 1 the sustainability starts to work um in all the in all the initiatives that I've been involved in but it's those ones that are restricting um this this inside approach the more the the least um sustainable assumes get over that and really understand and the potential of the broader community the people you don't know of and then the sustainability starts to the function thanks for the question when
add I was thinking about or how can it as to these if this year's we
are all maybe we aren't as fragile as we as we are not so into this community that I would say so it's a 18 years process 1 to tell you now 18 is not that much but it's not feel we are up its upper age so uh I would say that is around to people into this community we have we have a band that plays into playing but only in June of Centrelink core could you'll be the it's nice it's it's less that a we have a restaurant and it's not a chronological process we have a restaurant that walks on the weekends which traditional food for all the religion that is very well know it and pursue this this kind of food and we have the radio but it's not a commercial radio so it doesn't count we educated are shielded and we have the schools for the children from the neighborhood a we have around 70 thousand square meters of land now that we grow fruits especially fruits many kinds of foods especially the ones that we need most into and 2 mangoes and 6 thousand kilometers of full of of fruits will now started to harvest water to start to grow vegetables that is more difficult than normal fruits fruits quite easy we're starting to think about animals OK we need to have some chickens to have sites to have some gold that we started thinking all solar panels because renewed some robotic stuff to make things easier so I don't know if we we got all we would warrants but we trying because we're trying to produce food and make this makes a hole in the fence you you adjust his later because you need to eat them the thank you to and it may be
1 common for challenge to you particularly but to all the initiatives full have so long term experience in managing common oriented projects that the terribly useful for other people start to engage in such initiatives should not have the same a mode of experience to hand them over something which makes it easier to get started um so something
like that little Ostrom data as a lifelong project in understanding what other the principles of the commons and no you can reduce principles and yes that's kind
of easy to understand to get into war and something like that for the more also practical pragmatic road
issues as much as the discourse behind a would be the dream project I have for me I think you yeah and and maybe just said to that that is it's actually it's really and it's a very
relevant thing I think there's a lot going on that is not labeled as commons but still belongs integrity to the commons like the digital rights movement is something that relates directly to the commons because it is
about on natural right to inhabit space where we can express ourselves where we can I just exists not by being on a consumer but where we can just be there and meet others and somehow not also what we need as human beings so this goes both for the the digital and non-digital sphere if you can separate them at all which I would adults but anyways I think up your your that maybe to to just think that a little bit further it would be really essential to get a better understanding of all those different civic right at activists there of all these different movements that even though they use different terms and maybe different tactics but in the end stage they can only grow really strong if they get together at some point and and try to discover what they have in common actually and how they can create a like a shared afford it
aimed at the end of the Hi there thanks for the presentation of it and particularly the South Sudan and case study I imagine part of the commons should at least the government of but have you been able to operate in this environment
with or without the supports and if another very supportive of how you trying to get such as books such support thanks while I had the
government right so it's sedan to begin with there is a very big question as to who was the government right now nobody really really knows so it's a non-existing entity it's more of a ghost um and it's a ghost that the less you deal with probably the better off you are um and the the initiative of this J have initiative actually started by a group of some young medical
students and who just no needed to be able to talk and share some ideas about text that they weren't able to do it the other way um and ended up in through a pure peer-to-peer structure setting up what became a completely independent media Academy and with no support whatsoever just because they're operating in this kind of a vacuum and and so they've gotten used to this necessity to um you know take things in your hands understood because you can't rely on organized structures sermon on on on governments and stuff and they have also been doing this stuff without any kind of a external funding and this certainly GIZ things going on there in terms of innovation it's so that the and so so that's why I was not trying to reinforce the notion that you know it is just it's just the strength uh of the intellectual strength of those individuals that asserts a CB beyond the challenges of it did it seem somehow almost now to say that but it's it's a survival strategy is well up to create those structures and then when they
get successful they're getting successful because of other people have taken note of what they're doing and they want to come and support them and work with them so I'm getting out of the bubble and getting your message out of this is part of that process i and I suppose at some point maybe the government or others will come see this and hopefully the palazzeschi quite a good thing but they might also feel threatened by it to know these guys never really know how to doing something good or is it what they're doing being threatened with the guys in UAE who got attacked by the government they're obviously being threatened but were they were them felt that they were a threat to the to the authorities and so it so that
that's the daily charge in many answers
yeah yeah and it Hey and thank you to produce such amazing work and we're ready and I have a proposal to the question of of whose inside and outside is really cool collective in Hamburg called premium they do beer and coke and they are that they at a time that determine who they want to collaborate with not in terms of anything other than their mind set and I think that's really interesting because they say OK we collaborate with everybody who has a collaborative mind-set I think that's a really nice idea because uh and you can you can have an enterprising can be in the government you it doesn't matter if you have a mind set of K if we work together everything works better than you can join gym I think that's maybe a nice way of thinking about it and and else have a question um I think why markets are constantly expanding is now that the more efficient or their better outcomes than common I think it's a country but the thing is that they are self reinforcing system every market grows and always that eats up everything else that's why we don't have a comes in Boston basically and so my question is how can we build a self-reinforcing system incomes how can we build commons that constant wrote that constantly are not isolated systems but and the get bigger and bigger of time my proposal is that global tip I'm doing a start cultured me and we collect tips for an infection part uh products so we buy every time you buy fair-trade coffee you can tip the people that made it and support the democratic structure helping to buy their own land where the uh working on and stand to be appealed comes with me so that I know you're good the experts would so the to hear the question of the answers that you yet and all that's this show that that's so that this this
through a and maybe the way of thinking is what Trappist so how can we make cases a self-growing and let's make it grow wheat tapes for example uh but if you think that the just 28 or 27 per cent of the Pb GPE yeah uh just these is is the school really constructed money and that most of what investment money you'd never be able using the same tools and the core is the same tool because if you don't make money it would fall day make money with money so they struggle is to think it how to get out of this struggle not to go into that not to fight against not to be bigger how can be different but how walls you to the fluent and it walks if you give the if you give association for collaborating it it does walk but it's it's not the if the weapon was money difficult to look the Lapland so we have to find new weapons may before these struggle music is still up for her there is a while yet so
it's a super interesting question that I I think maybe it's it's also on while that the problem is if you if you compare markets to Commons right so there's maybe a disadvantage because the the market is usually what market outcome is measured by money and it's something very universal something we all understand so each of us knows how the business plan thinking box so if you want to look at the benefits and values that have been created by a commons all by communal thinking by collaborative of working and living then maybe we need to expand our notion of of economics and all use a little bit and you a to cherish a little bit more what it actually means to profit from a common so in a way that's arm is that that brings equally benefits to everyone involved maybe in times when everyone is
very happy and things are looking fine maybe then that we don't know we tend to not to cherish that so much because we take it for granted right so the commons only exist in my opinion or we only start caring about the commons when we when we realize that they are under threat and the comments never exist outside of a context and they always need a perspective for a specific point in history to have become relevant for people and I guess nowadays so the chances are much better that people try to come back to this tradition of the commons and also to that that they want to I be in in a position where they can where they can understand what the benefits are and even though the profit might not be as big but maybe and other values they use of starts to gets become more valuable to them so I think it's a very interesting transition point of which we are facing right now and I would like to get back to that question maybe in 5 or 10 years time maybe there's a wider acceptance than but the comments at know as see that action lot more pessimistic wouldn't think were in real danger um I mean just you know they're always see the mean of the the political tendencies things that we've been saying no to and states and in europe and what where you know everything we thought is we're being told is not uh um and I think there's a certain point when that kind of like psychological flip around the government really has been a big effect on on society and we have I think our our tools of opposition and which are there um somehow were were losing strength to to come to fight back and and and to reclaim or further develop not just the commons but also what you're saying about that you know digital digital rights as as a commons the we have a lot of work to do but it's it's really tough um I feel nervous about waiting for 5 years and see where we've got like we need we need real action the and we need action now yeah
that's just added to that your question remind me I guess there was this will get in is here as she does like natural products when can you can you can buy for him later so sadistic today about the politics of within the but if a fair natural hair and do this guy approached as yesterday he was trying to this and what to do with what exactly is it to
dual and I wasn't explains was the thing what and he he he said so as it seems that it was like going back to do what we used to do before right so like natural products for ends at end so he said like-for-like 10 the thing and I just said you know what you saying basically that we forget up and now we're trying to go back to right and down I think it's despite our IaaS will have I agree with Stephan that we really need to act right now but I also think that term the workings of organization now that it's really localizing the territory where I am and the 1st time because before I was in the federal until you can imagine working the federal government you say talking about a continental country like everything you do is never enough and it's really I can begin macro everything so now really looking at the territory I see that arm micro politics is really important know and it's really important to look to your signed so I also I brought to the fore experience because a thing like Steven works really more like a global and gene and there are also analyzes really well in network it in Europe and set any kind of brought the experience of you a territory that is generating commons and our have been there and I having to me not to sort and over time have been working and I have been for example to go to the the hit a which is the name and their not only for the community that they're doing that you because I also I and also influenced by this descendant and they also have like mine matching which is tighter the priests in slightly meta-text is the mother and dad and sees a really have political figure in this you she speak faster writes articles so I don't know what makes me wake up every day is that I know that market where we keep everything and not believing so but and I don't know if we have to the opposition between come on the market societies the way because that we're never going to have the chance the way is now so wet desired believing this spectrum corpuses and all this outages that we're developing maybe not as fast as we should so
we we need more people doing it for me which is to this guide to the everybody's overnight organization again and we have like to finish can he make that last question shortcut thinking and short answer and try to make it faster no a very interesting conversation up here and I say to you my question is the clear simple I could like uh with the euro cooperative spiritual place in Brazil
I just say 1 word I worked with since for 5 years and the rule that might influence people they have like melting at all lived in an ordered like just about it and I find it like really interesting to see some concepts that are already growing have some successful and I think that's the answer off another man's question is the I here to exchange that to learn and to take something all to bring in other places that's exactly what we have here I guess and I would like happy if later on we can like exchange configuration options yeah it's it's that you
have to OK so I think that's it you and make them in final remarks but but there was no good 1 that's all for to exchange those ideas and so thank you Georgia after wrangling absent innocent for you guys to come I think you for british had been assured formation this is
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Titel Creating organizations of/for the commons
Serientitel re:publica 2017
Teil 118
Anzahl der Teile 235
Autor Nicolau, Georgia
Kagel, Ela
Ruiz Freire, Ricardo
Kovats, Stephen
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DOI 10.5446/33104
Herausgeber re:publica
Erscheinungsjahr 2017
Sprache Englisch

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Fachgebiet Informatik
Abstract New challenges demands new institutions and forms of organization. How is civil society rethinking its forms of representation and organization? What new models are emerging? In this session we want to to discuss the urgency of reinventing the institutions from a civil society perspective and bring experiments that are pointing out to different paths.

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