Before we get started, we actually have an empty chair. So anybody want to raise their hand to be a panelist? Contestant? Contestant. Come on. Woo!

Awesome. Catch his name. George.

All righty. Guess we'll just get started. Hi, I'm Shirley. And this is the first time we thought we'd try this out in the community dev room, because you know, everyone's sort of sitting around all day learning things, which is a great,

great thing. But we thought we'd try to have some fun as well, engagement. So we'll see how it goes. Little bit weak in here. It is lunchtime, but maybe nobody likes to have fun. We'll see. So just a community minute. Some of you might have heard of the game show Just A Minute. It's a British game show from the 60s.

It's a radio comedy show with a panel of folks. And essentially, you have a couple of topics that you'll throw at them. And our esteemed panelists will have to answer 60 seconds to answer or talk to the topic that they're going to be presented with.

So if you have heard of Just A Minute, it was originally hosted by Nicholas Parsons. He hosted it for about 50 something years before he unfortunately passed away. And then Sue Perkins has recently taken over. You might recognize her from the Great British Bake Off. But again, rules of the game. Each person goes, when it's their turn, they get one minute, they have to answer

on the topic with no hesitation at all. So the full three golden rules, no hesitation, no repetition, no deviation. So for example, if the topic provided is bananas,

Dawn would have to talk about bananas for a full 60 seconds, never repeating the word banana, never deviating in talking about pineapples, and not hesitating. If any of those three things are met, her fellow contestants hit the buzzer. And unfortunately, this was the cheapest thing I could find that didn't have wires.

So you can test your buzzers now. Hey. By the way, those are children's learning tools. 24 bucks on Amazon. So I should say, sorry, George, I didn't have you in time. We're not quite sitting in order, but we have Spot in the middle, sort of ish,

Dawn, Ray, and George at the end. So let's get started. We'll start with Dawn. Yeah, once I see the topic, we'll start. 60 seconds. Can you hear me? I'm good? All right. Okay. So Dawn, your topic is things that make people crazy.

Things that make people crazy. There are lots of things that make people crazy. Spiders are one of mine, they're absolutely bonkers. And I think a lot of people, crowds, like we've got here at FOSDEM, I think those often

make people not the word I'm going to repeat. And there are lots of others, too. I think maybe birds. You know, there was that movie, The Birds, that I think also makes people kind of bonkers.

Horror movies. Sorry, does it count as a lot of hesitation? Yep, it does. Okay. All right, very good. I'm glad I'm done. So now, so the mic goes to George to continue the rest of the... Yes.

Curveball, you have the remaining time on the topic, things that make people crazy. Well, I was thinking about things that make developers crazy, is when you do a lock and you don't do an unlock, that makes you crazy, it makes you crazy. You said crazy.

You can't say crazy? Yes, you can't say more than once. If it's the topic, you can't say it more than once. You've got seven seconds remaining. Seven seconds remaining. I think the other thing that drives me crazy is long lines.

Done, right? Yep. All right, mic goes to Spot. Your topic is beer. So last night I went out and had far too much of this liquid goodness that is flowing all over Brussels.

And unfortunately, no one bothered to tell me how strong some of them were. And I may be feeling some of the repercussions of my experiences, and I apologize in advance if this has impeded the verbosity of what I've been able to deliver to you fine fellows. And I want you all to know that you should not take my example as an action not to mirror.

Because I think it's important that you go out and you try all of that beer, because you will not know what you're missing if you do not take this opportunity. So I actually don't drink that tasty beverage.

It's one of the only things that I will not drink. Alcohol's fine. I just, for some reason, I just can't get into it. So being here, I think, is maybe kind of wasted on me. My partner, though, comes with me. And he certainly imbibes in all of it. Well done.

Since you don't drink beer. All right, the mic goes to Ray. So just to switch things up, we're going to have the audience pick a topic. Anybody want to throw away a topic? Books.

I enjoy reading them. But my problem is I have a short attention span. So it takes me a long time to finish consuming the content. I wrote one of these once a long time ago.

And one of the things that I learned from that experience was that having an incredibly good editor is key to success. And if you don't have one of those, then you find yourself in a position where you hate everything about it. You don't want to look at the computer. You don't want to look at the horrible interface that O'Reilly has built for you to put these words into play.

And so much pain and suffering. And you wake up in the morning and you think, why in the world did I ever agree to this? And why did I sneak into the O'Reilly party in the first place? What is wrong with me? But I think that that should not discourage any of you from the audience from doing that. You should take the time to write.

Well then. Alright, George, you're up. Your topic is DevRel. DevRel is a thing which I just heard about today as I was looking at what a developer advocate was. But I've been in community management for a long time

and I think certainly it's an important topic. Developers are very important. And it can often be frustrating when you have new developers Let me see DevRel if there's any more time I'm going to push that button. I mean, it's a scam. And I'm here to tell you that

we need to put a stop to this before it takes out any more innocent people. The victims are crying in the streets. Why do we continue to perpetuate the idea that this is something that anyone should be trying to do in any sense? Because it's not. It's bad. It's harmful. And I'm not afraid to say it on video. I think that we need more people

who are willing to speak up against this. Stop the madness right now. I'm still having problems figuring out what the delineation is between DevRel, marketing, community.

Easy point for Ray. Well done. Alright, we're going to go back to Don. How to cook eggs. So I'm a vegan

and so I don't actually cook eggs but I have seen people cook these things. When our friends come over so my partner has been friends with people he went to uni with 20 some years ago. They all come over on New Year's Eve and we did make eggs and sausage

for the team and my partner cooked these things in the microwave which I thought was maybe a little bit weird because I'd always seen people you know you see people on TV and they put them in a pan and they cook them for a while and then half way through they flip them over and then they wait a little bit longer

and then they put them on a plate with some toast and some probably meat I don't know because like I said I don't actually eat these things but I think that when you cook them you also put like oil or butter in the pan and I think that's part of the process and then you can also serve them

oh good Did she get the whole minute? Well done Nobody wanted to follow on that I was waiting for it right after I said it the second time

Alright spot You have to catch one another Spot you're up The internet I keep this in a box on my desk because if I didn't then what would the repercussions be? Well no one think of the children I know I'm harping on this today

but I think it's important that we all factor in the youth when we look at the applications of the internet I mean really what good has it brought us it did not bring us here together well maybe it did but it did not give us ideas well it could have but these things are not important what is important is that there is a square feature that involves

cables and blinking lights and if we don't have those blinking lights come on y'all beat me up I'm trying Thank you Is it a good thing or a bad thing I haven't figured it out it's been around everybody uses them all the time are we addicted I'm not sure

it's basically a series of tubes that go from one place to another and they're full of data and goodness and also well done George

alright Ray it's back to you a technology you love technology I love wheels shoes lights

electricity cars batteries I've been fascinated with I went to an energy track yesterday and they were talking about like EVs it was pretty interesting about how you can not only charge your car but discharge them and make money

and it was amazing that this person only spent in the Netherlands 200 euros to charge his car for like over 10 months and the Netherlands is not a place that you think of that has a lot of solar energy supply but I was pretty impressed with something I just bought a vehicle

with the battery so there's something I'll have to think about but he did have to do a lot of hacking with open source software but I thought it was pretty amazing and commendable but hopefully that kind of platform will be available for a lot of people so is that a minute?

I think we're going to get it tired George, yours is free software Apparently there's a song about free software which I'd never heard and I'm hoping maybe someone will sing

to me at some point but this way of developing software is based on the idea that everybody has a right to modify the software that they're using which I've always thought was a kind of a strange thing to say it's a right that it's wrong somehow to withhold software from somebody but I do believe

that it is a better way to start making software and we wouldn't be here at this conference if we didn't all believe that and now I'm trying to think of something else to say and I'm hoping someone will beat me off or something maybe, no but it's the the song I think it goes something like this I asked ChatGPT to write

me a free software song so without free software I guess I wouldn't have a job so obviously I'm glad I got to meet a lot of cool people made good friends so

back to you Dawn I will not give you any other food related topics how about Fosdem I have a love-hate relationship with Fosdem

I come here every year on the one hand we have the crowds which is on the less of things that I like about this particular event on the other hand it's the place where everyone I know finally comes together so I go to lots of different conferences

but this is the place where the whole community is in one place and we have a community dev room and Leslie always makes me delicious vegan cake for while we're here and it's a lot of fun I get to see people there are lots of really good places to eat in Brussels so I don't

drink the beer as discussed earlier but there are two really good Ethiopian restaurants and an African tapas restaurant all of which are high on my list of delicious places to eat in Brussels while I'm here at this event and I spend a lot of my time at Fringe parts of the conference so ChaosCon on Friday

it was a lot of fun and I like to go out to dinner oh good Spot Bob Dylan save something for us no one wants me to sing

I promise you this I can give you 150 reasons why the first reason is that I actually can do a really good impression and no one needs to hear it but if I have more of that beer that I was talking about previously it might come out and I apologize in advance because it's not

I know a lot of people are a huge fan of the artists I mean I don't happen to be one of them but obviously I have a lot of respect you know cultural icon epic performer from what I've seen and heard and a lot of followers no one's

a part of this no one wants a part of this so fun fact I was raised by hippies so there was a fair amount of this artist playing around the home because they like sort of that folksy guitar

oh good so Don and Ray are tied points wise follow that and so is Spot and George so yes Bob open topic

go ahead is there a free software song I haven't heard it I don't know if it's just made up or maybe there should be one and maybe it should be somebody should start a get up repo for free open source software song and maybe somebody can compose it

we can contribute to it make it a medley and what kind of license should it be under if there's a song I don't know if there's a license even for songs but maybe somebody knows but maybe there shouldn't even be a legal aspect

there's a lot of repetition of the word song you know I don't know if we have one there was that Sousa Chameleon one a while ago where they dressed up and there was a video and everything and it was based on what does the fox say I think so there is that melody floating around but I also don't know

of a particular musical number sorry is that pausing what's that pausing? what kind of would this be would it be like those communist ditties

alright George since you're holding the mic anyway frites like thighs french fries otherwise so frites are

made from potatoes and they are fried and I'm not sure if they were invented in France but I do remember that one time I was driving I'm from the US I was driving across the country from Michigan to Oregon

and I stopped at a place in the middle of Wyoming and looked at the menu and on the menu they had freedom fries they said menu twice you never know what the story was but a good point about whoever invented the food

I always wondered the same thing whichever civilization first invented this now I'm from the south that was a good win alright Mike goes back to Dawn the topic is open source

open source I have made a career out of the stock technology and have been working in it for more than 20 years so it's been a really really long time I really like it big companies just pay me to do this so I get to hang out with really

cool fun people I get to travel the world and go to conferences and give talks and hang out at places like this and I get to work on software that anybody can see it's fun the people are fantastic it's an amazing community

I get to come to this dev room every year at this event I get to go to other events I don't understand what the big deal about open source is I mean I went to the doctor and my doctor was very clear that this was not something that I should keep having and that I really ought to use the cream to just clear it up

because the since you're holding the mic anyway penguins a penguin bit me once and it made me want to go and write code and I don't know why that is but I think it might have been sick and I'm not an expert in

animal diseases in any real sense but I don't that doesn't seem like it makes any real logical progression how would that animal infect me with the desire to be at my keyboard but I really I need to spend less time at the zoo and if I was able to you know

be in other places maybe a museum maybe a book store possibly a restaurant there would be less risk of being attacked by a feral creature I find myself in these situations far too often and I think that my life choices are generally poor and I really regret so many things that I've

done and this is becoming a confessional and I hope that you all can appreciate that I'm baring my soul to you right now all because of a black and white thing and it's tendencies alright we're getting closer to the end

Don and Ray still tied spot catching up with one point behind Don and Ray so once we get to George we'll do one last round

every time you chat so if someone challenges somebody else and they get the challenge and they finish the time it's one point if you get your if you do the full minute like you have you get two points alright Ray community building community building so I've been in this since 2014

when I started I think there was a lot of discussion about why does this job need to even exist people didn't understand what the value was and I think that's obviously changed I don't have to justify my existence anymore like I used to but

now the challenge is like where in the organization does it belong it's like existential question I think I think the the contribution to the company and the bottom line is pretty clear but people don't know like who my boss should be what the metrics should be

but like everything else I think it's just constantly evolving and hopefully we'll continue to grow it's nice to see dev rooms like this that are very popular and people want to talk about them and discuss them and debate them wow

alright does anyone have a topic suggestion for George ok alright the cloud the cloud is a

very fuzzy concept that was invented it was first described my understanding was in 2006 with Amazon web servers using Zen which was the first open source

virtual hypervisor which was available for them to use and it spread from there and it spread from computing to data and storing data on someone else's hard drive instead of using someone else's computer and

then to cloud documents like google docs and then everyone thought that software as a service was a great thing and a way to lock people in and prevented free software so now you can't modify the software that you're

using alright last round Don your topic is traveling by plane traveling by plane this is one of one of my favorite things to do

I actually probably prefer traveling by train but sadly so I live in the UK we have lots of rail transportation but I can't get back to see my family I can't get back to the US where a lot of the cool conferences are without traveling by

air so I fly delta a lot which is nice because I have status and so I get extra things I get to sit in the lounge and drink free champagne which is pretty cool and I spend a lot of my time in these

little tubes where I still wear a mask because they are just gigantic germ factories with people breathing all over each other for 10 hours straight the food is terrible but on those international ones they give you all done okay spot

crabs well my doctor no I'm not going to do that recently I was in the position of having a lot of

money at my disposal and of course the first thing that came to my mind was crabs so I went on a quest to find a vendor who would be able to take a design that I had found on the internet that was very popular it was very orange and pinchy and I said to them can you make a lot of these and then they responded

who is this and I said it does not matter I have money just do it and they did and a year later these boxes started to show up in the warehouse and they were full of plushy goodness the kind that makes you think am I at a seafood restaurant by mistake but you're not you're in this place where there's shelves and

inside the plastic wrap its little eyes look at you and you can't help but feel abject terror because you know that this should not exist and you have done something that is against the laws of nature oh my god alright alright Ray

unbelievable I hate crabs something like this um GitHub GitHub so what a lot of things to say about this I've been using it for the past two years and before that I worked at a competing platform GitLab so it took

me a long time to get used to the new like interface and I struggled quite a bit with it but now I guess you know after two years it's I can't even tell the difference between the two platforms it's kind of ironic a lot of

open source software are hosted on this on this platform but the platform itself is not open source so the irony continues but you know I'm not a I'm not a I don't get religious about a lot of things including like whether something should be you know

freely available with source code or not because I use a I use a lot of Apple products and they're obviously not open source so that was alright well that kind of concludes unless you want to keep going

people need to like start throwing some topics at our panelists if not our winner today is Dawn followed very closely by Ray and Scott who caught up oh sorry sorry George one more you're right you're right you're right

absolutely on the topic of that how about lunch not us going to lunch which we could but topic is lunch yesterday for lunch at Fosdom I knew that there would be long queues and so I went to the grocery store and bought some food

ahead of time and that was very lovely when I became hungry I went outside and I opened my bag and I opened the packages and I consumed what was inside the packages and I didn't well where I come from there's this

thing that we do when we're hungry and it's important that you get the deep fryer out to start with because if he ain't going to burn your neighborhood down you're doing it wrong so what you gots to do is you got to put the oil in and then you find the food and then you put the food in and then you don't

today however I was unable to go to the establishment that sold nourishment well done George well thank you all for playing along

we thought we'd try something different this year we'll see how if we do this again next year but Don's still the winner tied by Spot and Ray I did buy a prize for each of you however yours isn't vegan so I'll have to get you something

or there's more cake otherwise thank you for playing along I know that we ended a bit early but maybe