Podcasting 2.0: it's all about Interoperability
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00:06
Hi everyone. The next speaker is here. So our next talk is Podcasting 2.0. It's all about interoperability. And the next speaker is Benjamin Bellamy. Give him a round of applause.
00:25
Hello everyone. Thank you for being here. Today we're going to talk about podcasting, and more specifically, Podcasting 2.0. And more specifically about... Can you all see the screen?
00:40
Yeah? Good. So you can read it because I cannot pronounce that word. Love the concept, hate the word. So why talking about podcasting here at Fosdam? Because podcasting will save the open internet.
01:04
So let me introduce myself. I'm Benjamin Bellamy. I love podcasts, which is why I'm going to talk about podcasting. I love open source, which is why I'm here today. I'm founder and CEO of a company called Adores, which is Latin.
01:24
So don't ask me how to pronounce it. It's Latin. No one knows. And it means going to the ears. And I'm the father of Castopod. We'll talk about that later. And by father, I mean Castopod is my baby. I was here when it was conceived.
01:46
But now it's all grown up and I cannot see it as much as I would like to. But enough talking about me. Let's talk about you. So I'm going to make a quick poll. I'm going to ask each one of you four questions.
02:03
So that's going to take half an hour and there will be half time for Q&A. Or no. Just raise your hand. Who here is a podcaster? Oh, so like 30%. Who's a developer? Okay, just one arm because that's 200%.
02:25
Have you heard of podcasting 2.0 before? Okay, so 25%. And have you heard of Castopod? 20%.
02:42
Okay, so let's talk about users. Users are always the problem. No users, no bug reports. So the problem that we are facing now, all of us, is that we have to choose.
03:01
We have to choose between the open web and the closed web. Between where we have control and where we don't have control. But of course we don't have to be religious about this.
03:21
And we know that closed silos are comfortable. When we are on a website watching videos, silos are very useful because you get everything you need. You need a feature, it's there. You need to upload a file, you need to index it, you need to recommend it, you need to monetize it.
03:45
Anything as a user or as a content creator. It's all there. Very easy, very convenient. So at the end, yeah, that's probably the best solution. Let's all use closed silos because they're so much easier for everything.
04:08
So yeah, actually maybe I was wrong. So let's go to closed silos and forget about this open internet problem. Or maybe there's something else.
04:23
If you're a user, yes, maybe that can make sense. But as soon as you are a content creator, and I see that many of you are podcasters, we have to think about what can influence the content that you create. If you are on the open internet, so that's a federated network or a self-hosted platform, whichever,
04:48
well, you have to follow the regulations. The law applies to each and every one of you. If you don't, you'll probably get into some troubles.
05:04
And that's it. You are the only one in control of your content. Whereas if you're on the closed web, so let's say YouTube, well, you still have to follow the laws and the regulations.
05:24
And you'll have issues as well on this platform. But at the same time, you have to follow the terms and conditions of the platform. The economic, political, ideological interests specific to the platform
05:40
and government pressure on the platform, talk about China or wherever, mass reporting of your content by opponents or competitors. This happens all the time, every day. A boat, how many times have we uploaded a content and we got a strike
06:06
and then you end up talking to a boat and say, I got a strike, I don't know, it makes no sense why. Well, that's what happens. A moderator in a bad mood and a platform shutting down.
06:24
Like you create content, you put all your value into it, you trust a platform where you put the value that you created and then it's gone. Let's, I don't know, like Google+, goodbye.
06:43
Goodbye Google Wave, goodbye Google everything. So, now let's talk about audio blogging. How does everything that I just said applies to audio blogging? So obviously, blogging audio content.
07:04
Audio blogging, yeah, that makes sense. But how to call it? So we don't talk about audio blogging anymore. We haven't for many years, 15 actually, because now we're talking about podcasting. Podcasting is a word that was invented by a journalist,
07:22
Ben Harmesly in The Guardian in 2004 and we've been talking about podcasting ever since. So who created podcasting? Who are the founders of podcasting? Well, that may sound stupid but there isn't any podcasting without podcasts.
07:46
Podcasting is about podcasts, it's about content. You can have the best technology ever. If you don't have any content, at the end of the day it's going to be useless. So these are some of the oldest and most famous podcasts.
08:07
These are my choice. If you ask someone else you'll probably get others. So the first one is The Illusion of Independent Radio from 1989. Of course at that time it wasn't on Twitch, it wasn't on Apple Podcasts.
08:23
It was broadcasted manually on cassette tapes and copied from tape to tape but still it's considered by many as the first podcast ever. And as you can see the original title, it was from Russia.
08:45
Then in 2004 The Daily Source Code was a podcast that was broadcasted every day by Adam Curry, a kind of technical podcast. Then the year after the podcasting Do It yourself guide by Todd Cochrane.
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2006 The Lance Anderson Podcast Experiment by obviously Lance Anderson. There are many others. I won't spend more time naming all of them. Just 2014 Serial by Sarah Koenig.
09:25
This one is important because it's the 350 million download podcasts. So that made a difference because we went from a model where you have some nerds talking to other nerds
09:42
and there were a bunch of them here, a bunch of them there. But now we're talking big numbers. So that's for the content. Now the architects. Who designed it?
10:00
Who is at the origin of podcasting the technology? So pop quiz. There is no technology here. Just the names and the dates. So 1993 Fraunhofer Gesellschaft.
10:20
Who knows what invention is behind that? MP3. Yeah, correct. MP3. 1995. Anyone knows? RSS. Yes, correct. 2000. Yeah, enclosures. Enclosures in RSS.
10:45
2003. Yeah, that's a bit. Yeah, that's just before the daily source code. Actually, the daily source code was the way to apply this.
11:01
It's pushing your podcast to your iPod. And at the same time, we got ipoder.org, which was a repository, an index for podcasts. And 2005. Speak louder. No, not the iPod. The iPod was earlier.
11:23
This is podcast in iTunes. Okay, so that's the technology. But what's a podcast? Well, there are several definitions for a podcast.
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There is no official definition for a podcast. Some people say it's a content that you can download and listen to whenever you want to, wherever you want to. Some say it's an audio content.
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And my definition, the one I like the best, and I think it should be the only one, if you ask me, is Adam Curry's one. A podcast is an RSS feed with an enclosure. So, an RSS feed and an enclosure. That's a podcast.
12:21
So, example. This is not a podcast. This is a podcast. I don't know if you could see the difference. I'm going to show it to you again. Not a podcast.
12:41
A podcast. So, for the one who did not upload, this is not a podcast because there is no RSS feed. You can listen to it. You can download it. You can listen to it wherever you want to. But you cannot get an RSS feed. So, you cannot select and choose the application on which you want to listen to it.
13:03
And you are in a closed ecosystem here. This is Spotify. Obviously, you are all recognized. So, this is not the open internet. So, this is why I do not consider this as a podcast, whereas this is a podcast. And it's, you can say and you can tell, it's better looking.
13:30
So, if you remember the Architects, in 2005, Apple Podcasts, which was iTunes podcast at that time, was launched.
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And it was launched by Apple, by Steve Jobs, right after Adam Curry, who was at the beginning, he was involved technically and he was still a podcaster.
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He gave to Steve Jobs himself the index that he and some other guys developed at that time, which was called iPoder.org, which was an index with 4,000 podcasts. Remember that number, 4,000 podcasts.
14:21
This is the index that we had at that time. And it was all the podcasts that we could listen to and at least search for within the iPoder index. And this is a changeover because at that specific time, Apple took care of podcasting.
14:43
They did a pretty decent job because they got no money from it, just marketing image, but they did pretty much everything in the podcast industry since that moment. So, let's recap.
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Here you can see 1993 MP3, RSS, RSS Plus MP3, RSS Plus MP3 to the iPods, iTunes, and nothing. Nothing. So, that's not a bug. That's not PowerPoint breaking my slide because this is impressed, this is not PowerPoint.
15:24
And nothing happened. So, this is what I call the status quo of podcasting. Meaning for 10 to 15 years, nothing happened and it stayed the same. You can see here, so we still have hosting and indexes and apps and lines going from all the way crossing,
15:51
which means that podcasting is still decentralized. And that's a very important point because over the years, let me go back a little bit.
16:07
Here you see that, too much. We had YouTube, Facebook, and many new technologies that disrupted the markets, but they are not centralized.
16:20
When you're on Facebook, you're not on the internet. You're in Facebook. When you're on YouTube, you're not on the internet. You're in YouTube. Whereas podcasting, well, it's decentralized and it's still decentralized.
16:41
So, that's good news. But at the same time, not a single feature has been added for 15 years. Try to think about this. In which industry we saw no innovation for 15 years.
17:02
And we're talking about the internet. Not a single feature for 15 years. Nothing happened. And at the same time, we saw the core of it, RSS, we saw it dying many times.
17:24
Mostly killed by Google. Many times. So, at the end of the day, what's happening to podcasting? Is it dead? No, it's still alive. But between these 10 years, so there's a 10 years...
17:42
I know the word I cannot pronounce. There was no development because of a chicken and egg problem. If you are a podcast hosting company or developing a hosting solution, if you want to add a new feature, well, you need an application to implement it.
18:05
Otherwise, it's useless. No one will say it. So, you won't do it. And if you are developing a podcast listening app, well, it's useless to implement a new feature because if there is no hosting company implementing it, it will be useless.
18:23
So, everyone is waiting. So, the solution would be to ask the one in the middle who's taking care of the index, Apple, to make the first step. Well, try to ask something to Apple and see how it goes.
18:43
So, yeah, nothing happened for all these years. And then, 2020, Adam Curry and Dave Jones decided to reboot it
19:02
to make podcasting 2.0. So, podcasting 2.0 is an open specification and by open I mean it's open source and it's open to anyone. So, each one of you can come and play with us and say,
19:21
I need this, I want this. Podcasting is missing. This important feature or this feature that is not important to anyone but me, doesn't matter. It's an open specification, open to everyone. Really, I mean it. And technically, it's a namespace that extends the podcasting DTD.
19:45
The one that was created by Apple and that everyone has been following for years. Even Google is following the Apple DTD now. They dropped their, they had one but they eventually dropped it. So, if you go there, you will see all the new features
20:04
which are usually new tags that had been added to podcast. So, podcasting 2.0 is about decentralizing and returning to open source.
20:25
So, everyone can be a part of it and everyone can play together. That's really important. But this is not how we are going to convince users and listeners
20:41
that this is the right solution. It's almost impossible to tell people, you shouldn't be on Facebook because it's not open source and you don't know what they are doing with your data. You have to be on something that's open and decentralized and federated. People just don't care. It's useless.
21:01
If you do that, you're going to be exhausted before you have convinced two people. The only way to convince people is to be better than closed solutions and closed ecosystem. So, you have to focus on user experience and features and this is what podcasting 2.0 is about.
21:22
So, there are many, many, many new features that are in podcasting 2.0. These are only the ones that have been implemented yet so, alternate enclosures, yes, because now we are using MP3
21:43
but MP3 is 30 years old. Maybe we like better M4A or OGG or FLAC or Dolby Atmos or low bandwidth encoding files. Well, how do you do that with the usual DTD? You cannot.
22:03
With podcasting 2.0, you can't do that. You can have multiple enclosures for one episode. Boostograms, who knows what is boostogram? Okay, like 5%. Boostogram is a way to send message, money and love to a podcaster.
22:26
So, you're listening to a podcast and suddenly something, you find it really interesting. Oh, I love that you click, you send money, so it's Bitcoin over the LND network.
22:40
You send a message and you send a timestamp so the podcaster knows at what time within the episode this boostogram was sent and you receive money and message and love. Chapters. If you want to have chapters, of course you can have chapters within an MP3 file
23:05
but let's say if you have alternate enclosures and if you want to modify the chapters afterwards and if you want the chapters to be indexed, to be seen without having to download the whole files, well, having chapters in a JSON file can be pretty, pretty much useful.
23:28
Episodes and seasons. Well, what if you want to give a title to a season and not just a number and to make it more easy to see and index.
23:43
Funding. If you have Patreon or PayPal, you can put that within the RSS feed so that it shows up directly within the podcast app, the podcast player. View ID.
24:03
I cannot understand why we didn't have that earlier. If you have a podcast, very often you move it from a domain name to another, from a hosting company to another. How can you tell that these two RSS feeds are actually the same podcast? Well, before podcasting 2.0, you can't.
24:23
Now you have an ID that doesn't change. Live, because podcasting is very often about live events. You're talking live, you're talking to everyone and also making a podcast and the live will be the podcast
24:42
but you want the users to be able to get a notification within the podcast app that says, oh, your favorite podcast is now live. Click here and listen to it. Location, because you want your content to be easily found
25:00
and sometimes it's about a specific place. So how about geolocation? I think there's something called Google Map but obviously nothing related to podcasting but with podcasting 2.0, if your podcast is about tourism, well, you can pinpoint an episode or a podcast.
25:23
So then you can put it on a map. You can put your podcast on a map. Locked, we've seen podcasts that were copied and monetized, specifically on Anchor, on the Anchor platform.
25:41
Some people found out that their podcast had been copied and copied on Anchor and then monetized. They didn't know about it. So here, it won't prevent the copy but at least it will say, please do not copy that podcast so that the hosting company knows that this podcast shouldn't be copied.
26:03
Medium, because podcasting is not just only about talking. It can be music, it can be many, many other media. OP3 is an open source, open data analytic platform that allows you to share your analytics with third parties.
26:23
Person is about saying this content was made by this host with this guest and this sound engineer. Potping is a way to say, hey, my RSS feed just got updated and you send that information into the Hive blockchain
26:44
so that you don't have to query an RSS feed every minute to know when it was updated. Imagine how many requests Apple has to do to get notified where all the podcasts are updated
27:03
and actually they are not notified. They fetch the answer. Sat streaming, almost the same as a boostogram but it's while you are listening to a content, like every second. Social interact is about talking with your audience from any app.
27:28
So you say to the podcast app, this is where the discussion is taking place. This is where you should interact with the podcaster.
27:40
And it can be, of course, on the podcaster platform. It could be on the Fediverse. It doesn't have to be on a closed platform where you don't have control on your content and on the content that your audience creates. Sound bytes is a way to make a small byte of sound, obviously.
28:08
Transcripts, which does not exist on podcasting, except for podcasting 2.0 which is a real shame because accessibility is mandatory in Europe,
28:22
it is mandatory in the US and still all the big platforms seem not to care about this. Well, podcasting 2.0 brings a way to add transcriptions to the podcast and a transcription that the podcaster is responsible for.
28:43
So as a podcaster you can correct or do whatever you want to in the transcript and the transcript can be in the original language or it can be a translation. So you can make your podcast available to people who are hard of hearing or people who just don't speak your language very well.
29:05
And TXT, which is like the same, the DNS TXT record works. Right now, if you want to go on a podcast platform as a podcaster and you want to prove your ownership, the only way, the Apple way,
29:23
is to put your email address within the RSS feed and this will allow you to get a lot of spam. Well, with this, the platform who wants to verify your ownership will say please put that token into your RSS feed, you put it and then you're good, you're gone
29:40
and you don't have to share your email address. So all these, all these features, this is not a wish list, this exists, this works, this has been implemented and it's working now. It's working now in many application platforms and services.
30:04
And of course, if your podcast is a podcasting 2.0 podcast, it will also work on all the non-podcasting 2.0 platforms. It is backward compatible.
30:20
So where are we now? There are over 400,000 podcasts that have declared the podcasting 2.0 namespace in their feed. And, as I said, interoperability is the key.
30:46
Meaning this works only because we are working together. It's not a closed silo and this is why it works. Here there are only a few of the platforms that are implementing it.
31:03
So on the left you see the hosting services, on the right the players and in the middle the indexes. There are many others and they are all working together. So that's pretty nice.
31:26
But let's not forget that the battle is not over. The GAF farm, we talk about saga for podcasting, Spotify, Apple, Google and Amazon,
31:46
they won't quit that easily. Last example, Spotify decided to implement chapters but they didn't use that. They used their own way. So we need to say the word and to use it.
32:06
But that won't be enough. Podcasting 2.0 has a powerful ally, which is podcast index. Podcast index is a podcast index, pretty convenient.
32:23
That has all the podcasts. And it's open source, open data, meaning that anyone can have access to the index. Imagine before the year 2020,
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as a podcaster, if you want to exist, you need to ask for Apple to grant you permission to add your podcast in their index. You don't have right access. You need to ask permission. And if you say bad words, you're not sure that they'll accept you.
33:06
And as a podcast app, if you want your users to be able to find podcasts, so to look for them, as the podcast app, you need to ask Apple to grant you permission to read the index
33:23
so that your users can send some queries that will end up in Apple podcast index so that you can say, yeah, you're looking for a podcast, talking about whatever. This is what we found. So if Apple doesn't want you to continue working with them,
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from one minute to the next one, they can ban you, they can revoke the access, and your app becomes useless to all your users. So with the podcast index, you can get an API key,
34:02
you can get access, you can query as much as you want to, and if you're not comfortable with that because there's still a centralized database and a centralized API server, you can download the database. The podcast index is a database. You can download it.
34:21
You go to podcastindex.org, you click download, and you download the whole database, all of them. So everything is on the podcast index except stuff that is illegal, obviously. But there's no preference.
34:42
They're not making choices for what should be allowed and what should not be allowed. And right now, it is twice as big as the Apple podcast index. So that's four million podcasts.
35:01
So remember in 2005, we had 4,000. Now four million. So if we recap again, the void is not blank anymore. We have podcasting 2.0, and we can work on this.
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So let's see how this works. We'll see how it works on Castopod. So what is Castopod? It's a podcast hosting solution.
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It's open source. It's AGPL3. It relies on phpMySQL, CodeIgniter 4, and of course, it is podcasting 2.0 compatible. It implements chapters, funding, UID, location, locked,
36:02
OP3, person, standby, transcript, social interact. And social interact, for that, it uses the activity pump protocol, meaning it's connected to the Fediverse and to Mastodon, obviously. So where you're on Castopod, you publish an episode.
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It's going to show up on your Mastodon feed as a user, and you'll be able to like it, share it, comment it. And the stars, the comments, will come back on your Castopod server.
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So when you interact with your audience, the reactions from your audience are on your server. There is no middleman between you as a content creator and your audience. No technical person involved, no legal entity involved.
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So no one can pull the plug, and no one can send you their lawyer. And why are we developing that? Because we love you, and we think you deserve it. You deserve free speech, all of you.
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And your love that you send back to us pays our rent, or it doesn't. So in order to be sustainable, Castopod has been funded by Adores, my company,
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by Enelnet, the Enelnet Foundation. Thank you, Raël. We are an open collective, so if you want to be a part of it, because we value everything that you can bring, time, talent, treasure, anything, go to Open Collective.
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We got a lot of value from you. For instance, we translated Castopod in French, because as some of you may have noticed, I have a slightly French accent. And Castopod has been translated in 20 languages, 21 I think.
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Not 100%, but almost the public port. Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, Brazilian Portuguese, many of them. And we provide paid hosting on Castopod.com.
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So if you want to host your podcast on Castopod, but you don't want to take care of this, you don't want to go through the trouble of self-hosting, you can talk to me, or go to Castopod.com. So if you want to know more about Castopod,
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just go to Castopod.org, and you'll find everything that you need to know there. If you want to install it, go to docs.castopod.org, and you will find many ways to install it. It's PHP MySQL, so we have a basic Apache,
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ModPHP, MySQL, MariaDB, or Parcona, or whatever. You'll install it. We have Docker images, it works on Unohost. I saw some guys installing it on Synology, NAS. Very easy to install.
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So, what does it look like? So here, this is the login page, and it has nothing interesting, it's just a login page, but it works. And if you forget your password, there's a login link.
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On the dashboard, you'll get all the information that you need for your podcast, the storage, the bandwidth, how much you've been using. But the thing is, all the information and the analytics,
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they are yours. The number of listeners, they are yours. They are on your server. This is not Google Analytics. You have the raw data. Of course, it's GDPR compliant, but everything is yours. Now, if you want to create a podcast,
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it's going to take like 30 seconds, and you're up and running. If you want to create a new episode, it's going to take 30 seconds, and you're up and running. Of course, I'm not counting the time that you need to record the podcast, but that's up to you. Then, you'll be able to listen to the podcast, of course, on the website.
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Castopod has a pretty decent website. I haven't said it, but it's podcasting 1.0 compatible, so you will be able to listen to your podcast on any platform, including Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Deezer, Amazon, everywhere.
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If your content is geolocated, you'll be able to see it on the beautiful map, so OpenStreetMap, obviously. And you can have private content, like premium content,
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if you want to make a paid subscription, or maybe just for your friends. And when you are connected to the Fediverse,
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people will be able to interact with your content, and you will see the answers back on your Castopod server. So here, this command is a Mastodon command, I think. It comes back to your server. It's yours. Here, this is the OP3 website.
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So this was developed by John Sporlock. So this is an analytics website that allows you to have statistic analytics on a third-party platform, which is really convenient if you want to be able to share that with third parties.
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So you have a third party involved, counting how many listeners you have. But it's open source and open data. And of course, everything, say it again, works everywhere.
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This is a podcast addict. So you can see the transcription. It's showing on your phone. Still, podcast addict. Here, you can see the person who was involved in the creation of the podcast.
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So I think we're done. As a conclusion, how can you help? How can you be a part of it? Well, very easy. Just go to newpodcastapps.com and make your choice.
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Find an app. Find a service provider, a hosting company, hosting whatever. It doesn't have to be Castapod. Of course, it's the best. But you don't have to believe me. You can make your own decision.
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And stop telling your, as a podcaster, stop telling your audience, go to Apple Podcasts and give me some stars. No. These are your stars, not Apple's stars. So if you want to know more about this subject,
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the podfather 2.0, La saga des pioniers continu, which will be in the podcast magazine number 2. I think it's going to be out in 10 days or so. It's in French. If you don't understand French, it will also be on Castapod's blog.
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You have the URL here. There's an RSS feed, because RSS is not for podcasting only. You can also read all the articles. The slides are on the FOSS website.
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And since we are talking about podcasting, or further listening, there's a podcast which is conveniently called Podcasting 2.0, which talks about Podcasting 2.0. And it's hosted by Adam Curry and Dave Jones.
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It's every Friday. And you can listen to it live. So if you're using a Podcasting 2.0 app, you'll get a notification, you'll click on it, and you'll be able to listen to it live. Or after, if you don't want to listen to it live.
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Podcast weekly review by Sam Thethey and James Cridland. They talk about Podcasting 2.0 a lot. And James Cridland also has a daily podcast which is called PodNews. I highly recommend these three.
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And thank you. We have four minutes for questions. Do you have any questions? Oh, okay.
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Hi. Is it working? Okay. So, amazing talk. I have just one question. There's very few time. What about advertising but in podcasts? Is there some way to add advertising and advertising review podcasts?
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There are many, many ways for advertise a podcast. At Adores, my company, we work on recommendation and paid recommendation. Historically, there were two kinds of ads on the podcast.
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Either from the host, and it can be host read or automatically inserted, or on the app. We still have the two of them. I hope that eventually we can find a way to make the host and the app work together
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so that they build a bigger audience together. Thank you. Thank you for your talk. I have two questions. How do I move my existing feed if I want to host it on Kustopod? That's my first question. And what features which are in the Podcasting 2.0 spec?
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You have this whole list of all these features. Some of you have implemented, so what are you working on next to implement in Kustopod? First one, Kustopod has an import feature. As soon as you have your Kustopod instance ready, you copy paste the RSS feed URL,
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you click import, and it fetches everything. About the features, we don't have all of them implemented yet. We're working on them one step at a time.
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Yes, hi. So you said the podcast index don't host anything illegal, so what's your restriction is the podcast index in? Can you repeat? Sorry, you said the podcast index doesn't host any illegal content, so I wonder what jurisdiction the podcast index is hosted in.
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I'm sorry, I didn't hear your question. Okay, so you said the podcast index doesn't host anything illegal, but it allows everything legal. As long as they know it.
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What jurisdiction is it hosted in? What country's laws? Is it United States or Germany? Okay, so it's a US corporation, it's a US company,
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so I assume it's US laws, but the only example that I saw are mostly people who copied podcasts. Something that you have to know is that the podcast industry is still very young. It's a very young, 20 years old industry.
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Young because it hasn't been monetized as other industries, so when there is not that much money involved, you get less problems. Obviously, when it's bigger and when the money is flowing,
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we have some other issues, yeah, that's for sure. A very few questions because the time is up. My question is about the transcription. Does Castopod help us to transcript,
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or do we have to upload our own transcript with our own tools? Right now, Castopod allows you to embed your transcript, but we are working on the solution that will make it for you. We've been working on that for years, and it's going to be out very soon.
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We have just a few questions on the chat, and one is, do you hear me? Yes, okay. So one is, does Podcasting 2.0 address stuff like integrating BitTorrent with Podcast RSS?
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It does not address BitTorrent yet, and it's pretty hard because it's pretty hard to get something that works fluently.
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That's something that's on the table, but it's not going to be here very, very soon. Okay, and the next question was about hosting providers.
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What do you think about podcast hosting providers that conform to the standard but host short version on the actual podcast,
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forcing you to download their app to finish listening to it? While they're doing whatever they want to, I just think you shouldn't use them. And you should go someplace where you have control, not the hosting company. So thank you very much. Thank you.
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If you have other questions, I'll be around.
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