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thank you so much Ken can you hear me great so this talk which is very much coming together a lot of help and support from Cameron and inspiration as well as Paul there's a Ramsey yesterday I think there's a lot of convergence of what I did to talk about him when he was touching upon specifically around when he was speaking about the kind of ecosystem of open Geospatial what the cash economy looks like and so I called this talk like what are your salary requirements like what is the value that we're going to create a lot of times the work that we do intersects with our paycheck and if it doesn't we would like it to so we're going to talk about what our own personal and global cash economy and they look like so hi Melissa
I I want to give a part of the kind of
aesthetic inspiration for this talk is very much the graffiti of Melbourne I've collected like a handful of imagery from this streets here sometimes not but I wanted to thank the city I had one of the thing Cameron and the rest the organizing committee for bringing me over here it's amazing and there's some circles that I hope to kind of touch upon as well so thank you and it's a great conference congratulations thank you so I've seen a couple references
here to Star Wars there's not going to be as much Star Wars in the hero stuff but I do want to I'm not sure that's for
Melbury but I hope there's a boat somewhere here and we are so I saw this
quote not too long ago on open geo can be a labor of love I think all of us are passionate and committed to this world wherever we are whether we're expert or beginner but I
think we can recognize that love doesn't pay the mortgage if you're looking for a mortgage or the rent it is there's there's something else sort of coming in play so for me open geo has always been
a job I was introduced to the concept of open Jo within open geo the company with Paul and progressed on as a business development person I'm in this space both committed to the work and committed to my livelihood and I imagine I'm not alone that there are other people here who work in this open Geospatial
again aesthetically I'm going to keep the graffiti going there's not four feet of a job interview but the format that I thought would be kind of interesting to explore in this presentation is the job interview I mean if you have ever had a job interview I reckon there's a ton of expertise on internet not as much on Twitter like the plot sphere telling you how you should prepare for the interview so I'd like to go through a handful of like the questions once you prepare when you're interviewing for an open geo job hopefully you've seen them and inspired by them so a couple more goats the
canonical recommendation for preparing for a job interview is to know all the questions before now a little hard to make that happen and that's why they say to prepare for 30 questions I've taken
eight from that that list of 30 questions and we're going to kind of walk through that them sort of speaking about again what the job is of people who are so one of the first questions
I'm pretty much out of the gate is can you tell me a little bit about yourself
the again canonical on advice in this for this type of question is to give you a pitch so here is my earth feeding
reference and there's a lot to say I had
imagined about like what wins pitches I'm so we'll just take it from within that you know I'm a start-up professional I work mostly in startups which I'll kind of go through here some of my most recent experiences and committed to like building and open world so how did I hear about
this job I really know what this job is but again this convergence is cash economy of open geo and the paycheck so
the recommendation here is to name-drop as much as you can so get that list together for yourselves this is one of
my circles it's this book this is my very first introduction to what a map is gonna grow up like reading an atlas maybe some heated but when I was 18 header heading to university I was instructed to read this book called maps and territories and by a professor at the University of Melbourne who I think it was an art show about Aboriginal cartography if you know him I really in in remembrance and if you want to see the book this is one of my few books in my bookshelf still at that point it was a good student and you could see highlighting here and notes in the margins but this was my introduction to what when it means to be a geographer and then you know since and in terms of
my professional career I've had the like the amazing opportunity to be part of many different startups and happy to talk about any of these but but in terms
of like once journey my my work in open geo has gone from an abstract concept on something that I've learned like in in university to in part you know not the only thing but there to a paycheck so to quote kal from yesterday and this is from the research 2022 by Nadia Cambria her last name but open-source I think and I think we can all recognize this open source does not capture the value that often deserves I know you can be your kind of how you see this but I'm very much into like just sustaining open source making it successful and for some reason this KIFI to you but I didn't want to delete it okay so next question
prepare for this right here greatest for professional strength again reference to
the graffiti so the recommendation here
is to be accurate relevant and specific they have created jargon for this book but we're going to be accurate relevant and specific so one of my most recent
like startups I've been part of and hopefully this is I think it's kind of important that people that that are also innovating in the space of open geo just kind of aware you can of this conversation but in the blockchain world there is increasing inquiry into what it means to have Speights and how how do you how do you make location on the blockchain and I would say like one of my own professionals strengths is that I know anything about blockchain really and now I sort of know it like 5% and so no expert but but have tried to figure out like what it means to have location on this blockchain so I'm going to in just a couple of slides first explain what blockchain is and it's something that I think that we can learn about as an open geo community from from this type of innovation so again to quote Paul can
the open source cash economy be done in another way the economy of proprietary software and open source software cannot be reconciled we need to begin recognizing the value of communal property what what are things about blockchain is that it's not only kind of a technological innovation and a legal kind of shift but it's also a business shift and a lot of the conversation around blockchain is to have how to how to create value in a different way so I'm not saying that watching is
responding to this but I think it's something for us to to think about so I
had the opportunity to be part of and advise a open do blockchain startup called foam essentially what it does is combine into you hash with chained hash there's a lot more that Sara but well we'll start from there
and at some of the language of blockchain that really really meant something to me like that I really had to kind of think about and I still reflect upon are these three words that you'll see a lot in the dialogue around blockchain and the dialogue around geo watching these three words are trust lists decentralized apply means something to us and an incentives so to go through these three words trustless don't press a single entity in the digital network whether that's a large bank the cloud provider were the single mapping company for a decentralized set up trust as a decentralized protocol to achieve consensus so you trust the protocol you don't trust one another and then how you put together a trust in that protocol is to incentivize good behavior so again whatever that means to you just think of the word trust decentralize and incentives to under think about blockchain needs and so when it comes to its end devising like how do you incentivize just kind of decentralized protocol you maybe can see from like the backgrounds but one does it through financial words so money is a really big part of how you're constructing these so not free time like we've talked about before but because people are getting paid to do this so I would say here
again in reference to the cash economy that like Paul was talking about that there's a a equality that money equals enlightenment I think I think that
brings up a lot of questions and yeah that what doggie means in watching economy may look like so moving on what
is your greatest professional achievement this is the recommendation here is don't be shy I really enjoy yourself be proud so I'm
going to point to I've been one of the things I again had the opportunity to be part of and then I'm really just yeah it means something to me are they series of events separate people together and so I'm a part of OpenStreetMap us for many years and was one of the lead organizers for I need five conferences as well as Oscar G and that happen this summer in dar Salam and part of the founding of a bap time and
one of the things that kind of brings all that together is open three mouths and one what one of our I'll give you an open stream at us like update something that's quite significant in the dialogue over synopsis at the state I'm sorry the u.s. chapter just hired an executive director and so we hope that this will bring on the entire conversation of OpenStreetMap forward similar to how hot has done that with urban street map and commodity considerations and so this is a step that the International Foundation is looking at closely and I hope that it inspires like other OpenStreetMap chapters around the world to think about what it means to have paid staff I'm bringing this work forward and so how did we do that's how are we able to hire
somebody there wasn't a VC investment that's giving us a runway and so there when again everything is nuanced but two things that I'll point to is a commitment of community and the people that are always behind on all these projects but also I want to recognize
and really point to the companies have been part of this conversation OpenStreetMap is I mean expended by a many different stakeholders with many different pockets behind them and it's from their support as particularly during the conferences that have allowed us to be able to hire an executive director and so there's a real tension
with this with this presence of companies of private companies and the
point here I think it's a little surprising that we see some some days here that are necessarily part of the OpenStreetMap community one might expect everything from ESRI to here even to like not boxes shifting work in a mystery map and yet they're all all committed I think to being part of this ecosystem and so you know what does that look like for for maybe us as individuals and us as employees of these companies as well so
there's a real tension and I want to acknowledge that both in the US community as well as the international community if people aren't familiar with Simon Poole I he's a wonderful guy it's part of the licensing working through committee working group done a part of but but he did kind of point to this tension during the last conference that we had in this type of quote that led to again a larger conversation about the place of of companies in conferences he is a former president of OpenStreetMap foundation kind of a recognized leaders and it's very beginnings so I I just again I want
to point to attention that I think always exists with the companies and the individuals and what what does that mean for again this cash economy that we're all part of when it when we speak about working geo so some questions for us to
think about I I would encourage us to consider that these larger companies are sincere in their open efforts they're doing the best they can similar to ourselves I I wonder if you know talk a lot about diversity and that different genders different colors different ages should be in our rooms I wonder if we would talk about the diversity of stakeholders we should not separate what we mean by community by where you're coming from and where companies look like and maybe that's another form of bigger city we can think about maybe there's no such thing as a project being too corporate one of the complaints for state of Matthew Isis specifically is that their quote to corporate maybe there's no such thing maybe you also are part of these companies and that you're interested in working and not volunteering your time and so you know what is that way and Paul pointed out to I think it was the Linux kernel and how much these companies and the individuals that are part of them are are the core contributors to all of this work and so again I'll just post he says questions these are questions that I think about often and I don't have a clear resolution but I think that these are kind of trends that are happening in our space that we can move the conversation forward around I'll go back to like the
term trustless from the blockchain and where trust like fits into that conversation of companies being part of our open G communities like maybe we trust one another and we trust the institutions that were part of and this is like an Avenue towards valuating communal property so I think for me all
of this speaks to a attention that I've been referencing and a conflict in our work conflict that's happening on a on a personal level I mean I can speak to that but also in our ecosystem level so
this is essentially that can also research here instead of get real and I want to talk about that
so as Paul said yesterday institutions are not different than individuals and the institutions that are part of our communities are are also individuals that are that are part of our and so
some of the tensions that I've seen on being part of these companies in this work for for a number of years so startups start up to may start with a very like clear commitment to open source and then as they have the responsibility to pay their employees as well as accountability and to particularly like VC funding they may pivot and from that kind of black and white commitment towards open and I think that we could all point to the you know stain treat of course just just doesn't happen in your startup space so
I would pose in terms of like questions here about like the kind of tension that we see in the startup space I particularly like a business development role so many people coming out of like MBA degrees that are applying more traditional models of profit to open source and I I would I would wonder if it really directly applies I do think VC investment smoke VC investment can can complicate what it means to be committed to open GL again Apollo kind of touched upon this as well like I mean we're a contract so the paradigm seemed like the perfect solution like what is that what does that really mean and again some questions for us to develop then you
have on the other side of conflict or attention of a larger companies of a sudden becoming open and what does that really look like sometimes that means that they you know put a project on github and now they're committed to open I think more often than not they read large checks and and say that they're open I think it's much for a marketing recruiting efforts as well as potentially that we were saying before sincere in trying to think about their their profit and open to you
so we fir back to the kind of last questions that I brought up and doesn't money have time yeah
so I point to so that there's a lot of innovations that are happening here in different types of business models and one of them is this company called tide lifts who is started by a handful of red hat people and the author of the own EBL license so has a ton of geospatial and a history as well it's called tide lift and it sort of
serves as that insurance that a middleman on between larger companies and supporting particularly smaller projects of openness ORS commitments and so at you're a maintainer you can be sort of paid to kind of continue your work through this like tide lift ecosystem and encourage you to look at it it's maybe it's sort of bright space for for yourselves they're currently committing a million dollars to to supporting smaller projects so why is this
important like why is it that I think it's important that we consider like the cash economy and creating value for the works that we're committed to in all the different ways that it might look like
for me this is kind of says it all again I'm coming from the US this is a big person that we all can stand in the shadow I will also say that when looking at melbourne graffiti this was probably the most popular search there's a lot of street art happening are around the Trump administration and you know fundamentally when it comes to technology and when it comes to profit I think we live in power and privilege I think the world is pretty messed up so some quotes the sense at the end of
times or in the air has never been more obvious to those in a tech business the brilliant digital minds who told us that we were changing the world for the better have miscalculated and this is from Paris was sure she is a journalist in the Beco decode and and we I think we are at a crossroad as technologists large and small another quote I might have seen this one so now more than ever as leaders and citizens we must ask ourselves a fundamental question what kind of world do we want to live in and this is from Tim Cook when he made his most we send like Apple announcements and again we're technologists we're employed and we're also citizens and I think we can right now like think critically about what that means and I will argue that I think
open Geo more so than any other like technology field is particularly well-positioned to be leaders in this space I think as a profession and as a passion we have often thought about micro realities you know what does my community look like what is crying look like how is climate going to change like where I live but also global realities the understanding of the world whether it's blue marble or something else a projection or what a border looks like a or how what land might look like from another person's perspective and these are sort of global questions as well that I don't I don't think many professions always balance and so in
Cameron point in this album we were talking you know there's a lot of history on in this space specific to open do that I would wager that the rest of technologists are also kind of managing one is we've long managed huge datasets of people in place somebody once told me that we're the original big data before it was even named we have long considered data privacy and security again this connection of people in place has always made us think about what what it what it means to be an individual and as a group we have multiple perspectives this is you know we understand what a projection is and that the world is constantly changing it's constantly in flux as are the people that are part of it so again I
would point to a Venn diagram like we are in a sweet spot I mean I encourage us to to continue to sort of build our network internally but also to turn our perspective to a larger conversation of what it means to be in technology right now and so second last question I think
so where do you see yourself in five years
again I believe this is a famous melbourne graffiti and the
recommendation here is you know be honest be honest with everything and now it's okay not to say not to be quite sure what your own personal future may hold and I will say I've never had a five-year plan moving along I've been asked this for every job into you have ever been part of and I think this question I just don't have an answer if you do please come up and talk to me but I will say that I I do think are our future sir
best part of the future but I do you
think our future is something that we can recognize again internally when it comes to our job in open geo as well as externally of being part of this larger ecosystem is this asymmetry of power I mean who creates value who who's just there's a lot of East symmetries encounter and so I when unpacking what a cash economy could look like that we also think about these these places of power and money and so there's this with something that I
read that the move fast different things start of innovation is no longer relevant and then instead we should move purposeful for move purposeful and fix things and I again I think that for me part of why I love this community and been part of it both professionally and personally is that I think that this isn't ethos that that drives much of our work so next question Oh first of all
happy Thanksgiving to a new this amazing against street art in Melbourne knock rafidhi but down the block from where I'm staying there you are seeing a very beautiful oven with this turkey inside and so this is my celebration of Thanksgiving I encourage you all to grab some inflatable turkey and celebrate together and then you know at the end of
every interview if you get to that they asked do you have any questions for me so um workers at the world
I think we have a lot to do but also it hopefully it comes with fun along the way and and questions so high encouraging so we oh I mean I guess it
always depends on what job you're applying for and there seems to be a lot more openings for technologists that have experienced and committed to open for me open has been as much about open code open data open source protocols as well as open processes and perhaps ask am I like largest interest and commitment commitment is that were able to be transparent with each other and and both around like the areas of conflict as well as the innovation so I would say yes just a really good question do you find that what's more important know knowing the detail so don't get the technical side of things or being able to talk to others about those things being able to translate from I guess next week to Business Week I think that's a really good question and you can would turn it around it's intensive I think business leaders need to talk tech speak I think that there's like maybe similar to the kind of origins of open source that they're siloing and one of the powers of openness to bridge those silos and companies and you know replication of projects and I think that businesspeople need to partner with with technologists a lot more and they're not I mean I'm not a programmer there's no sense but I I'm sure maybe you've seen like the cartoon where a salesperson goes out and they're like it's we have everything figured out you know it's just magic and and they don't need to know the technology and sort of I think like trained ignorance is is it is as part of what's just leaving on this space like and I do think that technology should should also be partners partners equitable partners in with business leaders as well and so I wouldn't I those two things that you listed I would actually say them about the language of being able to speak with one another is the most important so if you are technologists I do encourage you to like primarily technologist I would encourage you to to have lunch with your business person and if you are a business leader to do the same with your technologists and start thinking about the bridges I do think that bridges will allow us to to solve in multiple ways this cash economy thank you for thinking about it I think some of this well it's funny I think blockchain is is a response to to where we find ourselves culturally I think that there's growing and and I know Australia has its own political complications as well I think that there's a growing distrust and again I'll point to the word just trust a growing distrust of our governments and our and the large companies that are leaving us and so thinking about decentralized and and we're part of that conversation like thinking about decentralized I think it's a response to our or left those trust I I mean I'm probably not technically deep enough to to respond to that specific question but I think I think I think that we're we're in a crisis of trust so having conferences question and write I've never encountered that question but I have worked in places where the idol ism of of why we're all there did in a line with the business that was paying her our paychecks and I we were becoming more kind of do intelligence focused I mean I'm sorry I don't know if it's in the transparency you know so that was open geo as it kind of shifted to boundless and I think boundless is is comfortable in their identification of a military contractor people who joined open to you particularly at its beginnings I don't think any of us were like we want to be and so this was a ship that we were all part of that we all you know were agent in and and I think also encouraged many of the people that joined because of a commitment to to open at its beginnings to think about and one thing that was sort of helpful for me in that conflict so again the conflict was committed to open and a little unsure about where the money was coming from like you know again this was the US military coffin and I was at Memorial in New York of Aaron Schwartz people are familiar with him he's a open source hero that passed away I'm very young and there were memorials or all over the world kind of celebrating his his work and I was at this memorial and somebody spoke about what made him such a powerful hero an advocate and community creator of open was that his ability to bridge and and that there are people that maybe on the outside of these companies and there are people like in the inside and they are not only advocates about bringing open store into the direction of the companies but of be connected to what's happening on the outside and I and I thought that it's important that in these worlds of that might be complicated there are you know they're finding so but on the other side is that this is a variance on the other side yeah that's a really good yeah I totally agree and that's maybe one of the difficult parts of people that are having history of being in an open community where there's snarkiness and criticism and complaints going into and I think there's 360 in these worlds of going into a job interview where that's not part of history in the ethos and I feel like I faced that yeah I'm not sure I have an answer because I feel like I faced that and would maybe say that whether you get the job like if you're open and 360 and you get the job I think that's a good signal if you don't get the job maybe point to that this is you know not the space that really really values both open business open code and okay they're probably in there you


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