Politics and The Surveillance State.

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The Story of a Young Politician's Efforts to Fight Surveillance and Pass the Nation's Strongest Privacy Bills.
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Orwell's concept of 1984 has more to do with government misuse of technology than technology itself. New technology allows for more opportunity, but unchecked, it allows for complete government control. Representative Daniel Zolnikov is the nation's leading politician regarding privacy and surveillance and has enacted numerous laws safeguarding fourth amendment rights regarding digital communications and technology. Daniel will walk you down the road of how political misuse of technology can and will turn the Federal Government into an unprecedented nanny state that will lead to a suppressed free flow of information and fear of stepping out of line. His story includes insights on how unique left and right coalitions were formed to pass these laws in his home state of Montana, and how he prevailed against law enforcement groups who opposed implementing warrant requirements. This discussion is aimed at sharing insights no matter your political affiliation. All of Daniel's legislation has passed with overwhelming bi-partisan support through both bodies in Montana's legislature and was signed by the governor of the opposite party. Although most speeches involving politicians tend to lead towards rhetoric, Daniel's goal is to share enough information to be able to understand why change has not taken place yet, and leave you understanding how to remedy that. His story will give you insights into the politics that states and the nation face when reforming these issues, and his down to earth approach will bring the topic down to a level of humor and easy understanding. There is no need for any technical or political insight to be able to appreciate this topic and the work Daniel has done on behalf of the more technologically savvy enthusiasts. The theme of DEF CON 26 would be inconsistent without taking into consideration policy and how it ties in closely with technology. Technology relies on policy, and policy has the implications of dictating the use of technology. The two can go hand in hand, or end up squaring up against each other. You are an important, and lesser heard voice in the world of aged politicians with limited vision. The Orwellian state existed due to a mixture of bad policies and technology. Although the theme focuses on technology used to disrupt the surveillance state, the other half of the battle is ensuring this state does not reach the disastrous conclusions of 1984. Daniel believes we can move forward with technology without living in fear of our government. If you want to have some hope and direction towards the future of policy regarding surveillance and technology, Daniel will leave you with the optimism that there is still a chance that our nation can have a balanced approach that ensures 1984 does not become the norm in the future and will help you understand how to take part in this action.
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when you're a younger person who runs for office last thing you want to do is kiss babies especially you don't have your own that just looks weird and so I don't want to go there all right my name is Daniel Zola McHale and I'm a Montana state representative and we're gonna talk about politics in the surveillance state and if there's one thing that might be a something you kind of catches all this is obscure for example I'm from a town called roundup Montana I'm 31 years old I actually first served in the legislature at 25 years old currently a chair the House Energy and Technology Committee in the State House yeah they let a Russian help dictate energy and technology policy for not only Montana but the the North West that's a scary thing especially in today's politics if you ask me I am a Republican and I may even seem crazier with this issue but I'm gonna talk about the politics on these issues and try to help clearly dictate how you can approach from both sides the aisle and hopefully pass them the laws we passed in Montana we have two year terms in Montana so again we have term limits after four terms I'm running for my fourth term the Faculty of term limits allows us to go up in influence and power quicker and that's why I get a chair of the committee do one more chairmanship and then I'm out and it also means each of our voices are a lot stronger even if we younger or newer random facts about me I am a swimmer I am a current MBA student I previously spoke at Def Con 21 where I did not do my shot so that's why I had to come back I'm half Russian I'm half Italian and that's a lot of chaos mixed in at all and last one fact is I still use a blackberry I just thought I'd throw that out there at a detective conference to just okay so why am I here what have I done what is the legislation I've worked on and passed in law a lot of politicians say what they worked on but they never talked about if it passed or not these all passed into law in 2013 I passed a bill that required a warrant for GPS location no one knew about it no one cared and then Edward Snowden came out we'll talk a little more about all these later on 2015 I passed the strongest nation to the nation's strongest stream of the press law in Montana I also passed a bill medical immunity for minors that has nothing to it this speech but it's a really good bill that if you're under 21 and dying you can align one no one gets an MIP you just get them to the hospital co-sponsored asset forfeiture until the 15 as well also intelligent 17 more recently I carried a bill that required a warrant for electronic devices all devices that bill is state law in Montana carried a bill that required a warrant or Fourth Amendment subpoena requirements which was like a special kind of subpoena that had appalled a Fourth Amendment for electronic communications that passed into law I put severe limits on license plate readers in Montana that passed into law and did major reforms and restrictions for vehicle spot checks in Montana also law so we're gonna go through a series thank you I'm actually just here to get you guys to move to my state and invest in a big tech companies and things along those lines especially like skiing and hiking shameless promotion for Montana so first and fourth amendment I know some of us I'm gonna cover you're gonna know a little bit about and that's fine I just am doing it just it's nice to touch on it again First Amendment protects us freedom of speech religion press assembly and to petition the government I am a way you'd call a liberty conservative or a constitutional conservative very similar lines where I like the Constitution and I like all I think all of it I like all the Constitution I'm especially the Bill of Rights is what I focus on so First Amendment freedom of speech the nation is founded on the concept that we can share ideas be who we want do what we want with our lives before you want to go into technology you can do it education you can do it it doesn't matter we have opportunity here and the idea to talk and have conversations is huge in this nation the Fourth Amendment prevents the government from unreasonable searches and seizures of their houses on them their cars papers and effects and you need probable cause for that well without probable cause you know the government's listening looking watching and you're more likely to censor your freedom of speech express discuss talk live and now you are no longer in a free society so why isn't our data ours and this is why the Fourth Amendment doesn't apply to our data is
third party doctrine which is a legal theory states that your information really isn't yours if I send you a text message it goes through Verizon Verizon is the third party now there's no expectation of privacy through that digital communication and through court cases and legal doctor legal theory this isn't considered your email or your private information anymore you shared it with somebody that's why your data can be massed collected by government agencies there are also outdated laws from the 80s a little bit updated in the 90s that also have very limited
protections of your digital communications also the Patriot Act of which I would like to rather say the
unpatriotic is the expanded government's ability to monitor collect and retain the data of Americans and then they don't do it then they can delay or not even notify you of some of these searches so your data technically is just not yours and that Liat led to these other problems technically covered that data is not yours so then we have the NSA who of course we all learned five years ago and continuously the mass data collection of your digital communications and then there are private companies that took part in this through back door channels the Microsoft Google Yahoo Facebook YouTube Skype Apple they all participated so there's a problem of you have your data it's not considered yours and now through large companies that's siphoned into a database of the federal government to simplify this I know it gets a lot more technical but let's just keep it simple then there's secret courts that are supposed to have checks and balances over the government which of course we know these secret courts the court that secret has not opened the public the public cannot be critical and hold them accountable when nobody really knows plus the people who are appointed on the secret court appointed by a Supreme Court justice who's appointed by a president so there's like three or four levels of not being accountable to the people once again and from the the late seventies to the early 2013 Court rejected like 11 out of 33,000 requests all I know it was a very low number which means they were rubber stamping basically every request then the national deal DEA license plate and facial recognition tracking program is
another one that came out a few years ago that we learned about through the ACLU FOIA requests from information act that the DEA had a national database of your driving information so if you are a local individuals we're in Las Vegas driving around you are likely having your picture taken with these license plate readers either on vehicles or on bridges and infrastructure of your vehicle of their license plate and of the people in it this is me taking pictures of you so they're just taking these pictures all the time well a lot of times local law enforcement worked with national agencies they upload the data and so even if there's good rules of the data short term in your state this data is being uploaded nationally into a database that's forever and can connect all the license plates across the country and the people in the vehicles and that's permanent and we don't know what's happening with it and how big of a database and words going so not my favorite not my favorite route of where the third party doctrine has led us and then we've got people what this is like the worst thing this just bothers me completely is we have nothing to hide i there's there's a so many philosophies based on the freedom of speech and expression that we kind of talked about already but there are major problems with self-censorship first off if you have nothing to hide you're probably really boring and habit lived a single day of your life because I don't know how about you but I have a lot to hide right like I went to college I had a great time [Music] let me get a good example of the problems of self-censorship so we're driving in rural Montana which I'll you will one day visit I hope and your radio is on just some great like eighty song pops on that you love and you just crank it up there's nobody out there there's nobody listening is nobody watching your windows are down because it's not a hundred degrees like it is here you're just cruising and you just start singing that song and you don't care and you sing that song when you just scream because you know you have the best voice right put that same person in a scenario in a city say Las Vegas driving down the street and their favorite song comes on and they crank it up and they start singing they look over and somebody's looking at them they're most likely going to turn the volume down and maybe not scream at the top of their lungs because it's their favorite song in the world that is a form of censorship because when you know somebody's watching you you change your actions even if you don't know you actually changed your actions and that applies to government so if I'm having a conversation with you then we can talk about whatever you want you bring a microphone in it I'm a politician I might censor myself a little bit you know I know that my phone is recording everything I'm saying in a national database you will most likely keep that in the back of your mind you may not censor a lot if you're talking about what pizza you're gonna get who cares if you're talking about something else that's knowns business some idea whatever that will likely force you to change your actions if you're change your actions due to the fear and threat of government you are no longer in as free of a country as you thought you were and that means you're reacting out of fear even if it's a fear that has not led to any logical conclusions yet it's something to keep in mind another thing I wanted to touch on was Montana literally a hundred years ago had some of the worst Sedition Acts in the country where if you spoke German you were beaten you're arrested beaten and imprisoned if you said you didn't support the war you arrested being imprisoned if you if you said some of the companies had horrible conditions for work and labor your Sabine and imprisoned and so really bad laws were you were not allowed to have anything say anything if you didn't buy bonds then you were also considered like maybe treasonous really bad so in a hundred years we wanted to we were basically able to go from the worst one of the worst states in the nation which these laws were passed federally for a period of time to to literally one of the best states in the nation regarding having some solid privacy rights the last thing I want to touch on is you may have nothing to hide but one day you might we only know what we know and what we lived through but all scenarios change all governments change in history is proof that everything that has ever existed thousand years ago has changed and almost 500 years ago forty years ago in forms of governments they always change okay so we're going to touch on some quick historical examples of why this is relevant today at least in the last 50 years first one j edgar Hoover he had documents information on congressmen senators and he would leverage them and say hey we know you had sex with this person over here you really don't want your wife to know or your voters to know so please do what we want that happened in our government which means that our legislative branch the voice of the people was actually not truly representing the people as representing fear at one point now it's not like Jade Gruber was asking for a lot at all these times but the whole concept was our our government was hijacked for a period time out of fear even presidents feared the guy and he tried to blackmail Martin Luther King jr. to stop with sex tapes actually that did not stop him but one person with data can do crazy scary things in our country Watergate is just
proof how political parties will do whatever they can to collect obtain data on their adversaries or enemies or their their opposition to beat them this speech after I give it if it's uploaded or whatever it will be sought through will be gone through they'll be looking for me to say one or two lines that I said something wrong or dumb which I say that all the time so they have plenty of material last ones East Germany with in the you know East Germany was the part that though that was held by communist Russia and with the Stasi and they were only able to tap 40 phones at a time they were able to silence and keep an entire country or at least that region in the country in fear of their government where people would actually tell on their families and friends very scary very scary but real example so we kind of talked about how to use these tools to take over the world but they are there they're real because you have a huge amount of data on everybody in this room and everybody in the special people run for office you have examples of how data was used to blackmail leverage expose discredit individuals and as you
know in politics today I know it's very favorite topic but you get one person who can bend the the oversight or access that information they could stop anybody they want to and that is a real thing that's not like some conspiracy theory if you had a if you're in that powerful position you could stop anybody politically so there were some limits and standards worth imposing I would love the data to be deleted if it's not how about we do what this country is based on which was checks and balances required with records of searches of the mass data collected who searched it why were they searching at some point release this collected information and ensure that that way knowing that what you searched and who you search and why you search is released one day we'll know that one day you'll be held
accountable so you might think twice about what you do today have a better court system that is overseeing this either have it have a more public process or again more transparent one have burdens of proof for the data that is requested for when people's information is being sought through through these mass databases that there's Fourth Amendment standards or notification standards if you're ever if your informations ever sawed through to see if you were involved in criminal activities with your cell phone number and the messages or your email or whatever they use have notification standards to ensure that one day you're gonna know so unless they really know you're guilty of something they're gonna think twice these are pretty solid and easy and basic limits and standards worth considering considering so story time I ran for office at 25 I knocked a lot of doors I knocked doors for four months I called for called people for months I had to raise money it was a great time it's something that I wish everybody else would acknowledge and appreciate because you think of politicians you
think these guys who are mean like money and doing all these evil deeds but it is a lot of it is is not glamorous put it this way it is a lot of a loan and you're trying to just talk to people and knock on doors and get elected so you can actually do something good especially the newer politicians like not newer as in the guys who used to run but someone who's new and running for the first time there's a lot of idealism behind that and a lot of effort and they're challenging an entire system that they've never really experienced most likely before so every state's different my state's a smaller state other states are larger some have donation limits some represent more people some represent less people some rural some are of urban more urban
states anyone can run but keeping that in mind if people do run it is smart to have a strategy not plan I know a lot of people were like I'm gonna run I'm gonna go talk to people people are gonna care about what I say and then they're gonna like me and I'm gonna get elected and really it's no you got to obtain fundraising and you have to use that to market yourself because people care about the presidential race maybe the governor race but our bottom lesser races they kind of go by the wayside so you have to have a strategy every has a plan to get elected and change the world you gotta have a strategy so I'm going to talk about a little bit my experiences I befriended befriended colleagues on both sides the aisle when I first was elected I just didn't like politics by like people so I was I just saw no reason not to be friend somebody's super far left I am pretty conservative Liberty there's people in the middle on both sides and it was very valuable and it was not a strategy you just look that I try to do a privacy bill rights gels in 13 it failed said your dad is yours you need consent to collect there's got to be security it was well intended but not well written so where it landed was probably worse
should've but the lobbyists want to make an example of me because I told them I don't like them in other words and I just created a reputation that I am NOT easy to work with and that it's not true I'm very easy to work with if you don't lie to me and you negotiate so I make sure whatever bill I'm working on gets 90% of what I want yeah okay so but then I talked to a Democrat senator who's like Daniel your bill failed we really like what you attempted to do or I like what you attempt to do so why don't you try to do a GPS warrant requirement bill and I said okay and so Democrats knew I didn't care about like working my way up Republicans knew that I have pre conservative values especially like taxes and I really like our freedoms a lot enough passionately to basically ruin my political career in three weeks of being elected so I think that basically not being I mean this uses motto for life but don't be a dick like that applies to life but it also applies really well politics because it gave me a really good simple bill that we ended up passing in Montana being the first one to pass it 2015 went back and I was like and I had a whole slew of
these privacy bills that needed to have good precedent set nationally and the one that ended up passing was the freedom of the press for privacy saying the digital communications of the press cannot ever be obtained there are no exceptions they can never be obtained the frame of the press is the watchdog of the government although it's very partisan and biased and probably not doing as well the job is it could be from when this it was historically written without it we look like North Korea where you don't know anything and the only government or the only media here is state-sponsored and that's never good it's never good so that bill ended up passing my warrants for devices and digital communications bill failed 2015 later pass entails in seventeen but that ended up failing because of politics and the there was a lot of misinformation from prosecutors and law enforcement how if we pass these bills like we're never gonna catch rape victims and I don't know make up the argument that's what I had to defend against the bill on limits on license plate readers and spot check legislation that also failed there were some people on the other side aisle who tried to leverage my vote which I did not give up there were some people on my side of the aisle who just thought I was a arrogant Punk and they wanted to put me in my place and I can't really always argue with the guys on my side the aisle sometimes I can be a little bit of a punk but I don't think they should kill legislation based on my personality they thought they should have so I'm going to tell you one thing I spoke at Def Con 21 Edward Snowden came out it was realized I passed the first privacy bill of its type in the nation five years ago Forbes put me on there 30 under 30 list and all of a sudden I got more positive national press than anybody else in Montana politics that's not a bragging thing well I'm telling you that is it helped me because people wanted to take me out politically they wanted to remove me from office and I was not removed because you can't take out the guy who's getting all the positive press in your party and so something is a conservative guys were more on my side there was just some of the other guys who were not and a lot of the industry was not so the power of Def Con 21 is actually what allowed me to come back up here with successes that that are going to talk about a few minutes so thank you all
so one thing about this legislation though that I realizes the importance of model state legislation we passed that GPS privacy bill other states started passing that GPS privacy bill and there was a proof that we can do it successfully so Montana being that passed in that bill was about Utah then passing it in Maine and then passing it and as well some of you may or may not know tells an eighteen the supreme case Supreme Court case ruling stated that there is a warrant there should be and redeems there is a warrant requirement for GPS location to obtain that which means that the entire country is now under that that that ruling so one state it can create a whole precedent so next was my third term so I
didn't explain one thing we serve four months every other year so we had to do all these bills in four months every other year so I actually only had a year to do these bills and we actually only have two months to pass it through our body and then the other body so it's like very time crunch period so a third term I know election are the second most expensive primary my seat became more conservative because as redistricting so I had a very expensive lot primary with industry at law enforcement basically anybody from the contractors hospitals the utilities a lot of money spent against me because they knew if I won I
would first stop I'm going to keep trying to my privacy bills and also I'd be the chair of the Energy and Technology Committee Montana is an energy state that wasn't some people's ideal result and they didn't that's not who they wanted to be chairing that committee so again with term limits I won that election I got to chair that committee and when you're chairing a committee people are a lot nicer to you because they know something of theirs might go through that committee in the near future so it's amazing how some of these bills have a lot less there is a lot less leverage for my bow the house floor because people are like yeah that's a bad idea let's this leave Daniel alone and bother somebody else so nice nice termites do have their benefits right so 2017 these are the bills I kind of touched on but we passed the warrant requirement for digital communications and there was i some of these model bills that are now in law and montana there had to be a few meeting a little bit in the middle like notification was ninety ever was six wait six months versus three months of notification standards if they ever go through digital communications there are some other things along those lines but I still think it's a pretty solid model bill on Montana passed more requirements for devices you know warrant to go through electronic devices they can't pull you over say are you texting let me go through your phone that's and that's not gonna happen in my state it's like legally it can't happen or your computers or whatever and we define devices as things that haven't
been invented yet either that's not what it says in the definition but it's a very broad definition a lot of times when you passed laws you make the definitions too tight to not apply to the future I did not want to do that then license plate readers we never had we did not have these yet new state and my state but they were trying to get these put into the place and so I worked with the with the one of the main guys and law enforcement in the state and probably one of the most reasonable guys he's like Daniel why do you want to ban these like national like databases of where we've driven in Montana and like in montana being applied like and held
forever by our federal government I don't want to take any part of that so with the exception of a few certain things like kidnappings they could be used the data is collected ninety days I think at max whoever goes through the data has to be recorded of who of what data they went through why they went through it and then if any other any other law enforcement group wants to obtain that information they have to get a warrant so the the sheriff's office once the police departments have to get a warrant the federal government wants the state state police department or one of the police departments have to get a warrant with the defined license-plate number they're looking for that way they can't go to war for all the information ever it's the warrant of just one license plate so that's either means they have to do a few million requests daily or they aren't going to get our information and hopefully they're not I think you I don't I'm not a prosecutor so maybe there's some loophole I miss but I try to basically say you could use it for very close limited things but not for pulling somebody over because they have a license like a license that's expired or something like it's not really the big crimes were worried about so that's the license plate reader law that's in place than vehicle spot checks we really reform those so you can't just pull
people over I keep that has nothing to a technology but it has to do with the civil liberty side of things and then also this whole time I was working on like the handfuls of energy policy that we're good some remove special laws from huge corporations which I know a lot of people in this this group would probably like so passing the bills this is a little bit more important this is where I could becomes more applicable to you if you want to apply it in the future so my question here is what do gun groups the ACLU like family like christian organizations hackers citizens and i forgot to add in their libraries have in common those were the people who supported my legislation so unique coalitions are key so let me say again you got gun groups and aclu and like family organizations and hacker systems and libraries that is the island of misfit toys politically like [Music] you want to talk about like a funky like family dinnertime where the nobody should have even been there and had a conversation that's what my committees were looked like when you had prosecutors who've been doing it for 15 years could argue could really influence you got the Department of Justice you have members of law enforcement who else do we have those were the main ones that showed up in opposition and they they were good they were very good what they did there was a lot of misinformation they would lead the argument wolf my kid got kidnapped and you didn't have this in place and this could really go and we couldn't catch these people when the whole argument would go into like license plate readers that aren't even in place yet so it's like well if we don't have something in place that's not in place yet how could that impact you catching the person who's guilty so I had to defend against these impossible arguments or the whole like so there's distractions or they're just build-up arguments where they burn the whole thing down and all I was saying was all I'm doing is this requesting a Fourth Amendment warrant requirement you can email you can get it this is like for the the war requirements for devices you can email the judge they can sign it in minutes they could send it back to you boom that's it not really some crazy stuff like I'm not saying you can't ever access this information just do it the proper way so one thing with I'm going to touch I think with the yeah unique coalition's a
little bit later but that goes back to be nice to people there is a lot of Republicans who would never talk to the ACLU and there's a lot of Democrats who wouldn't talk to the family groups you'd be surprised somewhere along the lines what you have in common we have 95% of everything in common I don't care if your politics are diametrically opposed you're a member of the NSA and love every second of it we still have almost everything in common I know it's a crazy statement to hear but it is it is very true I'll touch on that a little bit later our efforts so there were a lot of it's become a privacy technology expert I I'm not I'm not a natural public speaker reading isn't my favorite thing especially technical reading especially technical reading of laws especially then looking up toward cases and amending up learning how to negotiate all these things I had to teach myself over for five years so when somebody came up to me with an argument I was able to stand up and have the reasoning understanding and oppose it we don't have staff in my state we don't have personal staff so I had to learn it all negotiate it all and get on the ground call people out in committee Lobby the votes do all the work it wasn't like the lot of politicians come up their staff do 90% of the work they're the one the staff are talking to their constituents know I had a ten minute little break I'm on my computer emailing back my constituents while in session then sitting back down spilling in the hallway negotiating a bill that were pretty big pieces of legislation emailing people out till 9:00 or 10:00 tonight with new amendments getting it to the people to get them written legally for our bill drops and then going back at it in the morning non-stop so basically had to become a privacy technology and legislative expert one thing is there were groups who showed up like I mentioned there
were groups who did not show up I talked about the ACLS ACLU showed up other tech groups that you think are very helpful weren't even in the room or even the state so I was trying to pass some good precedents they didn't show up I won't call them out just to be respectful but I am they almost actually won't point derailed my legislation and it infuriated me since I've been working on for four years so here's here's what we got we have multiple model bills for your states and that's good regarding government but here's my main failures I try to amend a bill saying you cannot collect browser data I am that failed 52 to 48 48 to 52 on the House floor I believe your data belongs to you it's like my philosophy that's weird in politics but your data is your personal information and if it's obtained just ask for consent so we're gonna be working on a bill like that
more and it's more provides peas not edge providers and consent to collect is huge and also the other one that I'm gonna be putting more of my political capital into is biometric data I firmly believe even more than personal data personal browsing data that biometric data is complete your completely your property I'm working on the legislation I've got some other people working on that I think it would go through my committee so at least I'd have a chance a good chance of going through half the legislature see that's what happens when you get people in power for too long they start to move bills through their committee but hopefully I think that's a really good precedent policy that we could pass in Montana so what drives politicians influence power change anger political involvement some people want to influence an industry that they're part of they think it's the best way to do it some people just want power they were treated poorly as a child and now it's their way to get back with the world who knows I don't know their family background but people want power and you can see it they just they just you feel it they want that influence if there's an edge they're gonna find it some people truly want to make change some people are just angry at the whole system and the angry people are harder to work with because they're angry and they want to be angry at you and at everybody and then there's people who have been following politics their whole life and then they buy into the rhetoric of both sides and so they are just there's through political involvement that they're driven and they listen to their left-wing or right-wing media all the time and that's so there's those are the five major points I'd say drives politicians one thing that keep in mind if you ever talk to politicians in your state about these issues because that's what I'd like you to do you'd be surprised how much influence you have as an individual on your politician is there are hundreds of issues people run for energy education health care transportation taxes family issues gun issues I don't care there are hundreds of issues hundreds of issues and a lot of the people who are elected or older so your issues my issues aren't really relevant to them they're not as important to them that doesn't mean they're not important issues that means that they don't just study all hundreds of issues they kind of focus on their the sabaeans focus is another one in my legislature I focus on technology issues and other and energy issues in the another people focus on healthcare and education all along all across the board but to expect people to care about your issue is it's it's not a fair expectation yes there's a lot of issues yes it's your job to know about them but to be an expertise to be like why are you don't you have Fourth Amendment standards on my digital communications they're gonna be like what are you even talking about because it's just not an issue really that people would know about and you have to be okay with that so then you can sit down and explain it with explain to them what you're talking about and why it's important there are political issues versus policy issues political issues are in the news crazy rhetoric policy issues can be political issues but sometimes they're just like how do we make the budget really fun this group and what's going on over here and this tax is not bringing in a lot of money and this one's bringing a lot more and we have like extra surplus here and then pretty soon gets really wonky and nobody really wants to talk about it because it's really boring so political issues can be trendy but they're not the same as policy issues and political issues usually are the extremes on both sides so if you jump on board with that you're gonna be missing the policy side it's okay to not follow the trends it's even better to do legislation that's not trendy no one's really talking about the some of the legislation we talked about here and that's okay because it's not partisan it's okay because no one's really talking about it so it's not like if a Republican stands up for it a Democrats gonna be against it in other words it's not political it's not full of partisan politics there's a chance that people could be like this is an easy bill we can all support and push it through so the fact it's not political is on your side if you use it that way one last thing to remember with politicians say I have five bills I have my two priority bills I know they're popular I know they're important I know I can get it passed then I got three or four other bills maybe two or four constituents one's kind of important it's a technology bill that is important to some constituents who bothered me but it's not my major priority I'm just using that as an example my lyrical capital is gonna be focused on my most important bills to me which means you could be leveraged you could
have your be trading votes you could be just asking the committee to pass these ones because the more you ask the more they kind of get annoyed with you it matters per state how they do their politics cutting deals is always there's all the stuff behind the scenes you'll never see but there is so much political capital so when someone's like oh this guy sold out well maybe he did for great things or she did great for great things and then like the other two things they didn't end up passing was it just was not politically feasible and it's really hard to put it into words but it's something to keep in mind that there is a limit on how much and what you can push through a legislature having said that I just pushed my political capital to the max I tried to everything because we're only there for a few months from I'm only alive for a hundred years or less so nozzles go all-in and results in primary elections so maybe be smarter than me if you ever do this partisanship so I kind of talked about this a little bit but politicians divide and conquer the electorate if you are married to a political party completely I mean I ran for office so it's maybe a little bit different but if you're married to one really question it question what drove you question the rhetoric I see so many times people jump on the board with one political party because one issue they don't know much about the other issues so they just follow and jump on board with it completely like I know social issues really drives people either side the aisle we don't go into details on the issue but if you're pro-life or pro-choice you tend to say these are really important to me and then you just look at these other issues say these are my guys on my side and you know what we got a I agree with their issues as well so you have one or two main issues and people jump on board the political party and pretty soon they're married to the everything the florica party has and what happens is you lose your independence as an individual and a voter when it becomes of that and you're actually playing into a game where you're divided and conquered do not lose that independence that is a that's the independent vote is the most valuable vote so many if I maintain that you can have a little bit more influence is what I would suggest let me grave a great example of politics sorry I'm just I'm trying to cover a lot of information there is let me give the best example blue lives matter and black lives matter okay I'm not going to talk about the politics ones right or wrong and that's not what I'm here to do I do think it's a very funny example that blue lives matter are the people who support law enforcement but it's usually the right side of the aisle who hates more government and more laws in their life yet they strongly support the guys enforcing the laws while black lives matter is the group that tends to be more laws I'm doing some stereotypes of this work with me they do they want they're usually more Democrat leaning they want more laws in place but then they don't like the guys who are enforcing the laws as much so you see the irony in politics and nobody even questions it you got the one group who's on one side but they're really fighting their own ideas and you got the other group who's on this side and they're really fighting some of their own ideas over here it's a crazy concept so in Montana we passed Mosul's laws would fit under the blue lot or the black lives matter mantra of politics that we want more rights for people to make sure that if they're arrested they're following the right procedures but instead of jumping on that like political partisan division path these were sold as constitutional bills as well because they are they are First Amendment Fourth Amendment mostly Fourth Amendment even that fit the same argument in California of what the black lives matter group was doing the difference is is my approach wasn't saying this is a constitutional conservative issue I'm just saying we're following the Constitution we left all the division out of it so although some of the people on the Left would say you know this really fits with what's going on politically the people on the right were like these are really good constitutional bills that are worth and putting into law if I'm saying anything it's don't jump on a bandwagon too early because there are reasons why it's leading you down that path and it is not always for it's there's usually some reason behind it and just don't don't be blinded by it okay partisan politics invokes partisan behavior here's a whole nother thing tribalism you are let's say I'm the Republican there's a Democrat they say he's a Republican before stop they're opposing my election so that's like we don't like
those guys second off they were they like other therefore the exact opposite of the beliefs that I want so now it's like anything I say I don't like third off they're just these greedy people and we don't like them so they found reasons to just like somebody before they even met them so but their party helped them raise money help them knock on doors help them win and now they're all working together on common issues what you have is tribalism where you hate the other person and you really like your people when what you lost was your ability to question the people internally what they're going for and figure out if you have any common ground across the aisle our politics right now is huge differences where you can't even trust and there's very limited dialogue my legislation all passed because I had people on both sides out jump on board with me and say this is good legislation because I did not adhere to tribalism and follow those basic rules of this is my team and I hate that team if you have that mindset politically this is this type of legislation will never move forward this legislation can move forward in the US Senate in Congress at the Patrick Leahy is Rand Paul's and the Mike leaves and the what Wyden organ if those guys really spearheaded it and held back their political capital together thing as Allah those guys literally hate each other and so it's hard when you have a coalition of people who can agree with the idea but they sometimes can't get past personalities and tribalism and like I said keep this issue nonpartisan if do not make it a
one group or another group they especially if it's a more of a liberal legislature that you know that it follows more with like I said black lives matter concept it was more conservative one these are complete conservative issues you're not lying to either group you're not you're not like telling them half a story you were just talking somebody how they want to be spoken to and the way that they can relate to what you're doing the last thing well last things is force
politicians to listen so people think of federal politics is everything but state politics is everything we make a lot of rules and we are very accessible so you can literally sit down with almost any state representative or senator some of them are not the nice people but a lot of them you can reach out to ask their office and say I want to meet them on I talk to more 15 minutes you can talk about these issues that are important to them you say these guys should represent me but most people don't ever reach out to them they don't even know who their representatives and Senators senators are at the state level so make them represent you here the Constituent is literally your job to figure it out ask them to hear you make especially more importantly make it politician in a tight election earn your vote if you say hey I know you're running I know this is expensive race this is important to me they're so likely to placate and give you their support on an issue that's not important to them you can literally get them on your side get their support and if the bill comes up hold them accountable you can do that so a tight election is very powerful for you again be persistent but do not be offensive do not insult these people they don't listen to that doesn't get you anything it actually makes you look obnoxious and makes your issue look obnoxious and it makes their support of your issue or opposing you a lot easier for them so be persistent call call call just don't be rude if they don't care you can always challenge them for office you can make it the main issue while you're running and if they don't do what you want people like you on Facebook it's their solution it's not a solution it makes you feel good but it's not the best way to do it I would go and use opinion editorials and papers write something and say this guy they well he wants the government going through your emails you know who wants the government going through their emails and phones nobody because everybody's got something to hide again unless they're really boring um what you talked about so then the last thing is politicians fear controversy they hate to be bothered they hate to have something so this is an easy thing to for them to support or they're never gonna lose a vote or gain a boat really so you want to make it so it's easy for them to vote for and not easy for them to vote against and go hide but it's very easy for them to go it for and just be left alone if you ever push any of these types of legislation just the last thing is expecting them to know better is never because sometimes it's don't know about these issues it's not even in their generation so then go a little bit further I have a cement there to left
but identified the bill sponsor you got off somebody carry the bill in the legislature that's really important to do and then organize you need to just contract contact the people contact committee members of where the bill would go through and you could get support of this type of legislation work with groups all the other group that's very helpful was the senator freedom democracy and technology with this legislation they gave me the original model bills before they were like in law so that I got to kind of disrupt so work with groups doesn't matter what your politics are find the commonality and in the end testify I've worked on legislation for people who didn't show
up to testify that's really annoying it's kind of please if you ever do this and have somebody working on so legislation testify this is the last slide why you matter this is a little bit different everything else we talked about regarding technology if technology is used inappropriately it could really ruin our republic and it could put a lot of fear into people so I think this law or this quote is proper when law and morality contradict each other but the citizen has the crew alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law so in other words if you're gonna follow a bad law you might lose your morality but if you refuse to follow that law you lose respect to the law but you know what you might actually be some of the most important people if if the worst case scenario comes into fruition so with that thank you for having me and I appreciate having this opportunity [Applause]