The Critical Making Movement

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The Critical Making Movement
How using critical thinking in technological practice can make a difference
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Critical Thinking + Making = Critical Making. Around the world, academics and grassroots communities alike are engaging in critical making. With roots in critical design and critical engineering, etc., the point is to re-politicise making, help people understand that it needs to be more than printing cheap plastic knickknacks and can be used for activism and social innovation to improve peoples' lives.
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I thank you very much for yours attention [Applause]
My name is and I am a good one example for many things about the regime has just talked to now your criticism i am a technology man i am the Technology type from india i work in singapore but i am
a make-up my real job is
i work in digital in the digital journalism but I am too member in many and organizations Report about you and my approach how to should deal with technology is that
one should use technology to good to do that's what matters most to me the area between is interesting digital and hardware because there are to discover it a lot in particular internet of things me
would like to talk about it here now many and I think that there are many here in the room gives the same excited
But what are things about? make and we want to technology watch more helms like that
that is to say as an above all tangible and simple and we are looking for now a digital 1 for a digital one recipe very similar to that you used to eat
for example, a raspberry pi so a raspberry cake So I like to do hardware too when my day jobs is more digital but it is much more real than something
digital the hardware with i am one does a make up and this is now maybe something the people know technology is too much it goes always wrong but that's it interesting the exciting thing though things Do not work like that when you like it to expect and something new here
I'm also a fan of 3d printed garbage but it does not always have to be nonsense i am of course a star wars fan and
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fun because you are not just with the idea Rethinking something plays as well plays with the thing that you did
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activates the toy It's not just limited to buttons one can use a brace dresses clip it to the clothes for hang dry and you do not have a button
ready to do it There are different switches that are the four we invented yes The doorbell is often used in homes in singapore the clothespin little crocodile clamp and so a touch lamp it's all the same basic idea with the prevent common and dependent on the skills of each person
you can make these the idea behind it is that you look so we learn along the way worked this tool and you as nurse and physiotherapist, etc which is not usually the time one
formal education with something like that for invites only one finger course join but this context the modify and hack it will be interesting and incidentally you learn how
he worked with this tool what is fun and that's the cool thing about it you have those little toys in there mass produced and if you can she turns it on then they stop and as soon as you have such a small switch they are interactive and sudden
Do you have that feeling of control that someone with disability often it does not have any problems with that feedback is what is just great the fact that you are purely for fun something can control that's 4 this is our group like that we usually look like and ours
toys are also there that need always help and support i believe the potential in this room is phenomenal especially what we can do Engineers good is a non-profit the two people actually stops registered non-profit association and are always open for donations
You can contact us at these addresses Contact and that's all I am have at the moment completely
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big microphone 1 I have the very much enjoyed the presentation here and me have a question to the audience who would think of it here or who could imagine working in asia one of this organization whoever is interested in china contact me later so I was
actually wondering or have thought about how can you can imagine handicapped people imagine how hard this is for disabled is we would i would me Now, what was your bigger interest biggest surprise that had now in this project for example so that you thought so then I have
not at all thought that's it a very good question So what made me do it doing was one I did a voluntary job and i was a bit in my mundane just a day everyday jobs and I've always about thought that I just stop simple software engineer is me and i I accidentally stumbled over it can hang toys and then I have actually thought you can do it too not just how we heal it physically make software by software and one notes that this just fits in very well software world where the feces for free and then you get one anyway want to modify and thus money can get but with something touchable that does it will be so right real that is incredible So that gives me so much Profit for your life and you'll see just that what you do digitally
can also really make real unbelievably cool we have one more further question thanks for the talk i still have
a question to both of you so it says that he works with books and i have a question regarding the kitty kathie making how can we really change others people narrative the critical may teach kings so that they understand that a whole lot of things are told is about making that is actually only So not really making is but that's not really about it technology and not about it to think critically that you can not So that one also about excluded people continue so from technology Involve excluded people can and how to do that to young people you can suggest the technology can change and how to get a part of his own may be the I have such a few ideas I should repeat the question
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thing where we are right at the beginning are I think that people with the critical thinking critical making interact that they are trying to make the difference in terms of engineering and we are already so more or less big big at different universities and us think that you can do it sooner It should start that one is that one game book should give the critically critical making game book for children so that you can not be behind but you have to intervene Why can class work earlier ? you could not do that in the major spaces Stop teaching children directly to integrate that but the problem is of course that many majors did not both children interact and not at all concentrate on it but that is another step would be about that what they do now, but I think so we as parents have world if so we are parents here, we have just that a great opportunity that directly to start at home and so small critical questions regarding for example, to provide technology why do not I know something in mine Phone is where these parts come from how does that affect me and me? teach that to a technical university but then we ask ourselves how we bring our children from the smartphones gone and some people die then start thinking about it I think there are good possibilities only People have to start doing that to do ok I agree with it but still time to answer the question there is definitely still the need for more of this more skillful stories like these we have now a few of them shared with you but it is only a small one small part of what there is but People need something that is they can relate to but can leave again in relation in southeast asia there was not really that contact in this region in particular not the contact to the children there Of course there is a whole lot of stories to be told but we still need that search after good content to those we can pass on and it is a very interesting one a very interesting retro movement which is taking place is its parent Of course, often just reduced just give them a screen child quietly calm but critical thinking Critical making must also be a part being a childrens education not only that children on the screen are watching what we do looking at us is of course also very interesting namely the comic book format that seems pretty good too not only work in digital but also printed kids like printed comic strips and for example in instagram format and there is a bit of the retro style move to these from printed comics
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is pretty similar I wonder We always somehow already see that right problems I mean, everything here is focused on a rather limited group of technically interested group of humans and I do not understand yet quite the problem or the perceived problems of the simple worker so so My question is how can we get out come out of this very educated bubble and produce things or things think of those for these people that's interesting too interesting question I have half of mine Christmas time spent with my family exactly these things too and I have to be honest say I do not know we live in our own bubble like that like that said and that is such a different bubble and there are so many of them the changes we can make could possibly drip down in the lives of other people and we have to be with ours from our high level and technology we produce a bit of a down but otherwise I do not know I have no real answer to that but I can say something for me I think that works out my comfort zone to go out and has very unexpected consequences for example, the part of the design Rogers that we have is that you have one ideal, for example, instead of simply only this trickle down water full hire that you design directly at the step in the right direction must and everything that was necessary for me was that I realize that I'm in a bubble seats realize that and do something about it thank you very much
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my question goes into a similar one probably more tailored to the people here at You might introduce congress if i have german hacker if German Mecca of the area so far want to give notice because it is me personally and also the society I bring a lot where do I go then so except to talk to you that's what the german hacker tells me At the end I am going to intensive summer courses gone by way of seven studies berlin I think there is not that much of it swiss moment not here in germany and that's one of mine research questions i would like to case study schober critical making in Germany write I find it difficult and I ask myself whether it is a certain level or one lack of democracy gives the for future maggie is needed where the people are just take things into your own hands must and the innovation itself for have to push so so from respectively the white 7 studio is It's about politics and it's about studying very close to critiker making and it is a good starting point here in singapore there are few options not it is only a lack of option just more attention but there are nice overlaps between art and science and it it seems to me that artist Scientist of this species question on so next try artist with the boat to pick up but I grad Realizes events like these are here pluralistic are included are principle for the vehicle peter fresh so that that is my experience of the last days how this congress came together like this is and just looks the england since is that the angels for the perfect then I volunteer and you open up to ideas that he otherwise do not know what angels now to expect how important where you are to find what problems to read here I think that's a good one to start off it is only the way to intercept maybe when frank congress is hacker spaces it was actually more politically Be engaged as only a normal maker spaces so maybe i had Recently a good discussion in the hacker space and they said hey if we ago want to come and do the same then it's okay we do not really know what you are talking about speak or what you want from us but you can do it yourself and not a foil where do you charge a microphone
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tension was the tension between first and second presentation So I understand that this is political but I wonder how much space left The only thing left is that that was it how can you be critical in particular in the field of scientific Publication that means effect the validation of such practices, etc So third making yes I believe that nice at critical technical practice that is what is in the end does not come out of the items you have to be successful create something new what millions buy people most of it is market free exploration of technologies and is free to play is free sometimes something wrong to hit maybe all monsters too created or just a monster too created when I want to think that is [Music] I think in the making generally heard fail or make something funny what was the second part of the question there is scientific publications what impact did that work policy making in fact, so scientific seen That's why I'm in border area like my research because they make their own settle and that 's just one fantastic as it is in jesus we want to build our own world
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Everything except fine chic last that's the opposite of graz for me and disabled people build their own applications and are also looking for Financing and it is only so possible you really need people is involved in this inclusive Men's wisdom and impulsiveness but also the financing worked must be somehow saved is always problems but money for it is there established models and the work yes thank you i believe is social heroes really a fantastic group of People and yes you need financing for it you need it somehow reinvent for the whole world for the People who do something good for others People that they do not always fight for it need to find money and their own bills to pay your day
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personally very relevant to me I am a therapist for people who Disabilities have adults and children I wonder you work with wax therapists yes with engineer god yes Here we form the trainers of us do not work directly with the users supported devices should we work with your therapist or It's a skills race for your caregivers Although so thing like Heckmann thing like soldered to things like you still thinking something according to what common these workshops it happened that these therapists or Prosecutor learn this new skill and they immediately start thinking what Can I do anything else ? otherwise in the eu i can do this apply skills you get all these new ideas because they understand the context, they know what you have to know what's available is on the market and what is it is available is your comments the Focus of genie is with the
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