Planes and Ships and Saving Lives

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Planes and Ships and Saving Lives
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How soft and hardware can play a key role in saving lives at sea and why Frontex doesn´t like it
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The death rate at Europes seaborder reached a historical record: One out of five trying for Europe drowned this September: Main reason is the crackdown on sea rescue by European authorithies who barely pass any information on distress cases to competent rescue workers. The hope of those trying to escape torture, slavery hunger and other forms of violence therefore soleyly lies on the efforts of the civil rescue fleet. In the future, a civil society run maritime rescue coordination center could help to significantly reduce the death rate at sea. This talk will focus on the software and hardware components used on the aerial and nautical assets of the civil rescue fleet. We´ll talk about the difficulties installing sat com on a moving ship or even an aircraft, how the camera system of the Sea-Watch 3 recorded the evidence that is now challenging the Italian state at the European Court of human rights, how important data is secured if the state challenges you as in the case of the LIFELINE and about a software that will help to join forces in the near future to coordinate rescues in an efficient way. Help is still needed to tear down Europes wall.
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[Music] our next lecture has certain risks but that has more risks actually it's called planes and chips and saving lives it's how soft and Hardware can actually play a key role in saving lives at sea and why frontex doesn't like it it's done by Total Effects Nick and Reuben and what is following is actually a talk that's once again about a very serious moral and ethical dilemma since the death rate at the UPC border reached an historical record is here in September one out of five people actually left Libya on a fine wanky boat drowned in September so the main reason for the increasing of this debt rate is actually the crackdown on sea rescue operations by European authorities since no Rescue Coordination Center clearly takes responsibility currently then the technical means of communication of course do play a key role in the efforts to coordinate rescues and in the future and that's what my friends here are going to explain you is that a civil society Ron Martin Rescue Coordination Center could help to reduce the death of sea significantly this talk this talk focuses them on the soft and hardware components that are necessary to challenge you being deadly border policy so give them a warm applause the presenter some potential solutions to fulfill this ambition thank you all [Applause]
[Music] yeah thanks a lot for joining great to have you all here because we need you
all to solve this problem on the Mediterranean Sea we are going to talk about my name is Reuben that is Nick and this is toile effects oh yeah we are going to talk about planes and ships and saving lives and especially how this
comes together with people that are competent in IT technology that are competent in hardware and technology and why this is so much needed currently on the Mediterranean Sea me personally I am NOT a nerd at all so I have basically no
idea about computers I need my house nerds like Nick to help me encrypting my computer and my emails which is also pretty important in this time for sea rescue and I will tell you why shortly so I'm basically giving you a short introduction into the situation on the Mediterranean Sea and afterwards those people are much more competent in
IT technology and hardware and we'll talk about the solutions we need at sea for saving lives so basically what is the problem people are in this stress at
sea this is a picture taken from our surveillance aircraft moon bird there's a rubber boat which is sinking and taking water this is a situation we might currently have north of our homes which is a Libyan town at the so called European border I mean it's the Mediterranean Sea which is basically the border of the European Union people start in Libya try to cross the Mediterranean Sea why our boat because there's no safe and legal alternatives and so they are ending up in such kind of situations if the talk is a bit chaotic at some points it might have to do with the fact that we are currently in operation with our ship and so there was not much time to prepare because still people are stranded on our boat but I will talk about that a bit later so we have this situation which with people in distress so what would you normally expect that's going to happen well
if you are white and if you have a European passport and you get in distress some 100-metre out of ya sport in Germany that's gonna happen however if you are not holding a European passport and if you are trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea and you get in distress maybe that's gonna happen
because basically the reaction of the
European Union on to distress cases at sea looks like this there's simply
nothing so what we were thinking about some years of gold when the desk toll on the Mediterranean Sea was on the rise what can we do if people try to cross
the Mediterranean Sea and risk their lives in totally unseaworthy old fishing cutters so we had the idea that there was a solution to this and so we also
bought an old an unseaworthy fishing cutter which we then turned into the
Seawatch one which was the first rescue ship coming from Germany to the Mediterranean Sea however we called it Seawatch for a reason we didn't call it sea rescue for example because in our view it's not the obligation of the civil society to solve the problems European state have cost by closing down
their border and by denying an illegal alternative for people escaping war terror or other things for example in Libya so we thought what we still need to do is we need to go there we need to look into the situation and we need to make sure that no one drowns so that's basically what we did and we send down
the ship to the Mediterranean Sea and pretty fast we found a lot of people in
distress there and we had to deal with it so in the first moment we were pretty overwhelmed but then what happened and that was really amazing was just that the civil society acts reacted so a lot of new NGOs popped up
and sent ships to the Mediterranean Sea and that was something I was honestly impressed by because if we think about the European Union with all the means they have with ships with planes with a lot of money whatever we would have never estimated that it would be son Berlin hipsters in their mid-20s to send the most effective asset to defend the human rights on a Mediterranean Sea and to rescue lives so but it was not only the UN ty it was also for example lifeline Doctors Without Borders there were the people from CI sending ships so in the end we had a whole civil rescue fleet that was carrying out rescues on the Mediterranean Sea and that worked
pretty well so the civil rescue fleet was able to save thousands and thousands of lives on the Mediterranean Sea and that worked pretty well also because the coordination with the Rescue Coordination Center in Rome worked
pretty fine because during that times also on the European side at least some people thought well if people get in distress at sea we should probably rescue them that's also a normal thing so could you imagine someone could have something against rescuing life's at sea well probably you know the answer already there is that guys I mean that
guy was pretty prominent in the media this year by blocking civil rescue ships but it also started a bit earlier that
guy and you might also know him was the first one starting with the huge criminalization campaign against the
civil sea rescue so back in 2016 and of 2016 early 2017 there was a lot of rumors spreading about the NGOs on the Mediterranean Sea what are they doing are they may be colluding with the smugglers and then there were some
accusations that are pretty stupid for example there was the accusation that was widely spread that we would give light signals to the Libyan Shore I mean we have nerds here so probably you are pretty good in mathematics and in geometry so what do you think about the argument that there is the possibility of giving light signals to Libyan Shore if you're far out of territorial waters of Libya so basically already from a geometry perspective it's not possible to give that kind of light signals still this accusation was widely spread and of
course that helped to let other nations drop and make our work much easier another accusation I want to shortly talk about is the accusation that we would not destroy the boats we find because there was accusations if we find a rubber boat in distress we have to destroy it and then it cannot be used again by smugglers so there was the accusations we would not destroy them I have to prove that we do so so
that's how it looks like if we destroy boats so basically we have a lot of these accusations and what do you think how this contributes to the fact that we need a lot of nerds to help us in carrying out our mission why can nodes make our mission much safer well because if we are able to document what we are doing at sea if we are able to document the positions we are on if we can have a video of whatever happens at sea then we can prove afterwards that these accusations are false and that's why it's pretty important to have hardware technology on board our vessel so that's one thing however the story continued so these kind of accusations were very effective and so we ended up in a situation where you enter was the first
ship to be confiscated it still confiscated was confiscated already in 2017 it's in Trapani now and it cannot do its job anymore and we thought ok we still continue but then this year a lot
of other ships were confiscated we have the case of the lifeline was very prominently in the media the life line is still confiscated in Malta so it became much more difficult for the
civil NGOs and there was a moment where no civil rescue ship at all was left in the Mediterranean Sea and of course this has effects so what happened basically
was the people were still coming because I mean there was this argument of a push factor i sorry a pull factor so there was the argument by the European states that only because there is civil sea rescue the people are coming over the
Mediterranean Sea and then they get rescued by the NGOs and then they get brought to Europe however when there was no NGOs anymore still people were coming but there was just no one anymore to rescue them so the effect of this fact we have seen in a pretty pretty drastic away in the September of this year because before we
had this number any idea what this number means so this number is basically
the death rate we had shortly before the NGOs were pulled out of the area so it was 1 in 44 so if one in 44 who tries to cross the Mediterranean Sea why are the central mint would drown when we had the last rescue ship the aqueous stopping the operations because the flag was taken away in September the number rised
to 1 and 5 so in September when there was no civil rescue ship at all we had 1 in 5 drowning who tried to cross the Mediterranean Sea and to better imagine what it means if one in five drowns you can just count in the
Rose here and you will recognize that it's a pretty horrible situation and for this reason of course we try to continue
sea rescue these pictures are taken last week because even though sometimes it's
hard times at sea we managed to get our ships at least
some of our ships back into operation and also we got back into operation our
planes which we use for air surveillance this picture is taken a year ago but the aircraft just took off half an hour ago from land producer to search the eastern part of the central Mediterranean Sea and that led to a situation where we are
able to act again so on Christmas or the weekend before Christmas the first rescue as in months since months carried out by civilian rescue operations took place those people are by the way still on the sea watch but actually we are
able to operate however and that's also why we had a lot of stress the last days coordination is pretty difficult we now have a lot of groups involved in search-and-rescue we have a difficult situation at sea so it's sometimes not easy to understand what is going on so communication is pretty important so what can we do to not let this situation up end up into chaos like we can see on this picture we need you because they're
hardware and software can play a key role and to make our operations much more efficient so we'll start with the
hardware I mean if you have a ship at sea hundreds of kilometers away from the shore then there is no way to actually reach this ship by simple mobile phone so satellite communication is the first and very important part of hardware technology we have to use to make our operations much more efficient and how this works we will later see in a life call if it works out actually and on the other hand another pretty important part of the hardware components is that we need actually cameras and we need voice
recording systems to to be able to prove what is going on at sea so that's why we need you guys because that's something I can't do then
there's another thing this is a immerse at sea technology this is a basic satellite communication system to communicate with ships at sea it's obligatory on all ships and this is
also a way to reach other ships than our own vessels because it's not only civil rescue ships on the Mediterranean Sea it's also merchant vessels or other ships that are chests around and we can contact through that and why this is important and why we need you to help us solve some problems with this old Microsoft DOS technology that is compliant with that that's also something Nick is going to talk about and last but not least what we also want
to establish and that's pretty important is a civil Rescue Coordination Center because in former times when everything was running kind of okay the Rescue Coordination Center in Rome if they are aware of a case of distress they would
send a position to the civil rescue ship and they would coordinate everything so they would have their charge they would have all their screens and they would just deal with it and they would just only tell the civil rescue ships were to get go and what to do since Savini is in
power this just doesn't happen and so we have to do it ourselves that's why we think it's pretty important to have such a chart where we can plot all the distress cases where we can coordinated ourselves this is for two reasons one is to save human lives and one is also to monitor the human rights situation out at sea so that's what Nick is going to tell you about what we need from the technical side there this comes into place again
because this is very old technology and we need to combine it with new technology that looks like this so we
can use it together
and yeah that's basically the task we're going to talk about and so at this point I would like to hand over to get some more details about the technical solutions yeah hello I want to give you
a short introduction I was like to be this ship system administrator I spent two weeks in September on the only lifeline and basically we refurbished the whole ship's network so a short introduction again the ship was built in
1968 as crew pea and was built by the poorly department of aquaculture and Fisheries of Scotland and in 2015 it was bought by a sea watch and then in 2017 it was bought by mission lifeline and his since operated by lifeline well and as you can imagine in the last 50 years a lot of mechanics engineers and technicians botched around the the ship repaired stuff and upgraded it so in some parts this feels like maintaining
an etic legacy software project the power supply there are two generators on the ship so in general the stability and availability of all the power is not as reliable as on land so therefore all devices which are essential for navigation and communication are better be buffered now we want to shortly cover devices sensors and data providers you will find onboard so for navigation we have a gyro compass which is basically a compass with which gives the orientation on the and and a desire route which gives the orientation of the ship in the waves because there's always changes of course then we have a GPS receivers so this is the global positioning system so we always need to find our current position and we also have a is transmitters and receivers ILS is the is is the oh sorry I was so far away from the microphone and this is the automatic information system so this is basically a transmitter which sends out the currents at the ship's name their current position in the course and this is also for collision avoidance furthermore we have weather data which is fetched online and for communication we have standard radios and iridium a visa uplink and LTE but I recover that later and many of these devices need to be interconnected so the autopilot for example needs access to the composite data of course into the gyro and GPS and the AIS some of the radios need a is and so basically we have lots of devices onboard and a huge
network and everything is connected with various enemy a zero one eight three buses which is essentially rs-422 or enemy a two thousand which is essentially a canvas so we have multiple of these in the ship to interconnect all the devices we find on the bridge so on
furthermore there's also an office on the ship so there are printers VoIP phones a Wi-Fi network Ethernet network and we have lots of laptops with Linux furthermore there's also there are cameras as room already told an audio recording setup and network storage because we might later need to prove what we did so we need to record all our positions all and all the cameras what the cameras recorded from the deck and around the ship yeah so all of the computers are on the on the lifeline are now provisioned with ansible which is this fast replacement in emergency situations eg for example if they the ship's the bridge computer with the navigation crashes are just falls down due to heavy waves so we can grab the media teams computer and make it a bridge computer within minutes so
furthermore ansible has the great advantage that we sort of have a documentation and for a replacement cruise which happens every two weeks it's comprehensible how the computers are set up also documentation is
essential if you build something without documenting it it's virtually non-existent and especially on a ship this can be very dangerous and like in a for example and life-threatening situation if you need a handbook of a broken device and you have no power and no internet connection this can be really dangerous so you need to document
everything you'll receive a storage compartment for the documentation which is the whole row of of folders up there and so everything is
ordered by a letter and number and so on so it's easy to access everything because everything is on board also a label printer is very helpful if you have a bunch of cables as you saw in the previous picture it's rather annoying to find out which cable belongs to which and it's there's no strength or storage compartment but rather many small spaces and under seat benches and beds and cup
words you need to be very organized to put everything in in its spot at all times or you will spend most of your time searching for your tools and materials which is rather annoying to go up and down the small step on the ship all day long and also it's rather inconvenient if you wake up the ship's engineer because you need to access the compartment below is bad just to find out that the tool you are looking for was not there anymore because you'd put it somewhere else so to give you an imagination I'd show you a short video hopefully okay yeah thank you mostly
there's you have together on choice of a component somebody really tested it's why I chose video as far as possible to get out oh yeah absolutely weather antenna cover demise in the form identical and I like five so we the spare IP cameras civil hit soft and amazing and love
so yeah well I started also taking videos for documentation to show the locations of these compartments because it's not really convenient to take
pictures of write it down because then I can give the replacement crews a virtual tour of the ship without being on the ship myself and also the others don't need to be on the ship and I can show them around and then they can immediately ask questions so I took another video display I can say here
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basically I was poor as the videos were recorded in German I'm shortly gonna explain what I what I told basically I showed the the radios and the radar system in the in the bridge which was located there and also basically in the rest of the video we would I would show the how the cables go through the ship to which positions so and lastly I want to quickly introduce a project Daniel made yeah we've had a problem that ship
has multiple uplinks as already explained and we always wanted to select the currently best uplink there are commercial solutions for this and there's a talk about why we didn't use it it's called Das Boot 4.0 by Stefan galing and it was held at the mrmc DS this year and it's available via media cccd so feel free to have a look at it so we have three up links the first one is LTE the thing every one of you has in your phone is phone or her phone so it has it's very fast but it has a limited traffic and it's only available in ports or close to the islands then we have
visa which is satellite base it has a flat rate is slower than LTE and is available on see most of the times but it needs a dish and this dish always needs to be aligned with the satellite so sometimes there are obstacles in the way for example the ship's pole and then we have to have no fits and also in heavy seas sometimes we need we lose the link and then we have iridium which is also satellite base but doesn't need a dish but just the regular antenna this works mostly all the time but it's super expensive like for a phone call three euros per minute and 16 euros per megabyte so we use this no we build a
den a better setup which basically is an apple board with an LTE modem which is shown here and it runs open wrt and embedded knocks system for a Linux operating system for embedded devices and for we
have two VPN in endpoints in two different locations on land running open wrt as well and we set up wire guard tunnels between all devices and then and then the the uplink to be used is determined with OLS R which is a link state routing protocol and may be known to you from Fri phone because they also used to use it so basically if visa or LTE are available also always the best link will be used and provided and if LTE entries that are gone and will automatically drop to iridium but due to limited bandwidth and and the overhead we don't use the wire gitanos then anymore but actually the setup worked very well for the last for the last months and the app like availability also compared to the previous installed switch also increased yeah
hi I'm Nick yeah as I said I'm working with Seawatch we already had to talk like two years ago about developing the search-and-rescue application which was basically like an application to provide c2c communication organization that means we basically at the problem that at this time we're like a lot of NGOs working in this area and yeah we basically wrote like a geographical information system to coordinate between all those ships and to basically track our ships what we're like yeah the
problem we're having at this moment is that we have still some asset as assets in the in the rescue zone but we don't have like a MRCC that means like a rest Rescue Coordination Center which is coordinating those cases so what we are
basically thought or be are basically thinking is all the SS that RMS you see like a state-run MRCC already has already available that means there are NGOs which are caring about emergency call telephone lines so that means if
people start from Libya right now they are likely not called the Italian immerseus or the Italian Rescue Coordination Center anymore because it's yeah like super likely that they will pass on this information to the Libyans so it's like more likely that yeah like voluntarily NGOs are called and they are like trying to manage those cases without human rights violations that means they inform those ships which will yeah for example not the Libyan Coast Guard etc so we
also have like the the assets already in place that means as a maritime Coordination Center has the Coast Guard et cetera we already have ships which are like able to rescue and last but not least the mask you Rescue Coordination centers also provide like all the forensic stuff and also like responsible for taking all the evidence that's what we're doing right now for our ships that means like with this application we are having running right now we can track our ships all the time that means like for example we had one incident where yeah like there was a rescue of the Libyan Coast Guard where sea watch was also involved where like more than yeah run about 30 people died and the first arc is a accusation of the Libyan Coast Guard was that we were in that territorial waters it was like quite a fast thing to prove with our data like there's also like more neutral data on it but we could like see super fast and with that improved super fast with that that we were like never in the territorial waters in this incident so this kind of stuff is super important also to then give it away to other organizations for example a forensic architecture with then yeah who then work with this data to yeah displayed it nicely and also pass it on to possible yeah law enforcement authorities which they yeah deal with it so what we're doing right now or what we're planning right now is that we want to take this application and make it more to a land sea organization software and that's really important we had to cases that there were both some distress especially like in the last months and because of the situation that Italy Italy is not feeling responsible anymore for those ships we had the situation that commercial vessels that means tankers and so on had to rescue those
people and they were yeah in the situation that they couldn't really get rid of the people as fast or like yeah so yeah how to describe it they weren't allowed to go into Italy which means that for example the Saros v one ship was for us to have around about 80 migrants I guess for two weeks on board without like really being prepared for it why our ships were blocked in in Malta and so what's happening right now if migrants are in distress that it's super likely that those ships will not rescue them so we already also had the reports from migrants who said that they were seeing ships when they were in distress and they just passed by it's not clear if they saw them or not but we're yeah it's happening at this moment so what we are trying to do is as set
there's a s which is basically publicly
available so that means everybody can can get this data and what we want to do is now we want to have a database of every ship which is passing through this area so now we also want to take commercial vessels into our application
so that we can if we yeah if there's any incident can afterwards see which ships were close by and even if we have reports what the ship looked like etc we can maybe find out what ship it were and then look if we can yeah provide informations to law enforcement authorities to then maybe get forward with it so that's basic idea yeah so as
you have seen now what why we need this technique for now we want to have a little practice test and we are all curious if it's gonna happen so what we are doing now is to call our ship which is currently stranded at sea with 32 people rescued already six days ago yeah and it's pretty important because as you can imagine there's now negotiations ongoing international negotiations we are talking with governments we are talking with cities and whether they take the people and then we have to be constantly in contact with the ship to find a solution for these people and that's why we need this technique and now we're gonna see if it works out yeah yeah from
sewage 3hi from the communication from [Applause]
how is the situation award so we are now
67 Ishmael Santa Malta hello yeah on the 22nd of December is this way you're just today we rescued 32 people i distress at sea we can hear you and we have been drifting and moving in international waters since inhumane treatment abuse can you see the audience the question can you see that can you see the audience maybe we can all right so normally you should see the audience here listening to you guys however if you can't see them and I can see them and I can refer so is there any questions you guys want to ask to the ship then it's your opportunity now
yeah hi I was wondering when are you
planning to go to dock somewhere like how does that work right now in the current situation because you have people on board right so you need to get them onto land I'm assuming yes and how does it work yeah I hope you can hear me now I have a big delay here our plan was to talk quite a while ago after we rescued the 32 people from the boat in distress on the 22nd actually we went back on the 23rd towards North but the thing is that no European state especially not Martin till you are the closest ports of safety would grant us permission to go into port so right now we are just waiting for any opportunity to go to a port of safety that is in Vincente of our current position someone else question okay any more questions so so you're looking for a place right now who are the parties you are talking to are you talking are people on land talking to governments or are you guys on the ship directly communicating to ports who is talking to who for this yes so basically the question was whether I think at the moment that was the delay I'm sorry for that moment ostensibly in
contact with the back office but also if
someone has all right she mean raise your hands and there you already can see how difficult it is to get this kind of connection established and that's also why we will meet you because anything that improves this situation that we have to delay that we don't get the picture that's what we need you for and then we have two people talking to governments driving speed boats to rescue people out of the Maritime distress that's all we can solve but this what is happening here right now that's what you have to solve maybe your operations as well okay look we have two minds as well they raise hands I can run what was most severe medical emergency right now on the boat it's where they allowed to dock them or is it just who's the doctor knows there is a medical emergency we normally ask the closest MRCC that is able to provide a medical evacuation that is normally carried out either by a speedboat or by a helicopter this happened for example last Friday when there was a medical emergency on the open arms which is the ship from our partner organization Co Activa there was a baby that wasn't severe yeah in severe distress and so malta in the end sent a helicopter to fly the baby and the mother to malta however it took quite some time in the first place there was no authorization for even a medical evacuation so even that becomes pretty difficult in this times now someone else question the our microphone sent 1 and 2
I can of course run around all the time it's really good for my condition after last a long night so my question is what do you do when you aren't allowed to like go to a port
and when there's are more people and I mean in danger on the sea so is there a limit I mean there will be a limit on people you can take on the board but do you have a second board where you pass the people on fee because I mean if you can't like get them on the land that's a pretty good question I mean that's what we are trying to solve at the moment and we don't really have an answer to this because normally the law of the sea is pretty clear that people have to be brought to a place of safety as soon as possible after a rescue however currently as you see and we are hanging around at sea skyping with the Chaos Communication Congress but there is no solution and were to disembark the people and also at the same time we have information about three boats in distress right at this very moment and there is our partner organization CI which carried out a rescue today morning so yeah we are trying to coordinate with them
[Music] [Applause] so the ship is back great yeah so I'm not entirely up to date about the situation's of the singular European countries at the last thing which comes into my mind was that there was support from the Spanish government did that change in the past few weeks in supporting NGOs like yours do you want to go on the ship what did Spain say so we for in our case
no there is there was another rescue I'm by open organization for active open arms over bring on new people were rescued and this is the ship that carries a Spanish flag so they had it naturally for Spain our flag is that of the Netherlands so our case is different as we said that first this is still ongoing the whole negotiation of what happens when we get our flag country I say board provided by them and then we can go there so in this case this is Netherlands and I think what is what is very important to say here is that Spain itself hasn't been very supportive I mean Spain has its own sea rescue going on at the Strait of Gibraltar but there have been a couple of cities in Spain especially Barcelona where our partners from Activa open arms are based also who have been very supportive and so the Spanish government has bowed also I think to the pressure of the spanish civil society who like really because what TV was pretty big there so the Spanish government has bought a couple of times but they wouldn't do this for anyone and they didn't do it for us even if we could have just handed over these 30 people we have on board to the two Spanish partners and open arms and they could have taken them so it sounds like
there's no real solution and you have to negotiate this on a case-by-case basis is that actually like Kelvin how it is that's how it is actually unfortunately number two question for people on board okay they give sort of somewhere to land safely I'm curious about these negotiations what kind of leverage can you apply to I suppose it's mostly shame governments into letting you dock how do these negotiations work I mean there's the side of shaming the German Minister which we know on Twitter there is the law of the sea and the law of the sea is pretty clear and we are currently living in a situation where basic rights abandoned by European states which makes it pretty difficult but at the same time this law basis is still in place so what we also try to do is to remember them and about international conventions they have signed which basically stated there needs to be a port of safety as soon as possible and there is actually obligations for states also to make that happen so that's also part of the negotiations however as you as you said there is not much left as leverage and then to publicly shame them for just abandoning basic human rights at sea but maybe in addition to that what we have seen and what was a lot of leverage was the cyclic movement we have seen in Germany because when we had and the first of this kind of standoffs with the lifeline stranded at sea with more than 200 people in front of Malta we thought okay if the governments are not reacting if Seawolf or just doesn't do his job and we will do it more from a grassroots way so we talked to a lot of cities we talked to several federal states and for example Berlin and then said well yes we would welcome them and Berlin was the first federal state to do it and many others followed so Hamburg Bremen and please be quiet I'm tooling and Brandenburg everyone all of a sudden said ok we would take some of those people and exactly the same thing is happening right now so we had quite some negotiations ongoing the last two days with German federal states and right now some of them again Berlin in the first place said that they would welcome these people and that even forced the German interior ministry to make a very embarrassing tweet where they said that actually they are open for a solution but only if it's happening on European
level because Germany already had taken I think from 115 people that were rescued at sea so big applause to Germany the biggest and most rich country on the continent has managed to
take 115 people no Houseman this year this year not this month not this week this year the whole year so yeah I'm
pretty embarrassing tweet by the Interior Minister and we now try to pressure him a bit more by also involving other European states and by trying to put pressure to at least take the 32 people where we think that should be possible this expensive line over there I suggest to young unity okay hi my name is Judith Beckman I'm
from zebra ox pork we met with zebra aux port did Co tune from Augsburg last week and we will meet oberb??rgermeister Griebel in on 11th of February and we wanted to or what we are doing is we explained the idea that the city of Augsburg will ask the Ministry of Interior and Bavaria to say we are ready and we are welcoming people in distress which are on boats such that they can leave the boat and they could you could enter Malta Harbor and they will just fly over based on paragraph 23 so on humanitarian reasons and do you think that would help if Alex board would say
yes that's a bright idea we are ready to take a number of people like one hundred five hundred whatever so that you can leave actually the the ships chips oh sorry could you like as we've already said the zero key movement and the whole the whole thing of solidarity cities is pretty much our biggest hope it's and I think this also goes together with the civil MRCC that the only the only solution that can be provided or that looks like promising here is that the civil society takes over because the states are not gonna we've seen this for like almost four years now out here that the states are just going out of the zone are not doing the rescues are not taking the people are actually hindering rescue operations so the only the only promising solution is that the civil society really steps in and there we need like a lot of creative heads to to to find ways to operate to keep us operative and to operate of distribution like the zebra movement it without and parallel to the to the state authorities
I just heard we have bit over time so I would like to thank a lot to the ship I hope you're doing well [Applause]
all a bit tired and exhausted but and we
would love to be actually on the Congress but we're doing very bit too like tea house at the Congress there is a lot of music and conversation and singing and dancing and all kind of nice things going on so although we are a such a rescue ship we're not actually equipped for staying for having guests it's for a longer time on board we try to make best of the situation it's been seven days we have wonderful people on board it's for been through horrible unimaginable things and we still managed to somehow dance together so we're tired and hard but it's also cool we just learned there's one more question yeah we can take one more question if the counter is going probably but
they're number one please shoot okay so first thank you for the work you do and
my question is practicality set aside what your ships theoretically be able to leave the Mediterranean and enter non Mediterranean european ports if there would be an opening is mainly a good question i mean the thing is non
mediterranean you did ask non Mediterranean ports or European countries or other countries than European countries or both [Music] for example we well we could do this and there has been a discussion and actually Malta told us to go to Rotterdam or some there has been a couple of people saying to us you if you've got a Dutch flag so go to Rotterdam we could do this yes but it would take ages it would take up to two weeks to go from here to Rotterdam and another two weeks to go back so it would keep us out of the zone far longer than we want to and secondly we would have to go through the Bay of Biscay which is now in winter quite a rough place to be on the seas and it would not be very nice towards our guests who are on our off deck outside in a tent in a huge tent actually to go on the Bay of Biscay I mean the the Mediterranean is treacherous and AH every now and then going in worse waters like the Atlantic at this time of years would just be irresponsible and and yeah yeah and besides thing out of Tsar's own and with Chris mentioned the wet rough weather other reasons there is also high cost of doing such a thing there many many many are reasons why we also the law says you have to go to the next to the closest part of safety and not to some port on the other end of world or on the other end of the continent yeah golf of biscaia i
wouldn't advise you to do currently actually my experience I know that guys I think gonna close this session here because their counter is going running and it costs a lot of money of course I would love to thank you there on the onboard and tanks here to eat Rolleiflex
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