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The hills are alive with the sound of hacking ... don't wake the monkeys!
The State of the Hack in India. A place to be^W hack in the Himalayas (and at the beach!)
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We are a community of (hill)hackers from India and all over the world. We'd like to talk about how rewarding it is to setup a tiny CCCamp in the Himalayas, and how the hands-on collaborative approach works in the indian context. We'd also like to introduce various open spaces, communities, events and dialogues that are currently active in different parts of India. The history and diversity of open movements in India is inspiring hackers in the country to engage, contribute and learn from the global hacker movement.
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I'm very very proud to introduce to you
SWA one of the co-organizers of the Congress and also and more interestingly for this stage today the organizer and initiator of the hill hex in India and we're eager to learn what she learned there what she transferred from organizing cam and also the PI of really
interesting people she brought and what their stories are and what their topics are so thank you spa hi so I started with the story how we all got together which also includes a bit how we all got together then I hand over to the band room will be telling what we actually done it elects and how and TAS will be giving in over a few of the Indian scene and then we have to choosing topics which is Cooney talking about open data
and osm and then we have Kiran as the special guests of one of the heads of the safety Internet campaign which is up and running in India seer rating is up to date there so let me start so I'm part of this CCC's thing since nearly
ten years and it's still hard to explain what it's all about it's about trust it's about very diverse people being together over years and decades like a family it's about doing things together and for some strange and unknown reasons we all have the urge to do these things you might know that all these CCC things are done voluntary for more than 30 years back then the Congress was a few hundred people nowadays we have more than 10,000 and from those 10,000 people there's a thousands working on that some of them for week same month and full time so our currency is not money there's any nothing like that involved it's all about trust responsibility and passion so I started
being in India working for the Center for Internet and Society in Bangalore in 2013 which was the year of Snowden so I did a lot of crypto parties all over the country and everywhere I went people ask me why don't we have anything like CCC in India and I was just like why not just go ahead and do it after a lot of talks later I realized that there is no place where people meet there is no get together of everyone who's involved in this there is a huge tech trout in India very active but incredibly fragment the
scene here there is no distinction between hacker coder and maker and activists because we are together for so long like a family all those decades and still getting along with each other somehow with this invisible band of trust and passion sometimes it later
ended up in dharamshala and the Himalayas we're kind of co-founded the
hack base there and the idea to have this unusual conference was already floating around an event that doesn't
work the usual way where people are doing their jobs because they get paid but the way the free and open way where people are just doing what they love because they are curious and they want
to see if something works so we were curious and we wanted to see if that works to do something like this up in the mountains I get introduced to akiba from Japan who also had the idea to do workshops of creative thinking with the kids up there so we merged that into this thing which we started in March
2014 and we had the first LX in october two and a half weeks of workshops and school program and peeking into a four-day conference of hackers from india nepal and some other countries all over the world i think it was 15 countries so this year we had one month code camp two weeks ill hacks again a four-day conference and next year we go for three months April May June besides the general tech topics we also are very arty and do music like those guys also support us for hack beach the next projects down at the beach and it's the same approach as we have on camp everyone is just contributing enough so that everything works all together because we believe in freedom and
independence because we want to be free and independent because we are free and independent it's a bunch of very
intelligent people coming together in exchanging thoughts and connecting building trading and breaking working in a meritocracy where everyone has pseudo
independent from any cultural background if people just belong to this open information society and they are used to make self-motivated projects they can do exactly what CCC Dustin's 30 years and what we have done now since a year in the mountains and we invite everyone to do the same and we do it again at the beach in November in South India so yeah we invite everyone to do the same at home or in any other spot in the world where you would like to have it and we invite you for he lacks next year April May June peak time as end of may
beginning of June and we invite you for hack beach which is in October November peak time is mid november and for the Germans we also made a manga dragon a fine so there you can also come together
and support us yeah now I'm handing over to the band room and also i want to
invite you to the be a party afterwards yeah for like if you want to talk to us and tomorrow at one o'clock and those sheds in that corner those guys and another bunch of people will be continuing doing arts which will be used like it will be sold and used for hack beach for fundraising
hi everyone I just want to say firstly that it's really great to be at camp
this year so I was inviting us and I was going someplace and she just said like you should stop over and it's really great to see all the insane and inane stuff people are up to over here I'm going to talk a bit about he lacks what we're doing and how we're doing it and all the insane anything stuff we were trying to do over there so i'll start off with my story and how i got involved with he lacks so it started off last year I was just ending with my research internship and I had this idea in my head to go to the hills with my laptop and get some internet connection or something one of my friends told me about this hacker space in the mountains and so I contacted them and they said that we are having this event called he likes and you if you can come and volunteer for it would be great so that's how I started off working on he likes it was by next month we had started working there were three of us full-time volunteers and basically I packed my bags and I reached her inshallah which is this is the place where we are at so I'm going to start off with the story of how so we've done two hillock since last year he lacks one and he likes 0 he likes 0 is the first one we did and so so I was coming from a background of CCC and she knows culture the cultural context that she needs to get in and while I am into the open
source movement and I get the get the culture I hadn't actually ever hosted an event like this before so she helped us get into the zone of what it means to be doing a community-run driven event and sup love that was really great so we started off the three of us mostly we were doing infrastructural work so how to get stuff to dharamsala in the Hills how to get them network working how to get electricity water and a bunch of things of that but also more importantly how to how to let people know about that we're starting of this event and so a keeper and so our new quite a bit of people and we did
like a bunch of media things that's up but we also did this thing called prevents we call the pre vents in which she went around across India so she went to the major metropolitan cities and when to the hacker spaces did crypto parties she also went to Nepal and so and and that's how we tried to garner some kind of interest into what we are doing over here as going to talk more
about like hacker spaces and the general seen in India but just to say that they were we were trying to get a more broader set of things into a conference rather than just one ruby conference or one JavaScript conference we wanted people to be coming from tech but we also wanted people to be coming from arts we wanted people to be interested in both the intersection of Technology art and and so as we went on it was really interesting because I don't know how the CCC thing worked out at the start but for us when we started off we there were three of us and they were a bunch of people who are helping us out so they were all analysis I'd know
whether they're here or not but they helped out us helped us out with the infrastructure so like mailing the mailing list and the mailing list and what was all the things there's another thing that wikia so sure so the website the wiki was done by Alice and all data are meaningless and and so we got help from other people but they're mostly three of us were doing a lot of work at the start and once the event starts they can't be three people handling the whole thing so it was really great to see all these people coming and all these people coming out and helping volunteers set up the place help us get tools find more people to get like water food and supply bad I was really great to see that because generally in I don't
know about you but in Indian conferences either we have there is a clear delineation between a volunteer an attendee so the attendees come just to attend the talks and the conference raava and the volunteers are the ones who are running around in the background but in our thing the interesting thing was that we the line between attendee and volunteer wasn't that much so everyone was giving a helping hand which was really great to see ya these are
some of the photos of so akiba this guy
over here he helped us procure these 40
laptops which we use for so we did a school program also and just to give a
geographically cultural context beer in the harem charla which is a which is the place for the Tibetan community in exile so there the Dalai Lama's is over there and they're a bunch of like schools and stuff earlier to that also the village which we are in is a shepherd village so the house that I showed you earlier this place is in a shepherd village and so we were trying to get education about awareness about technology and the
things I can do with it into these communities also that was one of the ideas of it and so while carpentry and
serve the no laptops we did we distributed to some of the schools and
some of the neighboring places where the kids could learn scratch or some other programming language on them and we also taught them so we got them to our places and God has got them interacting with all of us ends up so which is some of the photos so this is kids who are
hoping these are some of the people who
came and this is the mountain tricks
they did and so yeah so that's how he'll
act 0 happened which was last year October he lacks one was much more simpler because we'd gone through the process once and so we knew the basics of how to go about it but we still needed to so the general procedure is to find a piece of land and then how to transport stuff up there because in the Hills the roads are pretty tiny and so you have to account for all of that into your picture so this time second time around we got a much bigger and nicer place than the previous time where we could be at a camping ground and and we had a good view of the hills and software so this
is everyone helping out setting up the
place yeah so they were so I'll give statistics a bit later but the second time around so basically the first time around we did get I will talk about the funding to the first ever on we did get
funding from el net and network the world and a bunch of people but and the web we want Foundation and so for the second time around we didn't need money because there was a ticket ticketing system we had and we'd got enough money to use it for the next year too and so yeah that's how the funding thing vote these are some of the photos of what people who do you know that so yeah the some of the things some so so the
infrastructure was yeah they were a bunch of people who came and so one of the interesting things I won't talk about is also that while there was no clear-cut way of like I also came by just contacting these guys and they said like okay come and volunteer for us similarly there were other people who came into the picture in he'll act 0 and L x1 so they were the guy who was handling our finances hurry he just happened to be this guy no one wanted to hunt and finances for some reason and you just he was just one of the guys who said like oh I'll do it for you and so he just turns up one random guy turns up we did none of us knew him and we like just gave all the finance detail so him and all the money to handle any did it and he did it the next year too so it's and they're bunch of people who did a
bunch of things like that so this is cherry there's pink and taught from
Japan who helped us out with a school program so the first time around we had a more informative school program the second time around we reach out to more schools and self and this was done by the prerogative rather than us telling them to do it which was really great to see
also i'll talk about a bit of the cultural context the Indian culture contact in the sense that there is this idea in India that food is served at conferences to them already and so I had a big problem with that because over here there is no culture of food being served in the sense that you don't have to pay for it you just come you pay for the ticket and you get the conference conference gives the food by itself and so there were these problems cultural problems between like what she expected and like a key by expected and what actually happens over here also there's the thing about like travel reimbursement so the speaker's usually get that travel reimbursed but we didn't want to do that because we wanted people to be coming who were interested in giving the talk rather than just ask us asking them to come and so we some of the things we didn't do like the travel reimbursement things but some other things like the food thing we did do and actually and this is my opinion it
turned out for like a really good thing it does not look good experience because a lot of people coming here so there is this a concept of thumb I don't know how much how many are here every word of it but in just like they're these bunch of people sitting together and food is served in like one row so this happens in temple sense of and we did that kind of stuff over there and was really interesting for everyone round and so we had a interesting food related cultural experience which which wasn't expected so this is your some of the pictures of
relax one this is hair hacks going on
this is this is a unicycle which people
are trying to fix and yeah so these were some of the differences which we had to face and we had to work around I would also like to talk about some of the positives and the negatives that happened over there so basically we the good things that happen is the communication we because of SWA and because her knowing the tools and stuff she we started off on a good front in the communication front in the sense that we had a mailing list which was a good thing for like public opinions of and we had a video conferencing going on on mumble we had IRC is everyone was on it to talk and so the communication things were good also it was really great to see like everyone volunteering to put up things and help out with like garbage and composting and a bunch of things of that so we didn't have to ask for volunteers from for like full time volunteer themselves and yeah so these
are some of the pictures and it's going
to show statistics how do you go to the end yeah how do you were then okay okay
so do some statistics financials were we
so basically you see some of the financials are higher in the first year then second year because the first year with procuring a lot of tools like those laptops and a bunch of carpentry tools and a bunch of things like food and stuff like that and the second year is lesser but the popular the number of
people who came and the duration of days the number of days we had in the second time around were higher and our expenses were lower so basically we became a little more efficient with what we are doing there is a topic of networks which trouble we'll talk about and how we set them up and what were the difficulties we face with that
so so I'm trouble I was lured to the hills by having dinner with some friends in Tokyo in march i think it was and they said you know India there are Hills there's good food and fun people and you should totally come it'll be a nice holiday it'll be relaxing you don't have to give any talks and somehow I ended up running the network I'm really not sure how this happened but in the great tradition of people running networks at hacker conferences I now have to explain how I did it as a warning to other people who find themselves having dinner somewhere innocently so I hope the chaos network team is here because I uh yeah I'd like to invite you to come to the
next hill hacks it's great food fun people and mountains we yeah so we were
up on the mountain somewhere and up links were more up as in pointing at us we were up and they were pointed at us say the left photo is on the roof of our conference facility we had to microwave links well microwave actually just Wi-Fi links pointing down the mountain and the photo on the right is slightly down the mountain and demanded goes a lot further down as I'll show a bit later it yeah so
mountains yes so the air gap was interesting one of the links gave us about what was a 30-percent packet loss and great throughput when it was working the other link gave us three percent packet loss but only very little throughputs well it always worked but so
I had to go in debug this air gap and just to give you an idea of the scale of things the hackers are over there somewhere on a mountain and further dyna
mounted the intricate was there and there and you'll notice that the dish is not actually aimed at the internet that turned out to be part of the problem the other part of the problem had something to do with monkeys
the yeah the bit in the middle was also interesting you'll notice our log files were quite impressive we use the an old thinkpad with a broken battery to monitor the network a circus bc thing i rescued somewhere or scavenge somewhere more like to run firewalling and gnats and all sorts of other things and it was really interesting so some buzz word
soup I have to do so it was only legacy IP originally with two local ISPs who are both doing private address space and they had non-overlapping address space but by accident not by design so they were both using the default configurations of mikrotik and ubiquity respectively and they were running a / 20 for each of them for all of their customers and just bridging them together and you know what's the worst that could happen yeah you know bad things but because you know i love ipv6 and i have an ipv6 problem i immediately set up an ipv6 tunnel to belgium because i couldn't talk to anyone more local and
the whole thing was running on openbsd it was there before I got there and it somehow held up quite well so of course
chaos was the inspiration for hill hacks so we had to provide wireless to the tent which is a bit less organized as it is here we could actually see the access points and we put them in strategic places like in the middle of the balcony
so we were promised three outdoor access points we ended up getting one and then someone showed up with a whole boatload of cheap made in China tp-link access points which we then spent a nice afternoon flashing with software and again with new software after we worked out that it wasn't working a single essid on 2.4 gigahertz because that was the only radios we had and the only optimization I ended up doing was putting different access points in different parts of the sites on different channels to encourage roaming and well that did more harm than good but nobody noticed because monkeys so if
you run a network at a hacker conference you have to provide pretty graphs so I spend quality time writing pretty graphs this is a pretty graph and I gave every access points a different color so the blue access point was the eating area the green access points were dance there somewhere orange access points whatever but some interesting you know correlations and conclusions can be drawn from this data hackers are apparently nocturnal because at nights all the wireless clients are in the yellow area which is where the sleeping tents were we ate together as the bandroom explains hackers like their lunch a lot so the blue areas were where we had lunch and we also like our breakfasts you'll notice the time of day we had breakfast this had something to do with the time of day we had dinner so
and there was a pattern here as you would expect at a conference right so
challenges and opportunities in other words what went wrong well in general when it worked it worked pretty well and when it didn't work people chatted or went off to do more interesting things I discovered again that's openbsd socks which is the name of a presentation heading of openbsd fame gave with Asia BSD con I did fix some of the bugs I ran into and a very interesting problem was the both of the ISPs we had so we have multipath internet but both of these ISPs had the same uplink so when that isp went down everything went down but
happily that only happened once or twice when the power went out in a significant area so yeah other challenges something about monkeys yeah we call this the
simian interference problem and I don't think it's ever been seen at Kaos Congress or at Kaos camp but we had a number of these individuals and they were there before us and they like to remind us of this from time to time by interfering with our infrastructure we
also found interesting electrical problems like 10,000 amp breakers which yeah 10,000 amps 240 volts probably not we also found that if you're running too much power across a thin cable and you use electrical tape to connect two ends of cable the tape will melt and start smoking the obvious solution of course is you call a local electrician who will then remove the tape and that's it the problem is gone that's no longer smoking right so yeah that was much fun and so you think that's organizing a conference in a country the size of India you could rely on a large network of people who have done this before who've done this networking before but it turns out that the state of hacker spaces in maker spaces in India is a little bit more complicated than it is in Germany and Talis will explain now how this works there and he'll explain how this concept of juga works which I can't pronounce but he'll help you pronounce in the fullness of time on two towels
Thanks trouble I never thought I would be saying thanks trouble so yeah I want
to talk about the state of hacker communities in India right now I'm toss
okay yeah so the first large-scale attempt at organizing any sort of hacker
event all open source event was fought staton which lasted about 10 years and we found that after that smaller more concentrated events were much better received so the void which was left by phos cotton was filled in by multiple different conferences such as open data
camp pycon rubyconf barcamp and has geek so that leads to another movement which
started in india so around 2013 we had maker fest happening in India and out of that came out a lot of makerspaces but for that I have to take a small D 2 and explain what jugaad means yes so
describing jugaad is sort of a hat and
we've had a long culture of doing this part it's mostly been in the rural areas where hack happens because of necessities and yeah so this would be a
good example of a jew guard as you can see this turns out to be because of pure necessity and i have another example of
the same thing happening so yeah the in India pretty much started in the rural areas and not the urban areas but
like I said after 2013 we also had a lot of enthusiasm about maker spaces in India so make us asylum was one of the first maker spaces which arrived on the scene so Micah's asylum is in Mumbai and they recently started another chapter in
Delhi this is jaga in bangalore this is
workbench which is another maker space which started in bangalore so which
leads to a particular problem that there have been a lot of enthusiasm about maker spaces but not enough experience operating and running them so one of the solutions which I can think of is sister hackerspaces people who have more experience running hackerspaces can collaborate and have sister happy hacker spaces around the world where places which don't have enough experience or resources so yeah that is one of the things which I can think of and as an example of one of the things which came out of these conferences is the open data conference which you need will XP
explain something about
hello thanks so talking about India the open movement is quite complex very active but very fragmented and I'll dive into two different aspects of the open movement one is the open data movement in India and later the open street maps open data has been the movement has been quite active for the last three four years we have an organization called data meet for which I work for we
facilitate and facilitate an advocate for open data in different forms both the government data and non-government data we have an annual conference every year just called the open data camp it's actually biannual meaning I mean is it by or semi I can never tell twice a year once in Delhi once in Bangalore and they have followed different themes this allows us to engage with civil society
government organization nonprofits for profits journalists social scientists and other data enthusiasts and of course people like tech tech people developers designers are always there using open data camp which was first held in 2012 and since then every year we've held quite several events around open data camp as well we've been able to understand how organizations are collecting data how are they using it how are they representing it and sharing it and trying to advocate for standards of open data in each of these phases in 2012 the Government of India came out with a policy called national data sharing and accessibility policy which led to something like the tin which was in partnership with America but it worked out really well for us not sure what happened to their website and we have lots of organized government organizations publishing on this website the quality of data is a problem but at least we have a workflow in process there are data controllers is a policy now but the next challenge is to convert this policy into an act which will make sure it's a which will mandate all these organizations to do so so that's I have some links at the bottom that you can visit later on then coming to open street maps both I mean data meet and several other organizations also support the mapping community we have had
mapping parties going on I think since regularly since 2013 we also have an open street map dot in server which essentially is is a copy of the dot org one but has some changes in the map boundary because of unfortunate political issues that the Government of India wants us to cater to open seat map since that open seat map protein has been there we have quite a few mapping parties going on and lots of map data being uploaded recently during the Nepal earthquake the community engaged with the humanitarian Open Street task and we did participate quite actively we had several events around it following that we have now a series of events which check all mapping India for disaster preparedness we have a couple of states that we are focusing on the hill states next to Nepal and we've already held two events finally just a couple of names of the organizations is geo blr which is geospatial bangalore which has been doing it for a couple of years with the help of map box and we just started geode de l which is geospatial delhi and that should sum up open street maps I'll now give it to kill to talk about a specific that India is been battling since the last one here at will against the issue of net neutrality thank you so I'm going
to step away a little bit from hacker events to talk about what the hacker community is doing so in India right now we have an ongoing debate about network neutrality the definition should be straight forward to most people the basic idea is you do not block access to anything on the internet for commercial reasons you do not discriminate on the basis of speed and say some sites are faster or slower and you do not discriminate on the basis of price where you say some sites cost more or cost less now this is a principle that's understood worldwide it's been legislated into being a principle that ISPs must uphold in many countries Europe past ruling I think last month
the US had it a couple of months back India doesn't have one yet and it's a debate that's been going on for a few months so the current version of this debate started really in December last
year and I don't know if you can see the date on this article it's December 24th nice day to say you're going to screw your customers so L tell which is india's largest telecom operator announced on december 24th last year that if you use whatsapp or skype from your phone you're going to pay extra which is a clear violation of network neutrality and their explanation was that if you're using whatsapp to make
phone calls then you're not using your phone network to make phone calls and therefore they're not getting paid enough and they can't maintain the network and they don't get paid for phone calls so this they hope by putting it out on december twenty fourth nobody would notice everybody is going to be on holiday on 25th and it would be a little too late for the media to take action thankfully we had some people who decided that the holidays were not as important as stopping something like this from happening so this happened and this caused enough of a few in the country that people started making jokes about what they'd charge you for next so you want to buy
something on flipkart flipkart's an ecommerce site they're going to charge you more to forget to the checkout page you want to hire a cab your telco is going to charge you a charge for hiring a cab you know because if you're giving somebody money why can they take money so this was a huge trend lots of people in making jokes about the telco on December 25th it caused enough of a ruckus that the government had to come in and say let's figure out what's going on and as it turns out this is what it will actually wanted they wanted the telecom regulated to make this legal so the telecom regulator in March of this year put out a consultation paper saying asking about how to regulate over-the-top services now this is a paper that was spread across more than 100 pages or this is a public consolidation they wanted public comments on the proposed legislation to regulate over-the-top service providers which basically means the entire internet and they asked the public to respond with answers to 20 questions which are obviously worded in a way that nobody understood anything about it so a bunch of us figured that this was the time for doing something about this so we started a campaign which we called the save the Internet campaign this is not the site that was launched what we did instead is we recruited a diverse group of individuals to come together and do something about this so we got a bunch of lawyers to decode what the consultation paper said and right legal answers to them we got a bunch of other people to do various things to promote it and we put up a site that made it extremely easy for anyone to mail the regulator we had the lucky benefit of a very popular comedy group producing a
video about this I'm going to play a few minutes of the video not the entire thing so let's see if this works
these data company doesn't going up to something that's all never you chat
one so you should watch this video it's
about 10 minutes long and it's fairly funny it's also extremely informative it was legally verified we had a lawyer look at everything they wrote and said and made sure it was completely valid technically so this video went up on april eleventh of this year you can see it's got three million views so far it
had about the first million within the first week and at the end of the video they asked everyone to go to the website and say do something now so let's take
it ended over this
it's just I don't be so
this video worked over the course of one and a half weeks 1 million people mailed the regulator now 1 million people is something that is first of all unprecedented worldwide the only case of someone doing more than this was in the United States but in indium the last time the telecom regulator actually got public comments was in 1998 and they call about 15,000 comments and this year they got 1 million comments it costs such a ruckus that this was all the country could talk about for two weeks and to help make this work we put out a Twitter but that kept a live count of how many emails have been sent every
half an hour so it's obviously not active anymore but you could see the countdown happening as we got to the red line and we tweeted out a nice graphic so this bought became the source of news for the entire country the media would report every day saying that this many people have now mailed the regulator what's the government doing about this it became important enough that Parliament took this up so it went up for debate in Parliament the opposition parties decided that this was a great way to pull down the government and they started question the government is saying what are you doing about this in
the citizens of this country are complaining and you guys are doing nothing so Parliament decided to launch an inquiry into this the Department of Telecom which is the government's department that oversees telecom they're not the regulator they they sit atop the regulator they decided to do their own public consultation and so essentially what happened was it was the telecom regulator doing a consultation clearly biased we managed to subvert their process got the public involved the Department of Telecom decided that they needed to investigate what is going on they put out a report is very interesting and the Parliament decided that they also wanted to investigate this so they started their own considered process that's still ongoing and so one of the things we discovered while looking at price consultation paper is
that they in fact had faked a lot of data so they quoted an article from The Economist claiming that the Economist says net neutrality is not good and they sounded so extremely unusual that we had to go look up the article they were quoting and turns out that the Riyadh
article so we did it different what they said and what the economists actually said and so we reported it they
published it this is basically what led to the Parliament stepping in and saying okay let's figure out what's going on here we had a whole bunch of other guys get involved so cartoonists started doing this putting out various cartoons about net neutrality and what it was this campaign essentially this is how we got two million people you know participating in this but we were extremely public about identifying what the regulator had done wrong we made sure everybody had access to all
information we made sure factually correct all the time we made sure we appeal to the masses by you know enlisting popular movements to speak up on our behalf and this worked fairly well now the regulator for what it's worth kept the word and said they will acknowledge every comment that was
received and they put everything online including the email addresses of people who sent them email so this basically killed the spam database business in the country because 1 million of the country's most active users are now
solidly public so we managed to scrape their entire site and build site a search engine for this so if you read this off the regulator's website it's really horrible it's it's extremely hard to make out what they're saying this is what they the view comments section is and this is how it works you have comments it's a PDF document and in the PDF document they say come in some other stakeholders and that links back to every email is received and there you go it's got everybody's email address and it's a horrible interface to browse stuff because you can't figure out what's going on here so our website essentially is a search engine you can type an email address or type a name and it will tell you what they said and it's a fascinating database because all kinds of random things are here there are wedding invitations in this randomly sent to the regulator there are love
letters to girlfriends in this all kinds of things accidentally sent to the regulators also public now but once that happened the Department of Telecom held consultations I attended one of them and it turns out that the fairly intelligent people you know we sat face-to-face so there we talk things out they completely perfectly understood what was at stake and what we were arguing for and yet they put out a very very muddled paper they came out with their final report and they quoted the Buddha and said the Buddha's middle path is how we shall proceed so among the suggestions they came up with voice over IP is really good for society we are not going to interfere with it we should allow it to be used and encouraged and so forth but we are worried that telecom operators will lose revenue so domestic voice over IP should be regulated I said back in thing is this how do you know a voice over IP call is domestic I mean how do you know where the person the IP returns terminates how the heck are you going to regulate this you know either you block voice over IP or you don't block it but you can't you can't identify a domestic call and voice over IP that's not how the protocol works so we don't know what they were thinking it's but they put out a call for comments again and give august fifteenth as a deadline which was today so if we went back to AI be and say please help and so they made this this video went out yesterday
previously on save the internet
okay so that did happen but cheers want
to keep the area hockey 1 million email
addresses of new website back with a relatively lucky after dunya vadakara span me haces so well that the area where and second of all after people started emailing dry CUA i decided to send up these vaguely worded SMS assistant says co AI supports sub guy intimate i believe that i should have the right to choose what I want to access on the internet the support give me score okay yeah that makes it is so vaguely worded a lot of people who bought it particles pronate you very and be when you word it like that who the hell is going to say no in fact you know what let me fix that message for you it should be co AI supports for impart our internet if you believe the telecom operators should have the right to decide what you can and cannot access on the internet based on who gives their money because they love money then give a missed call to support but good news
telecom operators and platforms like Facebook say they support net neutrality but we if everybody suppose net neutrality that we won like we won we won anyone know we did ah hell what's
really happening Facebook and telecom operators are change the definition of net neutrality that I know define net neutrality as everyone being able to access the inning
where are the truth is actual net neutrality means anyone being able to access everything on the internet also
average is changing the definitions of things to suit our own convenience I've got one I have I declare that asshole means pineapple so whatever it says your pineapple you are a pineapple and you two are a pineapple also things against terrible with a hold on it telecom companies are using products that Gators you know to push the concept of zero rating now what is zero rating zero rating is basically a way for debt goes to give you certain services and absolutely just because the service is a partner for the tempos okay now suppose the air in Africa telecom operator bracket passing in the or more like a camera sorry videos free mini Carlos organic in Japan will you make me having up put in eat a charge kasnia now suppose kuch locha Jen a super one cam videos like that the kings are musubi click cutting it open in today it is kailia professors anybody skin afrodita charge booga naturally over a period of time of free video enigmatic if you want the user free and I imagine for you all either news website music app they all want to get off this platform but they can't because they'll operators can say Bassam ugly what will they do facebook is also doing something similar with internet or while they aren't charging people money design on and become partners what they are doing is creating a war god of select apps and services that people can access for free but if you try to leave this garden and go to the rest of the infinite you get charged opposite of flavor I have to go you know imagine that something like our code word zero rated on a platform like internet or dodging all Adele vo 10 years ago there would be no face move noting facebook is in trying to protect your rights facebook is just trying to make sure that never be another facebook again which is
why we decided to put this video on facebook social network with you Joe our new best friend coffee schwoz toss it back tomorrow vishwas mentor it on
facebook you're a Giants take me
pineapple to now for the worse news the
Department of telecommunication wants to start licensing for VoIP apps what this means is they want guys like whatsapp skype viber to buy licenses for the call services that they offer over the internet now whatsapp has to pay for expensive licenses who do you think is going to have to pay whatsapp for their services that's right no more be domestic calls on whatsapp also licensing is subjective time consuming and we'll have to rely on some random government bubble sitting in some office or proving your apps amazon by debate about the revelation watch you initially me achieving in cafe that sucka Bobby omniverse apparent Allah or some verbiage shaggy photo Getty capalaba at editing yeah p license key sector me America elegance ultimate misery also
you want to live in a bubble for internet knowledge this is the average idea of internet moments after them I
was get the opera's connect transitive verbs who sit ups are a software designer admitted yesterday nobody here when he see kick your body she isn't God develop a trap is still evolution amazing science so what can you do that
was an actual government official that
was the Income Tax Commissioner his idea of trout computing you know it shop in the clouds and it rains and you don't
have internet so for it's worth the debate has shifted now it's a Department of Telecom inviting comments this video managed to crash their website so
hopefully cause the right account oh okay I have the wrong account it's mr. Akhilesh measure XO
so for what it's worth this person runs the website at which they're taking comments this time he's a government official and he's honnestly very pleased with this video because finally somebody is paying attention to his website and so recognizing overwhelming interest in contributing to natural debate they've extended the period for comments to the twentieth of august 80 the deadline was today they've received some fifteen thousand comments in one day and they figured okay they go to push it by few more days so that more people you know actually use the government website so this is not the end of the process there is still the parliamentary committee that is ongoing and they have been holding opponents of consultations I went to one of them in July so I was invited in as a representative of the campaign they also invited the telcos they invited a bunch of other parties
what's interesting is last week they call Google and Facebook Google did not show up so it's very interesting also Google supports net neutrality in the US but not in India Facebook supports net neutrality in the US but not in India Twitter supports net neutrality in the US but not in India these three parties essentially say something in the US something else in India they I can show you what they actually do in India so I have an example I a screenshot it took a while ago so this is a treat I'm not
sure you can see the fine print some is going to zoom in you see what it says from the first line there you can see the user is on the water for network Twitter somehow accidentally assume he is on the lands network and Twitter is free on reliance what does it mean it's zero rated twitter has been doing this for many years in India the nobody talks about this outside of India because Twitter is the good person elsewhere they're not in India so what we got here now is the
parties that you would expect to support net neutrality are not supporting it in emerging markets in the hoping nobody notices and I'm here to tell you that these are not the good guys anymore so part of what's happening now is that the parliamentary process is ongoing it will continue until sep tember they are still looking for more parties to talk to to get it they're going to put out a report
and they report is because a parliamentary report and not a government report it doesn't really have the effect of being word of law it's not the government's stance on what they intend to pass as a long but it's a weapon to use against the government of the government doesn't act and at this point what you have is a convent trying to not act for as long as they can and while they don't act violations can happen because there is no law preventing those so part of what I'm here to request is we need more international awareness of what's happening in India any time India talks about opportunities in the country it's a good time to remind them saying that but you do not have free internet in the country and free i mean free access not free of charge so if you represent an organization i would recommend you write on behalf of your organization to the various stakeholders right to the government right to the Department of Telecom right to the telecom regulator and tell them that we need network neutrality it can't just be a watered down version because there is no such thing as watered-down Network neutrality it's either neutral or it's not and it can't be something that you say is not good for India so that's the appeal and from here we'll pass on the Q&A yeah so Q&A on both this or on hill hacks and the hacker seen in India happy to take them thank you so much all of you
so given that we have five really interesting speakers here we thought that we use a few minutes of your time still to do a small Q and a and after that you find all those people in the BR village to party with you to speak to you and you can pose all your questions you might have you don't want to pose in public also they're like go with them together to the BR village so if anybody wants to pose a question now please go
to the microphones and I have the first on the right hey thanks to all of you it's really wonderful to hear stories
from a place that we don't hear too enough from in this community going back to the remind me again the the word for hacker the inter guard do it right dugard ok I'm wondering whether that word could you can tell us a bit more about where that comes from if there is a stigma surrounding that or whether that's considered as I heard actually a little while ago somebody told me that in Cuba which is another place where people frequently fix things to survive the word for handy or being able to fix something actually is also the worst same word as sexy like it's used to mean sexy in Cuba and I'm wondering whether it is a stigma or whether it's a positive thing in India ok so part of
the word jogar you know is depending on which class or so said you are talking to has different connotations jacquard means a hack but obviously it comes from a different culture because hack is what you do when nobody's supplying you something that you know there is a market demand for and therefore and this is partly the rural problem that in rural India you do not have access to services the same way that you do in urban India and therefore you're forced to do things by yourself which includes reconfiguring vehicles to suit your purposes so this is a hacker sense of jihad in that sense but the other sense of jacquard which is also used when you're speaking in Hindi is when you bypass an official process right there is an official process which is so bureaucratic that is ridiculous and this is juga approach which basically means that immediately phone shortcut and that is part of the reason why jihad is a slightly negative connotation it implies that there is a bureaucracy problem also hear ya ah it's done and
there's another question online yep hi I am a volunteer with liquid hot children n which does a lot about net neutrality in France and in Europe so first of all congratulations on managing to get 1 million emails that's really cool and the way you did it with getting bloggers and people on YouTube to do do that that's very good I'm really impressed that's really cool um one thing we found though is that emails are easy to avoid you can just set a filter and you just put a multi junk which is what some mep is in the european parliament have learned to do quite quickly because they get overwhelmed with all the emails but phone calls are a lot harder to avoid have you considered doing the same thing with yes holes let me show you just like what I chance a tool for that so you might want to get in touch the thing
called the pie phone and you can set it up to do phone calls to the mep zor MPD's or whatever cool but if you did it it's even better they also did it yes so
we actually did this I think of I'm sorry I didn't open the link in advance and not to go find it now but we actually did a Collier MP campaign so it turns out that there is no authoritative source of contact information for parliamentarians in India the official territory has numbers and email addresses around work so we had to build our own copy of the entire database of parliamentarians it's not complete it turns out that we have elected representatives who have no contact information whatsoever which is very curious but that's the case so we do have contact information for most of them and we put out we did a campaign
earlier we took out part of the site because it was slightly confusing to people after the campaign to go in and start doing this but I'll find the link while somebody else has a good text question do we have any other questions like an open data in
your street map or the hill hags and the right megaphone yeah I have one question I came here to learn about the heck beach I can you tell us about that yeah so I mean when we had the idea of having this event up in the mountains we always said we also have to have it at the beach so we didn't know two times in the
mountains now we're going to have it at the beach um so some people are really down there will be going after them in n September beginning of October so they're about to found a hack base down there as well like a place to stay and live and have the acura space and then depending on what people show up we'll be having school program and all that stuff as well so we already have a close connect to local school which has this surf and skate skateboard school as well which the connection to the skateboards also rise and the actual tech event will be at the weekend of 15th of November and yeah so as it is the first time which is I mean depends who's showing up it's and close to mangalore so we expect the Bangalore tech trout being around a bit but let's see does that answer your question ok so thank you and it's hack
beach got in but I think it still leads to hear excellent / hack beach with not much more information ok so do we have one last question until we go to the BR and yeah speak again and a little bit light yeah with less video on us know yeah 1 comment then on the website as well I think he likes that instill
invites you for helix last time it's usually with the volunteer pages we all know this from ever ray CCC page you have ever seen the amount of information is enormous but you have to find it and so thanks you
all again that you're here that you're open for more speaking to the audience to every participant of the camp and thanks for all of you who came here at this really late hour to hear about on the maker see in the heck is seen in India thanks you


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