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Who will control Big Data, the currency of the digital age?

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Republican thought come to this afternoon session on the data economy and the consequences that we will take out of it this session will be in English we have just discussed we have some very German words I like the piece of signed bubble and we may not translate everything correctly so with since the audiences may be mainly German you will understand what she tried to say the results and other scientific panel be very very diverse group today and so we try to bring this perspectives together on this topic today this is our aim and you can join in with your perspective Fourier expertise in the last 15 minutes we will open this year rule microphone to the audience and you can join in the discussion so I'm very honored to be here today since the real hot stuff this year and Stephen Hill from San Francisco who brought us all together what comes to yeah and 1 panel is too is still in the programmer is missing since he got hurt in Sweden on his leg we will miss much bits today and I promised him to take some of his arguments in our debate so
who to best of all my to wherever you are a new commodity the commute monarchy of data sponsors lucrative fast-growing industry prompting antitrust regulators to step in to restrain those who control its flow a century ago the resource on discretion was boil now similar concerns are being raised by the Giants that deal in data the
oil as often referred to of the 21st century resource smart is opening argument that I just take in and it also is kind of theory combining the task for for what we tried to bring together today in this panel about the rising of the data economy how it is designed to who is in charge with the power how does it impact us a society as our economy labor and not least ourselves how can we shape at legislate late or regulate do we have to and overall how does it enable us in a way that its bonds as public interest and the the common good as well as the companies for a better future book as you right yesterday I I I guess just announced some some new standards on data protection and at the same time introduce the new doctor harvesting tour of matching people's laugh destiny this 1 thing you cannot take your friends in the new system which I think is very interesting but stock-market cheers the scandals of the last week the almost forgotten and this is just 1 example the but come up this 7 you was several different that lights our the power as hot this morning shelter Manning said about artificial intelligence and machine learning it's not a hype but it is dangerous and we have to discuss it and that's why yeah here Americans often use the phrase in the politics about the balance of power which matches very well because we do need some checks and balances for the rising date economy in the use of algorithm and big data what are these challenges and how can we face them that is a key question for all of us here who represent in different forms the civil society in Germany claiming the motto of this year's Republic of pop we are all we have to be some kind of a popular pressure group to what state affairs this is the causes we also want to his supporters aside Fondation that's that's why I ponder to to be here and being in the role of being a moderator today but you at the start of this panel and I would like to introduce all of you 1st and then we'll start in the discussion with a brief opening up impulse of from the very left or right from your perspective there is little bridge or it is a postdoc researcher at the new white involve Institute for the Networked Society in Berlin at the beach at being social Science Center here she obtained a Ph.D. in political science and her research focus on regulation of technology and many other things but that's why you are here today thank you let the the then in the new world the penalty on about this bit here my TSP account very welcome committee is the cofounder of a grisly watch the data profit or that talkers C and research organization on algorithmic decision mated making and of course 1 of the co-founders of I rights in full which 1 2006 the grim like a board member of IGF and several other committees and the serious Fellow at the site formation at the well width thank you for being here at jumping in the and the and at the Mubarak who works for the United Services Union Bharatiya trade union as I learned just she is head of the Working Group on because his digitalization there and a Fergus's on digital labor native politics government and common good and recently she became a member of the consortium for on that platform cooperative cop were relativism and you fall ownership discussion board you will talk about later that the more that interval come to them and of course Stephen who is more than being from California the political journalist and lecture on both sides of the Atlantic and that's why you for sparing partner today to see the challenges of both worlds coming together here which he also in this extra research at the beats at the Science center here as the journalist in Residence and he is author of several books to this topic the last 1 in German also published to start up it was you on the the internet could on citizens attached at 20 and variety he published in several all lots of magazines and newspapers all around the world i've a lot mention them all you can read them and you can read his new book and what Come Stephen and thank you for the idea to this great Panel so this was maybe my party now in effect that but which is the to give us a short introduction as we discussed we would like to know the red and the introduction on the web page about the challenges Stephen perceives the silicon valley or a companies on how their challenges in the US and Europe to the Isn't we work realize thank you Daniel it's a great pleasure to be here to my fellow panelists going great panel because these people all have amazing things to say about the subject of so you know as a journalist based in silicon valley I see the the pros and the cons on a daily basis the moon shots to know where the company's they get launched and never VA mount anything than those that become go from small little start in the room of of a Harvard dropout marks Zuckerberg in balloons into something like Facebook so you see at all and I'm and I think that a lot of perspectives are shifting quite quickly as some these companies do you go from small starts to what be approaching if not already reached monopolies of Endre and in fact there's some ways redefining what we think of as monopolies in the world today so and so you basically of the norms and the rules of the digital age they're being established by silicon valley and by China and the black box of China and so that it raises the question from myself as someone who goes back and forth across the land what is the German and what is the European alternative to of the the fit the silicon valley and the China the rules of the internet and and that the for the 4 . our future really is it going to just simply be 1 of tweaking silicon valley a little bit when it steps out of out of line a little too much or is it going to be a unique German and European alternative of President mock from France's talked about injecting European values into the development of artificial intelligence or what is that what are the European values it some you do with social values something to do with the political economy in United States Donald Trump doesn't care about it all and
exact silicon valley and wall street don't really care about although there is right now in in silicon valley there's a little bit of an opening for a for discussing the social impacts of what they're creating their but even some of the the I am Randy though the most ideal liberals CEO's are starting to wait say that maybe maybe we've we've gone to feel foreigners destruction stage so you know what would the European contribution look like that's kind of what I'm interested in the side question says who's going to control the data of the 21st century because the more more that I look at it that is really going to be the key question who controls the data and I'm not just talking about our personal data and what Facebook does or doesn't do it whether it's used in some way for advertising more for fake news or for you know th to be manipulated elections that's important stuff but it doesn't end there it's also a matter of as more more workers are working on line for all labor platforms OK so there is a platform in in silicon valley called up working and they claim they have 10 million freelancers all over the world including tens of thousands of them right here in Germany and you know when they hire a German they don't pay into the Social Security system on behalf of that worker and the worker may not be paying you either the worker may not even be paying income tax because the German governed as necessary now about that relationship between these international online weight labor platforms and the worker so if if people as as as is becomes the the of the future work in more more people are are gaining on access to work through this that that could threaten the of the tax funding for the welfare state it so that's another used as the you know data in terms of for example a B&B but city of Berlin passed a law to try and you know not crack down that the rate of air being be just a rain in a little bit and wall is completely failed a year later the number of the Hostetter Reddy an entire apartments which is sort of the indicator for professionals who are renting out of place 365 days a year not just a spare room and every now and then that has gone up by a of we find act of water 45 50 per cent in the years Sicelo into place so you realize that without the data from this company you really can regulated end of it and a lot is online platforms they sort exist everywhere and nowhere but you know it and if you think about say ford motor company for a ford motor cubby 1 become due to Germany and set up an auto plant they have to get a whole bunch of licenses and permits and they have to get permission and they can just set up just do whatever they want it and they all follow the license and permits they can be fined they can get a lot of trouble they can have their license revoked and shut down that we have to Volkswagen in the diesel gate and scandal at the analog trouble because they broke the rules well with these online platform companies but you know let's say European Commission fined Google 2 comma decimal 4 billion dollars for manipulating search results so when you get on Google News search they were steering you to companies and so sort results that they wanted you to say not necessarily just an open you know our open platform in that way so they find them for that well Google if they said if they will want to say look without paying your fine and we can take our servers in we can move them out of Germany we can move them out of Europe we can move them to an island off the coast of Germany in international waters and you there's nothing you can do regulators and we would still be able to help people journey was still build access our servers so these these these types of companies prevent challenges so the question is what do we do about do we passed the regulations jet General Data Protection Regulation for examples of a start words that do we let these companies self regulate course they promised up and down you saw more CA Burgundy congressional hearings he said yes you know we're going to do better we were promised sorry I heard this before from marks Zuckerberg and some of proposals that would put out the odd things like regulate these companies as public utilities you know the Facebook start a small social network platform anymore as 2 billion users it's a media platform is the largest media platform in the world as it's much larger than any European or German media company or any American major of media company it is becoming in in many ways it's replacing television for a lot of people as their primary source of news entertainment and and and the sort of thing so should we just let safe book The Facebook self-regulate or should we pass regulations to tell Facebook how we want it to to work what would those regulations look like and others have proposed up public of this said public utilities other proposed break up these platforms as monopolies and and and turn them into smaller companies that's being discussed among certain people in the United States right now I'm sure we have a collaborative moltaí but European state the Organization for development of AI sort of like an Airbus for AI development or servant for AI development and so that way you can feel confident that the datasets that are being produced for developing artificial intelligence are being used for the public good and are being used in a proper way and not you know in a way that's going to potentially damage you as an individual because artificial intelligence it takes a lot of data to develop a been i is basically machines looking for pattern recognition is in huge amounts of data and that's how it the know figures out what to do from the form of the toll it's told to do with huge but the sources of data well if you can't trust if if European trust that the source of the of this data are you are you gonna be willing to attend to allow your data to be used this way to develop AI that's a big question I do it will the General Data Protection Regulation which is going to pour la rules around data protection is that going to hurt Europe's ability to have enough data available to develop or a fish Intelligent's that's a real question there has to be thought through should we become data shareholders of our own personal data so that the proposals coming out of Silicon valley is that we will sell them Adi each 1 of us as individuals will all our own data and sell it to them they will be able to quote monetize it is that the rate that is that the way to go I mean how much will you as an individual really deal negotiated good deal for your data with these big huge comes not very much than not you'll get from the PRI pretty small so it would be better to have a conception of our data as social data as I said it's the if needed to use for the development of artificial intelligence so if we can see that as social data rather as personal individual data I mean is is is conceiving as personal individual data just like the extreme end of neo liberal but you know ideology instead of conceiving as social data so this is another question that we really have to talk about so anyway is the ideas that we will get into the panel things like digital licenses digital borders are being discussed right is essentially it's a whole new world we have to figure out a way Europe we let cubbies do what they want and we see some the results of that already and to keep my were just the beginning of the development of these technologies and it is going to get more powerful and more pervasive societies order we take steps now to start thinking about how to harness the power of artificial intelligence horrors the power of the products at these companies are producing without getting so many of the downsides that's really the challenge before force and so I look forward to join with all of you during Q and A. my fellow panels as we debate discuss these ideas thank you that if they of this think a
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concepts before becomes a dig into these concepts of it like to ask you lyin' before of as an opening as Stephen says it's a whole new world how do you approach this whole new world in from scientific point of view and what that say it's will basically do we have enough data about these trends to deal with them and scientific base way OK then that 2 remarks I want to make and has an answer the 1st is that from a social scientist perspective much of the debate that we're having about the potentially positive and negative effects of beatification of big data or not more than plausible theories we know very very little about the impact of Big Data practices on individuals on groups on vulnerable or groups on societies as a whole and we know very little about medium-term it impact and long-term impact this is due to too many reasons 1st of all we lack and access to the whole system of of of practices based on big data we do not have access to the data that is being used we know very little about the algorithms that are being used and but more importantly we know very little about the whole context where these practices take place take place the uses this kind of analysis with what aim who takes part in this and again what is the impact on individuals groups etc. so this is 1 point from a scientist perspective that we need to raise again and again is that much of what we hear in public discussions about the threats or about the chances of big data are Plaza but we we do not know much about it another point I want to raise from a social science perspective is that you've rightly addressed many many problems or challenges in the end there's not 1 regulation for everything regulator exercise is a very complex and regulation of complex so when we discuss all these problems it is important to keep in mind that we have very different regulatory approaches for different risks and for different problems so some of the problems we have due to big data concern privacy rights another problem we have concerns more discrimination off other groups or of protected groups another risk is manipulation another risk is this information another risk is simply to increase social inequalities the order already there another problem is the 1 of the big monopolies and so on and so on so it's very important to keep in mind that our we should not look for 1 regulation of 4 1 approach but there may be many at available and the way I view the discussion about the regulation of Big Data is that it is not true that there are not enough ideas around when you study different proposals for how we can react to these problems you will realize that that there are more a regulatory suggestions and ideas then you can possibly think about and we have a lot so what we lack is the will to actually of regulate and what we lack is also as I said it's not it's about how different regulation can impact the system how successful it can be so what is important on the 1 hand is to try to understand why despite having many ideas of how to break up Facebook all of how to protect privacy or citizens' rights white many of these proposals are not even discussed part discussed in very small circuits then as a last point answering this question the what could be a European approach I want to stress that from a social science perspective we realize that much of the regulation that is being and introduce right now for example with the GDP and much of the debate centers very much on the rights of the individual for example the right explanation or the rules for consent giving to data collection processing and but we have a long long history of collective powers and this is something that I would really like to see more in our debates in our regulation is to think about how organizations how civil society groups Ngô was labor unions that churches and the various aspects of state institutions can be can come into the game mammoths so that we do not have a discussion that centers early on the relationship between the user and Facebook with all its incredibly big power estimate trees but that we think more about how intermediate groups and civil society organizations that already exist and they have some kind of power that is superior to the power of the individual user can be harnessed for such a vision just to give a very brief concrete example in Germany we have recently introduced the possibility of a class action lawsuits there in the area of data protection and that means that it is not the responsibility not only the fund's ability of the individual at 2 at possible as a lawsuit on a company as Facebook that it can't use an NGO federation and to do this process them because we know that for individual it's very very difficult and very costly to engage in a lawsuit and so this is an attempt to try to harness the power of collective organizations and I think that many ways where we can for what the go forward in this direction they kill it and this just switch to I
better you represent 1 of these interest groups leader just mentioned was very how like you yourself perceiving the challenges that as Stephen just mentioned and which is maybe the most important and hub while can be addressed them and maybe with this kind of European perspective in your work OK lots and lots of challenges come as trade unionists we our citizens and workers and I think there are both pollute perspectives are really important and I'm trying
to just 2 issues out of this bunch of issues and what are the most important issues right now I think I am talking about civil rights talking about human dignity talking about the risk of the loss of privacy which is also a threat to the freedom of expression to the freedom of opinion I think there is a Democratic issue here and there is a structural issue of working world which is a different issue there is a different issue of new dependencies the issue of safety is another issue so I think we should make it a little bit more clear do we talk about AI and autumn what automated decision procedures and processes that are based on big data and we have no clue what comes out of that decision it's rather a game or do we talk about general digitalization and the use of data and who owns data and how do algorithms work and all this I think we we should should make this a little bit more clear as a trade union we also fight for democratic rights democratic rights for society and for the working world and big data is a big challenge for both we want to use the digitalization for in the working world to make the working world better to make it healthier to make it more enjoyable to make it better pay more democratic Moko decided less precarious and more meaningful there are many chances and we did just 2 weeks ago we organized a conference on the issue of common goods in the digital world and how we can contribute to this as workers so meaningfulness means that a word is Moore's satisfiable when you actually work for something that contributes to the common good and so we have a look at what are the special challenges and chances created big data on for example we can look at water supply just a few years ago water supply was connected to the Internet which is a real danger and they stop that they they look for more technological sovereignity there on a local level on a national level transnational level so we have to check the technology we have to have informed workers but we also have to have this could connection to society as such so I think looking at both sides we have a Democratic part we do not want to live in in just has been announced the next speech is going to be about the credit score system in China which is a huge threat of foreign society as such as well as for the working world we do not want to have a system established of total surveillance so we have to make sure that this does not to take in the working place in the working world and we want to make sure that it does not take their place in society as such but so we have to make some additional decisions were how we how we deal with these issues and therefore I think to tackle it down a little bit we should focus on the issue of democracy on the 1 hand in society and working world and on the issue of security because I think it's a huge threat to security if we have automated decisions on a databases we cannot control this a perfect work for for my
kids but the but before before I hand over to make is you entity mentions 1 very important thing we are talking here on us is that the
challenges that Steve mentioned our very different levels of of the antitrust questions what David company it get us so many data through their better effects that they that they have an advantage nobody as I can't keep up that we have the personal data question we have the AI question of what happens out of using the data may be a including for integrating in your opening statement but yes you can give us help us to frame these different levels a little bit and water and introduce what the algorithm watch is concentrating on well that is great it
all of this I would probably not be able to achieve that kind of and I I was going to comment on on a couple of things so already said on the panel and 1 of these things is that you know there's been a lot of discussion about the European aspect it in all of this and the European
values and calling his interview refer to the European values and so far I have difficulty seeing anyone spelling out what these European values are and I've ever heard anyone say what exactly is it that we're talking about is that individual liberty I felt the U.S. were making a big deal out of that you know is it is it freedom is that the quality and all probably letter-quality thing is is getting us somewhere because the United States as a society seemingly is willing to accept a lot more inequality them for example many European countries do so is that something that we could work with and if so then we would of course have to spell out what it means in dealing with the challenges we're we're facing but at the same time I really disagree with the assessment that there is an unwillingness for example regulated we've had a lot of regulation in the last years in the last 10 to 15 years that were concerned with the challenges of digitization and there are many examples of badly done regulation now we've been talking about the will in Germany and that I mean that that's that's out what it's termed internationally because license should select for classifier lager is not really something that translates well into English right so this this is not a law that anyone in Germany from the academic point of view from the civil society point of view or from the Economist point of view were really in favor of state of government enacted it and now the European Union is trying to put this on the European level that is something that is a hurdle to the development of ideas in Europe in all that are dealing for example with new ideas in journalism that could be quite useful in combating monopolistic tendencies that we see in companies like Facebook all probably go in all but
these companies are usually very 1st of all willing and capable to comply with these laws because they have tons of lawyers and even more money to throw at these issues you know in comparison to many is small and medium-sized companies in Europe and so what I think is that we need to and that was already said look at this entire issue on a very Diffie and shit differentiated level and that is difficult because everyone is expecting answers to the big questions is Facebook to storing democracy where if you ask me no not really at least not in the next 2 to 3 years right I mean democracy has been here for quite a while and there are challenges to democracy and they have always been challenges to democracy and probably starker ones then we're facing right now but yes of course we need to look at this and suggestions like looking at all were defining these companies more like public utilities or infrastructure are in our opinion that were then watch much more that I don't wanna call it realistic you know because it's it's quite a long way before we can achieve that but they were pertinent and more actually addressing the problems that we have in because if you for example argue as many people do that Facebook is the media company we would disagree we say we would say no Facebook is not a media company Facebook is not just technological to would this that distributes information because we all know that the information there's cure rated and that is a very powerful function that Facebook exerts but at the same time it's not a media company it's not creating content the way the New York Times or should be go online is creating content right and as a matter of fact we don't want them to give the rights of a media company I mean it's not just about the liabilities and the duties it's also about the rights of media companies that we do not want to assign to a company like Facebook so you know it's it's it's always this we always looking at this huge question of how to regulate this whole field of digitization and then when we look at it closer we realize that all we have to look at it in a in a more and they of micro perspective to will be able to address the problems I mean as know already said we've had regulation on algorithms and digitization in many many different sectors starting from the financial system to for example public utilities and the and the medical sector what other options for measures that we have beyond our a tentative
to regulate what our what can we talk about the next that where regulation regulation I'm if if we're not just talking about loss
because laws are show in a in a democratic society should be the last resort in all we should only in Eq lost if we have no other way to war mitigate a situation you onto a to solve a problem that we see as a society
so if you look if we look at different kinds of regulation we have technological standards there's a lot of standard-setting activities around the world the I. triple E. and the German Dean in all the it's like the Standards organization Germany they're looking at standardizing the I procedures will we be able to in 2 would also figure in ethical concerns there not in the sense that we have ethical machines because there are no such things as as as ethical machines will we be able by using these processes to heighten the attention that there needs to be ethical guidance in designing bowls procedures in a way that we would not have discriminating 1 unduly discriminating procedures in the end that we will not have procedures in the end that you know or take away all the money from the from the have nots and through redistributed to the to the rich people in the world yeah right I mean this is this is what we're what we're trying to war achieve but there as I said before we make any laws especially not the laws that we've you know been looking at in the last couple of years we should find other other passes to of versus a success they just
have 1 4 up you you had a conversation about this the steering and deep fight enough for the fall of the thought regret but here you have on his point that the a very condensed rather regular at a 4 bit certain technologies we need to at Table people are a empower people better to use them could hear the Liberated both on on this idea yet what were you know we just haven't this is not like not advertising this what we just haven't and USA by my colleague building on our website where she's arguing that all she's getting an example of regulating the cop I mean the Codd is a technology that's been around for quite a while rifle of to us it's completely normal the way that the traffic functions
and so on and so forth it wasn't that at the beginning they will tremendous and fears associated with cause there were people who were assigned to walk in front of cars with the red flag soul that the call would not run someone over right and it took a while to to grapple with this new challenge and to make sense of it and then in the end we made regulation that said you can drive portion instead of folks beta but that doesn't mean that you can go 150 miles in town right you have to abide by the same rules as anyone no matter what technology you using right so we were not limiting technology in that sense we would giving guiding got guidelines to people as a society we were saying this is how you need to use this technology and this is exactly how we need to deal with the technology that we are confronted with now this is not so much about the regulating algorithms it's about regulating how as a society we can employ immune probably in some cases must not employed these technologies and what this means in this specific case we only can discuss with with the specific example not in general the
only his job real quick and I mean I agree with much of what you say Meteos except I also disagree with a rather fundamental point it comes down to you know is this time
fundamentally different than when we invented the cars and I was I would assert that it is in in a number of ways but the way of thinking of right now is that in the example that your colleague use with developing cars the cars were were right there the companies producing them right there the the government overseeing the development that had the ability to to monitor its domestic market and to and at some point when it decided something about the domestic market wasn't working right it was easy for it to correct that the companies that are being produced out of silicon valley and of China we don't even know at some point China is gonna come rolling into the global markets with whatever they're developing their these companies as I said they exist everywhere and nowhere on you he he he you really is the is the ability of the radiation like Germany or a Union like the EU to monitor and regulate its domestic markets is is under threat but because these companies the said they can do with they want and you can try regulate them and they can pay attention if they want or they can say sorry were not going to do that I mean you know right now silicon valley has decided to sort of like go along with the European and European they liked it regulators more than the United States OK we know it's a huge market we don't have a big fight with them right now will go along with things like the GDP or the flying for 2 comma decimal 4 billion because for Google that's nothing on the fine for Apple in ireland because that was nothing for art for Apple ultimately I but think that they they could just as easily say were not didn't follow any of your rules i've laws of what would Europe do at that point an editor from 1st or adjust right out of it
the maybe I can jump in because I want to stress the point that its I think it's very
important to you not to have to choose between different kinds of regulation beta ethical sonnets be through laws speed through digital self-defense professional codes etc. and so when before and said what we lack is not ideas for regulation that implementation re-regulation mean exactly this we have we have 1st attempts to regulate but we might realize that this solves just a tiny fraction of the problem and we might realize that Facebook sometimes complies sometimes doesn't but it's not that we're out of our toolkit there's so many more things that you can do the thing is that you can you can prevent Facebook from operating on the European market the thing is that nobody at the moment dares to do that is that policy of lawmakers and the good and data protection authorities that that have the up it the obligation or at least at the task to to control and lack staff they lack resources so the laws we have are not even really implemented and I think this is something that will go on with the new GDP the way it is actually the way it will be implemented is going to be negotiated in these negotiations are starting right now so we still don't know how the GDPR is going to change the picture but there's so many more things that you could do the thing is that decision-makers are really reluctant to do so why because they're kind of afraid that Facebook and other companies will actually leave the European market political parties and bureaucracies use Facebook a lot and another thing is that there's some kind of at least until recently some kind of belief that the U.S. market is some kind of a model everybody wanted to has his own silicon valley so this is probably what you mean when you say we need new visions but unto recently there was really this idea that what we need is more entrepreneurs and more start and they should some look like silicon valley in we need more silicon valley mentality so when you see it that way you will not throw out the leaders of the market another thing is that you you tend to this this whole problem of companies that leaving the market can and you can create unemployment's solicit views of very in common narrative that have been used for not regulating the companies and and you see that with Facebook and Google too so I think it's not that politicians are or lawmakers are powerless but they don't choose to reuse of power and it doesn't help that the European Union is not this is not an high teen right there's no real the perturbation has not commented on it
it's it's your turn but just 1 simple question to the audience fuel I would like to see Facebook Twitter and Google banned from the European market hands up good where there isn't
any in book but at the moment I saw I saw about 5 10 OK I only now that you're turn the well certainly not the now it's me I think we can work on alternatives and we should work on alternatives Facebook was against German and European law since it's it is existence so there should have been but much more law enforcement and standing up for for asking for standards and respecting standards so and if that does not work and as we can see that we do have that social media is communication
global communication tool that is like a global communication market then we have to promote other at as tonnages that does not mean that it has to be stated run on something like this but alternatives can be promoted and they can be they can get financial help and there has to be criteria for it so we have to talk about the we have to talk about technical design we have to talk no we don't we have to talk about ethical design and I think there are many chances what we can actually do some we should we should decide what our what are infrastructures that we really need and there is a lack of determinative because if there is a lack of alternatives we have to look for in a tentative and we have to create an alternative others is a law question I think talking about the the question of what should be integrated and what could be done a different this is something that we should focus on Our ethical standards like privacy our ossicles standards like the possibility for co-determination it as as a design question saying you could say that it has to be a technology that is often has also standards it has to be a technology that that you can still perform that that you can control your way at the workplace we ask for example we do have a legal right to say for co-decision if the technology can be used for surveillance so we have to make sure that we can analyze that tool can be used for surveillance and this is also a design questions so it's an organizational question and it's and design whether to drop the point but thank you for what you were before before we go on we have a time the problem because the promised
you to to the really really really really keep you joining we have 7 minutes left are there questions are very important question we have to take in maybe just a very short and the guy right question other but because the 1 time for our last closing wrong we always try to run behind silicon valley with regulation that will be the same thing we will never reached and they will always be in advance so we rather should look into something would be good take over and with that could be with that we more or less look into the missing layer of the Internet that the density layer so that we would work on the the
technologies which helped creating this layer which is missing at the moment and this would also help passing by on all these roadblocks from the big companies what you think about that that's from
a real real quick you know when you think of silicon so as I've heard so many germs people say we you know how we copy silicon value cannot copy silicon valley when you think of silicon valley the 1st thing you could think it should think of is military contracts because for decades that has been the basis for Silicon Valley's
success and then from there they get venture capital funding and they can put up for lab into different ideas 7 out of 10 startups in silicon valley fail 9 out of 10 never make any money it space the casino of gambling on companies that most of which are gonna failed but you have that stable military funding so it could it continues so in Germany and Europe has to find a completely different way Michigan really boost up your military spending and have them do like a DARPA for Germany or something like this which I don't see happening the the the challenge for me is as I said these companies are fundamentally different from the traditional brick-and-mortar companies they can set up anywhere in the world and they can be anywhere in the world the only country really who has stopped Facebooking Google from doing what it does is China shut them out which brings system it uses question and as a result of a Chinese version of Facebook and Google now I have started in their fortune 500 companies and I look at Europe where you have not Airbus for example you have certain you have these molds I state international collaborative efforts to do really high-quality science and research and it seems to me that this is the direction for it for Europe and for Germany is creating a kind of Airbus for artificial intelligence development for algorithm development where you assuring sharing resources it makes the point quite sense for jury to be competing against France when it comes to AI development and yet if you're not careful that's where things are going to go the other thing that disrupt quickly is that we we need to create well of Michael digital licenses so as I said the ford motor company they have decided to licenses and permits when they come here these companies coming to German Europe should also have to sign onto a digital license that says Here's what the rules or here's what you may and may not do with our data we'll maybe we want a copy of the data because we wanna be able to create public interest datasets for AI development so Facebook we won a copy of all your data there's lots of things you can put into these digital licenses and and that and could make them enforceable in a way that China as forces on Facebook to have opted for a given laughter out rear-area
lacking from kind of concept of about regulations relating enforcement about right because the regulations and reallocating work in the territory of and what's what do we knew we do we need something like I like the just promoted or what is your vision your positive vision for for us in Germany and Europe or maybe a universal OK the positive vision is orient on human dignity in the new design
making process and also take care of privacy and text while while doing this design process and create new comments I think there's a big chance we have an an open government open data on a long but is this open data on all have elects the criteria on what is going to be collected it lacks clear rules about privacy what to use and not to use and it has no rules whatsoever on the private sector which tends to gain more and more data which is really important for the public so there is a new initiative right now on the EU level where it where it starts at least a little bit a new directive to gain data from the private sector to and I think that makes total sense to have a new public comments on data thank you some people might be surprised if I say I completely agree with what just said because I don't think there is a a just a position to what I said before because I do think that there needs to be a lot more initiative by the public sector in Europe toward help them design solutions that we'd like you know from a value point of view and this can be based on on data that we share on data that we force others to share what we need grounds for that and this is the challenge that we're facing right now I'm a little uneasy Stephen I have to admit with the example of China being able to keep out out the American companies in designing their own alternatives I don't think that's the way that we want to go for it but they were successful and we need to find some other optional and there but the it will hopefully look very different than in China right where your beloved so my answer would be very brief and I would never go for the or I think we need everything and I think we need at times to some kind of break of Facebook rain Indian implement our laws find new also we need professional collards we need affix we need individual defense we need all of these and I think we should go forward and not try to you know play 1 out against the other thank you so much dear audience I think there's a lot to
do we know what to do maybe a thank you for all these impressions and yeah
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Titel Who will control Big Data, the currency of the digital age?
Serientitel re:publica 2018
Autor Hill, Steven
Ulbricht, Lena
Spitz, Malte
Mühlberg, Annette
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DOI 10.5446/36111
Herausgeber re:publica
Erscheinungsjahr 2018
Sprache Englisch

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Abstract Facebook and Google suck up our personal data and turn it into fake news, engagement algorithms and “psychographic messaging” fed by Russian bots and digital stealth operatives trolling for Brexit and Donald Trump's election. A battle is looming over who will control this sea of data and artificial intelligence, with the needs of the public interest and private, Internet-based businesses often in conflict. What can be done to promote innovative policy approaches about the use of Big Data, and to develop a social economy for the digital age?

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