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Hacking the Ivory Tower: Towards Lab Equipment as a Common Good

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my it works so well come so open signs and physical open science hardware honey scientists who do we have in the room all at the majority I familiar are
you with the topic of incest you're aware of the protein's of open signs I guess that's why you here and we all visitors to Republican so we're other the relevance of the topic wearing a tee to have 4 some excellent panelists so they on the state to this gas open Access open signs of incidents hardware together and that is to have boy for once from Cameroon can the other way
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than genome lot 1 of them to K like from Egypt and as a local
representative Lucy Petterson from left for Berlin so in the small town like with for some people and it said quite a diverse range of people and grabbed it's who that discuss with you so it
was like so that's added Thomas can you please tell us what to do and why you do it looking thank you Joel got only at session in the universe develop yet for them
in this is still present as you see I was involving what was it called was a so a US went by the Garden government to document today the document the the obstacles to adoption of open sets interface Burkina Ficano trees and what now for the decree thought port of the switch as was 9 going it's even just that's acuity in a our big books and and this small at the beginning of his wanna read the results that because this is shown in in in Africa by Africans and for all of the countries that like a co-decision about our different understanding of the the the the maker movement alpha open sounds and had way in such a way that in order to to tool to behave the support from Insight due to leave an undue gene was the support about movement in Africa and had been match DCL so and
also my my own spaces income the the 1 that we tease like do that a few additional for my utopia of might on his understanding of the Maker Movement how can he be or a fight in Michael context in my view this so that that is what them and doing as you thank you and yeah and turning from
from Kemmerer to Kay so how did you get involved in open signs and what is currently working on and say I got involved in it and
science and when I was an undergraduate may because I saw an open source software particular clever practices that is being useful for doing science come quite a community oriented person and say it's time to quite a lot with my own values and how I work and now I'm ambitious with fellow at the University Cambridge and I'm researching pathways to an open sustainable inequitable bioeconomy some a biologist by training and this is really looking at kind of how we can harness biology 3 by technology and to produce it's and and kind of you do economic activities using biology moving on from agriculture implementation which we know very very old technologies to kind of new ways of doing things and the 1 of the barriers to to doing that is there and significant capacity of building is required to engage in that by economic activity particularly low resource environments if you could meet next slide please thank you save and he can see lab space is a typical molecular
biology lab and so the real problem is that biology needs and physical tools materials reagents I'm sure many of you in the room as attendees a very up to speed with digital sharing of knowledge content data and but when you may find to the space of research and tools and annoying biology balls a chemistry and other disciplines
managing a Commons looks very different to managing a commons of software digital information and say the Internet is incredible but isn't this and it can't get you and chemicals and vortex machines and the polymerase chain reaction than the cyclist the making copies of DNA and you need to actually physically have that equipment with you to do the biology and so in that sense part of the the my researches Baker's on the idea that building a commons of lab equipment is not inherently a problem of openness in terms that I licensing that's important but but insufficient actually have a growing pipeline of off patent equipment tools and biologic reagents and also born open designs from organizations like an open plant to and worked for for 3 or so years which is in a UK person that biology Research Center creating open tools for to genetically engineering plants and say that this is insufficient because it doesn't solve the problem that she having the thing in front of you and so Palmer researched addressing how to make these open tools actually accessible and useful in the context of doing science and this brings in a whole host of complexities around infrastructure a logistics politics commercial markets and that's the context in which we have to build this commons and some interested in in those types of questions and that's not to say it in such property isn't important and 1 of the major point the I'd like to bring to the table is really how do we position openness as a strategic choice for delivering the outcome of science that we want to see and I at coming from well within an ivory tower I see that the conversation just often doesn't include openness in that sense as I really want to shift the narrative and particularly within institutions that can sometimes you patent protection is an outcome and some an achievement and something to be celebrated in its own right and so this relies I think auditory generic and hockey cracking the ivory tower from within and outside and was sometimes demonstrating that the ivory tower doesn't need to be hacked we can just kind of do this stuff anyway and and say the gathering vacant science hardware is out 1 such events that gap as that sort of community and I've been a co-organizer that since 2015 and we have over 350 researchers technologists engineers policymakers on forum and we meet once a year in person this year we're going to Shenzhen in October and and say we developed a rate maps collaboratively with over 100 community contributors and to make open hardware
ubiquitous in science by 2025 eating checked out on the web site we aim to learn as much as we can about community
support a community and scale and the number and diversity of that community of people developing using a size hardware and its label distribution and I guess just to finish kind of the the goal of a lot the projects I'm involved in in particular I would say the gosh it the gathering on the
road map is to try and move science to wards communal accessible collaborative practices and away from some of the more kind of and proprietary individualistic practices that we see now and demonstrate in what context that can have a really positive impact on the economy on society and I'll and with thank you very much an untiring from Egypt you're
the founder of the character spacing of coming from
the other direction emerging science and the maker movement here and you also vary by come to visitors at the Amaker space just outside that's especially with context and Egypt and your experience as a hacker and maker how to relate to science how did you find the scientific community and how do you think the can benefit
from the hacker movement 1st not a scientist I'm a software engineer and since 2009 when we found a character
space our goal and or mission I guess was to teach people in Egypt and in different cities in Egypt about what is active space and we wanted them to stop hackers spaces because we so that it makes sense in in that region there because of economical problems or over or or other problems of maybe I don't know about and and sharing knowledge and the openness of factor space would make sense in education of all all its levels so well and then we started doing that the maker expressed by and we need a road trip to stop expand on and reach areas in the use of that we never visited before the never he'd about the stove before since that time during that time since 2009 we we try to make impact in education and we try to make in that quiz undergrad students to make them do a bit of projects and and be more efficient and be more creative and convince them about the openness and the share of the knowledge so the can come up with is that the prose but ideas or or read
the effective innovations the last year we we we saw that there is an area that was where we see it's very good can use but there it still needs but which is science or or researching journal a technical research but prolapsed perspective off what you would you do in a maker space or Hacker space so well wait we decided to make to see I mean none of us is is a scientist or researcher but but we were trot we are trying right now still to see what is the problems or or how to fix it or how to
make the research whether it's in the university or outside the institution more effective and and and and actually happened and and reach everywhere in the warmer than people can benefit from so we of trying to make the hacker space as we make it more friendly to little kids and make it more habitable and enough space for college students we 1 also give del portunity and the chance to that that the community the research and the science community to start that all Community inside Backus space not Caracas-based science hackers space was thought hackers BizWiz this mentality to do research in this space how we started right now we are trying to work did that that the basic The basic tools and that we can put our hands on whether we believe that our cells or we take a different approach offered of building it from scratch but maybe try to find it cheap on ebay broken try to fix it or even a reverse-engineered so this is a little bit of acting and maybe breaks ID will or patterns or whatever but we are taking it from our approach what we wanna make this research happen and then we don't really take care of the shores from in my country so all did the letter the have this stuff like that patent and stuff do really respected in the law maybe we can just get something out by that time
so yeah that's that's so what we're doing right now word regarding this and and we hope it will make him but we we haven't started at its plant it to the lab to open in the next month starting with basic tools and components for a robotics and should intelligence shouldering and the tools and that's needed for that and we are looking to a it was the people of the needs to try to fix these problems and and try to work together to build or hack or reverse engineered the tools that's needed in the space thank you were much and now let's go to the Berlin context and says originally a Berlin Conference going international has been senescence in the last couple of years and that as the local Lucy can you tell us about your work with them signs like the Berlin but yeah so I guess what we're doing with Symantec table-in is is kind of pretty similar to a
Terek steering but in the Berlin context so I'm my background is in molecular biology a come from an academic background that I Kenneth over the years from myself getting quite disillusioned with the way things were working inside the institution in some ways and came into contact with this political science fact they in 2013 it's a global concept actually that was initiated in 2010 from a designer called aerial Waldman in San Francisco and by now there are local chapters local editions of Symantec in cities all around the world and it's an open-source plan that anybody can take
use and implement in their own context and so yeah I was started in 2013 and was a participant very nervous as a scientist not really knowing what it meant that's had a fantastic experience met some really interesting diverse people from different backgrounds and different disciplines and then joined the organizing team the next year so maybe I can have the next slide yeah I just wanted to put together a few impressions of what it's like It's a Hackathorn 1
weekend once a year without 5 editions so far we bring together under 80 people and their scientists of different disciplines designers developers artists and anyone who's kind of
enthusiastic about science and making things rapid prototyping drinking at the party and so yeah staying up late so we can we go back thanks yeah so it starts with some kind of Lightning Talks and we have pictures from the participants for the projects they wanna build they form teams and then they hacker over the weekends and presented on a sunday and we give out prizes for different different categories and really I think the outcome of it is not so much the hacks that inmates which can be very weird at is not you can't really builds anything back substantial over 1 weekends that's it's more about the experience of working together with people from different disciplines in different backgrounds under this weird intense pressure and kind of 3 that getting to understand how the other people's minds work to a certain extent and seeing how different it can be to build things in create things in that context and and what it does I think is it builds this social community this interdisciplinary Community and it's kind of a transformative experience we you realize how different it could be how science could be something different to what you would experience insights as typical institutions and yet we're of volunteer team and we all we ask is that if you join a hackathon you make something that is so it's an open brief we we're very we don't have an accelerator program we're not gonna like kind of kick off some new starts up through this thing we're really very consciously kind a hold it open space for like you to express yourself to Kennedy we use things of things that don't necessarily have commercial value so this is it we have space for artistic hacks for critical hacks for random stuff and but also for civic projects projects stay that that maybe open-source hardware like we're talking about here and also kind of frugal practices doing science in a different way and for different motivations and different challenges than you would to inside an institution and yeah and the reason that we do this is yeah we're really
trying we believe in open science in them so the broadest way which I helped create this knowledge society where everyone has access to sciences it as knowledge but also as a practice and we see that academia and doesn't necessarily have this on the agenda are not in the same way there's a bunch of reasons why that doesn't really happen through academia so yeah it's small contribution to this whole world but we're we're doing what we can thank you and now in the VQ but the slides
was as an inspirational as a reference so would in each of the finalists just and she's about or spoke about their work and can I have a please married reflection on what's a key challenges but US aliki opportunities that you see it in your respective work and there are also some trying to refers to the question what can both communities learn from each other so what is the common ground on which we in the hacker movement and the scientific community the right away I what
what they're what are we trying to to to learn now and then what we because because I would really like to to to a thing that we concentrated on for for some time which
is it's it's not related but what working was wizard was kids like take its normal school education but it started by accident and then we we we learned a lot from this from this experience that we understand it the meaning of what we are doing and and how we how al how can we be in benefits for society and and when we sold the students relating to the subjects that the like and and being excited and coming up with new ideas and and more interested in in our place in in in in the hackers bees or make a space than other people would we saw that we had to concentrate and and and and and learn more from this experience and then now we a working in that field of of of of technical research and and and Sciences we we think we think that will teach us more about what we are doing and and from hacker or make a perspective I don't call myself Akaroa maker but it would be challenging that we enjoy and and and I think that will be a very beneficial for for the for the community for the scientific community because if science in 3rd or or or these challenge it it if you challenges hackers in hackers spaces with these problems you you would get a lot of benefits in in in in the community because of that like for example a 3-D printing the printing have been always proprietary it have been always there as it is right now and it started developing and it it became much much but that are much much cheaper when the company on the patent lose lost the bad and the bath and basically expired 3-D-printing as you see it right you like right now I've been in universities and companies that since the early nineties this like they're the famous type if the the 1 you see most commonly this have been there it during the nineties we even had it in used during the nineties in the universities but it was looked inside rooms so was when it was introduced to the hacker community it groats so big and and and liberty elect like some of these companies that had a these proprietary systems the ended up right now literally list the link from the open-source upgrades that the community made really really really fast so all I'm just I'm I'm not talking like in that in that debate but I'm just giving an example about about something that before like maybe 5 years ago opium that people now that haven't seen a 3-D printer the want even imagine that collects a printer the print something anything on your disk so so we are trying to get this competition inside the hackers this community like our community for now and we we would love to see other hackers spaces to do that so we can have more challenges in the 3-D printer example with other tools I agree with you that not everything can be done and even things can be done it won't be perfect or won't be really beneficial for science right now because because maybe it's it's already advance and we need more and so as a bit of than than what you would get from something that dude's DIY but it's also following the research and development so it will develop fast as the open-source 3D-printed the vowel and and yes so that's that's that's the examples I keep telling myself to believe in in what we wanna do in character space so we can keep doing it and and believe that we can actually make an impact this idea I'm sorry people and the answer is the fast in my view
cells going there because in academia shown that we developed tool to society and and I leave this so sending often look at people edition but the way science is known in many university in Africa and particularly income along a doesn't really fast he did it call it disconnection between society and the university so they don't for me says can then from the
from the hacker movement in in many ways demo off a leader in them for the food corn abolition because the hacker movement back given that it so the idea of commands 1 moment of openness and what isn't that portable which readout and evaluating their morphine ASEAN about yeah gender geographic ample electric and barriers so and the the sense of has also to learn from and their hackable thinking them all of the community you know how come to hacker movement use the Gosselin movements will fall in order to fast did the connection between university associates the theory and we should know this says so on the institution shown on here the community before and try to solve the problem for all what did news coming from that that's what's so that this might winter thank you very much this from experience from the SN
sector Berlin and also the communities that you work for us really throughout the year that you interact with us as a father cure to raise hand under another program already see the challenges in the meeting of makers and scientists and also 1 at school practice examples yeah so but there are tremendous opportunities and things like Tariq said in terms of yeah pushing the development of technologies inside science and in innovation and that can definitely be inspired by the kind of methodologies that we use inside the hacker movement and inside by a hacking India where science in these communities
but I think there is a bit of a risk of just and just co-opting those methodologies that institutions will just take those in kind of that the the yeah the practical side the pragmatic side of how you can release more innovation inside an institution or access innovation outside of the institution or you know you have these really fun interactive ways of engaging with the public poets society and kind of communicating science but if you just take those sides of what the hacker movement is and and that's it then you kind of missed part of the points of of what it is that we're doing here so I think the hacker movement is really it's about breaking down elites it's about opening knowledge so that everyone in society has equal access to it it's about building a Commons together that we're all parts of that we all can use and also contribute back to and so if these hacker methodologies adjust utilized by those in the institutions without any kind of self-reflection about who has agency in this situation and that can be that can be that's that you've missed the opportunity basically in the big opportunity here with with with DIY and with the hack of the forces to you really break down those hierarchies into to scale science so that more people in different context be it locally here in Berlin and from different backgrounds and different disciplines can be part of the scientific process will be in other contexts in other countries where you just don't have the the financial capacity to build these the kind of elites and institutions that we have in the West so yeah it's what we're trying to do is ready build a new culture building new way of doing science and like Thomas said really learning from how the hacker communities organize themselves so yeah that's and that's what I'd have to say you wanted some specific examples of yeah we also take that later it's quite as
a last question before we opening up for the audience subtle pose questions and engage in the discussion maybe it antigen with the ends sense this is also an intimate conference started is the the internet provides a posting the opportunities with open science in general and particular for concerns hardware and exchange of knowledge and also equipment or the global research community also again referring to the goal that you have was a roadmap for open signs hardware to be a cook ubiquitous by 2025 all this provides a huge opportunity to kind of reach out to make those connections all over the world and say you all forums stands every continent I wouldn't say we got the polls included but we have we certainly have
these number people who are actively asking questions and cabarets from each other sharing digital designs and I think I think 1 of the key and kind innovations at the at the that has arisen from a greater accessibility of dish to fabrication equipment is the idea that you you no longer require the same level of craftsmanship as you previously did is because you can design it and then share and make its and the barrier to entry is really low it and say to the Internet is fantastic for that meeting but at source kg converts of your designs the hardware it to an extent enables collaboration around those designs people come for projects they can add improvements but certainly in the gosh community that is an entirely true because if you're going to improve a piece of hardware used actually the hardware for you generally to do that and say we have a collaborative projects that arose out of gosh 2017 which is developing a single pixel camera and platform which is basically allowing you to use 1 single pixel sensor which could be a very advanced sense of just using 1 pixel and use fancy maps and software to basically and produce a nice image using just 1 pixel this is my limited understanding of how the technology works and then effectively the way that's been done is to create a circuits that been distributed around the world to different participants and now they're interacting online there's been some great filmed conversations on you tube between keep you actually understand it so the projects and people you don't so we can kind of you that's so I think to an extent it's it's actually transformative in allowing those kinds of operations happen but it definitely has a limitation and I think with that with the hardware with biological techniques with these hands on activities there's an element of kind of tacit knowledge and sticky knowledge that is very difficult to transmit through the written word has an even really 3 videos and say I feel like spaces that Turek and Thomas and the see creating this kind of impasse in communities of practice as still very much necessary when we're talking about lab tools and equipment and that's the reason that we continue tab in-person meetings around a concise hardware and it's not just the digital community I mean in-person meetings a fantastic for other reasons the kind of you know forming social bonds than meetings accords and as a feed and by thing I think that that's another divided I'm I'm fascinated this kind of evalution all of and the transition between digital and physical because we see happening with 3-D printing but we also see happening in biology the transmission of DNA sequencing and that we did DNA sequences and the growing capacity to synthesize DNA to write DNA as well as read it means that you in the future you will be able to ship the did send the DNA sequence by e-mail and someone can effectively prints out the other end that's happening slowly and in in both contexts as this kind of yeah digestif physical call stuff happening there yet it still does require that physical element so it's yes transformative but it does have its limitations in this context other aspects that from the panel to this
particular question at this point estate let's open up for you guys they have some specific questions that you want to ask or so and specific questions for that matter please join us of France so I would like to ask about like 2 issues particularly of the differs 1 is about like like the so called station of the packet on all of the formant so we have no hackathons for everything but that they that is not scalable in in terms of of creating a sustainable relationship usages that
we can Evans where people meet and most of that is Thailand us in in Europe us so I think that that there is a need to receive that cooptation like like hacking to hack step to be critical about this whole format to create this long-lasting relationships I like to to do spend about that and is a cool 1 is about like hacking pollution was of the thing that that we tax ideas is with excise like trying to hack size inside science like in that the allow but the way that that sciences up by the date it is not in that places he sees simple region and patterns sorry that so what could be like the the that connects these hacking science inside and inside the academy and labs tool hacking pollution and the places where they size is validated outside academia maybe I say something to the Hackathorn packing the Hackathorn point yeah totally right away 1 weekend it doesn't change anything what we do with science hectares we realized this and about 3 years ago we
also launched a meet up so we have a regular meets at twice a month we have their stances which is for the non-Germans because that's where you get together and discuss this in any of the of an evening with some beers and without a hacked lab which is like a one-day hack pretty low a low level that we don't organize all kinds of catering in black and so we thought that would be the answer to the problem and it definitely keeps the community a feeling alive and it's a place where people can always find us but I don't think even that's enough to be honest I think what we've realized is that just creating a platform doesn't necessarily do it you're actually if you want things to happen then you need to make things happen so I think personally I'm I'm interested in doing that now and actually kind of initiate of making sure that we initiate projects in and putting the right support in place for those projects to have a long life so that also means getting access to funding for more sustained projects and that's hacking funding is that this is the big challenge actually at the moment that is so as so my hacker in with this quantity is that why you're doing a heck I don't want to see the the proposals of the haircut don't for many of them is just for fun you know yeah hacking just fun and that is the the dangers of this kind of dubious cause many of replicating the idea of Iraq's racquetball out a space sheet is goal you know but in order but make it in African context budgetary couple what people are doing it seen to solve a particular problem so if you have to get a tools to to try to find a solution is for the patch clamp probably some of the for forms and so they did the Bezeq he's will do decided did we did in the idea the call of of the organizers of such kind of events so what do you want to solve it for formal is it for look become a problem about hacking in the publishing hacking says in true publishing something that in in African Universities particularly in my context income only did English food this kind of this you know in out university notes the battle dis- beaker Kosovska of this Baker that these people be so we don't have access tool may need review and open such as open access in this way is very important for all so what we have here is it to hack a publishing we could make me in of association of so while process so are you at teaching people how to learn how to use its I hope on be while and auditing image it that you sold legally you put this but is it it is so before was we just need to get knowledge as a comb so so at the attitude and want to use this kind have to hack OK share sure so close to assess you know so that is the thing that is what I'm content
just there about about the blind to question and also what I said before because this is since we wanted to do this thing in the characters base about they're making it friendly to the scientist this is my 1st meet up with people before my background of science and trying to make to join the 2 communities so and learning and I'm sharing my best experience and we will try soul what what we learned from our past experience with different communities we don't know if it would work was every community or not is that we made when we do hackathons or events or hack days Our main target now became is Starting at community from the and so we make given very good something come come out out out of it but our main
target is like hey we want to start the community with at its inside Backus space or make a group of people interested in a new topic so this topic as far as I know haven't been introduced in Egypt open science or a community of scientists working outside the institution so hopefully and we spoke about making the open that of that size had day we wanna do it encourages base so we we wanna do it because we wanna start this community in that space deep with that with that hackers and so that's that's that's what the good about the community will appear here it that outcome the invective he bet everything so that's that's might apply to also introduced yeah so at
my final would be really on the on the open science hardware front that's at the dissemination in communication and publishing is cheaper imports and as a couple things that identifies 1 is that if you will in the ivory tower if you in academia you get very little benefit from taking the time to document your hardware and say there are now 2 least 2 journals as generation hardware and hardware publish these designs that's 1 way of essentially co-opting the current system a reward for publication could say encourage people to do this and all say trying to create tools that make it easier to document stuff well because a major difficulty in
night science hardware space the impacts people's perception of the quality of the hardware and their ability to build it is just a lack of good quality documentation and that's available for many of these projects particularly those that are at the more complex and the spectrum the type of things that you're interested in building its in instructor but is often not sufficient for a multi parts complex precision scientific instrument and so how do we kind of developed that such that it is a little bit easier for the innate It's hard hardware the D. doing a good science where you make your data openly available where they're making a hard avaible is extra time and said anything you can do to kind of Ritchie set birds and in terms of hacking the broader system under no that it answers to that's that set in hardware context is a couple things we can do and making sure that journals recognize the value of having that detailed documentation and not trying to squish a method section entity paragraphs which is quite a common yeah I thank you
all for your input and really enjoy the
conversation as she my question was really is exactly where you're just speaking about because I have had the privilege of being in many different makers spaces hackers spaces were a lot of it was about you know digital fabrication and other things that never seen in years science so it opened size set us thinking mainly about the hardware and about the challenges that we face in our community with our with our makers space in in in Egypt and how come at 1 point the equipment got so expensive but with a lot of open source is ice you start making their own 3-D printers much more practical and so without obtaining science his picture behind a sound like what I mean is this was required or maybe now required but this is a goal is mean 10 you actually had the hardware needed to this equipment that you're just talking about right now it seems that even more challenging in this sense and I wonder if you have anything to say about that and save a daily is any coincidence that 3 out of 4 of well actually 4 out of 5 as I should say I have a background in biology because actually the stuff we use is often quite simple not innate note there very fancy imaging techniques MicroScript such as address but your work at a molecular biology lab most of that stuff basically picks up small amounts of liquid in dispensers again all heat stuff often cool stuff down in particular ways now that stuff is not complicated but it's super expensive no real technical reason and so there is a oversee not everything is a DO is is is going to be accessible and of the depends on kind of the quality
of fabrication equipment you have and your ability to calibrate things but there's a lot of stuff particular barge context that can be done and I think that's why is such a love interest in this kind of DIY by DIY by a by a hacking because just that the differential between what you can create the quite cheap on the DIY front what it cost actually by it is quite huge and also I think biologists is like a whole new world for us so physicists and engineers heating can all the time it's kind of like built-in whereas biologists he picks about catalog and then you can work with it often at least in a context we have the money to do that and so I think particularly in terms that earlier question of what can make as a scientist get from each other I think just that a lack of fear of technology and just kind of using what's available and that is making something in adapting its because he can do better science if you can design your equipment that your experiment rather than kind fitting your experiment to the equipment that you happen to have lying around you and so I think that kind of element is quite important and so this definite limitations on what you can do I don't know anyone is building Elettra mark state from scratch for example but there's a whole bunch of stuff say wait I don't really Onsager's question that my inspiration the getting wilderness area my PhD was on and control of mosquitoes and we used to have mosquitoes that we had to feed on sheep blood and we have to heat the blood up to 37 degrees C because that's attempted the human and they love biting humans so all this machine did was heat to 37 degrees C denying them temperature dial it was humidity proof admittedly but they're in the base unit plus the feeders was not much shorter 3 thousand pounds say the kind of that is a piece of equipment that would be potentially useful in the context of mosquito endemic regions where they don't have 3 thousand pounds to spend on a piece of equipment that just heat something to 37 degrees and so I think you have a definite and this real scope in these types of areas to do stuff and and you know as long as you think through the testing and the calibration he can get some really high-quality results and then share that data so that other people can trust the instrument she works and again that's the kind of documentation problem people make stuff but it will be and tested against the commercial tentative all kind of have all the data in the paper that would LB we enable users scientists say is this good enough for my experiments and be able to make that judgment
I would like to ask you guys in the audience what's your personal experience with open science and do have experiences that relate to what was presented here or also
do have other questions to the panelists but please and issue left that's all point in the panel discussion hello thank you very much for your great impact and here I have to start my my common with a disclaimer I'm working in a library and of disclaimer so now I'm asking you when you're thinking about we had this packing up sorry hacking
scientific publications and the word open access already a we already showed up here and then the 2nd point of building sustainable and long-lasting relationships in the community well that's what we're doing in the library that's what we're trying to achieve we I don't know short 200 is scientific institutions in Germany just canceled their subscriptions Elsevier the biggest scientific publisher in the world and are trying to figure out how to make but there are journals open access so open X is a very huge things for libraries and building communities is yet lie ways of the so-called 3rd space so a space outside of work and home and being a public space we can spend time without spending money is the goal we have libraries have well so all this sad do you have any cooperations with libraries being scientific or public order would that be something you could think about order you why you wouldn't that be so feasible I
could say something to it maybe you've had some ill-equipped because I have a vague anecdote but I think maybe in the U.S. there is this in some parts the strategy where they combine makers spaces with libraries yes to any of the things that you I was going to say as well that's certainly a kind of the makers stays level that is happening so I could certainly see if you if you have that program going on why not integrate some of the science aspects into as well you know I think really if we look ahead to the future we should have if if science is a comments that everyone has access to then it could be something that's
provided a municipal level and then what kind of infrastructure would you fit that into a and I think libraries really at you could think about different ways of doing it like 1 argument would be that universities are more open to communities in universities provide these kinds of facilities but I think libraries are also a really its potential option for like providing access to these kinds of the equipment this kind of no so
that they a good year I could christian really went but a for me and my
belize case the very important fact tool to hack with the sales in university because the 1st problem about censorship publication it is also to decolonize amines all for the sensational many that says that budget that you find in the field of biology all had sales thoroughly like tool to publish in Jordan and we've had but fucked also this this of the D.'s private that he's embed even in india mine and you know that as a former by him is because I have about coming by can easily in our universities like when you want to publish a paper you have to publish is given it that in natural or insidious so but now deemed on what made that sold with library have tools to train to play and the session about this new plants of scholarly communication but librarian have a very big Battier institutional barrier also because you can't brought open says that use you know a university is still in very try this you know you know and so did the very big ship all you need is from your institution institution camp like 40 the police and which can facilitate a recession tool tool to to to produce around on this kind of platform all to keep this formal training your all your courses about a scholarly communication think just reminded us I think we're taking or it talking about open science hardware and
there's all these other open science some anger out so it's and what your approaches brewery 2 words all the methodology and then open data has its own huge community and of course intertwined overlap and I think we are already like people already working in that direction so it's not that we have to forfeit so much this just a matter of yet raising Mawuena of that's happening in that it's in important it's it's also bring us back to where science supposed
to be from the start that's what we wonder sciences that's where we became sciences in the 1st place and also that to make our results and achievements accessible and usable and not hide it behind paywalls America's helpers left had something would related to the hardware like that of many
libraries now have makers bases and it's a good opportunity because 1 of the challenges to start the maker makers bizarre actors space whether it's like general Lekarica space or specifically for science 1 of the main challenges is finding a place it says the space itself and the end and so many things so I see the libraries can be a very good potential in in in in having something like an open science maker space also in the cities countries that the are available in many neighborhoods or
or close of 2 people and already it would be maybe at funding or something like that it would be easier for that that place it will also be good if it works as like our community driven which I I mean I don't know I'm not saying it is or is not in the US right now most libraries have make a program most it started for a for school students and summer camps but the have the machines of tools so I think it would be a good idea to also involve science open science hardly when we have the big library of how to build the hardware and to to to to do that maybe that that would that actually is a good idea to be a very lucrative and the to do that in in an open space like a library
can we go back a few slides and that's fine and anywhere on do you have comments other questions we have time for 1 or 2 more no words the 1 mark
it this I thank you very much for your question because if you're looking at this local
of 1 of these might did evocation of my utopia you know I can dissociate library tool the maker movement that is why in my locally as you can see the book is there in this right and that the that it will it will link and the community in on it so you still comments I did so I just a common that really like what you said to any about like biologist should start and sit there and instruments through their experiments and not the other way round and wealth and this is actually what we went and got media like in Walston to open hardware but
how hold could be convince our like our bosses or professors to do that I'm a PhD student and I think this is the most challenging time because before where use started like having a 3 D printer nobody has has seen a 3D-printed before and and sometimes the systems are quite old fashioned and there's so many challenges in overcoming the barriers and the heads of professors and so on do you have a good experience or like a good examples how it could work or of what's your opinion on that so I think
demonstration is probably the way to Gary which is not bad handy if you want to make the case the gas the 3-D printer in the 1st place but I so I don't I don't have specific experience of bringing around a single professor he was really thinking this is not a good idea and then and then it suddenly was but certainly I think it's it's slow progress to you this way people that you can do stuff that's valuable valuable with these types of things that I think having often that's the tension between the maker movement and the scientific angle is that it's kind of if it's viewed as being DIY open-source 3D-printed is cut there's a kind of there's a perception often maybe it's a generational thing maybe it's an academic versus outside academia being a but the set certain individuals it said he viewed as being not as good and so you can't have to work doubly is hard to say that what you created is they've useful to your experiment and is in fact if not it is equal to you or at least you can show that it's good enough for what you're trying to do scientifically what we found when 3-D printers have been used by biologists is that a lot of time there adapting bits of lab care as a 1st off so kind of building connectors to to add different imaging the systems to microscopes resample is a very common usage an as yet connecting different types different ways of moving their biology through the pipeline introducing automation I think just in a that there are things you can point to where by having this attitude and approach brings a lot of time saving measures the eyes often think in terms of funding and money and publications and so anything that you can do to say well this will save me however many hours a week testing if we have this open source for passing robot for example all their innate now I can automate my slide imaging by meeting around that's the gonna save me 2 hours a week right to be doing other sciences and the loss of the a lot the kind of positive response from from biologists in particular to speak that because I know them best and is is this the automation side is really exciting because a lot of it is very manual work and and there's no real scientific reason why that should be a human if he can get a machine that does it as well it frees you up to actually the thinking part and experimental design the data analysis and say yeah I guess I guess my my answer is numbers if you can work out how long your spending a week doing something and say well this was a x not time we always have to weigh up against it's kind of like the programmer's dilemma do I kind of do this and make a programmer automated the program that me 2 days to write as a way to do the thing anyway if a biologist doing it warmer sitting in Excel so of the is that kind of it's it's always there's a pragmatism aspect as well that's you know if it's if you're building something because you enjoy building something and it's gonna take you ages and you're going to get a marginal benefits at the end and that's really difficult to sell to somewhat see that's managing huge so I'm not sure that's helping but yet is just kind of thinking through the benefits to your work and expressing those ultimately there is this happens across the sign to the 5 8 sides and even as well and comedy comes up and conversation about your if you to if you're a PhD students academia sets of such that you for PI I often has pretty much at the power over what happens in their labs and say that that there is the probably comes a point when we go on to argue any further sometimes people then just do it anyway and so we demonstrate the result of its so we basically just have to wait until the P-I's and bio makers themselves right have what I will be the convergence to be the ultimate routes yet by thing I mean if he can do it and and has demonstrate that is useful for your work as a I don't have any tips if you don't actually have the tools to do things beaten point of the project some you know some cool stuff out there that's been beneficial the do you want to add 1 like we were out of time so all of this is that basically but maybe it there's stem from 1 more final statements tear language so
with did he is there something that you at this point after the discussion want to share with the audience it would judgment gold the thing that was of early on when slashed effective because those of and signs are rare yeah I do want to have a final stations didn't the and I think what Jenny said about making a case for open source
hardware inside academia is very very true but I think were also talking about a Commons which extends outside academia and so how do we make how do we incentivize that how do we make that possible and that's both incentivising scientists inside academia to support its but
also growing capacity outside of institutions so I think there is a lot of work we could do to open up new kinds of funding all new programs that would support capacity-building inside community outside of these was the institutions but also finding new ways to incentivize and mutually beneficial collaborations between academia and partners outside of those institutions and the way that science is evaluated and funded at the moment in these institutions really doesn't make that possible so this would be about maybe if you want to build collaborations and they really need to be eye-level partnerships so we need to have new funding mechanisms that allow co-design of research and support the growth of the thing the capacity of those communities outside of those institutions yeah I have to agree
it's all about context and in what context being open can be beneficial and for you so what you as an individual what you trying to to achieve through doing a science was institution trying to achieve who the beneficiaries and handedness kind of increase the benefit that's that's 1 way of looking at things I think is is less examiner not kind helps when you weighing up against the pragmatism of doing it this doing it another way
and I think the I guess that the the final Foltz is that I hope that we can moved toward kind of construction at Commons in such a way that it does reach across all of these dispersed groups having is a really really really tough challenge to think through by think that research tools absolutely critical to state insights conversation I'm really pleased of this panel is fixed on that's because it doesn't get BroadSoft up often enough the Open Data access has a very high profile in this space and that you can't get the data if you can't run the experiment and say particularly talking that capacity building for research the equipment and reagents that's the key I just wanna say that I would love to see that science community cruel and hackers spaces to the liver that the engineers who build their proprietary bad and to use goal and joined the hackers spaces and build the tools in that space is when we teach this level where we we we will actually have a bit of tools than the proprietary ones like what happened was 3-D printers and and many other things that I wanna mention that it was very complicated so thank you i've
static journey more and sink and think thank you all for coming here for interests and for sharing of thoughts ideas and let's keep on discussing this and enjoy the Republic of who have been
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Titel Hacking the Ivory Tower: Towards Lab Equipment as a Common Good
Serientitel re:publica 2018
Autor Hervé Mboa Nkoudou, Thomas
Molloy, Jenny
Omar, Tarek
Patterson, Lucy
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DOI 10.5446/36105
Herausgeber re:publica
Erscheinungsjahr 2018
Sprache Englisch

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Abstract The idea of Open Science is to enable more people to make valuable contributions to scientific research and develop solutions collectively, especially in low-resource settings. Due to pricey lab equipment much research output has been restricted to a few highly funded laboratories. In countries like Egypt and Cameroon, innovators and scientists are fixing, hacking and recreating tools using digital fabrication. Discuss with us Open Science Hardware and laboratory equipment as a common good.

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