Deconstructing a Socialist Lawnmower

it was found that the and I need to put the well and next speaker is use she's and media and Santos from Canada gotcha is known for her examinations of communication technology in the domestic sphere she uses DIY esthetic some practices as of the stigma effort to create solved installation performances drawings of beautiful high-tech trashed s relies on her Instagram touches fellow the Burlington to front 1 studies in arts and sciences and Guest Professor Noam again found out that accounts for the University of Art and Design How to was presented at many international conferences and festivals and exhibitions so we I where we have the right to wear come direction here today to write talking about to links between socialism lawnmowers and media to enjoy the status you damage and have have have the people in the crowd and loaded people who also might the watching online and later if you to work so in I am an artist and she I like to do a lot of electronic and some of the things I like to look at are obsolete technology and this concept of planned obsolescence in esthetics of failure of everything that's written In my slides here and I wanted to start out by

mentioning 1 of my the mean people of interest as an inspiration point and the doctor was allowed Franklin she's actually not so well known here in Germany and which is what we call in Canada a national treasure we have a school named after her and she's written a lot about uh she comes from a scientific background she's a physicist but she's also have a strong advocate feminist pacifist and she writes about technology in really interesting metaphorical ways which refers to our technology being the and how people live in and throughout its engine essentially thinking of technology as a practice and not just objects and things but systems where people are involved and myself I'm interested in the constructing electronics from the household and the reason why is because it's

pretty accessible on I went to art school I don't have any training in engineering or anything like this so the best thing I can possibly do when in 1 experiment with technology is go to the garbage go to the dumpster and pull out called here that is there are no longer useful to anybody else and I can take it into my studio and I can take it apart and see what it provides me with as far as artistic inspiration so I never really start out with a concept an artistic concept I more look at the machine and I say OK machine what can you tell me what that's interesting to work with and so I think a lot of us in the audience in here uh at the Congress are familiar with this concept of planned obsolescence and I do like to introduce it however because in sometimes when I talk about of my students and I get asked if I believe in the conspiracy theory of planned obsolescence and I would like to point out as probably many of you know that this was no conspiracy theory to business model of that started when in the Great Depression in USA this was 1 way to get out of a big economic jam was to produce products and that have a limited life span so that people would buy things again and again and again and we really haven't stopped doing that which is causing us a lot of problems in because we keep having this approach the and so what I'm gonna do now also show you a few sound installations and an initially sound yeah videos and that I worked on and then new project which has to do with dissecting the so called uh a long war and I'm very happy to be have sort of showing it to you guys here because it actually has its origins in this part of the world so maybe even some of the locals would have use this long back in the day so but in

and so be how long ago that I don't know maybe close to you however many years ago maybe 2012 and started to phase out analog television signals in Canada and instead of letting people know that they can get it to so end and let the TV to get digital signals a lot of people or just what this is designed to throw out the old leaf and so I spent a lot of time going from a neighborhood who feeling kind of bad for these on television and I'd like to point out a come from a family where my father was an antique dealer so anything that holds and sort of left on the side is there's always been something interesting to me because what I learned from

my family is that it looking at an object looking at how it is used to looking at how an object was used and on the right in the video at insights into society or what was going on at that time in history kind of like if we were to look at a painting for art historical practices it's like a window onto a certain time so what are known as the sign into like that can be made and I'll just go

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not what I noticed is that the old CRT tell televisions produces a lot of electrostatic emissions

so when you have put your hand in front of your here sort of gets magically lifted up and when I was doing those experiments in my studio with my past I really thought that I came upon something really unique you know I can make a static electricity make things move from and then I did a bit of research and when I found out is that those were experiments being done like

over like hundreds of years ago I just happened to rediscover them so what you see here is the electrostatic they'll choir and in front of the television you how to use of a bell stands electrostatic now stands which are their own little circuit in the center we have like the ground rod and on either side we have those bells and hanging suspended between each of them is the really like material of which is called the pith ball it's actually the white material that's inside of a tree branch and so when the TV turned on or off it gets his whose to have found a lecture and static electricity which makes it Weaver back and forth and this installation works exceptionally well in dry environments so I'm a typewriter actually have a big dehumidifier because I have shown a before old castles and it's completely dead at that point because the moisture kills it so I have to run around with your drivers and try to drive 2

screens so this is 1 of the installation so sort of make something that looks a bit like an altar and the it's using solid-state relays to control the sequences of TV's going on and off I have a pretty basic program running on an Arduino and this project keeps getting more and more challenging to make as it goes along because the TVs are not as easy to find anymore and I can get the same effect with a flat screen so right now I have a lot of old televisions and storage rooms which is hang onto them who knows maybe 1 day you know out work will be bought and you won't have to pay money monthly to store them at the belt themselves they're actually from old rotary telephones and grandfather clocks so we yeah so the

next is a work called the feedback babies and what this is is the is the baby monitors of the follows that were really abundant let's say in the secondhand store this was made in the these these words God to be made around the these 3 so this is a big part of my childhood I don't know if I use 1 or not but am I noticed that they would always show up at the thrift store so I slowly start to collect them because I thought you know if I get an abundance of these things it could probably be interesting enough to make an installation with them and I really like the quality of the feedback because in 1 way of hey it sounds like trying to negotiate not only was literally a knows that

the OK I C E we have that this is

has a meaning so I noticed when they move the monitor in a certain pattern in front of the room or when I move the Arab receiver finally at transmitter in a certain pattern really get nice sounds and that 1 up here is what's working really well but to figure out how to actually make that movement took me forever to but eventually the work transforms back tire looks a little bit you know what I'm saying inclined to see that it is a little bit lead slick hanging it and in

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the next you do it the medium of representation of its power so what you see here is we have power or that's what into our point of all that you have going to to transform transformer mysterious stopping at 120 volts AC down to 50 people to this little it was 1st mentioned purposes and is extracted from the speaker so what you see here consists of 60 hertz 67 so which generally is something that we try to point because you know a lot of the year for music you the house is these this sort of stuff that we actually want to hear precisely that have something to turn on this thing little part here here this time will move the minds of thinking and doing and when it's really hold out more and more so I will show that time I was really numerous getting into working with them and this idea of open source software everything in there is this idea that you always have to contribute

back to the community and might I'm definitely not going in fact documentation procured adder even no idea and it was boring tho is that I know all make these videos and this'll be my contributions of these videos that I made do go on are on you tube and the young but meaning now this is quite a normal thing uh but tend to cluster 10 years ago I I don't know what I was doing just putting them on there it's nice to know that they still get seen and this next

video it is found that the sum of elaboration of the list and the 3 little media where we bring a bunch of people together and over the course of about 5 days of the the global also includes packing related to music as a lot of knowledge

has going on and sometimes we find interesting had we share the pain the pipe so here we are in the last few hours right after at the artifact and university here to show you will find that found was that the a 2nd child they might only be interesting

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art school on but I learnt I spent a whole year learning technical drawing and drafting a maquette building this was very useful because they learned how to draw our minds and so there's a lot of line drawings that it's not easy and different sizes of lines mean different with the blind mean different things on yeah so then on to let's move

on to this 1 and this is what I would call probably my most technically ambitious of DIY videos uh quite using here right now is the sample we'll have this side and 5 thousand which is an the world's

oldest commercially available from machine which is what war the source said when it came out in 1959 although there seemed to have been other things going on in different countries but this 1 got a lot of height and what's special about it too is that it's an working on vacuum tubes and valves and so it's particularly scary in a certain level because it's a lot of high-voltage and people have this mystical idea about vacuum tubes a lot of the time and so I made a 10 parts um series uh online about how each section of the drum machine works uh including things like the speaker of the temple we'll and all sorts of this

arm sourcing the schematic wasn't the easiest thing I've ever done it was somewhat of a front I'm I did find a retired text so who was happy to e-mail 1 to mean give me some give me some pointers as well so sigh man would usually be in a box like that and uh they marketed it in several ways 1 of them 1 of the ideas is that it was a teaching machine so um I I should say it plays ballroom dance music at various different tempos compared a few speed up Foxtrot and it turns into techno and then there's charge and some but I pretty much sounds like old time the old time music most the time as the the the so I think it's most impressive however when the top the when the is officers moving parts and beautiful wiring in this sort of thing so I really wanted to emphasize that an yup so I have a couple of videos here maybe we watch 1 or 2 that you can use what's small online as well

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to know the ultimate control where this and I can use we have something called inter-agency up to this point you just according to the report of the Internet has also changed the tenor of the you know but who you're not going to find those of you who read the year we have a lot of harm the title of the year and then the know that at all so far all of the all the all the all the this year we had he read it is the uh this is a good occasion so all signals and generates at this time in all here it was it was worth going over to the box the the 1st point

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mean thought it would be cool to do performances with it and the first one I did I went over to use my mixer and I

just got my my hair cut and it was too short to put in a ponytail like I usually have which is not just for fashion but for function and my hair got caught in the Aurora should sit there and a big clump of it came out my sort disappeared behind the machine for a few minutes but try to figure out what to do with myself aside all and performances that any more food and any also has the mention that for this like an increasing the number of people and uh women to taking part in this uh world of DIY videos and have 1 controversial figure

who I kind of believe love is um and Naomi Woo the real 60 side wanted people follow the yeah OK so I see spam man a Schengen and she makes and videos in a workshop a lot of it has to do with 3 D printing coding and other things she's pretty late into her bad are cyberpunk style as so there's a lot of them and fashion related hops to and she's also pretty strong advocate for women in and science and that technology them as the college humanism open source and body modifications so also if you can see she's done a lot of work on her body because she's like becoming a sideboard I'm but uh unfortunately there is this scandal that occurred where the C. E. O. of Make magazine actually didn't believe that she was a real thing like the the idea was like to mind going for him to think that there wasn't like people behind this woman doing DIY videos with 3 D printer and so she called the equivalent of getting intimidated by him but what was really interesting issues issue here she's pretty persistence and she was pointing people to her FAQ section if you're ever interested in reading it which gives a really interesting background into prosthetic in the way that she moves about the 1st city in the big differences that might occur between what people consider sexier what-have-you between as a Chinese culture and Western culture so this was pretty interesting and eventually as she got she did gets a an apology from the CEO of make i which was quite a thing to happen now unfortunately the old at and

make continued to have a bit of a problem so even in the German of publications uh this is uh 1 publication the smart-home hacks and as there is in the introduction there is a section called about 1 of what I translated from German and what refers to something called the waste acceptance factor and which married here that I think White acceptance factor or of white approval factor is an assessment of design element that either increases are diminishes the likelihood of a wife and the approving the purchase of expensive consumer electronic form of products such as high fidelity loudspeakers the location of the at that I didn't I didn't know that 1 before and I kind of like all things so it's a bit surprised by this but I was more than anything a bit but more surprised by what this but this book was saying so if you look at the sections that I've highlighted here in saying only a few things that make me more happy than if a woman would pick up a screwdriver after reading this book to replace her regular light switches with radio-controlled when something I don't often need a book to tell us to pick up a scutratore man and then at a later on and it goes on to say that she will go ballistic and if the itself installed radio-controlled alarm system cannot be shut off in the most simplest ways any on the other hand will open the case and bypass the right contacts so anyways I think this was an attempt at a joke however I don't think it's very funny and I don't think that I would go ballistic uh in this instance I mean the go ballistic if people are making jokes at the expense of my people and so this is 1 of the things that still occurs when entering into this discussion of uh DIY DIY culture while being a woman and noting going to do you want it and when you need another minute then look at that but the that concept but through a different lens feminists which a little bit into this next parts and

down and give you guys a little brief introduction to the history of cold heartless tangent many which kills for he because I'm here and let's face it was just too it's just very brief points and during this time when the ball is up on this site where we are now in these there was really a scarcity of raw materials and industrial materials there is an abundance of skilled workforce there was a severe import restrictions and limited access to domestic technology in household electronics but there was a strong culture of ingenuity and repair and 1 of the things that I noticed myself doing especially when I started out doing electronics was there was always trying to find other people like me in that it in electronics so if you can

imagine it's kind of exciting to find and a user manual where there's a woman fixing along more and as it turns out that that there's actually

in in the GDR and a lot of women have of and showing us how long words work and now this idea of the quality of woman was a very strong um as strongly propagated goal but this is something that's very present in a socialism as that's part of the socialist ideology but at the same time there was a lot of people who didn't come back from the war so women needed to take on a more of of role that was outside of the home of for instance to help rebuild rebuild the country after words so like people who were once housewives or all of a sudden brigades to rebuild so it was normal that there is this sort of imagery going around to encourage people to be they're willing to be uh taking on responsibilities that might have otherwise been just seen for men and

there was uh yeah so I have a collection of these Emanuel's and I'll point out a lot of people ask how did I come across the 20 of Bosnia and ends I did live in

Vine Mountain you which is pretty close by 4 uh about a couple of years while I worked at the university there and I lived with a retired television repair man that's this guy that's will the and down in his home really hasn't changed since the wall came down which is really interesting for me and it was interesting for him to have somebody around that wanted to look at the old television that he would fix in this sort of thing so I spent a

lot of time learning how things work by learning German at the same time and this is what it all revolved around was looking at this old technique and I found this I

thought maybe people at CCC might find this interesting he was also making plans for fixing keys in getting interlocks with people who may be here anyway so 1 of the things that I

would do is of where the majority of the time so here we have the following and that means there's something quite as captivating about it I mean I and this is this helmet looking thing this is just the motor who is OK there's lots and further to be air circulation but I couldn't quite how that feel like there's

definitely like something menacing about that 1 more and it looks like it's about like do war on the graphs in the odds of having a I don't think you can I don't think it was like a man to be that way I think this is pure functionality bytes as an artist and looking at this and it's really inspires me in a certain way so the project that ended that I'm working on right now is this idea of reimagining on i GDR and technology in the age of planned obsolescence in the ideas can be constructing socialist error technology by connecting it to at present the digital culture offer alternative readings our critical entanglement with technology so are what kind of patterns suggests positions emerged when domestic electronics and commonplace added to cultural practices and techniques that surrounded technology from this historically significant socialist period and habits and other realms of capitalist culture I'm specifically interested in this idea of use and reuse and when we look at how people from the GDR work and are still working with technology this question of obsolescence becomes a bit blurry because things keep getting repaired parents working in at meanwhile the rest of the world keeps buying new long worse and so I'll show you a bit of the work that i've done so far with it

and the I worked on this and introduction video with in EGF was and musician is also from the in rigidity and the idea here is that the iterative and objective fetishized objects and that we see in culture and user-defined is the motive would and

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presently also working on a series of photographs with the just call them home and like you I guess that's what they are really looking like and so I have I when I 1st came across the the a a lot more in my yard and my mom I was like 0 man this thing is so special and unique how like the all of them you know and then I realized I don't have to worry because the declined in value is full of people selling parts selling blades selling just the motor words and and and now part of this work will be global of old guys that strange parts and sometimes I can have 1 motor would if ideas like a motor bed work I have wheels something like this so it's really find it's like often it's the you know and sometimes they get very skeptical there like what are you doing with all these you got 7 trolleys and like I'm they're like I don't care you can have it can happen if you don't need the pump so quickly that I have to get down the down that part of the doesn't get you very far

and so you have the photographs our large scale like it's pretty small to and

and and than putting them in on local as on pedestals of so they look like they have this history as like some warrior and the warrior of the morning I and II XML be an exhibition in April of somehow fields in the in this this work will be part of that and I'll close by showing you the next most inspiring 1 more from the GDR there's something

quite lovely about some of the Z R and 450 now what you purchase when you purchase is you get the chassis of your lot more a and then you find somebody that has the a block of Falmouth omission yeah as true the trailers I like control and then you put both of them together and when I look at the light in lab like you guys are this like restored my faith in humanity I think this is amazing you know you know this is really a concept that's useful for us now to think like we don't need more stuff we just need to make friends with the neighbor who has the things that we need to make a lot more work and I like this idea of using 2 pieces of technology and getting something new out of it so based on this new wonderful insight add the next plan

with the with the you Quality is to try to somehow turned into a record player the motor goes pretty fast on the but I think I can slow it down and then there's a whole lot of information out there in the high fidelity world of um a record turntable building our about how to build your own record player so the idea is to really like smash somebody's Charlie's into making use anything that can play music so young and

at the end and just a small reminder firm years to the future of the computer before it in the future generation inspiring talk affair and thank few we now have about like 15 minutes for questions so long of time and keep them coming to my example for you and I also wanted to see if there's people who have the people have that other manner for the long home I would like to talk with you about the origin of the general just you are experiencing a from from this time and now this effect because this is mainly big interest yeah yeah the and and because of the background events in the theater and so I wonder in the community of I see 2 times with yes at the end so I don't know what the idea was it didn't as an as if I had the from just don't like to do all well this to me that jacket again is 1st of all it's a vintage Adidas jacket and weighting will then you feel like you kind of like a super hero and I think this is an important part of the standing up in front of a bunch of people and explaining how sound synthesis works and and also and I teach a lot of a lot of electronics related courses and sometimes it's fucking boring and I somehow feel that if I get up there and sort of like remind people that something exciting going on will somehow be part of my uh take part in the discussion more so it was an annuity this jacket it was very old and said EIR it was to make myself feel good and to encourage people to to to watch me in the machine it was tactically that it can be and to better integrate the kid and they were are so do we have an anti-christian yam Mike for from 2 plates by of just you think someone could hit his head inside and I of I everybody puts it on the head and they can use when they have like the Turbo 1 with 3 slots just of it on the material that is made out of there is quite a lot of summary hard plastic in some of the light I you could you could where it's as it to your next so they fight club if you want to that there's somebody here that you could where the have putting it on top of my head and maybe put another 1 on top of that just like try working out with some lights how to use of coming here and I've got quite a few of you ever wanted to test it out I personally will know that that rooms and with the performative thing but the I think it could be it could be fined a summary of the the and thanks for this crystal I think we have a question on that and related questions in the head of the queue I think the question from the internet yes so 1st of all of them of course everybody should invest in almost all because the prices will rise siphoned off to the talk some strange he's asking what machines so are you gonna build on the future of any upcoming projects and of course there's always made machines and thinking about it and the next 1 being the record player and but there's also uh in from about 5 and I really don't to this world of of vacuum tubes and effective to that all the Mercury uh rectifier right quicksilver and that we generate electronics is the electrons as it heats up Mercury and this beautiful blue cloud glows and it's really fascinating to look at but it's also kind of creepy to think that these were like heavily used in industry like up to a hundred years ago and now they're just sort of it's not used anymore and the kind of hanging out 1 of track where things like speakers mercury is a bit of problem sometimes if it's not contained this so I think it might be looking into material rectifier but I never know sometimes just come across come across something and then it just takes my inspiration In things sound like number 1 please by sort of building on that on future ideas and the known what that's a run from drew motor do you have any ideas of these kinds combinations that we could be doing in our lives on n India and keep in not not yet but I mean I would like to maintain our work with my students specifically on this topic in a court in a seminar do workshops words specifically on matching to things together for more and yeah do you have any ideas and you should not yet found but I really like this idea of something becoming repurposed and work in being worked through another way and to make and full plates are people told it was the inspirational of a silly question if you could only work on 1 machine for the rest of your life what would that be that what kind of questions that and so well and here's the state like a machine can be many things right like aware that link it's yeah I don't know the slinky if it so I I'm not sure how this I don't really

fulfilling the so many parts to it so that I could potentially work was that again I mean I also worked very extensively further uh with sound electromechanics with the 5 5 5 timer and this gets me really forest fires pushing it for our in many different ways this is an integrated circuit that's you can create a clock of different frequencies with and then it's all over the place so this 1 I would say is the 1 that I really gotten as like I can almost build the mislead so yeah that that maybe will be the 5 5 5 times but you have instead we have another question from the internet I'm CBM users asking know have you ever seen a case C A 2 5 which the computer from the German Democratic Republic I haven't seen it yet but I want you to yet now not yet I an like them into place the but the face of the no I love your work but I'm just wondering because there's a bit of socialism missing from this project and I'm wondering if you're of thought about what a record you will use on the 1 st I had good question I have no idea yet and I have I have no I have no I don't know maybe I have to build only to cut the records and then go from there I'm not sure that this is what's keeping me up at 9 to find a way to put it is that the did the artist found number for parties but the notion of an i it is the 1st the severe organizing it is amazing said in polar on also have you done these kinds of projects with like other Internet in the polls 2000 I had no not normally a post 2000 machine like garbage you waste I'm OK 1 thing that often gets dissected in workshops that I do is the 3 and 1 printer is that things full of really useful parts and but otherwise I just like to look at something that S and like surface-mount components from like you a boring I uh so not so much there or do the yet no I'm mainly interested in things that have orders and so the the the the 3 in 1 scanner printer thing is is a pretty is a pretty big deal I did 0 a workshop where 1 of the students stripped it down and built like this and there's been left over and he built like this like poker pot post-apocalyptic tattoo parlor flash machine and I wasn't and stick around for the of the impact by make patterns in the yeah I can number 4 to each production and thank you 1st of all for pointing out of the wide acceptance fractal bullshit and also shown down here which whose work I also think is really great and weird and provokes of course a lot of discourse also in the feminist movement I guess that whatever and but I was wondering as of course statistics still show that there's less fuel engineers and stuff like that and how do you consider Europe role not female role models function and what is with your students are there a lot of female students and what do you do specially to encourage girls I'm I don't do much other than just show up and this if I think in the in the education a in the education bubble and being if I'm if I'm their teaching there's just generally but in the article at least it's generally young young woman young women and and and and men and I tried to make a space that really encourages the like feel here is just as important as the success and because this is an import like I feel like a lot of people don't necessarily read recognize that like when you're doing this kind of thing that of course even a break something you it and that sometimes the way that you and ends so easy access also I think that there is this idea that we have about how electronics needs to be taught like you need to do Ohm's law offers the meaning to do this in these equations and I'm to me this is not how I learned that I learned I walked into it backwards you know I was in AV technician at school and I had to learn how to use a multimeter that had like a needle and I didn't know what the hell I was doing so I just spent a lot of time inventing things and then eventually came around to figuring out how it works so it's more about an exploration and discovery and also knowing that uh you can look at look for patterns and instead of thinking that you need to know a theory then sometimes if something's not working right but it's doing something maybe that's interesting enough and you can build on what to help there it is I think we have another question from the internet yes it might be you next the project because customers asking would you be interested in participating in a long long army workshop at the next Council Computergram computer camp at OK wait it is there a prize and the if I think the model do you want a life excess point some of almost a of and so only you have and of course you last yes of course of course I'm interested in making and making an army with these with these guys way I would 90 yeah but this is a great idea but it but the you could i think OK so no questions any more than I say thank you all for these of fun and interesting questions and most probably think it does again for this great talk and the thing is that a blizzard and it led 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