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Fuck Dutch mass-surveillance: let's have a referendum!

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the and a and a the the because my deepest convictions that's in order to not lose the war against Secret Service show services pushing form on Mars surveillance laws all over Europe and all over the world we need events like this to connect to share and also to support initiatives that tried Togo Awards that's our really worth fighting for and the next speaker of that's something really really impressive together with friends she builds an alliance against the surveillance law and benevolence and they collected more than 4 100 thousand signatures and the next step will be to start a referendum I'm really impressed and how I hope you add to it please give a very very warm applause tool need me now also owns the thank you thank you and and only 1 thank you so much for coming it's on the and then of your degree Congress of and so yes my name is Nino and 1 of the 5 students who organize the referendum and going to tell you all about like how we did it so what's coming up and what this all meaning the greater scheme of things so and 1st of all the
law Cassini to know we're talking about here and what does it contain well in Dutch recall it's to stave with which is the and and bringing together all of the words statements and that's which means something like the dragnet long because 1 of them and allowances in this law is stats and intelligence agencies will be allowed to intercept untargeted traffic on the cable and that means for instance we leave the Rotterdam and there is a suspect's and the thing in the area and then all of your traffic on the cable will and can be connected analyzed and stored for up to 3 years which is really fun long time and so that's 1 part of it but aside from that they will also graph and get access to basically any database imaginable which is even and real time so the government is saying this is not so a proposal but necessary insight with the superstar charter and however it in implementing that many dragnets this is not a maximum to it and we don't know how big they will be and they don't know what they're looking for and and also adding up to that the access to all these databases music you can collect a massive amount of data which in conclusion is therefore metaphase and another problem is that it will allow the hacking of 3rd parties which so if you have a terrorist suspect you can also not just stack them but also their mom order Journal is that they have been speaking to an obviously that leads to like hoarding 0 days and you'll get we less secure and soul bats and they can also an exchange this date that and analyzed with foreign countries and is were and Human Rights Act that's a really worried about because these countries don't necessarily respects our freedoms or our rights so and that is already that's
and and as consequence of all this usually talk about when I do a presentation about this but you are basically the community was stopped me this I here like preaching to the choir here but just to go quickly over this is getting a factory like start self-censoring because you know that all of your actions might have a consequence in the future and obviously is also a loss of privacy and privacy is such a basic thing is a really matter are I'd like you country really have freedom of speech or even freedom of thought if you don't have any privacy because or online behavior is like a blueprint of our minds and that's where the got trying into an book yeah you know the story but that's that's kind of where I'm like now and
so yeah this was our provide we and so in the summer of this year and the log of past sexually and there was some upheaval about it in like upper-level sectoral lobbyists and lawmakers and and making a fuss about it but it wasn't really like a broad public debate any thoughts what Fox we can't let this happen and what's the thing that we can do that is laws already passed well if you're just a regular citizen and the only option is to organize a referendum and so but out and so on so the question can in order to organize a referendum and that is you need to get 300 thousand signatures on the population of 17 million and and referenda are and really like Salon Fahey they hit the uh and after Brecht's it enough to the Ukraine referenda that we had people tend to view it as a really popular sort of bad tasting subjects um but we want to try it anyway ends at 1st it went pretty well because with the 1st day we have take place as a signatures next 8 10 thousand signatures but that was a little bubble model like the hacking community in a privacy people we got so uh the supporters of from a rather controversial right wing um block take down and then that got us out we well at 1st and then yeah nothing happens it was just really
quite then we got contacted by Amnesty International AI said that we've tried so hard to stop this law nothing works but we would help you out like that you got to airplanes flying around the country saying can being funneled and so are you when you meet approaches also made that into now and they they print a million a million fliers which all stacked up in the office and we went out to like an as hands out
markets in such descent of get out of that bubble was interesting because when she started talking with people on the streets and they is really have an opinion about this during that many people were just neutron which I kind of expected and that this is also handing out flyers and I
and so but then it did really like make a massive change and we're all we had 6 weeks and we were already in the 4th week can we haven't even gotten 100 thousand signatures map or yours having like rage fits in a room like to how these people etc. about privacy that you don't actually help out I need more support where of is everybody and all these bodies that don't wanna like touched a referendum then we got a message from are the above which is a comedian in the netherlands really popular center show and he said I am going to be in the episodes tonight so you might wanna gets a service reflect what an so you look at and uh you understand the entire group and during the episode was still misery it and it was like and was 18 minutes in which a completely correctly sigh a lot it was his message was basically imagine you're doorbell rings and this to people outside in the government officials and is a goal in the so here's a nice little box and it contains a microphone and camera and we're going to install these we wanna look at it but me mites which put him up no fucking way and it'll everybody's sets and then like things started drawing like and the the episode of mesonic Chavez up but then it also resulted in the breasts considering also actual news because before entering this catch 22 is said like if you're not in use or not use but if we bring you in the news for making the news and therefore we're not neutral on the referendum ID so come talk about you but after about the good so it's a gave a push it and for a momentum and this
is this is how I went to like the really big stick and this is my little hackery privacy bubble that we have here and then this is this effort of amnesty and all that of flowering and then there is the episode and discipline I had taken to see the really despite like up here is where we told the press we had 3 on a thousand signatures and that what is that although this talk about his can and
so things that we know that during this because I think it's interesting to think about what happens when you take the bribes into digital rights and discussion to a national level this doesn't happen that often and the 1st of all people do tend to give a shit which was unexpected and positions that talking about the like it wasn't that much effort to make them go this is a point annual really different kinds of people as well you see also an there is not really a left-wing or right-wing focus so it privacy is such fundamental right that this idea who's against freedom of speech nobody and and therefore you could see that the rows broke from every side of the spectrum and act as activities around there's nothing there was also part of 2 success and because here we have many differences but it's good to sometimes combine them for a critical and yet so news agencies are doing a lot of poles because they all wanna be the 1 that predicted what's going to be the outcome and w which is see is interesting that people below 35 tend to be massively against this law and then people all 465 tend to be in favor and I think that's interesting because I think of as millennial like my entire identity is based upon what I did for mine as a as a teenager and and that's like were all my political ideas come from as well why look like this and but so it's very intimate thing and for people over 65 it's more of a e-mail machine and sometimes get angry at Twitter machine so it's a it's a public sphere and that's also where tension is coming from because that we kind of know the age differences in of lawmakers in such a i have any found the well find rewarming is like we have these discussions with our politicians and stuff and you go like jeopardy algorithm this like gathered a logarithm this end and 1 was worrying is that the sets it does not really a problem because the we might collect all of this data but then as soon and we need to be for all away everything that is unnecessary and they're all flying they completely forget that like big data and like the analysis of that is not magic that there is actually an entity and looking at what you're doing and thinking of what the consequence of that should be an never there shouldn't be a difference in the ethics around the than there is both a comparison and combination of glorification of the TAC whilst also there being a of ignorance about is that think it's a really toxic combination in such and going on
I believe that this is this referendum is about just more than just privacy looking around and you can see that governments and also um surveys capitalists are saying that you might have all these rights and freedoms but as soon as there's a computer involved you don't understand it so these roles that we build up no longer apply and as we dangers and I think that people are and as faster response to it because of that bullshit cyber that idea around its and so yeah I'm not I'm worried that's because this lies in like a baby version off the whole of the the social credit score for example and I really don't want to go to such 11 else because worried that once we are there will no longer be able to change it because the distance will already be known before they even know themselves they dissidents um and and I think in order to make do this I think we need to make our movement more mainstream and so thank you I can't I would like to walk into the urban outfitters like next to the feminism teachers in the environmentalism tissues is like a dimmer perspectivism it's a horrible like capitalist way of doing activism it DOS so show that this sort of a a thing in an and it's it's so important that we also includes people that we completely dislike and to make its broader and it is not just because it's handy for ourselves it's also our responsibility because if we're not going to do it nobody else is going to do it it's so as a community we need to get out of our ivory tower to like to change the system instead of subverted as well and of presents the theft
and so on where we are and how we are going to have a referendum on the 21st March the ends and this state of affairs now is that p government sets is an advisory referendum so they can completely ignore the outcome and the more it is everything going to do that and I think it's a stupid is idea ever and especially because I can see momentum growing where all these different groups are getting together and speaking out about this so it it would not just be and ignoring the entire democratic and process in the voice of the people but also a growing movement that will then Lieshout even harder in my opinion so they better not be ignored it the focus and the yes and 1 other thing is that and I had this really naive still like a little bit left of trust in the in the government writing system there is Alex they keep saying that um this law is necessary because it by the current lives not allowed to intercept cable traffic and of course and send it to me to be able to do that for actual terrorist suspects but don't have been doing that since I 2002 intersection numbers for the number of cable interception they've already done is a complete life and it's a narrative that spreading out and said as order disappointing navies even be repeating itself in at some point I just started to shut up that's cable traffic was already in and true but to be clear there already intercepting cable traffic just not on targeted so what's next
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sulfur lightening uh yield an and antenna going back to studying and Brillouin look and I are going to campaign and so it's something that's important to get rid of is the will the fake privacy 1st safety um idea because it's it's just if it doesn't make sense like your your privacy is that it yet your privacy privacy is a human right so why do we have human rights to protect citizens what do we do when we harm your rights the citizens are less safe so and it's like effective and a good thing also again credits to are in the above he introduced the term triggers fall which is like but when a politician gets criticized a again because I know some criticize me is because of the terrorists and that in order to get away with that so that's a good terms but I I would like to do that in the thing and I gather and sent to repeat myself but I want to include as many different kinds of groups of citizens to make this a brought things and everybody can find by day should care about this loss and you the aside from that we also started a foundation to address was just like it gets subsidies for that contain the word like after this you can do like direct action stuff against massive things that's the pitch 0 that
stands to and it includes a given in that and in that in the and and the game and so on so what I will save for us the but your question will be a sum of EUR presentation actually you know them so the moment somebody help you to see of such campaign organized the the reducible question but you support of older or association a function like this so freedom the independent but also also sides them for what you've done yes the question I forgot to say theory and gamma getting really good support from Bits of freedom now in the in the campaign in north Amnesty International's ready for battle and the Pirate Party and yeah and then yeah so there is that it's also it's it's not like we are at the core of this campaign 380 centralized through things that everybody is just and there 2 and and that is to do their own thing and I think it's really important because I I really do I skipped a slide that I really want you all to and think that nobody else is going to do it and as you're going to do it so please all speak up about this and talk about this referendum also like antecedent of freedom to those individuals and if you and I are not living in and also in so important for us because we need international support because Netherlands is revoking small and when a prime minister sees that the big boys like Germany France talking about it then they will be have more incentive to actually do something with it and at the same time your governments might realize that they will get away that easy with such massive it's not everybody please be as loud as possible apart this yeah the end of the we have another
question from the internet you you from the either you want to know do you have to hope that this this so you the goal the inner and yes I do have hope otherwise I will I would just sit in a room and be depressed but I think our global optima so I do think it's possible but was listening and I think it's going to be really fucking hot and so the responsibility to keep fighting for that and but I think it's possible I mean like I have some 200 years ago you would think that women would be allowed to have a life and that change as well so if they could do it why can't we do it has the next question and I would like to add a small thing because a lot of people are talking about loan or we will only keep the part of the disk of the data can be used in Western not selected commons but there are are a lot of the state and rule of destroyer relevant data but the point of the data is there is no a relevant data so there is no need for destroying and in the middle yes no questions In they and you know what all what a question as the I just wanted to to make sure and the next question they out from the back and so I was wondering you said if the referendum was signal and then than you would escalate do you like what forms of escalation thinking up and do you think that's a good thing I escalating word but I wasn't here in your communities and while hope you're not from the ACD but this and no I am escalation sounds like like all Roberts I think at any more and that sort of escalation in the public debate because it's already having is momentum where everybody starting to talk about it and now that because I believe people might realize that they care about doesn't even have a voice about its and it will become a much stronger movements if they ignore it and if they don't I believe if if that answers your question yes thank you a takeover for next class seemed number 2 my thanks for your work and I promise this is a question of so in terms of installation of life we we see that once you get on the news the satire of the you know the Jon Stewart's The Daily shows an impact on to give you all your publicity it wouldn't be the best way to get mass understanding by the populace in that you is you kind of have sustained episodes do you have a about uh communication with the producers are able to get a subsequent episodes and can I keep that fire burning and will I feel like it would be sort of unfair to sort of keep actually there were arose a group of people started writing them like i.e. we need to talk about is opposite to that of that um but it I think I think it's more of a result of all the hard work that we put into it so that the episode was daring and his hand and and also for it like if it wasn't like that solves everything it was more because there was so much going on that then you couldn't really not talk about it so I wouldn't want to sort of artificially and force that I just 1 and I do a lot of ships and and make sure that the right people respond yeah about and question from the internet is so the question from a Dutch citizen is there anything we should do all acceptable and that you need to to again and the most important thing is that this discussion keep singing around what we noticed with and doing the signature thing like yes you can put up posters and to like a social media campaign and stuff but uh do you have such big national discussion is really important that you actually talk to people that you know so if for instance and you have a community and that's people like to listen to for your a teacher or I do know and the people that stand in a church and that piece delta reach out to your own communities these groups of people and also talk to your mom and your dad about this because that way we can cover the whole 65 plus area yeah next lessons that 1st thank you for the Super like talk of also perfect for question 2 question before I live in the Netherlands for the mother such citizen and what are ways for me to get an both engaged with the campaign that it did just quick are you do you have like a protect backgrounds or something not OK well we kind of need also more um because I mentioned the hacking of the 2 parties we need more people from community to speak up about that as well because we have a lot of journalists and you write it is the stuff about reader sure people and um yeah I'm were setting up like maybe if you if you follow like what we're going to do we're going to like make fires again and organize events that darken the discussions of stuff you but also like organize discussion things essentially still subsidies you can ask for so you can get 5 thousand euros for individual campaigns if you want an hour maybe that's already and the and the Jack I do know and get talking is really easy but then also may be more creative things like events and teacher all that's and then we also make like things that we can hand out that fires justifies stands in a street and hand
out fliers and you're supposed to put up a poster so yeah e-mails animals centers stuff and all had that some he's setting up a mailserver right now said he's done male now and also critically up somewhere next question number 3 and use I'm online or offline and what's the ratio between online and offline sinuses of there's and and get that was interesting because we we put up a website that's basically our main thing and that's where people could sign online and that there were a lot of people also basically what we did the you have to hand in a paper signatures which are allowed to collect them online so we got all the signatures and then printed them on the forest 400 thousand signatures is a lot in paper draw from the other side of the country and handed them back in and they put it in a shredder that was that and then people can also be sent themselves and I believe there were about 10 thousand people who did that also if you were only living outside and then as you had to do so and it was also like there was a bit of a paradox because because we had to collect a lot of data like your your your your place of birth ends and your signatures and of course after that was really a bit too weirded out by that so we told those people I can we can do anything else but you don't trust us pistis right so the thing but what do you mean by shredder of a gone on to become yesterday then they scan the more in and so it went into the system and the nature of the thing sit down a moment of silence trees to next Westerners from Internet again yeah yeah at the thank you as he furthermore needs to be updated for example the 21st March not mentioned there will be website be updated soon and yes and that's because we're moving the website was basically there to do the whole signature campaign and and it's not entirely clear what kind of role is going to play in a campaign and the gavel outdated if if it is saying here I can expressions the 21st of March years also the date of the local communities actions and the you combined to that activity to that of course you have we can marginal of an inch and what he showed for you as a canadian every still thinking about the options they're also because this like a lot of political parties are going to run and then it's better to contain ends up and say that contain and to be uh somewhat curious on how that's going to shape put together with the local and groups of course as the today and why don't you can and mobilized international students in the role of the church of course we normally don't vote again that can still have a role in that thank you fire questions and expression by you you for your call and talk about this in the are there any people that might be able to do certain stuff like marketing containing experience with this kind of things that you would be glad to yield or help you out setting this up because you only have 2 modes that we can I just like sets of the whole plan of the containers with actually the way more than I think we can handle and move we needs to news which is a bunch of events that we're going to organize people have and spaces can also be autonomous spaces where we can do like an sessions with people of that will be good and and we have a lot of campaign material again that needs to be spread talents and so that would also be nice people help there and I think those are the main things maybe specialist in marketing or technicians what I mean just told stories meal served being set up right now maybe people who are actually experienced enough here that would like to help is a possible now n well I think the I think I on aspects were good because we got that down but um thank modeling things it's name the and and and I'm still rather not even some of my friends about how the system works how government works and I'm just like OK we have a good idea to what you want with it and then there's all the house of cards kind of fight that title in the sense that like a lot alike like to have discussions about that with experts and for marketing here we don't you know I and I don't really want like a massive sort of marketing and the company to get involved because it's it's very much as citizens efforts however feedback would be really good like having sort of discussions about this because you know we don't know what the fuck were doing but we do have a sense of what we're doing and being able to um but but but but but with people that would be good so maybe I will be drinking away later in the bar of this of this thank you very very much running out of time so this was unfortunately the last let's Preston another very very wannabe Ploughers of this incredible accident at a few thank to what you get
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Titel Fuck Dutch mass-surveillance: let's have a referendum!
Untertitel Forcing the Netherlands to publicly debate privacy and the intelligence agencies
Serientitel 34th Chaos Communication Congress
Autor Boelsums, Nina
Lizenz CC-Namensnennung 4.0 International:
Sie dürfen das Werk bzw. den Inhalt zu jedem legalen Zweck nutzen, verändern und in unveränderter oder veränderter Form vervielfältigen, verbreiten und öffentlich zugänglich machen, sofern Sie den Namen des Autors/Rechteinhabers in der von ihm festgelegten Weise nennen.
DOI 10.5446/34881
Herausgeber Chaos Computer Club e.V.
Erscheinungsjahr 2017
Sprache Englisch

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Fachgebiet Informatik
Abstract Dutch intelligence agencies will soon be allowed to analyse bulk data of civilians on a massive scale, by intercepting internet traffic and through real-time access to all kinds of databases. They will also start hacking third-parties. My friends and I want to stop this. We started an action to enforce a referendum on the law. Surprisingly, it worked! How do we get most out of this opportunity?
Schlagwörter Ethics, Society & Politics

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