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thing is that a cell at the next argue going here is by the echo bromine and go to an Haiti on next speeches that Jacob to ease and ideas design Anthony and coming into the from Copenhagen and go to an 88 who came here from Sweden and calls himself an old media artist with many talents found they both were presented ongoing robotic research project robotic music which is centered around automation creation and loss of control and some excited for this presentation and let's when come on you musique robot overlords and active and go to their thank you Aaron thanks for inviting us thank you for the introduction not too sure about deal with part the let's see down the road found yeah and iliac up and that and I'm going to that's my artist name of I do a lot of music with old computers like this Commodore 64 the policy yeah some more of I have kind of a shared passion for all machines so just technology in general and ii the normally don't don't do music's as much for sound and media arts in general and you can see 1 movie that I've made in the video alone ships 1 to which is kind of investigating rare earth elements and can the materiality of the Internet and this is something different of yeah I mean we're very happy to be invited here because it's kind of a new project for us we've been working on it for about 6 months so it's so it's very open still we're not really sure where we're going with this yet we will will figure out along the way yeah so it's important for us to stress that this is artistic research in the sense that not like scientific research it's more explorations in a few of the things we are not specialists thing and also it's important for us to stress that we're really excited to be in a place like C with so many so much more talented people and us uh presents like really and we're we're really hoping to somehow on you know start a conversation would you guys so world such aiming to leave some some space for Q and a but also we have the robot standing outside and will make some music on its after the talk and some or all will bring a 2nd robot than a drum machine and maybe we can kind of German Sorkin people very welcome to come in and hack on these robots with us really and I would love that you have this thing have
OK but so we've we've worked together for about what about 10 years this was the 1st project that we did together it's called the HT gold and it was presented on this huge screen in the main square of Copenhagen and it's basically it's an old to a hockey game for the Commodore 64 but we manipulated it so while you play it is sort of just destroys itself and becomes this beautiful uh but it still playable and it's still a lot of fun for a you know people can take take the heat out an N when under says that we've been working together for 10 years it sounds like with this kind of tool it's not like you would actually not working together that often only seeing each other more during the last half year than we have made in the the previous 9 and a half so so we live in 2 different cities and so we this together when doing projects but it's not like we're kind of we're going to work in the sense to you and just to clarify this is a different project we made in
uh 2013 and memo blast it was 1 of the performances at the like opening the sons of the island in 13 then it was yeah we had open fax lines people could facts in different content to us and we would basically emulating this kind of dysfunctional office environments and receiving
faxes and kind of copying them and trying to sonified and at the same time the the the the yeah
so the faxes that came in we we try to process them and I tried tried to adapt to the music from the faxes but basically which was very difficult that
uh this is another project called data slavery in kind of the same vein where but this is an old police station but I'm sitting in uh and people right filling forms with what kind of songs they want and then I get something like 5 minutes
to make the songs and then I say that on a floppy disk and give it to them and then it's it's their their song and this is an example of how long an order could look like this so that was quite difficult as well um yeah I guess we like of punish punish ourselves a little bit then I just kind of falling in this tradition of of scripting ourselves and working within some kind of scripts like want to exist or whatever but like Canada giving up control tests to some other system all of are it
so like most people I guess we're fascinated about robots but we're also little kind of I don't know there's a lot of emotions connected with robots and most is also I guess at least personally for me it's been this kind of frustration about fascination of robots and they're coming they're coming to coming but they never really coming I think really getting a robot but then suddenly this summer we we actually got a robot like we got the possibility of fooling around with it with the robot basically and we we we grab the possibility without may be completely knowing what we were heading toward something we have ideas and we share some of these ideas and we set up um a
small many residency at Copenhagen there's loading hackerspace called the neutron um yeah we would basically this is this robot is called the do you arms with pro this kind of open easily hackable robot and we were just using this week to tried to gain control of the robot in after that could kind of be an extension of under this so basically what you're seeing here is under so with a keyboard controlling so this little map down on the left that is in controlling the robot arm the be as some serial commands Chico's and then the roller arm is basically just kind of replicating the key presses that under assisting thirds just an extended on some very elaborates a species yeah I elaborates but then on the other hand it has only 1 finger I'm in Fan and
you know who their you know all of you here who you are and who have to bear you you you you you to do that and we have the same have the food and food and the internet the character in the time and the time on the internet and Commodore 64 a computer that I mentioned before from the early eighties and the software is called Death moment it's a it's a new software it's not the old stuff so you can really do some is pretty amazing stuff with it and what you're seeing is basically the robot inserting note uh changing the notes in the inner loop but that's running the with only 1 finger that will push
the so with this kind of 1st video prototype we got this books to do a lot of stuff suddenly the and we get invited to go to this uh algo make festival and Sheffield's uh this festival the algorithmic and mechanical movement to basically play an array and so we had to as we had to work a bit on on that's uh but we can have we managed to get the robot to a state where could load songs in you know insert notes delete notes new voices bring stuff up and down and basically in the and that actually current playing Canada's food sets like we played half an hour so the robot play half an hour and I guess because we were still maybe doubting if we could put it off you were they're playing this well like head to head with the robot um but it's actually you know you are mostly just kind of feeling in a little extra things get so yes so that was what I gotta is trying to keep up with the robot may of playing on top shows lot clips of
of the things that we do this and we do it in the in the in the and the and the and the of the world and what was the 1 on the way in which the mind and I'm only a minor 1 million and 1 of the things we will likely be on the rise time on it because still managed by using my name is sometimes sometimes screen and the other 1 is going to be spliced frames of just show what's what's going on in the way of the what want it yes so I mean this experiences of that the robot already kind of after after
just a a lot of months of of fooling around was able to you know we basically we could reduce ourselves to technicians setting up the robot and then you know in Sheffield I literally you push the button and then I went and saw the show and I don't know that can started some some things that was that was kind of emotional somehow and and we got invited to play at the internet days in Stockholm like doing the lounge music for the kind of chill out and the recession after the days so we basically took the challenge to that the robot play a dog technical type stuff for 5 hours unsupervised uh um and then we you know we would just kind of hanging out in the bar and so this a bad thing well I mean you'll see in the video I guess we we set up 2 tables basically like we're doing out there so the robot on 1 table 1 we're kind of next to it and we have a lot of time to have conversations with people about like kind of the future of robotics and like when they become creative and the now the parameter also whatever and it's like did this kind of I'm I'm at maddeningly still be a lot of these jobs we just have to kind of hang out and just once in a while fixed up something have yet and for this 1 we actually put a lot of effort in making don't what the robot that's a little bit more dynamic like adjusting it for each song and making it more sort of diverse what it's doing it's all so actually now we'll have yeah I mean we sort of knew what it was supposed to do but it was still some also priced and it was just this kind of magic of seeing a robot do something that it was just that is a really strange feeling like and I mean it's still but we do the music The songs but the robot performs our songs themselves all the songs actually become something something new um yeah which is yeah it's like a weird mix of sad as sadness happiness a bit scary scary sort of 4 just follow me so that I think this is the weird stuff definitely and the top of that I mean we're talking a lot about electronic music and now it's hard to make stuff minimal enough to basically it's kind of shot up and just repeats long enough like we both have a tendency I think too few and too many notes maybe 4 mainstream Technol something but the robots likes to book called like you know you can really you know will hold it in order to really want to that this that
and the kind of thing and of the as I guess is also important for the data the the Commodore is the place to start because of these entities into which he with would have 1 you know and the jails that is also a really good for just 1 thing where you have so right now we're more alike and we're thinking about drum machines not as well because they're good for from 1 thing at the right now that the kind of the 2 musical the another here is kind of the dependent on that 1 thing you're push interactions of which is kind of beautiful to it it this little of all the choices of a production I guess yeah the soul is not to say that this is only 64 project or something like that we can imagine doing all kinds of things so I think the answer the
MIT thank you yeah so now we're on the and we brought to oral lots of room and 1 thing you like we said for playing and then 1 for hacking hands I mean we really encourage you guys to come an and and play with us and of course I mean most of decoding were doing is relatively but now it's more like kind of generative coal-based lot randomness and so on but of course we know that there's all this neural network a Iist after it's really booming and it's a pretty good so of making music so if there's some people out there that can have are into that so know how to maybe remakes what the robot has already done composed new stuff I mean we really like to to talk with you know uh and the yeah I mean this is we have really good training data as well I guess you should kind of that class I mean I have because I use these old computers for so long hand the files that you say it's all like self contained source files or whatever so everything is is in there and they're really really small these files as well I think it yeah I checked by folder earlier today it's like 50 megabytes for 20 years of of everything that I made like all the work files and everything so as you know and and and yeah we just realize that while imagine you know feeding some neural network with this stuff that we can treat features the the fuck often do nothing the name of the of the you will see or maybe even more all or right you know jammed with the robot you know it doesn't have to be there were were just kind of leaving I don't think we will but it's it's it would just be really find to I mean also for me to have and there's hanging around in Copenhagen and I condemn him when he's you know that come down come
tomorrow there was the 10 minutes i so am skipping of fast but tomorrow from 11 we're playing there the geek starts at 9 and think yeah and will play around on the robot will play around 2 0 hours that now so pure probably starting at its Slobodan ramping it up there yeah the US
and and and and and and we we would and you so we have about 10 minutes for questions please then we have to 1st 1 of their two fold it more what it shows that the simple robot reflect symbolism or the systematic aspects of the attracted due to using such a simple system as opposed to all the Hugin call suffer a solution that would be able to automate music all these things the here and I know I guess you all you would making use it on a Commodore 64 is and we're not you know software guidance so much it's it's kind of I guess you may the city the robot why wouldn't use a more complex for what or doing it all in software right that's what it's about yet but that wouldn't you just below the suffer interface wages just like get the signals right to the Commodore there's other solutions as opposed to using such a mechanical simple right now because it's it's it's a completely different feeling to have you know a robot arm doing it rather than just know something invisible but and I guess we need to add also that we're not we don't really know what we're doing right I mean we got together with the rule that because we thought the robot was cool you know uh ahead and it turned out that it was actually kind of pathetic for that was found have so I guess if we know on what we know now maybe when it started but you know it's it's that's not the way this project works it's very much kind of exploration and and again I mean we also really liked the old machines so it makes sense that we have a robot interacting with of 64 and I mean this is 64 doesn't take median like fancy protocols like that so we have to actually touch the case yeah and thanks a microphone to please based on how much of the rope what the robot does is preprogrammed unjustly playing the created composed peas or comets randomness for the computational patterns involving the a what well in the base the base is always of the pre-composed song basically and then it um yeah what it does is it yeah I mean it's pretty random that within some kind of boundaries like we say what notes it should press that we don't say when it should present for example or we say OK maybe can change that the rhythm a little bit but not as just completely destroying the uh everything's all I mean everything that happens is at least a little bit random I guess you can say that moralists everything is actually have fixed and random but of course within some kind of logic structure right I'm now so it's it's it's it's never it's it's there's no kind of direct playback of anything it's like that's that's yeah we haven't figured out how to do that I think in that like like the future challenges to make to MIT to compose stuff that will be more useful for the robot basically but we didn't really have time to do that yet but we wanted to be more more free and and due to its own music from from scratch more or less the yeah no you have the right to loading stuff and modifying but we of course wanted to start saving stuff and then the stable enough that we can kind of leave it for a week and then come back and see what has been asked to do and you now that I I really like this kind of idea of making music for the robot so that I can adapt to the robot and it's 1 of the finger because then this guy is really really up you you know deletes 9 fingers and some you know it's just a completely different way so I have to adapt to to the robot and which I think is cool things stand microphone 1 the since that is the source code to is it available on the top or on the planning to do it onto the portal to hundreds of years and you know it's a mess and I thought there there in that it it's called role of music and the yeah and in the and to the needs and so on so it is your role what very precise or have you ever had a situation where it just made a mistake and you thought that that wasn't planned but although OK as well years or is there or is just precise enough but that doesn't happen I mean in India it's really precise uh people put printhead son in the news and a 3 D printer and so on but I mean we had masses of all the time we have of of kind of a big headache on calibration and so on because every time it's Dad bounces into the key we have to kind of restocked and it's a I mean it's so far we survived all geeks but we were just having a lot of trouble right now so we will hopefully it's going run but it doesn't have of an effect on your creative process well it has some stressed that the trend in the piano when it when it sort of messes up it is completely with messes up on it and you have just presses somewhere else completely so then it's to sort of of this gets all the water in your book so not govern all feedback like not camera on it or it's just like it has to basically just remember all the coordinates so this a
fragile system if it matches so things and complete so I'm gonna create props like you more than half of the people use so my question is have you ever thought about putting that robot a clock than than like trying to measure how happy the crowd is with the music it produces and kind of so by an official recognition recognizing how many people are on the dance floor and stuff like that and then giving the people to the robot again so making kind of smart music for the masses the I guess this short answer is no but uh what we have been thinking a lot about putting the robot maybe in the forest and then just kind of playing music with the animals and you have 4 or even the like this and the idea of removing the disease you know like having a wall in front so that nobody knows it's role was if me class that is is formal some idea because I don't know we we 1 thing that's kind of interesting with the robots and all this talk about robot overlords and so on is that it's I have no way of dealing with it it's like it's it's it's a thing it's an entity but it's more like maybe an animal or something like that that might grow up to be a really powerful but it it makes us look differently at the world somehow and that's right now I think it relates very nicely to and almost so so can putting in the forest and would would it really make sense effect and the animals and number 1 please of my questions and and their related is developed using any sort of input from what's happening to gigolos random processor or for analysis random randomly during stuff yes yes there's no no inputs like that not not yet anyway you no I mean we could talking about writing our own random like which talking a lot about random right so all their own random functions of course that and pseudo random somehow and feeding something into that I don't think we're very interested in making it like super interacts unless such because how group yeah was that this was yeah I I don't know I mean I don't know I don't see the need for all this kind of interaction I think it's actually nice that it has this kind of weird in life and you have to to understand its it's not like understanding is that they can that this is what I mean is that if you eat my itself can trigger it's on randomness by whatever is happening around it or whatever something that record explained and that that well not now but of course it could go that way but I I think that uh it's it doesn't really have to be so you know complex to to to to make me feel like it's some all the no yeah but a thing in itself it's it's just like just this tiny movements it's like magic to me even though I know it's not match the view that like feels like it's it's enough to just be really a simple system 1 thing but it's called an iterator there isn't is amazing that the especially the median thanks 6 give em DCT is signal ancient and we have a question for me to meet milk cheating on kind and 1 last question from length of things and on writings from improved formants perspective it's really interesting you're replacement you know just sitting and watching the robot and it also brings them like it brings them a lot of questions and also it's reminds me of how all of the discourse of how we labor is more going tho it's like the roles of supervision that your supervising the robot so my question is even a of lower after some time it wouldn't be doing a lot of areas would you still sit next to it like I'm just wondering about the role of like yourself why the Robert this performing yeah yeah I mean it's a good good question because I guess you can guarantee we could send the robot off to just do shows on its so my guess at which I think it's pretty cool that the 5 I would like to do that but I would also like to jam with the robots and actually do stuff together I think that's something that interests me more than that actually become someone but you can work like together with but in the video showing you a just sitting there was a point where you're just sitting and doublets and I was saying that this fight is actually very like potent treaties strongyle he just sitting on him but is doing its thing yeah community has all these connotations about robot stealing our jobs and and on and on the somewhere were playing with the idea of 2 but by yes we're not really sure uh funny I went over the year over now it's really interesting to sit there and and I guess will be sitting there as long as the conversations we have with people sitting next to it or interesting the thing to know that thank you thank you speaking of sitting people are sitting in for 1 of things said to all of you for the wonderful questions and thanks again to open go to 284 this wonderful talk thank you thank you what to watch on
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Titel Robot Music
Untertitel The Robots Play Our Music and What Do We Do?
Serientitel 34th Chaos Communication Congress
Autor Remin, Jacob
goto80
Lizenz CC-Namensnennung 4.0 International:
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DOI 10.5446/34879
Herausgeber Chaos Computer Club e.V.
Erscheinungsjahr 2017
Sprache Englisch

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Fachgebiet Informatik
Abstract Once full automation hits, we will have a lot of free time on our hands. This project demonstrates early explorations in computer generated music via robot hands, old computers and generative algorithms. While the robot performs, we sit next to it and invite people for a conversation about robots being “creative” and “stealing our jobs”.
Schlagwörter Art & Culture

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