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the the the so in November huge investigative story hits the news namely the Panama papers numerical that and they reveals how big companies like Apple or people with power and money use offshore the offshore tax industry to evade taxation that's why this talk is important because of what they see in out from the Open Knowledge Foundation who will explain to you everything you need to know about the internet international taxation and why this should continue as hackers please give an impulse to love I don't think the yeah good morning let's again thank you for having me years earlier and I will try to make this talk although older like Willie a dry and boring as exciting as it can be for taxation so what photo Knowledge Foundation do moment with data policy and transparent and uh and represented a wide
excision is a perfect to what the issue and civil but put issue and how it connects to Internet CCC and technology and also how we shipped the society was so how we got here I'm
from Austria's normalized to coexist
me that so much cars and Daniel plot from the amount of Harvard University and the going to change something in that area and to talk
with us free part so it's like the status quo for our intro and fun examples of how we make our textbooks looking for your company than the 2nd part is why the policy and the history and pursued 1 than what you can do about it so politics in the future so I
got into the topic reading about an article about x mobile which is the 6th largest company in the world of of a market cap and revenue and
especially exon always been so that like 2009 onto the lead of 1 employee learning 44 OK the year and making 9 . 9 billion net profits in this 2 years to understand this that's like effect of 112 thousand out from his income the profit for the company and as like
well that's basically like at this jungle from Spain is stock of capitalism there's nobody else problem in the boat without performing this guy for 2 years and it's basically just done to like I'm making use of pixels so the
takeaways like some cooperation still up so much copper Texas and it's a lot of dough in Germany we say it's about and at the end of the day FIFA billion EUR billion India pretty soon you're talking about real money and out of the Presidio it to
things so so that the life that that's in Texas and we would like to add that like assert that are still in life and that's inequality and was some discussion about reducing the text you also want talk about by producing the inequality this would be to talk about and where everybody can agree on
it it's like the text reads add to damn
high but you should also consider the text is always helping our funding public goods like schools transportation and so on so in
Germany of export spoiler spoiled on inside like what kind of society 1 have and how to contribute addresses to pay for it in which direction we're moving if you see that it's like basically get texts being put anyone energies of social goals all like stimulating economic growth is so the former
basically is if if the tax revenue at the top is CP for example the company pays less taxes and somebody else has to pay more taxes or you have less tax revenue tool public goods
and that this talking mainly about like the optimization there's a lot of you stuff going on like a June reflect the comics that tax evasion I would just point and that the orbital which adds up to 12 billion or US them like the reckless this text financial like guiding innovative select 1 point 9 I want when data billion well the Lexus with spike up called finding the for in Germany and and is the same as proven
by Obama from from 6 visit the but all of this is legal but that's exactly the problem so
we basically say the guy you regard size a gun living at a time when we need to discuss about
that because we have basically a sense and reason was said of soft is eating the reward three-day AI robots but maybe it's also not and and and round of discussions of the applicant universal basic income or outcome and this is the dry and
uh which is unique so you have like the last decades that basically to Donald slopes of that's like the trend of corporate income tax as she of ChEBI and that's like the detected by itself and that's ICA causing some issues so the corporate tax
rate basic rule is that the less prophet to less Texas you pay and you try to pay the taxes where the tax rate is lower so when is thinking about that ends in a year you can always thinking about
like hacking the tax code and uh
you have like you're hackers working 24 7 for the 4 big accounting firms which would
be prize for those who but estudiante on Bianchi and Deloitte and not only like they're hacking actively some of them moles of making like the smart move and are writing back to us that means like they're like involved in the process of writing the tax code the law and what a leader will exploit so there's a lot of cyber going
on a lot of dough for the US that means that this 2 trillion US dollars overseas and and a leader like around 60 billion ending on top of it for the European
Union did talking about some around our 50 to 70 billion a year like where I come from the Flickr is 6 of the schnitzel of Austria that's like not about this like 10 our bilinear ports and they always the of course the base erosion by shifting reporter reaches those our reports like from text justice but that was saying it's up to like 500 billion annually
and why this is happening that's basic part of it the increased in the last decades because removing from an economy really based on the real goods Tool intangible goods and that means like our patents and trademarks and so on the
and you can see a really nice and how the mop 5 market cap changed from 2 thousand 6 2 thousand 17 so you had like 2006 yeah like X mobile General Electric's Microsoft British petrol and Citigroup which means banking energy and industry and then 11 years later that would basically like 5 tech companies and those tech companies well was stuff doing like softer codons on can easily like jump from 1 so it will be out of there like if you like I pp like oil refinery so that's like makes it we to move something around if it's just a and the
most famous text a loophole both the Double Irish dots sandwich and that's basically what you need for that you would like
to Irish companies that any 2 Dutch companies than any lady companies are orders or water quality of offshore financial center and you'd transferred and the money around so there's like the Chinese version because it doesn't matter much is just about the flexor you'd start like summoned the US then you have like some offshore company awards like the patent so the intellectual property stuff which gives a to 1 Irish company and basically you Gordon for another Irish company who like of sales so the customer so the customer the India that appear like some money to the metal and company that had paid amounted to the Irish company that Irish company B is due to the real company since the few feeling little bit more detailed and it's the
same stuff like going around here that's all is basically to Irish companies on that companies some companies in uh takes even and winded brossard was happening really reduce the corporate tax rate to almost
like gnostic and that's basically trend among the big companies pretty much everyone does it so it's Microsoft Apple Gruber Facebook Amazon starbucks all the German company as be over our index which is the Spanish clothing company and wanna point 1 example in
school Bruiser basically Google 11 worldwide revenue into looking of 46 billion and when you take it down to the UK it's like a 10th of its is 4 . 6 billion and on this profit of 10 billion annually worldwide of that paid some around 2 . 3 billion but in the UK only paid like so million and that's because they're reusing like this but I standards to pay less profits on the revenue in the UK and then meant take a look like where Google that famous in Europe but lately which is the digital news initiative this like 150 million they're using to spend on news organization that sort of basic can call them like peanuts because that's basically less than what the in 1 year just on the texts being in the UK alone same goes is
Apple's Laplace sitting right now my cache of pile of 250 billion and that's partly due because the same system whatever like a tax rate of just 0 . 5 and 0 point the 0 0 5 % that 2014 to put that in relation is like 2 thirds of the schnitzel GB of Austria of like 8 million people what two-thirds of the depth of Greece's but twice the GB from Berlin was 50 airports and so the European
Commission I wanted to force and Ireland the text Apple higher but of course they refuse to because that's probably did this is at taking less and corporate Texas and did that was last year 18 billion and by December 7th is Ireland was forced to collect certain billion from Apple because it's like about the competition we will see how that end up the hope of somebody collects that and
the 2014 Ireland I was creeping data in the most barbarous texts and send it to poor and everybody was like who are finally but then add deals replaced at the
same time called something like Peyton box what knowledge development box it's a similar stuff a different name and a little bit less stodgy but it will keep like tech companies and pharmaceutical companies are ongoing doing that scheme not
a great example is an investment opportunities from our Switzerland Hungary and of the Netherlands so that was General Electric so on the 20 1st of december 15 at 12 o'clock the Dutch sold their General Electric's this to our Hungary for leg of 40 thousand francs an hour later disordered again in different directions for 6 . 4 billion so like 60 Minutes effective found 67 5 thousand in order to
understand that that's the upgrade the old mole into a 6 gigabit that online only operative properties to when at a given that helped draft where you are going 1 25 hours in your ass and
that's why I did that and it's basically there was selling some of our rights for a billion and with the text difference from Hungary to Switzerland in instead of paying 80 % Texas don't paint about 2 % Texas saving 1 but for our billion Swiss francs in 1 hour
and there many more example I get especially from rocks in book on Monday as like at the European island text even IKEA is a hill areas of text example but I don't wanna boy you and I
wanna go quickly through what happened on the reporting z so to of certain there was also leaks which was the 1st figure uh reporting addressing that issue and then a year later you
had like I leaks addressing lacks a book I interesting there was like it happened right after your of was like getting ahead of the European Commission and you can read that up in the German deeper cables the slides online and the it's everything linked and it was like a brother points out 28 thousand pages on like more than 500 ruling on companies how to get like special these in Luxembourg under just to understand why it is important to every country in your basic it's trying to lower the corporate tax rate in order to attract businesses and he's now head of the European Union which exactly should that 2016 2 years after reporting was actually 4 times more of our specialties in Luxembourg then get
to Panama people said that was a ban on maybe we live about uh whistleblower we don't know who it is John goal I the reporting started 2016 and it was mainly about um sex Fonseca which was 1 of Tsallis provide as it was the biggest leap by the nationalism at 11 million documents and 2 . 6 there about
and 1 of the consequences of not consonant was that laughter with the like the sixers of the with this year in most of work of
definite wanna go the CIA here target 1 and in that November
the paradise they became uh seem like an almost similar to Panama papers differences and different our company and was provide IPA B and it was like in 19 textures dish animal like high-profile cases so this leaks and
people's at tremendous work really amazing and I think it helps a lot of moving about discussion for what I just wanna remark at the system the system blades behind its weight known before that so it is I would say is that don't take the blade to gain weight their neighbors and their neighbours of literary like those a writing all like politicians so
the sum it up but it's like a lot of told parts together then they're going to the 2nd part we
how did that happen so order
last uh century we have basically deals on how to get Texas done the lakes was country-based arm's length pricing and
the literate readers so that the source country it means like you text a product is happening so if you have a car company in Germany uh it just that means they're arms-length pricing when it's Gitmo compering if a car company buying parts from Austria then it means that you have to uh
separate units and you priced and where they are so we need dinner and that's important is that you may have to find the price and that finding out the price being for Austin companies it's like a regular product like some cop out it's easy because if the market under you can't make up the margins like a 10 or 100 times more if you do with the stitches dust aggression is a kid who knows how much is the is the global over Lewis so you can't prices because there's no market on at the same goes as trademarks of 1 famous cases like the Nike's swoosh so with real bullets if have competitors you know what did the pricing will be was tangible goods it's difficult to figure it out
so treating the national such as independent
companies and making market price of this
so then in removing wine is that a problem so
basically on the source country based corporations can move the production from a to be let's say you have a car company you can produce in Poland In cheaper than a germinate animals to production Erwinia something spicy you can make up the prices and shifting profits around this busy decays what happened on this arable land to the orders so out of nowhere Google headquarter for like Everett stuff is the modus and understood uh as a bilateral
treaties and bilateral treaties simply a bunch of Freud really good money to figure out how to exploit the different architects treaties that would be 2 cases the double Dutch are our double Aristarchus sandwich the and
so we have the tools to their which as of 2 so making prices to shift profits we accounting moved actionable adoption and not at the cakes and a really big part is like it leads to tax competition between countries because you wanna directors those companies
and that's been released this graph where you see like from the nineties to 2016 referred different countries Germany Ireland frost the rule in the corporate tax rate to German start out with 60 and about the Sudia island was was up at 50 and is not 12 % so that's the business model had writing US companies and by are getting less corporate taxes compared to our European neighbors single this
uh US it used to be stable longtime novels like the difference between a statutory corporate tax rate and effective the effective is lower that's basically work to really pay and housing in the together new
president in the year so you can see like this is the historic job from 19 till like a century induced the were up before and after the 2nd World War then it will stable long time and in December was announced it would go from 35 down to 22 so you have like them and international competition for text so the question
is like what can be done about that and 1 of the
bowls and among others like you put something in legacy was based apportionment text that means that you require from the multinational companies that the report the global profit and uh sales texting and in the country you multiply the Gruber profits and that the share of the global cities happening in that country which want to text and then it takes the percentage of this number the question is how
how can we get below what we can do about
that well once in you can always play about and pleaded a brain will help change index structures
or you can laugh about it when you remember like I exon mobil outside of Starbucks IKEA
the data given right economics because that's part of the problem because they told us to do word for the
dog and what means to the town is like 1 of the most important things in my opinion you realizing what triggered trickling down
means the as the the rendered take a look at this jobs like in the 19 eighties it started like you see like the change in Schiele of income the afflicted top 1 % again of Oregon 120 % then you have like the top 20 % a little bit like a rock above 25 % and everybody else is losing out that means that and the
average of the does that you have from 45 tool as is you 5 out of productivity gains and used to align liquid much oblike were real wages for everybody got their Fieschi of that but somewhere here it's splitted way civic productivity gains but the real wages are stagnant so you should ask yourself what happens to this pi where did it go and so it is also the
leads into create to our classes like those working for this company taking dishing out of it which is not always the case if you take a look at for example look leaving to go over black stills of like 2 different uh looking and those who were not
and remember this like ends up to almost like a hundred you pay each year European citizen each year on the conservative estimate and
that brings back like everybody's can bring about like the the government summed of money anymore but if you add that up and you get like that in the sense of an enterprise rough around 5 % you would have and loop instead of 90 % I that GTB reissue of only 85 % so when you go to 0 also
world of the dead estimates from I to plan which I can recommend the like tuned of Piccadilly uh when we did calculation based on the Panama both that on their of like 10 % of 2 GB hiding in and have children for example is like right here this around the singular sum of 15 years of no Spain this summer on 10 and then have cleavages striking out at 35 something
in bed and why this is important because normally the discussion right now is about some text even sitting somewhere in on some islands but as you can see we talk about this land Hong Kong use a Singapore on the explicit have of on the 5th place you 6 days if the Luxembourg and a native Germany so the framing of that the dome effects like that is a tax savings on some small Ryland eyes would say it's not completely correct and you can
see them different school so tantamount charge from my textures texture says that that only comes in at No. certain and you have like Switzerland Hong Kong so this is basically the problem we have to attack it's not so much about like our this completely dark money laundering at you need the money and I 2nd blood of stuff that's like right in your face and known who everybody for decades so old old leaks amazing it was nothing new and you have like other cases like in chimeric comics are which I around like for more than 15 years and nothing is changing and that's the of the tax
savings are given no and we started out with with language used to be number 1 hour each index sentence coming up but the issues like you have still like above so are around 30 % of its you be index even and why this is
important because some countries try to do something about it and when they do something this is case is the Ukraine where did people in Ukraine trying to find out where the money went to they get stuck in Germany because the could couldn't provide them the information because they don't have like beneficial ownership in true many of this initiative called home-ownership trying to solve that and that's like 1 of the weakest link where you Brock information always are they almost a company you can get a further so this on has to be addressed I positive note is told
the at those abyssal so they're like some progress going on on December the seventies there is a new anthem money laundering directive from the European Commission that was the 1st step of the Panama papers uh basically means that all rows company registers do In Europe has to be this in the next uh 18 months and figuring out making an entry in the registry which is available to the public that's good in 1 way again and addressing like those company like Apple because it's like legal and others that would be like the European Parliament elections 2019 and you have to remember
this is a pretty good question so years ago when we had like 2 years on prices are modeled by a super my day ahead of the ECB of stepped up and basically said whatever it takes to fix it and I think for taxation that needs to be done as
well and basically we need structural reforms did we avoid like having a
situation like this again that that I'm OK amended on the text and they're and 1 part
of that it's like a framing issue of Egypt see that paying the taxes when bent world as a positive thing and i in the United States to a long discussion about if you call it that text text the text to consider this label that's text because then you frame it better and badly and uh on the person who is dying and the opposite way would be like that's a state text because the person has gone some is less the work and that's but contribution to the society another thing is like
this holy shit is like really boring and really soft and think it's part of it like it's boring and complicated to keep you falling asleep so you should get familiar with certain things like too big to jail when it comes to the justice so I would be gone you would be gone like how incentives of split up the banking sector and uh 1 of stuff as recommends the big sure the 2nd were about the financial crisis which I think is brilliantly done and explains things which normally something really complicated completely easy and you should have
a you apply board which exist in the brakes of text again of the purpose of text optimization itself and when you
remembered opening keynote from the straw so he called like old still AIZ corporations and think it would be easier to regulate those corporations on attacks level et compared to attack level because the framing and the time and it's not the crucial the which let
me do the wrong greater when you have corporations a people or why don't we have they're cooperate best penalty for companies and that was the cases myelin that was day creates a deep Laeken insider-trading our this for the so we have a certain responsibility to
begin success for because and as an alternative and just on tuesday remember
this and rocket science and used to be DNC like this symmetric relative you need a level uh bleeding field of folk global cooperation strict local our companies are and many shops because the BA basically nothing and so you divide up the province while you have that the dreaded is to speed body can transport he stayed just like any of them easier money flow and so am come to the
end and that's like the idea like solar upon fixation for a punk is like something out that's a sustainable civilization look like and how can we get there and thing taxation is problem 1 thing we will be stuck in the near future so we think and should think about it you have like this to scales lined up so we end up in a nice sustainable civilization so the
takeaways makes things changing because intangible goods and technology 3 ways of companies pay less Texas and somebody br or it has to be up there and take up the bill but it's more than 0 . 5 % of the European GDP and that of
me and I remember the will and the tied to text rules from this thank you so much few this light on line on the issue of any questions after 1 next to unity of just come to me that someone or like the thing that we have time for a very few questions if you have 1 and want to be lucky to be 1 of those please line up at the microphones but please signaling odd any questions from the Internet yes they are go ahead of the whole universe universal basic income deal was too big to fail as and how will we deal with a company could as the future we are so dependent on their contribution to universal basic income that accompanies them in any meaningful way can you maybe rephrase the question the how do you see the universal basic income in connection ways that too big fail phenomena 1 in the too-big-to-fail of phenomena as 1 thing only at this level you should speed up company that the 2 of them to the Delco some years ago toward companies years ago and when you want to come to situation you have to pick a field and you basically a mind game theory definite leverage that we have seen that in banks you could let them go down because if they would have to go down that would be a systematic risk and could be at risk but that would be biasing that independently so my universal basic income we call made we since we saw little bit later we go until 5 past so we have time for I see how the questions fitting microphone number 2 please yeah and so I have 2 questions and there is now alternative uh to be called the cash and when Europe and the advantage of those who cryptocurrencies that it's basically untraceable compared to be calling so my question is in the future if many more companies and honored that adopt this interest the cryptocurrency and start paying for example them entries the whole how you gonna managed to take those people or cooperation and the 2nd question is a more reflection on the state of the European Union the EU was created uh and has opened the borders in 1992 and um part of for region from the results of Belgium where everybody goes to have somebody to fetch the gas because it's cheaper and it's still the case because we do have different member states that has very different uh different fiscal lost that and uh you level there's no uh legislation um as in the US is no legislation to harmonize loss history uh lost or um and it's actually a unanimous I what what is your question you ask 1 question and maybe just as well I have a lot of times so you in the US there's no physical there's physical competition between the states the same in Europe and I don't see reach unanimity in the Council of Ministers that's gonna change in the future the what you mentioned the year Lichtenberg multi uh Holland apparently broke use 17 December initiative so I don't see with unanimity like at some point 1 country that looks more at the focus of and then we comic Comecon progress so the 1st question was put the current I think that the original state like so basically of company and the company decides to go to the kitchen making our there transactions anonymously good luck with that because then basically uh the text system strikes back but don't think they like wanna go completely on the ground there's no chance that you can with that maybe there's a so the advantage from the speed when implemented by the you will not be able to provide the books you need for tax on it and then the Gideon something else if they wanted to do was get you even if the reading of the sun and the 2nd 1 yes European has a competition the question is how far you wanna let the competition goal and that's the same thing you come you could be the ornament job for Luxembourg when he was about the finance minister opera minister but it looked like other countries so at the end of the day what you do in politics you have to find a solution together how you deal with that of the 1st step is that that Ireland has to basically being forced to take the money from Apple because it's like I'm not fear competition to everybody else in and that's aggression this aside distrust you can go down this you go protects if you say that you don't need it does some people are arguing for that than in the band of the somebody has to be the bill will you busy you say you privatize everything and about 1 of the government that the guy on 1 side there may be a middle ground you have to find a solution how you make your revenue and this is 1 part where you clearly see a trend that the revenue from that area goes down and maybe have some implications them including new which is halfway falling apart and partly because of that reason because it's erosion of the tax base and at the end of the other people getting brain for that which did it calls for this is that it's a pretty good question the we I'm sorry we are all we ran out the downtime microphone 1 you can reach avoided by by you know we have the origins of I'm sorry I would around here the yeah so you can go directly to him and ask him thank you for coming you for this talk and please give a warm and also lawyer thank you very much so few
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DOI 10.5446/34850
Herausgeber Chaos Computer Club e.V.
Erscheinungsjahr 2017
Sprache Englisch

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Abstract Taxation, the most "boring" #34c3 talk, but hey it's the economy stupid, and you pay for it! We will a provide a quick overview of the international taxation system. Explaining what a Double Irish Sandwich is. Why international corporations like Google only pays 2.4% taxes. And how your favourite tech companies (Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, ... ) evaded billions in taxes. This tax-dodging costs the European Union more than 50 billion. Annually. We bring this numbers into perspective. And why you pay more. And how you should discuss that topic, since it defines how our society will be.
Schlagwörter Ethics, Society & Politics

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