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come back my name is still freedom on and I have another confession to make I love my electronica shaver and the best thing is about that loves me back we see really the seriously have a special thing going on at work so perfectly on my facial hair that I think we belong together but right now as you can
obviously see but you know that's a lot of ups and downs hard times still bears some emotional bond between me and my shaver I think it's even more important to me than my cats especially since I don't have a cat because of highly allergic to then has but still if I had a cat it would be like at 1 level with
my shaver if you have a cat I think you like it you love it's and cats are protected by law they're treated juridical in Germany as a thing but we do have a criminal offense that's called th that another lot not allowed to treat it that on appropriately to the species you must not tortured you must not heard your cat or anyone kept and you must not kill it for so they do have basic rights but my shaver obviously it doesn't and I hate to see my precious little companion being treated like a prof fan thing I mean it is a thing but still it's my shaver so should my shaver your toaster your iPhone or any get should you like or even love to be treated like a cat who decides these kind of things and and how opera project projected emotions a sufficient requirement for have to call this 1 an extension of limited legal rights to Robotic companions and a lot just to animal abuse loss especially when Sasha robots for example uh as you had a scarce give pointed out this morning take over more and more of our tasks and become part of our daily routine our data life and may be attached to our hearts by that should we treat these Roberts like shavers like cats or even like human beings these difficult questions on the topic of our next speaker please welcome Kate Darling was an IP research specialists at the MIT Media Lab and a PhD candidate in intellectual property and Law and Economics welcome correct a
it it's the but the but all well thank you the demand
for giving my whole talk I know I'm really excited to be here I know everyone says that from I'm but I would really really excited to be here of I do you intellectual property research to you which is great and fine but this this is what I talk to people about at parties or in bars or whenever it had too much to drink anyone who will listen to me
for the fact that I get to be here today I'm with all of you is it's fantastic though thank you on but I think the I am I just started dating from 1 and he's gradually even you know introducing me all his friends work colleagues and inevitably they asked me what I do and what I'm interested in and I give him so much credit for not you know visibly cringing this happens because when people are 1st confronted with the idea of a even just the tongue robot and make they normally have 1 of 2 reactions and a lot of people are Lake at robot as throw the machine the machines that we build we make them do we want and do what does that have to do it and act like are you arguing that my toaster should have the right to live news or at the right to marry my vacuum cleaner what like this of them them and then I have like you know maybe a minute to convince them that no that that's not what I'm talking about and then there's other people who well be like all my god I know exactly what you're
talking about have you read I Robot those course even I Robot and old battles are glad to go home and Blade Runner is my favorite movie and distracting robots limiting just like us they're going to become conscious and what their rights and humans are going to discriminate against them and like I'm side that off and on immensely more sympathetic to this group of people because I'm 1 of them I'm a 5 fingered myself and in this case also then have like maybe a minute to convince them that all of this stuff is not what I'm talking about either they this can vary good but this
scenario ocean which robots are on par with humans in becoming conscious is on something that belongs to you
before future I work with a lot of about affairs and I'm you know close to what of robotic technology and unfortunately you know the current stage of robotics wrote the 3rd not even on par with insects really et al and and that's not really going to change in our fundamental meaningful way anytime soon so this is not what robot ethics as the current is the plane is concerned with because once we are facing this type of issue and we don't know you know when that's going to happen we don't know in what context that's going to happen
when we're technologies were going to be dealing with we don't know with social norms are legal uncertainty dealing with that time it's entirely plausible that the discussion is 1st you know shaped by other things like the last talk that we had in this room on new sideboards an augmented biology like that could that that we will probably come long before we have you bottom-up humanoid intelligence the what Robert
and make other kind discipline is concerned with is what is happening right now and was going to happen over maybe the the next decade or so and we tend to you on the issues into 3 broad categories so the 1st category is safety responsibility liability what if responsible when when something goes wrong the and the reason of this is this is relevant is because with increasingly autonomous technology by the chain of causality for accidents becomes longer and we might need to rethink where to assign responsibility in order to set the right incentives and the 2nd categories privacy privacy is of course a huge deal you know generally it's not restricted to robotics but robotic technology does you know introduce new ways of collecting data of storing the data new guy saw the drone flying around a 5 yesterday I was so there this raises issues of data security raises issues of surveillance etc. and the 3rd category which is the thing that I'm currently most interested in is the
ethics of our social interactions with robots and this is what I'd like to talk a little bit more about with you today on
and I would like to highlight 1 aspect of this in particular which is ah tendency to project lifelike qualities onto robotic objects the and the reason I think this is relevant or were thinking about right now is because we're seeing now and you know within the
next 10 years a massive increase of robots entering into our lives our homes the schools or hospitals and a lot of these robots are specifically designed to interact with us on a social level and interestingly study the beginning to show that people tend to perceive and treat these robotic objects very differently than they do other objects like toasters so people will project onto these things they will give them personality they will develop you know emotional bonds with them they'll make them feel feelings flight guilt etc. the the and so people have been looking at this for instance from MIT is Sherry Turkle is a psychologist and she's a a lot of work on human-robot interaction
and has discovered that people will bonds to robots and they will bond them surprisingly strongly no you can say so what this is nothing new this is not restricted to robots we know that people fall in love with object all the time people fall in love with all sorts of things of people even you know developed emotional relationships
to virtual objects this is uh Companion Cube from the video game portal i if you've never played portal and you intend on playing at which at this point your public fooling yourself because it's been out for so long but if
you turn the plate to see my when years for 15 seconds of them then reveal a spoiler on that the makers of this game were astonished to see that at the end of the game and the last level you're required to incinerate this companion Cube that than with you throughout the entire game and a lot of people couldn't do it has a lot of players will actually sacrifice themselves and lose the game rather than incinerate the cube and so yes people develop emotional attachment to you objects even virtual things all the time but there is a spectrum and for robots this effect tends to be stronger why well there 3 factors that we think play into this and the perfect tendency and the 1st 2 factors are physical embodiment and you know a certain degree of autonomous behavior and actually even just a little bit of
autonomous behavior is enough so this is a rumor vacuum cleaner the room our
will you know back in your house by itself it's it follows very simple algorithms it doesn't distinguish between you and the couch will pump and everything ends yet people you know just because this thing is moving around on its own tend to treat it more like a creature than they would an object don't mean mental interact with try do it i it's it's kind of ridiculous really but it happens and you know once you increase the autonomous behavior of the object things get works so it well known by now
and that military teams will often boundary strongly to the robot's better interacting with the teams on on the battlefield the and exercises and felt that the soldierly soldier soldiers will get very attached and now you get very upset when something happens to these robots are when they you
know get hurt or die on
actually there is there is a story on when the military was testing this new the robot that diffuse landmines that was shaped like a stick in fact it had 6 flags and it would you walk around a minefield and every time I stepped on a mine 1 of the legs will blow up and it would just continue on the remaining legs and when they were testing this if the commander in charge of this exercise and the calling off and
he said we can do this we can use this robot because this is inhumane because he couldn't stand the fate of this crippled
object tracking itself along the remaining way now these are objects that are too you know specifically designed to evoke that reaction people which brings us to the 3rd factor if you have a robot that are specifically trying to push or emotional buttons this effect becomes stronger social robots are just cute adorable they also you know me make certain cues in certain
behaviors and sounds and expressions that will you know that we automatically and sometimes even subconsciously associate with certain emotions this is the plea a dinosaur I'm it's a robotic toy that hit the market in that 2006 which means the 30 outdated technology but still it's pretty sophisticated and it's affordable and it it'll react to the
touch shared and it'll very unpredictably which really lends itself to projection onto it an arm so when it will it will
I get upset but if you hold it up by the tail gets that because can recognize where in space and
so I was at a at a conference in Geneva called lift a few months ago and the coordinator of the con the conference harness gossips and I decided is that I there to speak about something else that we decide spontaneously deduce work and we got 4 Cleo's and we had participants kind of play with them and interact with them for about an hour then at the end of the workshop we estimate torturing kill them this and so
so we're we're kind of astonished to because I like I had been expecting some you know push back we some discussion but we were surprised at how hard
it turned out for all of the participants t t to be to even you know strike this thing and we had 10 of new playing mind games with them we had to be like OK we're going to kill all the robots if someone does a step up to the plate until 1 of them and like finally P and this poor guy you know after a lot of hesitation take this patch it that we haven't axes with Romanian it you can see here and on the right like the room with violent for
a few seconds and and after the great discussion about you know about what the difference like why is it so hard to act this thing as opposed to just a simple toaster and so that was really great and I actually date so that over the next year I would really like to do more of these workshops but do them you know as controlled experiments where were seeing what's really going on a train to measure fact and not the only person interested in there so just a few weeks ago 3 German researchers on made public debate on this study where they show showed participants videos of the being tortured and please being nicely in a contest about with use of human the main manner people's emotional reactions and found that people have a lot of empathy toward the and our other a lot of people send me like the the press from the study and some of them just the assume that I was associated with it in some way and I'm not like I've never heard of these people before my life and I really really hope that they've never heard of me either because of this proves
is that people are observing this independently and deeming it you know we all were the subject of study and we're trying to figure out what's going on here we prove that I'm not crazy we respond to social cues from they've like machine and we respond to them even if we know that it's just a robot even if we know they are real now wire we've been talking about this like what who cares why this matter well a lot of people have studied this
and looked at new human machine bonding and argue that this is a bad thing they say they should be prevented because after all robots are not alive we should be treating them as if they're alive that's unhealthy
and I don't know how I feel about that I I mean 1st of all I think power them
prevent at even you know it even if not all of it is automatically people obviously really liked and more feisty things and you know good luck trying to get oil companies to stop making socially course of taught if that's gonna take a whole lot of regulation but much more importantly you know where I work at the media lab and a lot of other places what I'm seeing is a while others useful and really really create applications of this socially cost technology coming just in health care and education were seeing all these emerging uses that rely specifically on this bonding effect so we have now next-generation robots to started working with autistic children we have this robotic therapeutic steel from Japan that the use nursing homes for dementia patients and all of this is is you know really great and and you know even if we could prevent this we really wanna give up all of this potential that's I didn't really like that idea of cell about a year ago I came up with this kind of a playful alternative solution to this problem which is to say that you know if
the wine between all wyvern lifelike is becoming blurry inside of us maybe we should embrace that maybe we should say OK social but the object but they're special object we perceive them differently maybe we should treat them differently and I actually proposed
that you know we could extend some sort of legal protection or could want to do so to social robots to you you know for further protect them from abuse or torture the same way we extend legal protections the animals and the more I thought about this in the more thought it actually made fun I mean if you think about animal abuse for a 2nd why do we really protect and I why do we really protect animals is it because they feel pain really because if that's the case why are we so eager to protect certain animals and not others I mean you see there was never completely discriminatory differential treatment of animals and also across cultures and in in our societies and I think like the main
reason that we have animal abuse protection is because we feel very strongly about protecting things that we relate to you that we project ourselves aren't you they're responding in a way that we associate with ourselves and our own feelings and so
so I mean you might say OK yes maybe that's reason we protect animals but animals do actually feel pain and robots actually don't feel pain and we know this so is a kind of ridiculous extent some sort of legal protection yeah maybe I can still think of 2 reasons why it could be a good idea the 1st reason is that we have increasing parts of our society you have trouble distinguishing in trouble knowing that a robot does actually feel pain so I mean you and I know it it's
just a robot this year four-year-old know this does your 7 old known does your 75 grandmother ominous and it's getting hard to you know educate these people as to the difference but more importantly I think there's a 2nd reason and the 2nd reason that we might wanna think about extending protection to social robots is to discourage behavior that could be harmful another context so that the content argument for animal rights was never about the animals themselves was always about our own
humanity conf is that we can judge the heart of people by how they treat animals and he says that people who work full that animals you know become hard also
in there dealing with other people and you now if it bothers us us so much to use torture of the euro maybe we just shouldn't be doing it may be doing it involves turning off this part of ourselves that feels that discomfort and maybe we don't want to turn off the part of ourselves mean studies have shown incredible linkage between you know household cases of animal abuse child abuse
domestic abuse so behaviors 10 to translate and this might also translate these objects so so this is really about protecting the object this is about protecting our societal values in protecting ourselves I am I said that I wouldn't be talking about science fiction and for a future but I will just leave you with this 1 thought on it could be a could be probably will be I think that the
issue is any science fiction all new movies and stories like that the
issues of rights for robots and the right to live that this comes about you know not at all because the technologies that we develop it might have far far less to do with the sophistication of the AI that we create and it might have much much more to do with our relationships with these objects and the role that robots play in our society because you know even though sometimes it's hard for us to admit that I do think then at the end of it's all about thank you it
hello I'm Catarina I'm the new ways of the the mother and then we do a little questions and answer now and I'm really happy to welcome back on stage movie bus and you have a for that
because I'm part of the program chair and we were really excited that is 3 um agreed to join the public eye and um with that maybe there's a link between the 2 the true sessions and um 1st I will um take some questions from the audience high welcomed against the hedge and so I
leaf and the you 3 you stay on stage and then I asked the questions from below the I
know someone wants him I mean uh mn thank you for the most inspiring presentations have seen so far I have a
question for the 3 of you and them but I think that it's mostly directed to Newell um is my question uh mn other like sports I don't like school but I know why people Lexus by them in their practices where we test the limits of our species and to take steroids in sports it's legal and the only reason why it's not legal because we tend to put an emphasis on what humans do and the old Blum really fascinated by the ideals of augmenting our bodies stratum in I'm asking you a genuine question because they really don't on the answer would be really going down the path of changing ourselves create tool groups the group a like you before you your implant where you want to be like the others and moving that want to be like you where you're going up since we create a season of class a and class B we to scale an economy where only a certain group will be allowed to expand our senses so my question is going down the path of putting the media in the body don't we operate on the we question the fundamental dimensional what means to be human so I think the questions for the 3 of 1 I think now there is a
uh there's always been in history I differenciation between people that have access still technology at the tools and people that don't have access to doors this has something that this is something that's happening all the uh the history so the difference between using technology as part of the body is actually more accessible to the whole world because when you
use technology as part of the body you don't need an external element you know indeed an external tool you just you other tool
and you just need very simple technology to apply to your body so becoming a cyborg as as many people think that becoming a cyborg is something that could only the 1st look and the only people of many money or resources can the when actually becoming a cyborg is cheaper than buying an iPhone because you can really use a very small sensors in the infrared that vibrates when it when there is movement at edges the bag you had and this will actually extend your senses this sends occurs maybe 5 euros and it can actually be attached you by the by much much less money than many of the technology that we now have access so I think that technology will be much cheaper if we don't need external tools and it will allow us all to the experiencer in a different way I I think that it will make a difference is there's always been this difference between who has access to tools and will not who has access to the
to education and will not it is
just the in a different way of using technology the this yeah and I think the
same I think the more the friends and you're on your way to then if you want to grow and you want experience a
thing is what makes people different not like the classes and not because there's no said there's always been this type of of the friend station
I think that answers the question who use of technology gets cheaper it it it will reduce that discrepancy I guess and and there the expert from our the OK we get more questions in front running hi thank you for the token of got a couple of
practical questions like um the switch it off often like what when you sleep you switch it off right no there's no on off switch so if there is no colored 1 sound so when I go to bed there's usually no color there's no light so there this total darkness there's no sound so this is like Oregon actually cover it and then there's no
sound there's no on off the good thing about Sleeping with the i is it in a very actually leave the window opening the morning you can work as an alarm clock is if this color in the wall and in the morning when the sun goes I can use the wall OK and
um what what parts do you actually can what party you actually see and because she was my phone I asked the other ones to and have you had people who use your device who actually have the color sends we tried it just for a while but I look forward to doing an a a longer period of time when people that see color here comarcas I'm sure this would be like a kind of psychedelic effect would be a good substitute for drops may because if you see color and here color for a long period of time should that then you start seeing color when you hear a nice and then it can create a new experience no we we still haven't done this and is 1 of the things that I really forward to the without a large group of people volunteer yeah do you think the goes hand in the least the interesting thing would be to keep a diary people in different parts of the world during the same 6 weeks and see what happens the yeah yeah just a
question to create these don't you think that the this tool cases
like a new and more on and you are our and the different the extremes of the spectral because the new landholders about exploring extending knowledge In the tradition of the employment but to x set you cognitive limits that you go back to and this and what the had themselves user goal that to be so mates weak terms of we made sacrifices to people just because he thought that the gods are angry and so is the default back into the rationalism and even reactionary and not progressive to take for granted that Roberts may be except that just because they are child's and people with mine our intellectual capacity was think that the have pains isn't this reaction that that's a very cagey and provocative question of I you can't fit even the 2 way tho I mean you can also see it as enhancing our natural capacity to for empathy and you know trying to create technologies that that play with that more and that that gives us a kind of a an experience of well analysis any you're arguing that the it it's it's conservative targeted to say well I we we should you know embraced with embassy that we have for robots because it it's something primitive is is that you're
arguing yeah this that we had this for enlightenment and Enlightenment means to increase knowledge and if you accept that belief systems what I do 4 elections but not for every reduction alike missing just uh I like people who are ill apologizing before they cut the tree but in a way I don't believe that the tree is a living being I have to apologize for so we have to see isn't this road slippery wrote it down where it's the to a to bring any missing back to project some kind of soul into a debt being like a robot just because all brain re ects emphatically like our brain reacts to optical delusions and so on so I mean I I would
see the difference here is that we actually have control over this technology is so we have control over this you know bias and like I was mentioning there are lot of really great things that we can use it for
I mean the week they had enough you're familiar with the field of behavioral economics for instance which also you know takes people's behavioral biases and tries to set incentives to you you know improve their well-being and improved society and make people in a more compliant to to a certain rules and I I don't feel like it's necessarily you know about to play of people's natural tendencies as long as you know you're controlling and in your using it for something that actually socially desirable I feel like you know it's too much undermining the natural tendency too much is kind of killing off a part of ourselves also that I mean I don't know if we really if we really know what that'll due to us in other contexts as well so I think about that as the but that that is an interesting very interesting thought the there are
more questions in case I would not
hesitate to torture the world does this
make me that policy or look at is I I mean I don't see is that I don't know where where I shoots torture robot but because I would be gnostic in your experiment I I don't think I would have hesitated so much like you this by people book so I I I was just like
you have I I didn't write when I do when I bought my 1st Leo I didn't you know I was fascinated by the technology by what he did and I I would play around with it and has its limits and stuff and then I started showing off to my friend and I would say that Mike and the they hold up the tail and see what it does and my friends will by the tail and no gradually this started to upset me and that I was flummoxed flummoxed by this because I no maternal instinct whatsoever I can't even take care of plant so the fact that this is making me uncomfortable I thought was really really interesting so I mean it could be that you know state of the art technology doesn't push your buttons that you know you're you're on you know the outside of the you know the general norm of people a or whatever but I would say you know give it a few years into this technology is is developed a little more and maybe try it an interactive robots and I'm pretty sure that the majority of people do you have some form of reaction to it and OK I
can completely imagine what you just said but how much of it is maybe because
that thing is probably expensive the baby away then you don't wanna just destruct like you wouldn't throw your iPhone of
10 story building just for the fun of it yet so the the clearly is going back when I wanted it was like 500 bucks sitting now they're around 300 bucks on and so I too hot I taught a class on on robot and it's Harvard with warrants let's think it and I convinced him to get a plea for his children and he he he
came back to me on a few months later and was later so key I think you're onto something because when my children were playing with this this robot arm might my three-year-old would go on the traffic a kick it and I would intervene really energetically like automatically and the reason intervening I realized it wasn't just because this is you know an expensive thing it was because I needed to stop which my child from you know behaving this way because otherwise the child's gonna kick the cat or another kid or whatever so a they don't seem to be a slight difference not just not just in children's behavior also you know in my own reaction the participants my workshop 2
reactions the plea like that those were box clear that we had part with the purpose of destroying them like it wasn't about the price of the technology and people knew that I think a little more than that it and hi and I understand everything we say about the column empathy and has lots to look for example the love that we sometimes few for babies like to be biased and team and all that but what is see you just mentioned it seeks but what this actually the idea behind a kind of light source or alter
rights charter our where we define a whole lot they want to be treated or not only what this allows whole many of open you can't have a slight lie you're not supposed to have been cats and 1 of the apartment for example actually what's your idea a aboard 18 a concrete example yes so I think that a lot of your question can be answered
through analogies to U N will be slots I mean a lot of and all of these laws could apply in the context of course we have to define you know what a social robot is and that some somewhat heartening we could say it has to be an embodied object it has to be displayed in a certain degree of autonomous behavior in according to the definition set by robotics and it has to be specifically designed to have this emotional cues and so that I mean it's not a perfect definition obviously but but the what deals with that all the time that we have to draw an arbitrary line and then on the abuse would just be you know analogist you what what makes us feel uncomfortable when you your knowledge caps on fire you probably wouldn't be allowed that the use on fire like I I feel like we can draw a lot of parallels there and and it's it's something I feel that area right now it's obvious enough happen but at some point society could push for in society does push for it will it'll be you know on the part of legislators to figure out the details of the LA has some ideas that I don't think it'll be that hard is there another question when new and a OK yeah the the because uh Neil you said that due account at some slightly hostile reactions at times because people not used to seeing as boards in a way to do you think what we heard from OK that basically the the war human-like like something looks that the more modern more empathy the people reacted do you think it makes sense to make book like parts of your body look slightly more natural or does it make sense for example
Google Glass to actually have something look to to to display the data the technology that is inherent in an mean you I thought about having a more like and I know
that it would look more like an iron and even have and I that I could link with my I bought but at that did I just will just develop it as as as comfortable
as it is the more comfortable the better I just think that we will gradually get used to seeing new body parts which is not doesn't it to the bottom human like as if humans don't have these body parts and we just have
to get used it like having an antenna is normal for many animals but for humans no have been I feel I have an and then I feel that the and then is a part of my body and I'm sure that in the next decades they'll be more people using antennas for different reasons maybe they'll be people having fails to detect things that are behind and maybe we will
gradually get used to accepting new body parts and this is uh something that you just happens was of the more people that it the more normally will seem I don't know if it needs to be look like an animal or a like a human hi thing and it could do just depends on each person wants to who wants to do it and the also really fun fact that means the reason that these robots on the lake in the likeness of capture dogs but rather of Lake baby dinosaurs a baby seals is because if you make them too close to something that people associate with a biological thing that they know very well they get kind of freaked out because they can see the direct comparison and there's the whole theory of the uncanny valley the more developed this robots become to human like there we have different out so uh there's also that to think about this there is has it did really depends on the because is the film not to well maybe not to generalize what people feel I'm I'm sure is just it's so unusual I guess in the it might not the there might not be a general feeling at about this subject so we get 1 more sense to know not
taking the idea also robots 1 step further to virtual creatures probably millions of virtual people and whatever are killed
in video games every day Our is the big difference between something physical and something virtual and virtual creature become more and more of you woman every day orbital uh our artificial intelligences and stuff like that so um I if I take your efforts to robots you can extend that to that end so what does that make of all the people of tool of individual cells is that the same idea is a big difference and that's the great question on my intuition and the intuition of a lot of people in robotics is that the physical
embodiment of plays a huge role on that of course you know were lacking some kid you know hard evidence for this and that you know 1 of the reasons that people are are saying to DB studies including myself but that that definitely you know something that we want test and then
among questions 1 case and that the and OK so this 1 from the Neil you basically
have traveled to a sense to your body and your brain is like accepting it so as the natural sense like a like hearing or any of us sense and we come we have seen that of people are like consensus so some for instance the blind people have an increase in sensitivity rifampicin only doesn't work the opposite direction so if you have 1 sense more maybe you have like a little more accomplice bells and I don't know you can view current spectrum and that the and I think will
will use census like gets the griddle valid if you have consensus you can't use them we most Is there a danger I think it it happens in the opposite as in the view at sensors you actually awake the other sensors and and maybe create new connections between the sensors so I'm losing my case having an extra sense has not weakened my hearing all has not weakened when I see it as actually awakened my hearing and my my the way I see things any actually also has awakened my smelters then you might hear sound and I can also remember the smell of something so it actually I I feel that my other senses have actually activated I feel it will happen with anyone else that acts and newsstands because all our senses seemed to be just the in the basic level but when you concentrate on your senses you not only um of your body doesn't only try to accept this sense but he's also conscious about the other sensors so then you kind of awaken them all OK the any edition of the k then this in the at all it so I think question for UK to um I am coming from like that there's a social function for this
and the that we developed 2 objects but um I wanna responded maybe make it into a law what some educational purposes that the uh that the educational games and we can get from stepping over those boundaries like in medicine we people take apart the bodies just to discover all the work and the same could have been applies to animals we just kind of do some experi ments with them just to get knowledge about certain medicine and stuff like that and also to robotics can take them apart we can see how they work and we may see that over some internal at the coke imports us but we know that really we're not having any human being there yeah that's a really good point so that the economy clearly I don't
think that it it should be completely analogous to animals right like this I I don't think that that social robots you need the right to live a not be dissected or something you have to be in a more tailored to which actions specifically make us really uncomfortable and I think you know taking robot the part of the node something that would obviously need to be possible on but I think it's a good point that you know sometimes we can we need to step over in our discomfort the ethics you for educational purposes me I but but I did I don't I can't think right now of of a really good application you know in this context where you some to sort of abuse protection for robots would like stand in the way of some really you strong educational purposes but I mean it there could be anencephaly is certainly worth thinking about and make questions from the other side be the questions from digital deuda
externa so as a participant has assembled mostly alleles on the
whole all from an Diptera system so you'll and now as a uh there's sort of support and help shop and you ask because you think that if they had assembled
in a new fully how worked they wouldn't be is attached to that that that interesting question on we didn't we didn't have assemble them they they got them alive but they did you know take that they took the dead 1 apart afterwards and we're very interesting that 1 but 1 thing that that I've noticed you know where I work and there are a lot of stories about this the even people who build robots and even the robot that they themselves will they will get attached to which is you know it's insane but it happens so Cynthia Breazeal with an MIT professor at at the media lab and she for her doctoral work she developed this on robot called kismet that is expressive and of emotions and she said that leaving that behind when she left MIT after her doctoral work was completed the that that you know the hole when her heart basically with like her baby and that that students who worked in the robotics lab like they would have to turn it off when they're in the lab late nite because it would it would kind of freak them out to have been like alive thing there but they all know exactly how work so 1988 you might reduce it and that's definitely worth testing and that's definitely something that I do wanna look at it but I like it's it's still there anywhere take I got another question here it's don't
using that it's more important to develop earlier MCI look at as it's because I was saying that I'm not forward sidewalks would dominate among sigh samples because of the many advantages but so is and gas that allows for me the the 2 separate things like
if you ask me to wake them I think that this is going to be common issues you know very seen in that that society needs to deal with that you definitely that the only important or is that your question I mean you know my my persons through through through to the other guys some do you you know I would refuse
this kind of advantage which have from uh among other people's and do you have for a few maybe more power to dominate them and don't using that is also the danger of someone some other people 1 of the artists uh many this that power we don't see it as a power
images you you we we don't comparisons with other humans out of it said we compare ourselves with other animals and we we compare our senses and perceptions with other animals we are completely disabled we have really very very low but the perception of reality even buried was Adeyemo so we like to compare ourselves with animal animals not with other humans because so we all have different perceptions and we all have our own way of perceiving reality and it's it's just the to as it were interesting to to see a as as part of the animal kingdom and see how we can extend our senses to the level of other animals not compete or I was maybe it's still had some people use it in a bad light but it's while you also say reason now you have a I think that you could kill with a knife but that doesn't mean that you then have to to have nice the cut red so it that the ants and I think is the is the is no wonder we all have and we use it in the way that the the real thing we have to we have to so there's always this way that you can use it in a bad way but it will always be like this way so I think is much difference In this 7 medical the mean by people who is also is there always will find a way to do the right things about actions OK another
question from for drug I have a question for Kate um how long does it take
till people grow emotionally attached to this robot for some you that the people were allowed to play with them before have you done tests with people that never seen them before like go into the room and just do something to it so that people don't have the time to have an emotional attachment in with the game you mentioned with portal there it's just a cube is just a cube with hot and those so numb you wouldn't have to there's nothing less so they're like an animal like a cue for example and then you grow attached
to it over time how would they have you ever like women's what role the planes so I haven't tested that that is something I definitely definitely want to test because during this workshop that we did on you know obviously in our was enough time for like this specific robot out but we did but it will when we're trying to get at 1st get an a striking and they wouldn't do it a journalist who just walked into the room we held out a robot him more like a hit this thing and use like this so apparently there is a different thing for taking him in the control group and I yeah I really wanna tests you know look like how long it takes and what what what's going on there but that's the other thing from point yeah OK any more questions OK thank you and I was wondering what their next research will be made with other sensors like attack takes an or even paranormal abilities for the colorful people their rights the so like our not where I I conceived paranormal like from perceiving so ghost OK while you think it's already Gradac your um doing the visual and
auditory combination and sensors at but we have more sensors right like tactics and tactile sensors and also like paranormal uh sensors that some people had are you looking into any more research while there is the
possibility of of having an like a sensor of the or all the energy and then detecting the color of the energy with these cameras that can detect the the count the color of your and then I could actually here the order of people so I but this is an an area that is that the we could go this way but I think we we we are more concentrated in In not paranormal sensors that sensors that we already know that exist and that they work and animals are using it in a way and this also so many I mean that sometimes yes some are some of the sensors might seem of paranormal or impossible as of embarrassment but they actually exist and and that's what we really find it exciting just to know but the MAV I might be hearing or as in is not by a normal this is just a forest but maybe at there might be a kind of mistake they start perceiving something is stranger with unknown with with
OK as we want Western men we stuck and then was it the hamming Stephen of really interesting this idea of using sensors for exploring had sense in new ways
I'm curious about this the camera average out a single point in space and you feel in any way that you getting an average of something at any given time as opposed to getting the whole while when I'm using gives me not
the average for the dominant color in front of me but you could actually had an eye tracker for example and then you could hear the colors that your eyes out looking at so you could add an eye tracker all you could divide the censoring have so you could have stereo vision so you hear the dominant all on the left and the right I even have it in in any way you would like I like having just the dominant color in front of me because I I don't really want to know the color of things I just want to have a perception of color and I want to have a sense of color
can have another question yeah OK my question useful Kate and my question is to what extent I think you had a bit
of this and you know in your talk of your 3rd reason life think robotics is important to what extent is the result of your experiments showing something about the robot was it something about human nature and if it's making more about human nature is that proving something about the human being versus the rowboat so is that point to have a robot ethics as a new discipline or as an in the area of investigation vast is um strengthening the body of ethics that relate to the human being because this thing something's coming from inside the person I absolutely I think that you know at the end
there this is all about us and actually what of the research that's happening now and a lot of the this development of of personal robots that a social is learning more about us and how we respond to social cues and indeed about the the ethics questions are all about just ourselves but I mean the way that it ties into robotics is because it raises questions of design so I mean robotics isn't just restricted to what I was talking about today on as they mention like they're all these issues of privacy the issues of liability they're all these like issues that that you know depending on on how we feel about them made directly impact the design of robots or like the research that goes into the into developing robots so that's that's kind of the connection and my connection to it is also that you were increasingly designing these things that you know raise fast ethical question but yes there actually right I think it's all about human from the and and last question the needle and any 1 of the k last question OK but OK you you did 1 so we can never do
later from last person OK it again it OK so have the break and stage I plan to do some questions on my own but I can ask you later so um this very interesting thank you for being here of you thank you and uh I have a nice evening and the mustard that if
you if you know that my back in the the
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Titel Robot Ethics
Serientitel re:publica 2013
Anzahl der Teile 132
Autor Darling, Kate
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DOI 10.5446/33509
Herausgeber re:publica
Erscheinungsjahr 2013
Sprache Englisch

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