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It is estimated that within the next 10 years 80-90% of humanity will own a smart phone or similar device, and the technology they will be carrying, wearing, or even implanting will make the smart phones of today seem as antique as the first cellphones ever invented do now. This inevitable trend has governments around the world conspiring with corporations to reign in the democratizing power of these devices and the networks they create either to maintain political power or to maximize profit. However, hyper-connected human beings around the world are beginning to organize and demand a human right to connect and to be connected without the fear of surveillance or consequence.
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that's great to be in Berlin is the 1st time ever been here would have fantastic beautiful city and very very impressed um and because I'm in Germany I went tell 1 of my favorite stories about 1 of the most famous Germans uh in the world
and and how many of you've heard this story but when Albert Einstein was 1st sharing his theory of relativity uh he was going from
university to university traveling uh from place to place sometimes making 3 of 4 speeches a day and when he was doing this for about 3 months he was getting really really tired and he fell back in the seat of his of his limousine and complaint to the driver that he was so tired just didn't really wanna make the same speech over and over again and the limousine driver said uh and uh here Einstein I've heard your speech so many times I can give the speech myself wanna we change places at the next university so of course that's what they did they they change places I spent on a chauffeur's hat sat in the back of the room and the chauffeur got on stage and since no 1 had ever seen Einstein before that heavy Internet then known to do research food node look like they thought they were losing Einstein and the
chauffeur delivered the speech exactly the same way as Einstein would at any of the previous speeches and when it the speech was
over a professor in the audience raises his hand and S 8 incredibly complicated question and without missing a 2nd or beat the chauffeur says you know the question is so simple I'm going to let my chauffeur answer the so
um the other thing I want to do since known United States we only see when we do the talks like this we talked for like 10 minutes or 15
minutes of TED talks I think 18 minutes so I'm trying to speak for uh the hour they gave is way more than I'm used to and more that I have in my brain so try to speak about 30 minutes and then them an older questions and answers but before just the put me in the best possible much about this today is my birthday so if you don't mind
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so in Egypt during the protests many Egyptians were following the the year square uh the demonstrations and other events in Egypt by sitting at home paying attention to the internet the and at some point at the height the protests and many of you know the story Mubarak ordered Vodaphone to shut the engine that and the people who were at home who were watching and paying attention did what we would do this for example the internet which often Berlin or if electricity was shut off in our apartment we would go out into the street to find out what was going on and when margin of the internet in Egypt that's exactly what happened in this approach actually swelled putting more people on the street and making it seem as if the protease were getting larger any Young University of Texas professor but in day Parry that wrote a blog post where he said the following you can shut off the public Internet but you can't shut off the internet public the and for many of us who have been working in the arena of technology and politics and civil society it seemed that that's that's sentence galvanized in our
minds something that we had been watching happening over the last 10 or 15 years as more and more people use the Internet for a social good for political action for
free strip for making their voices heard for organizing now remember the and the
public is not a digital natives and it's not a millennial as some it and apologist a sociologist might
describe a member of the and the public is some of someone for whom the Internet is central to their wives either economically socially culturally In this case politically emotionally or even spiritually it is a different kind of human being any yes it skews younger but it doesn't have a specific prejudice towards 1 generation more than the other if you want to be a member of the a public you can be regardless of your age now do I get a sense of how fast this in a public is growing this is a picture of the Vatican in 2005 and you can see on the right side right where the arrows pointing to on the left side there you can see 1 person with a mobile phone this is at the moment when Pope Benedict was chosen the Vatican in 2005 if you like to see what it looks like today the this is the public or I should say this is in a public in about 10 years during the 6 billion devices in our hands that will remind us of our smartphones but they're going to
be it's so advanced that our smartphones that we are carrying today will I feel like this looks like us to
us today are more of a briefcase phone from 15 years ago effect would probably looking at 10 years from now where people will be looking at their blackberries and their iPhones and will be laughing that in St. ourselves people did that really maybe you know we were thinking will be wearing glasses or maybe they'll be embedding chips but the technology continues to move faster and faster and we should be careful not to assume that what we have today is going to stay the same now back to the public you can say you can sense the DNA so see strands of the Internet public and the behavior of people around the world in protest so for example this is the soap approaches the New York which was organized by the New York Tech Meetup put 20 500 people on the street on the days of the Internet when stocks and of course the actor protests in Europe which were extensive all and you could see it in the way the Kony 2012 video took off around the world built up on massive social networks and organizing by the by the people for many many months and 5 years before this video took off all yes the you heard the Amazon speak about the battle between plant road and Susan G. Komen again another example of the Internet public making its voice heard the and you can see strands of this DNA in the student protests in Tel-Aviv in that in their protests in Turkey yeah In the student protests in Chile the and the Million Voices Against FARC not just in Colombia but throughout South America and other parts of the world you even see it in places where you would think the Internet is much harder to use for free speech in places like Russia or even in China where it might be impossible to actually right on the blog which you really think of the government but even in this case with Chang Wen Chen when he was fighting for the right to travel to the United States millions of Chinese posted pictures of themselves wearing dark glasses as their profile post photos in solidarity letting themselves and letting people in the world know they were members of the public and you can even see the Internet public in Gangnam Style I mean think about it a video that receives over a billion views 4 months the across the planet this was not possible 10 years ago and it may be more possible and we'll see in the we will be the reminiscing about going on style because our cultural and connect Rupert are cultural norms of what's acceptable is being
transformed because of the same DNA but you know all of these
obligations of forgetting a style for the most part were protest movements and many people say that the Internet so far has only done a good job at organizing us to say no but I can show you a couple examples where organizing is actually saying yes actually building something so error curtain was here yesterday from you should UT but UCT mapping wasn't just used initial initially to adaptive to make it known to the world about the elections in Africa in Kenya but is now being used
as the default crisis mapping tool for earthquakes for flooding for forest fires even for parking spaces in New York City Boston
and end of Washington DC in many parts of the world their projects like fix my street where people could take pictures of potholes and post them online and crowdsourced their infrastructure of the city and more and more cities in our listening paying attention and responding to these requests Kickstarter a project started in in Brooklyn New York so I put this slide up because the National Endowment which is the
national the US National Programme for the arts had a budget last year of 146 million dollars In
Kickstarter a start up that only that the that exist 3 years ago last year
race 320 million dollars for arts projects without the help of the government just through the Internet public in 2 thousand and
8 uh of a group of
technologists got together and started thinking whether Twitter could be used for monitoring elections introduced a project called the Twitter Vote Report were over 50 thousand Americans going to the polling places posted images tweets about long lines broken voting machines in effect a Jimmy Carter election monitoring program on steroids which is now in use in many other places in the world to monitor elections challenge that gov
which is a platform that allows the government to put problems online and
allows citizens coders entrepreneurs to solve those problems on a massive scale and this is 1 of my favorite examples of the public is a project called project must selecting and was started about 6 years ago in South Africa where a young woman it was HIV positive who was running a hospice in South Africa came to a conference in in in main United States called pop and told the story of the fact that her her in a hospice 40 per cent of her nurses were HIV positive that 40 % of her country was HIV positive but that her
country was in denial that there was no political will to inform the public how to protect themselves how to uh uh be tested to wear
condoms the government was in denial there was no public awareness campaign and she was begging for a a solution to try to get the word out now normally foundations would come together governments of come together people would raise money and they would start buying television ads a radio ads were billboards along highways informing people that they should work on them so they should be tested but they did have this kind of money and the age at them it was raging in other parts of the world as well so group of technologies got together and started looking at the problem and realize that there were 35 million text messages sent in South Africa every single
day of which 7 million were just 3 letters P. C. M which stands for please call me and the reason why those
7 messages were sent that way was because many people in South Africa didn't have minutes on the phone they couldn't afford it so they would text PCM to a friend who might have minutes on the phone and that friend would call them so they can actually speak whatever they did this it would leave all 157 characters of white space in the text message on used so these technologists working with zoning went to the telco companies in South Africa and asked them whether they would allow the public service message to be embedded into that text message and so they agreed for 5 % of the of the uh text messages that were sent that there would
be a message that would say do you have a fever if you have a fever maybe you should vote can be tested for HIV if you're going out are you
bringing condoms if you're having unprotected sex your chances of contracting AIDS or much higher In these messages started going out and the AIDS Hotline in South Africa it saw a 500 per cent increase in traffic and I don't have the exact figure but at somewhere in the area of 500 thousand people have now been tested for HIV
because of this service and the service is now expanding to warn people about other diseases in South Africa in in that a set of throughout Africa around malaria and tuberculosis using
white space in text messages as public service announcements but let's stop for a 2nd because I think we're all excited about the Internet and we all love it it means a great deal of to us were spending time here meeting each other listening to crazy people from the United States because stage but we have a problem but as soon as I can see every very well but
how many people here have read a terms of service all the way
through before you said yes I agree 3 hands beforehand this has the Facebook
Terms of Service or the ch
it's endless it continues on for ever and we have no idea what it says a few
what the focal we do in
the only relying on the government to protect us a we're relying on companies to protect us we're so enamored by these technologies so seduced by them by the desire for information by the desire to be connected to that we're just saying I agree
this is a privacy is in today's world seriously with an image someone actually built that maybe for this photograph to be taken this is the image of Foursquare's traffic throughout the world and this is Facebook's and
this is twitter so tha and this is the flow of data as you see it
all goes through the United States and this is
the way the national security agency monitors traffic in United States no question of all the companies that
showed you Twitter Facebook Foursquare that
you use is is anyone here absolutely sure that your personal data was never shared with the government or some other inappropriate source without your knowledge is there someone who was absolutely sure that that data was protected
is there anyone here will raise their hand sinner what are we doing the seriously when asking
questions the unit was shut off in the Egypt because Vodaphone was ordered to by Mubarak Vodaphone European company maybe there's some shareholders in world maybe you should be asking what they were doing was seen to embark in the United States during the Sandy hurricane or cell phones stopped working
power was off the diesel generators for the cell phone to cell towers only lasted for 8
hours no one's asking is this the way it should be in Boston after the bombing cell phones stopped working and I hope because of the fact that they were shut off but because so many people were using them but were not asking ourselves the question what is the proper infrastructure for all are Internet public in an era where fear is a commodity being sold and traded by our politicians the
the 2 I'll show you the real
picture the ring of steel and we have so many of these cameras it's estimated that in London and New York people were photographed thousands of times during the course
of the day and it's been studied that these cameras are actually not reducing crime and at the cost of
them could put hundreds and thousands of more police officers on the street then they watch having them what just in this way and they're watching us those
it's all men by the way I'd like to see women
not only brought into higher roles of public service because I believe that of women work given the opportunity to have share equally with men politically there being far less death and destruction in the world and it was mentioned
yesterday that if your tech conference is 90 % rubbish afford medicine men sorry it's rubbish we know what I'm
not I'm on challenging the men
in this sitting who worked to be here today at a conference to ask the next
time you're going to that conference right to them and ask them what the ratio of men to women are the if we want to change the world we have to do it the it's not the text that that that covered organizer it's certainly not the man sitting at these terminals it's last and the technology so
great face recognition software this coming
it's here think about the ring of steel match with this technology and ask yourself again are you sure that those companies that you're signing up to have not shared any of the data appropriately
now we watch the protesters so but
in the US and we were envious actually of the way in which Europe organize against actor and actually really pissed off ourselves that nobody in United States even knew that the United States was signing out actor I always say I can't believe I still say this politicians don't know the difference between a server and a waiter but even the worst technologies do not know the difference between a bill and a check the disconnect between the world of
technology in the world of politics is so far apart the the battle over so but is
not gonna happen United States again it happened because the technology
industry or the Internet public was not part of the political process and as markets and market incumbent market players like the record industry like the movie industry like the American Chamber
of Commerce started to see their markets the road further because they failed to end of it because they wanted to continue to monopolize
copyright and all the rights that they had built up using money in politics for decades they went to Congress and a over reached and
finally been over reaching they woke up the sleeping giant call the Internet public and we showed up just in time to get Congress to turn
those bills away but Congress is going to be full the 2nd part because frankly Congress got punched in the stomach by the sober protests and you know what it's like when you place in the stomach when you know it's coming in when you don't know what's coming well kind get punched in the stomach by sober when it did know what's coming but now they're watching and
so incumbents whether it be the copyright industry or whether it be the hotel industry or whether it be the car industry or
whether it be the oil industry or whether it be the health care industry or whether it be the religious industry they're going to continue to use their influence through the old political system to try and keep the internet from being open for them the Internet is a foreign objects it
is not something that they want it's not something they need it's not something they like we're fooling ourselves if we're thinking that we're
going to declare a declaration of Internet freedom we do not have an open democracy in United States are elected leaders choose us we don't use them they turn their districts into snakes so they can make sure that only people like them vote for them we vote only on Tuesdays which was market day in 1785 when farmers no man were coming to vote
on the only men come to the we have closed
primaries and we have far too much money in politics and with something silly call the Electoral College where you can get more votes from all the Americans all American citizens on election day but still lose the election because we count electoral votes based on states and so now or presidents are chosen based on 6 or 7 states that or in the balance so if we want an open in are we really going to get it by demanding free speech on the Internet as the way we have the cart
before the horse the way it should work is we should be fighting everywhere for open democracy so that
the open Internet is a byproduct of an open democracy it's not the other way around where following ourselves if we think it is I suspect the yeah public that the other 4 so plus I bet you 95 % of the people showed up at the protests in New York or anywhere else I didn't even read the entire law they showed up because their friends told him it was cool great we manage to stop the but now those incumbents are not going to attack the Internet directly they're going to use a little razor blades and start cutting little cuts hearing there
because they're going to assume that we're not going to read the bill because we're not when I read in
the terms of service why would we read a piece of legislation
what law enforcement needs spine uses United States law but this can be applied across other democracies as well currently in a Warner a subpoena a national security letter but assist cuts this passes all they can do is
just search attempts see if I get this value would basically right now the only people can search without a warrant of the NSA if this but passes the IRS Interpol US Army veteran affairs and track the training federal training camp public train
company homeland security US Postal Service and of course immigration and we can allow the Internet to die by a thousand cuts we are because
repressing agree all the time so I kind of feel like this now has been replaced by this there was so much hope that Obama was going to be the present it was gonna change the system there was even
more hope after he won a 2nd term that he would that he had that basically play hardball the 1st term that he would blow the system up the 2nd term this administration is more clandestine more secretive more vindictive against whistleblowers then the Bush administration they're talking about just as an example they're talking about removing people in
prison Guantanamo and moving them to a national security facility United States there are no hot because they're on a hunger strike they're not protesting because of their location so when you see this maybe we
should be thinking about this they have 1 of those they don't OK we should have the
right to decide when that which goes on or off fact maybe we should side that
it's hard wired only our the I really don't mind of the governor watches
me as long as I can watch the government
back another question when was the last time when you
wrote a letter asking the government I wanna watch back a foil request so no no 1 not a single person here has ever filed a Freedom of Information Act
request 1 person to people OK this 5 or 6 OK thank you so here's a here's a piece of
legislation that I would suggest that you all right to your legislators about it's called a
public online information Act the it was proposed in Congress to get to send a senator congressman to support it no other member of Congress supported this bill and what this piece of legislation says was that anywhere in the existing law or in existing regulations where a piece of information or a document is required
to be public it can no longer be considered public unless it's machine readable and searchable online it doesn't change
Freedom of Information Law request because you can
request that is information from the Government that is a necessary required to be public and if you receive
it you don't necessarily have to make a public key could be a journalist researching a story you're allowed to ask the government for your document in the countries where they have freedom of information laws I realize that not everywhere has them but imagine if the in public was the demand that we redefine the term public is machine readable and searchable online there's a gentleman who was was close to speak here he didn't commit show unfortunately um genome anymore and getting worse off for a recent book that advocates that federal election reports financing reports who was giving money to whom should be read only the and
not digitized that's crazy
talk and no 1 is complaining In fact it Jenny has a column in the New York Times because the mainstream media by the way also doesn't like the unit very much it's of foreign objects
so I don't play a little piece of this video for you because this is this reminds me of the idea that we can watch a Government backed if we choose this
is a video taken by a drone flying over the act approaches in Warsaw so what's playing me ask you do you think that are governments are going to allow us to do this in 10 years when Granger everywhere they're not
is a metaphor for a political system we should be
able to fly Internet drones over the Internet to protect that the protect ourselves but it won't happen if we press of
greedy without reading what we're agreeing to the open Internet depends on the
you don't wait for the government don't wait for those companies today how wonderful it would
be that when someone looks at Wikipedia 10 years you know the the someone can saying that because of Republic the Internet is now open thank you very much this is
all new states and the war and
the Parliament you knew all debate is told nothing in for this is all speculation is and things the numerous calls exons operated at L. 1 or 2 questions of can you make a predict
some by when the true Digital global democracy will have its breakthrough and who will bring jobs OK so but I'm not quite sure where
were they have a breakthrough anytime soon in Congress for example you it right now there's about 6 members of Congress to know how the internet were actually works were not electing our cell electing people into government that understand this and you know uh at each political system is different we should have not just 1 Pirate Party trying to change
political uh will in countries which have dozens of them and there's not enough so I'm not optimistic actually
used to be very optimistic that there would be more change sooner that this technology would create more opportunities for political change but in it might take another 10 or 15 years there's a great book if you haven't read it by Steven Johnson called future perfect where he tries to make a case that all of this connectivity the DNA of the Internet public is actually a political movement is not a party it's an ideology of political layout art ideology some of it is associative what's known as the peer economy With the sharing economy there's really to the really sometimes very different things there are companies that are using this connectivity to create businesses like yeah B and B and various car sharing apps that are out there um and OSA in some cases very remarkable services but there are other people who believe that we should use these technologies to create an entirely different fabric of society where people sharing with each other bartering with each other and not looking at the GDP of a given country to determine whether the country is doing well it's a completely different perspective that idea that political idea is just a little tiny little light on the horizon right now it won't change until are generation of technologically active and politically active uh citizens start running for office and actually changing the law in for example passing a law like the public online
information no question please little
and when I 1st saw the topic of the talk I thought it would be a little more optimistic when it comes to how open Internet can bring openDemocracy but maybe I was lying at and I was wondering around do you see any hope and wider have white to politicians that conditio that sort OK so had and I
Marginal shut myself that I'm I'm come across as being so pejorative but I am worried and I wasn't so aware when I 1st got into this industry so it's you know let let me describe to dissuade the government it is government agencies delivering the services that we expect them to deliver
using the tools that we use every day so we can pay our parking tickets online we can pay our taxes may be applied for pop art mixture
students that a public school gasses security benefits and more and more governments are doing this but with all those phones that everyone has and all the devices people are starting to collect data themselves sometimes on purpose like taking pictures of potholes obviously but sometimes just in the background where they take pictures of where the traffic patterns and other things are exposed and governments is starting to let more and more data out because there are some innovators in government the believe the government data is better and better in the hands of the public than in the hands of commissioners or or secretaries in government offices and so what's happening is is that instead of some of these technologies that the data from the government in the data has been collected by citizens a coming together and creating not government but what I call we government where citizens and sometimes companies or building platforms and tools and services that are useful for people in their daily lives and doing it faster and better than government so I had a argue with a friend of mine in the in in in New York recently who said well you know with this we government idea you have uh you know people still going to the driver's licenses in 30 years so you'll still need the government I was like really if the autonomous cars are we really going to the driver's licenses are we really going to uh stand in line and government office 30 years now and apply for 1 maybe they'll be a common still the root root ruling or maybe we won't actually will have social norms where we want actually owned cars ourselves will share cars because we know it's better for the planet you know it took the British navy 150 years before if it you put lime juice and on chips after it was discovered that wonders prevent scurvy the it's going to take maybe another 20 or
30 years frankly this is an anthropological problem not a technological problem no question please yes sir I can't even hi andrew and thank you for asking a very critical question on our reliance on technology but it seems that 1 of the problems that we press agree it's because of we expect that the text to be machine readable but we don't think about human readable text surely we should be demanding that these terms of agreement and should be more
human-friendly I'm an and how actually have agencies to interpret and confers maybe so when i an idea that would be great if someone in this room wants to make is there should be a website called before you agree . com where we take the terms of service of major companies like Facebook and Twitter and Foursquare and Microsoft and Google and we posted on a site where we allow citizens to translate
the terms of service into plain language that everyone can understand and then radiates so we can know that others think that this is the safe behavior there are some people who are also working on this idea Ukraine a marketplace where we can actually that projector are barred
desire and how our gate is going to be using the companies compete with us I compete for the right to serve us it's a very nice idea from a sort of theoretical perspective but I don't see it happening in practice because I frankly think that we don't have any hour and a minute you know and there's so much data outside out out right now that somebody really wants to find out use so security number you date of birth you're addresses your credit history they can do it so I kind of think that the gene is out of the bottle what we need is education and we should be educating our children because privacy is different for different generations and which which education educating our peers so they
understand what they were giving up whenever they are assigned those terms of service yes sir about
that thank you for this alarming Introduction to the EU report brought that do you think you know that is a big challenge to do open their from side of the than the canonical political organization of the weapons I mean the and of course this structurally underlies but there is mean there's no centimeters of and some of center behave like the bacon hops or like the super centralized violence like corporates cops computing curative services in this kind of things total the center of a stick in the uh it in the way of organizing the thing to be that sit up and the 2nd is to be key global and industrial of of surveillance and security and . 1 is the big push strands privacy and anonymity and text that so
what what is the governance of the air I can were the UN why are we asking what
is the government would you belong to an organization and not know who was How it's organized
what the bylaws are who's on the board makes decisions gave money to whom were not asking these questions and we're letting the government the side and negotiate for less us in secret and corporations are in many cases more powerful than the government's Apple has more money in its account in the US government does and uh in the few have seen it uh an actor Richard Dreyfuss actually did entire performance uh reading the apple Terms of Service at a given
hour and a half I and say are there
many other people who will be speaking here who know the subject you much better than me I'm not really a an expert on In law in a protocols I international trade agreements around technology I'm just remember the public wondering who is collecting my data every time I had agree on 1 of these buttons and then watching whistleblowers be put in jail by the US government or people being arrested or killed in Russia for Mubarak shutting off the internet in Egypt which I'll be asking questions I'm an expert anyone else had 1 more Hi Handy thing Summers was very good to have to raise awareness about these issues and I just wanted to inform the public here that doing my Twitter cases where the Twitter or the was government demanded that would it would hand over my information in the 1st quarter ruling and basically the jet-set that we don't have the right to protect their own backs once we take a greedy have button I would have to rely on the social media to do it for us and the question is is that reversible I'm
not I don't understand you as long at but what I understand is that all
these social services we use an is hosted in 1 way or another in the united states and thus will a subject of being um have probed into and many people don't understand the governments that have axis like this and they have even much greater access than if for sample that would go into your physical whole so what can we do you have any ideas what you can do to reverse this or if this really bad for pruning can be made the reverse can
we as the people off the internet do anything to put pressure uh but so
I'm trying I mean we can try the problem is is that the vote people were making those laws and making those rules don't want the open Internet they don't that's it's a threat to them so why would they write a law to make it easier for the public to tell them what to do what to do it in a way that's more fair and more equitable the virus to an analogy come to think of as it's like if you forget the interest imagine the at the conversion of our society from the agriculture which the industrial age it's like we are all uh you know running factories and uh an own steam engines and we're going to the uh horse owners to ask them to write the laws for us it's really that ridiculous they don't want the open Internet so why it so how can we possibly expect them to write laws that are favorable to the open yes there's some investment uh bankers will say we need an open Internet in order to be able to stimulate economic development but there's so few of those voices the voices we need are the ones that are in this room and are brother and all over the world we're not asking not demanding when not reading the we have to change it that's why they don't have enough Oliver get that you should be there there are
some people in the in the world who were members of the public that have what I would call
idle status because they're fighting for these rights and if you don't know where you should never get that because she's been fighting this for longer than I have and she may be able to help us find the way anyway I would be around for the rest of the day
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