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The erosion of privacy is the collateral damage of the unrestrained information-economy.
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and or high everyone instances much for being here and I have no slide so has been the talking and I have no idea what the title of my talk means and in the amount of it so I have to apologize for any and the that and as you saw on the actual proposal that the US and tuple occasionally it was to do something on data capitalism and the analogy that capitalism is represented in spirit the
nodal logos are behind my back by that still something that I think we need to have given mind so I will costs and actually discussed quite a bit but also politics economics and finance which I think it is important to give in mind when we talked about questions like privacy in a sense what I would like to do in my talk today distal actually try to be a little bit provocative and if I had to give another title to this it will follow the beyond practices are in that might sound a bit weird for someone like me who are have written a book about has certain states and the ways in which Cervantes happening to our online and in these devices to we're talking about beyond on privacy but I think it's very important to realize the particular way in which the debate about data pull subjectivity and a message was variance is being framed and I think that the privacy framework as much as I love it and as I think it is very important as a set of issues and thing in some sense it's also very limited and is limited in terms of
what it is that we can do about the future and to have to get off a thing of stock was was many go some of you may have heard what about this guy but show buckles side that students who are in March decided to do a very of experiment you put up all of his personal data online on his website and he decided to sell it to the highest bidder and everything cues e-mail his passwords Joe occasional data his health day that his notes on everything would be offered to the highest bidder who want to our get access to all of his data fulfillment rated in terms of Domanski got about 53 bits our intelligence salt of all of that force it in the 2 URIs and the have hacked off this guy should buckles that students was clearly an activist at rate that was not a matter of him getting their children do it because you don't have enough are just wanted to show that our data has value 0 and some of that value is being exploited by companies and they're not getting any of the ivy turns right except for the the services that they offer which might actually not be as valuable as the data that you generate which clearly reflects that is reflected in there and the total financial value of those companies but I think the tutor given mind here is that at the technological and economic and the social context in which such an act that was possible is very important given mind and in a sense it has become very easy to ask how active but also to commodify may do everything about you all of the data that you know you possibly produce now is easily made the expected that that's easily patentable in that's is more advisable red and of course given the precarious economic situation where in R given that there's some of that data does have an economic value are quite a few of us are interested in the idea that you have the same value in this data that you might want to unlock data and for many people inside of silicon valley I think this also is a very appealing proposition visible in Proposition especially to companies and start-ups that want to take a long the areas that are monopolistic companies like Google companies like Facebook that have a mass of about data and have building by business moral are essential around exploiting here without compensating abuses so this is clearly a movement that is the very populist in that seeks to liberate our data from those companies and you know a lot about movement is driven by acting and actress and technologist a lot of it is driven by smaller start-ups hosts the basic value then the basic value proposition position in the economic model is quite different from those of Google and Facebook Britain's that also trying to sell advertising based on that they that they seek to provide the tools through which we ourselves can manage monetize and deal in that data that act with red so they seek to basically break up those monopolies and give us the means that the was this data everything we want and I think it is clearly a some appeal but equal in technological audiences are toward such a proposition it would of course be nice that they called the beta and make it our own and and causality but I think we have to be a very careful in I'm making that assumption I think we have to be very careful in but moving the world a world where data is not tradable is modifiable and it is a commodity because ultimately I think that world will simplify many of the trends and that do not have to do with politics or do not have to do with technology but have to do with politics and economics that our ADI quite ugly the right and that brings me to what I said at the very beginning of how I think the way in which you talk about privacy right now is in some way limiting because it does more updated but on note all this a broader economic and social context that when the like to put forward is that we do see a major consideration in the how political social and especially economic institutions work rate and they do want to provide services that are highly personalized vector that are based not on error 1 size fits all kind of approach but in the highly personalized specific service that they do want to know as much as they can about who we are due on us a better service regular to see that in companies like in a B and B which basically claim that the fact that each of the users have as reputation rate enables them to establish new markets and new transactions where the where markets and transactions couldn't have been built otherwise stated clearly see a way in which are here we are invited and encouraged to develop the application of online and the practically curative right and some of that feeds into what I think is the other guy framing of this issue you know that the framing of publicness but some of it I think is quite general and you is clearly a value proposition to lot of individuals in the brain or isn't you know outward people that can be unlocked from are becoming more visible light that's you know how we are being told that you know that's how we'll be able to get better loans this I would be able to get the services that I will be able to get all of the other things which are kind of available to us because our the how actual application is not visible to the parties with from that and that right and what I would like to argue is that coming the portal of apparatus if you will the bottle that ality awful disincentives and that the palatal wall of this incitement to actively cure rates our reputation online that shape the way we think about ourselves and our future in a way that is not poorly visible if your brochures issue solely from the perspective of sort of privacy and control for our own data and institutions out whether the commercial commercial ones do shape the actually environment if you will in which we make those decisions how to our new now become visible how to actually tools that we are credible renters where credible that purchasers of insurance recommendable drivers they're credible this and that and that is clearly on a set of incentives that that does prompt us to become 1 more publicly visible trade and if you start approaching this issues solely from the perspective of whether we are responsible for making the kind of data disclosures that made I think we miss a lot of space for art activism in this news a lot of campaigns that could actually tackling broader structural forces at play here and here we would need to talk about capitalism and talk about the liberalism get to talk about you know with this is society will be securities they would need to start talking about broader issues that people who deal with issues like privacy which are most the happiest acknowledges and the lawyers argument as to what to talk about a tackle rate in my greatest fear is that are you know suppose that all of the good things that acknowledges and lawyers who want to happen will actually happens right and we will develop perfect tools for encryption and will develop a perfect laws that will force the that a technology companies to actually are in control of the data I will force them look to share our data with the security services as security services requested imaginable that agenda actually happens rate of what I think we'll
find out is that in terms of how we still interact with the state in terms of how we interact with this argument for providers of services where this hospitality with this importation how we interact with banks that make decisions about whether to make a loan to us how we interact with us
and there is no house that system how international institutions will be profoundly shaped by their gender off making and personalizable in making it driven by reputation rather than by something else and as long as it is written by application I think that we will be forced to release the data that but since indeed discourse in which you operate this decision will be considerate and anonymous and an eponymous 1 right it will be made because we actually think that is good for us to disclose our reputation to profit from certain know discount to profit from certain problems or to become you know how to write to wear out of pocket and they're being the how that would lead to the erosion of the kind of space for shaping ourselves in the way in which you want to shape ourselves right and I think is the poor theory and the core goal of activism that should be pursued that the goal of our active this should not be to give us the uh you know the secured tools for sharing access to the information that we want that because I don't believe that the kind of information with disclose is fully dependent on how you know whether you want to disclose it it also depends on a lot of structural factors that are not under our control you know if you want to go again to take the favorite example of the sharing economy and if you want to go to in b and the and now they would ask you for a proof of the identity which might be a Facebook down to appear on Google + account for our final something else that is doing the in red and if you don't do that then you toppled the video and the my my my basic point is that have this should that you're seeing in the provision of services both commercially and low commercially does create uh have a new set of our crashes on us to we develop our personality in a way that as you know conducive to being seen as good and credible this has reliable and as the rest were says we can which I think is an issue of concern because you know if you think about it the have had to quote a you know 1 of the uh former senior executives of global who went to start his own landing spot of based on big data so he's he's essentially on thank apply our algorithms and the data to figure out whether you know Ben should give you a loan you all data is collected data that's essentially what he said and if all data kinetic data meaning that they everything that you do in your life partially determines whether or not you this year alone what insurance rate will be charged or whether you will be allowed to certain there is a lot in certain areas if we move to the source of error of the smart city and and that will profoundly shape how people behave red and the kind of discipline if you will that will happen so schemas will probably pose a much greater development a much greater threat to develop allows subjectivity into the development of our personality and that anything else that and this is where I think we have to blow them up this debate and to go beyond just purely tactical and legalistic matters which have defined as the base so far what we will be at the policies of that company's where specific laws will get encryption that all of that this final that work must be done diff here is that we might succeed in that project and if we succeed in the project and don't do anything else about the factual factors that that is shaping how we view ourselves to institutions businesses and full force deployed of those skills will not be particularly grade right because what's the point of giving you the polls to but that this space for shaping my own personality if the banks insurance companies and everyone else forces need to disclose to much about myself as I can you can argue that enable the physicians eponymously threatened that you have full control about what I want to post my brain but the idea is that the banks mental decisions right and this is why I think we need to be able to because the struggle in a much broader and much more political terms I do think that we need to start thinking about data and privacy of from perspectives that I down the think finance that that out at the near little from I find it mentioned finance and they have to be able to understand what are the financial values attached to this data and how some of these companies you know we'll be using it in the future and if you think about a company like Google Facebook think specifically about global at google right now is mediating were last will be mediating impose years at medial baskets of everyday life they will have this modernist artists they have just what's in the smoking detector which means that they're present in your bedroom through the smart card the presently your car that they know we don't know what that and you get into so this might detector they know there is that your house might identifier fire that's who asked my glasses they get all sorts of other data and not to mention the smartphone that you have in your pocket if you think about it from the perspective what was what this data can be used for I'm in Google Asif on the bones of data doubt that banks and insurance companies would kill for because Google knows how to price this they know what kind of risks you undergo only everyday life in band a much better position to predict whether you build a faultily alone or not simply because you know and as they move into the payment business will be able to make better predictions about that but then if that's the case a I I don't actually I think that this is visible proposition I do think that advertising as long as the last frontier for what to whom I do given how much data that have accumulated right but if that's the case if you we will start seeing the integration all of this data into the provision of financial and other services and and the idea is that by what to you do in everyday life we fact out all sorts of Father dimensions for existence whether they have to do with cells will have to ensure is will they have to do is scattered thinking and so forth so I do think that will the money in the environment where you will not have had because the freedom to experiment to put in there but no terms that they had before and I have nothing to do with how much control you have about your own information if everything to do with how much power we allow the base to have right so I you know it might sound like a
very bad news to to to solve you but I think the really care about how much space you want to give to people to experiment on their own lights and to undertake the projects out of their own willing the fight is not limited to building tools in passing loss that have to do with data protection the files and used to expand and start tackling this broader Eugene source you governors governmentality or whatever offense at the only 1 to attach has to do what they say right and I don't think that the community our from which you know some wisdom which dust tend to view this issues from very kind of narrow well-defined our perspective which you know in some cases works really well if you welding I I don't I don't want to disparage people building encryption calls or no pushing for their protection laws and if we don't have that things will be even worse but I think that enough we have to be able to understand that have both tools will not suffice and those laws will suffice in that essentially the our people working on that issues and people working on these delicious especially in the active is deleted will need to find a way to start thinking to other social movements and other those so social movements are the ones opposing because there's a agenda or the ones opposing banks or the ones opposing our Wall Street and in I I think those alliances hope to happen because of those alliances gonna happen will end up in in the in the environment where have you know essentially data will define the 0 much of the subsequent our decisions that you take in life and it is a start up now in the west and that's data well that for example I tries to predict whether you should be what they should receive credit with alone are based solely on your grades in high school the rate at which means that to hurt you with your but high school criterion now becomes a factor that in and deciding whether right you will be given alone not right and that that is of this of course is all very Mansour poetry and empowering and the idea is that for people who don't have added they would only have a credit ranking who do not have a credit history and examination of all of those small details of everyday life that will allow to actually give them credit and to essentially will allow them to become bankable if you will are just like everyone else's well of course there's bankability comes at a price and that's that's are all those demands of everyday life that a previously on these on our polluted if you well by the logic of my and granted suddenly become a bold by right and I think the answer here is not to have you know try to build tools so vassal of the fight for better protection losses and dance adheres to start questioning our good nature of threat of relationships and the the way in which credit has become essential through our success in a in in in our life right so and here done if that's the frightening throws you want to approach it and the kind of questions will be asking reveal the very different from the normal digital questions that we ask uh I think it's very normal and I think that that's the kind of question that this community should be asking the questions to be asked do have to do with the nature of dreaded the nature in which are banks have taken this proportional role in determining policy and all those questions at all to be asked at the same time as we are asking questions about Google and Facebook because this digital economy does not exist that are being on on the album the very adjective digital makes it sound as of this stuff of disconnected from everything else that you do is collected from banking is disconnected from insurance it exists some in cyberspace in the digital world and all that is nonsense it's all the from grounded in what we do in our everyday life at profoundly grounded in Canada this making eventually by mining it so I I do think that we need to figure out how we can they can that will bring back maybe that for the 1st time the connection between some of the key seeks that we see of the digital world if you want to stick with that label as some of the key seats of neoliberalism sophisti because essentially of the times we live in and they are the neoliberal times and you know you can forget about it by focusing on some obscure digital aspect of the contemporary presence but you know let me assure that the present as well but it could determining of less iterations and what is the terminal velocity nation does have to do was money does have to do with that does have the was things are you don't have to do with the kind of governance mechanisms to see whether it's in state institutions and the officers that will have to do with the analysis which to logic that has everything to do with preemption red that was all 4 of us today we don't even want to have to have a robust health this system why because the health system would become a necessary at a time when people can when it for themselves in real time and identify symptoms before they form before they sort of have during into serious problems right that's the sort of future of
health care that is being sold to us the silicon valley in that in that future no duties the pressure moratorium everything that happens to you besides the ball went the visit to the doctor the rate and that it might
be that the nominal pedigree excited about seeing the doctor and the he'll for some was it will be a very I know I actually useful are useful development but I think you have to keep in mind that this logic of preemption once it invades but every aspect of your life and it is possible now that you know smart devices more or less mediate already every aspect of your life know once that happens I think the kind of decisions that you make have will no longer be decisions that you could have made if you do so the pressure of preemption right but understand that you have to go and start looking into political agendas whether those
agendas aerobic society on margin something else this is real stuff you know is driven by by ideology that is driven by political problems that most of us working the Beatles this prefer not to look into a because it is just so much stuff in the space of happening is so exciting and want to talk about
anything essentially that you know it's some in some sense very convenient to are frame is a question of privacy because we know what to do yeah that it is not being done you know we know that we need to Egyptian tools and all that we need to add to pass laws that have no clue what to do about falsity situated about banks with the work insurance companies what to do about all of that but it'll have a good answer and we can build the map can build a more secure protocol they don't even know what close to pass because all those industries at the blame bad them to the state self and this environment I think way and they have to confront them in the environment where in is not the 1 where you know we can just put more money into tools and loss in just forget about the broader socio economic context and thing OWL for all the out of time and you probably do have some time for questions so in lecture like to hear back from you as well so maybe we'll just open it up the user might summary and have 5 minutes OK so if you have a question I'll be happy to to address if so what is it so what is this kind of movement look like were we take the concerns of the privacy issues and went on to something that's questioning the role of banks in our lives of questioning the role of credit lives how do you imagine that looking that is protester we have chair and I think you already have a lot of
movements in specific countries that are trying to push against some of this to use this work the liberal agenda like about it when you have a very strong and David and there's there's a movement in Spain for example which I probably have is beginning to think about the way in which the you know your data will eventually shaped many of the decisions that have to do was you know getting mortgages and getting everything else in and it's not so for me I think the key point of the need to keep in mind is that it's not possible and it's not needed and I don't think it's desirable to have a social movement that they'll be focused solely on digital issues that's why I think you know the price in Germany hi you know they an important where are whatever terms whatever consumer use and in the end they had a very narrow missions and that no mission might be good for a limited amount of time but I don't think that we have this moment of advance they're far in terms of what it achieves if it focuses solely on trying to sort out the whole world as of the digital world for disconnected from everything else that is essentially what I'm saying here is that you know what everything is mediated by technology the question of technology and the digitality kind of disappears right because then you start asking questions about what that stuff is used for anything that infrastructures here meant that you have like sensors and South Afghans like it's here red like once here that the question then becomes you know showed Doppler privacy and everything else what was the right incentives political economic and social ones built into the system we need to start attacking the ideology behind both incentives by just continue talking about privacy and could which are important issues right but there are other ones and I think that you know we use missing those other broader social economical political agendas that are governing of about lines by imagining that eponymous individuals who can make this life out inexpensive decisions about what to do without data as if we did not have to take a more interact company or going talk to the state bureaucracy or something else we don't have to do that every day right and also the logics of how lines so yes you can give me all the pollsters to secure my privacy but if my bank was the have all my data right and they don't actually put it that way what good is that right right and that's where I think we don't have a good dancer and we need to start asking here then I don't want people to continue framing this issue as if all they have to do is to focus on this bureaucratic measures that would give you the right to privacy while the prime right actually exercisable in practice and we have 1 more question yeah we used a few talking about long so the banks are giving to private customers next read today in Germany you have a
practice that we have to sign of an agreement that your private data would be the given to nomination courtroom former you just gathering all the private data of all private consumers and you're in Germany and on based on that data should present isation is providing scoring so this and based on that scoring and then makes a decision whether the on this is given to the customer number and you know I understand you that no new companies as as Facebook and will will have big data also provide other others scoring services to banks her so that they could rely on that scoring and the the discussions that is discussions for the 1st scoring servers was a tool that should be obliged to disclose that I'll written to files using to calculate a score for and of course through banks do not want that and of course truth that does not want that and it's a discussion also on the European level here and my question would be do you think it is realistic that you could enforce Google and Facebook and cold to disclose that I wouldn't engines to provide school school-leaver searches through briefly it's not
just a Google and Facebook mass all this data it is that they were and that's where like I started I said that if you will be able to calculate that data and Olympian the invasive galactic and Google know the idea that you would want to create only reputation because that reputational and determine how you interact with all the so the price of the sharing economy be those transportation services are housing serves a health services something else right it can be you you know actively being asked to shape your profile right and that you know the kind of logic that forces you to shape it is itself ought to be questioned with regards to the states of the algorithm and the yes you can make out in transparent but it's not the other that worries me like what we need to question is the excessive role that credit has come to play our lights that and that you cannot do it just by uh asking that the algorithm suddenly become more transparent and yes we can say that now people will be governed by credit and transparent manner right but that doesn't deny the fact that you're still making a lot of decisions in your life was what that hell doing practice in mind in the fact that you know how exactly a decision you make now will be used to shape your loan profile and yes it's important for you to have that transparency but you also have to question whether you alive has to be governed by that process in the 1st place right and what I'm saying is that yes in the digital moment we can focus all those issues and push for transparency of algorithms we can now demanded there are strong institutional measures in place a role show was that no discrimination is happening but no non about data is being shared with Spartacist have all that is fine but it doesn't question the underlying agenda and underlying agenda in my view is that in order logic of credits coursed is spreading to all of the other domains where the another spreading followed other domains the the house the transportation the housing be something else it does make life into something qualitatively different from what it was before you have to think about the high every decision that you make will effective scoring phase will care you were in some else that and that for me is the way in which we have to start questioning and defended make some of his mother instead minutes important but it doesn't question the underlying logic so we systems offer and I think that's the logic itself which is embedded in 4 political economic ideologies the South ought to be your question and perhaps you know you could be placed at without 1 which I don't have but to social movements should start working on instead of just focusing on the narrow bits and pieces that we know how to solve with this transparency code a lot thank you get the view that thank you very
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