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Developing an Internet of Things ecosystem is what Sreowshi is working on in Bangalore. In this interview she will discuss the journey so far and future in building awareness around the penetration of the Internet to our homes, everyday objects and tool and the importance of having innovators and users work on solutions that will benefit the majority of the population and not just the producers or elite consumers.
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banks and we and welcome to the session called India of things I wish I wish I could say that I had to come the given the session its title but I have I had the heavens but thank you very much to gig and 2 Republican for inviting me to talk to sushi of as our visit introduces it and it should aim at crystals that this is a new topic and I look at Tactical Tech and research director there and now I'm an independent scholar as well in technology and so I think I know a fair
bit about the Internet of Things up but just chatting with sushi yesterday was was a real eye-opener to me because there's action on a lot but I know about of the ecosystem of the Internet of Things in India and so I think this will be kind of interesting and informative for all of us so thank you very much you she fall for being part of this is helpful for being part of Republic of syphilis Republica right yes it's my 1st about the content you Republican for inviting me down to the community when by inviting me and an nonetheless my ample hosting me thank you great so
since when kind of short on time what I'm gonna do is try and talk about a couple of issues with sushi about awoke at from the labs which is the company that are she's a cofounder of and then we'll try and open up to a few questions this I'm sure many of you have some things you wanna talk about now ask about as well so I want actually uh ask you how you got into working on Internet of Things because I take it that you're actually a geoscientist so curious about that journey maybe you could introduce yourself to us OK so I would just turn digital Diamond introduced myself so story begins late I'm from Canada university in India point that I don't know how many of you have models so I am from then on I am running and gotta be nouns to because midget as
family and from there I studied the Geoscience geo geography being my favorite because you know kind of major 11 and on that so I studied geography and then I got a job and got shifted to Jenny and that was my 1st Monday national company job and I was pretty excited about it wanted to go over there and said a and the some of my friends went into robotics they're doing some kind of robotic start help so they don't mean all white and you guys went and you'll come and join us as a marketing person and I was like yeah let me get this out because that's a saddle Saturday a very pretty much excited and I joined them up and it was 2002 that we found delta rule the labs in Bangalore India and does so from then we are walking into the Internet of things and I would just be view about my until into programs we started out as a training company was really a training company like creating resources and skewness in India into Internet of things and then to 2012 2013 at end up like that and the guest by 2014 we came up with industry approaching us lake we want solutions we want to know you to be a part of was and you know make up some IO-DTU IOT speeds IOT lamps and and that is all we have been walking and now Rubin out company which is so close to the end of the team members teams and we are into ICT solutions and designed piety resource creation by lamp and yes what about I'll do whatever you say beyond into the space and we have 1 of the pioneers in IOT in India and the actors to say that thank you thank thanks you should I I think they wanted to
actually show go on website that Townshend if it's FileLabs if and we're just going to keep that up so you can take a look because you're she saying there's actually a lot but they're working on a lot but they doing but I was not by actually changed but the newness ones so I wouldn't have much time to set this up because the last 1 removal as as it happens maybe you should just do it searching but they also get other people a chance to come in and join us and find this so so good maybe Internet is working the things of the internet are not working um so when I think about I you see I actually think about things like connected toasters and I would see in the home of the talking to sushi actually Lorentz about a much wider logic system and applications of I see that we don't often really think about so and so maybe you can tell us a little a little bit about the context of the work that you're doing in the larger sort of industry context industry applications of IOT in this 2 very interesting um clients that you work with them to be beautiful trees are finally there is the website of the so this is a website on it would take you sold a learning is that part of development is this bond solutions that I had to have is there and then the super not deserve 2 of the product so we have a 1 initiative but as rule book kids solar still at robotics is that nice and the provocative kids into robotics and we make gets
for them and we train them into robotics and and it's very interesting to see how in India a 7 year old kid can also program and do things so that was quite interesting story for us initially thinking that let's do some dragon of
software or something like that because their kids them and not be able to catch it but then it was interesting it was really very interesting and so that's 1 initiative which we are doing and the 2nd 1 is so we have our IOT platform it's a complete hardware software platform that the colonists had it's fuel alarms Iady battle sorry I don't want you need maybe people will just need to the look find themselves in the beginning and I think you can do that because when I was a little surprised to learn them but then in the other so all of that all website obscenity in any is is into that and check it out what all you have of any
time you have a sort of about the sum of the 2 clients at you with with the naive jungle system in a damn solve love than I was coming to and I was coming to Germany I was pretty much
excited about industry 4 . 0 because that's what we hear about Germany I am not really sure because within this to the it is not really a lot of anything and admire coming in and telling about smart posters and on but I would say in the eyes of yeah progress it's it's it's it's advanced 7 or in India we are talking about us smart manufacturing smart retail smart logistics and a smart transportation so when using the out we had actually not walking in the individual space of IOT more than that we are looking into the industry is space and that's what we are much curious to know about how to take this eminent through the lambs we get quite a lot of all products coming into us and recent so we are into 1 of the working with 1 of the Chinese food think industry in India in in the water I would say yeah I cannot tell you the name but it yes we are walking with that it's a it's a smart but and so it's like 1 Jakarta but that that we are walking into us we also understanding my uh that we are also working with the automobile industry and the problem statement is the date of any kind of your distortion in the painting than that when the pain the goods and all the kind of distortion BAC really cannot see as customers but then they can freely because there is a change in the colors and these basically happens to pull the change in temperature and humidity in the rule that they do this kind of paintings and that the solution that was a problem which came to us and B. that's like he was a solution so up yet so just let me tell you this is something which to be of come across every time the companies and industries comes to uh saying we want to implement the IOT we want to move into the next stage of automation but then we don't know what to do so that is our main function I am and that is what should the labs is walking into their skills development and providing applicable solutions to the company's RC coming back to the of paint industry and the automobile client so we actually did our temperature humidity control and we have implemented the settled in and all of ADL that they are actually painting the colors and of the article that lead on it's like 6 months now the project is running and so we also have a plan that by the end of 6 months we will also implement the analytics and and see how this can be sorted out and then they have a plan to take it across the globe so that is what we are walking into 2 of the project apart from that we are also working with the agriculture industry that we add up the walking into the our temperature to control so what I feel as temperature humidity control is 1 of the very important thing in any kind of industry and so what's your process for working with a client that says we
don't know anything about i t but we know that we need to be learning more about it but how do you how you have to work with them to process
so that's really challenging at times because you know what be push them is that the problem and the problem statement should come from there was it becomes really difficult for us to penetrate into all the functions that they are doing and identify the problems and then come up with a solution but that hardly happens the energy in to read is that the the the many comes as a leg could not find anything you just need to find out something so I guess that in that is what we know is we generally start with the fact is it and we try to find out the are the kind of sensors we can implement and that is again a challenge because there are certain kind of machines that you cannot implement any kind of sensors the age on machines or maybe the machine won't allow you to put any kind of sense some so is that's again a challenge but then some all we do it and that in fact the index slate 1 and 1 1 and a half months of time we need to identify the problem with such phase of the kind of ethnography phase of
kind of understanding again it changes from geography the locations in the client to client so it varies from industry to industry that only happens OK and
1 thing that I found kind of interesting was this thing about you know I seen the home and was the loyalty which I feel I hear a lot about from but there's actually this whole industrial development and application of I which is completely different so why you think there's no sort of connected tho still enthusiasm in India
because everybody's on mobiles and you know why don't people want connected toasters
OK so all that some question I think of maybe Indians like without tossing to expect that I don't know but thoroughly of the much less unsolvable on battery is that's really a concern that in Indiana you don't find people more into the individual space of variety so I will just tell you a brief about it so ball I think God in US UK and in general we have seen IOT as a like automation smart devices from it is it's it's not something that is new to you people like you know getting into the ordered already have managed to RDF thermostat not things you already have but thought he knew that it is a very new concept and so it on that OK let's not jump into this other than let's get into the I'm part of afraid that's the industry perspective which is what a because there is a lot of industries coming in with the new government in there is making India concept and now we are more focusing in to make any so when we focus on to make in India industry industries something which is about a P a lot so that's why we are more focusing into the industry sections section of that and this I would say in moved maybe the smart device in the individual species it's growing people that taking it out the thinking that yes we should also do it fit that is a very o variables are very high and then and the home yeah smart-home gamete also get Mendez coming to us saying that we need to model solutions because no no flats which are really make you know maybe could or flats so in that we actually see that and I think that we need smart home solutions but then it's yes yes and I think that cost is probably a factor
as well I mean I don't I mean I think eventually there are going to be more not connected devices as you say a set of luxury apartments and sort of high and a real estate is going to start offering things I and I would also mention 1 thing that other than as I'm not still pretty much shorter
bowed over here all I think it will be made to be more should be more much e-mail all people leading into cities and all the not much of an award the concept of I O T is so still it does like of UCI IOT they're like OK so but then cities like Bangalore on May 10 named the ppmm atrocities probably they're taking up too much into IOT and also in the industrial city they're thinking so I think it is it can happen that that is fine but many is we all villain answers to love what we also bring into the MNS creation and secure development we working the couple of law government projects as well to bring up all sector in with this sector skin Council of India all that stuff IT company IT city of India with that idea so the only thing missing parts of the desert
clarity data guarantee Council of India sold the and also trying to develop something called GDP on and then a and B and framing the proposal to submitted to our
government to bring out something of that sort of thing OK so this is a good point at which to talk about things around data protection
and privacy because we you don't have a data protection in there we don't have robust privacy regulations and and the sort of unspoken elephants uh in the room and that we we spoke about yesterday and when we met was that of around privacy and security issues which are really it does allow big great conversation in this country around data protection and privacy and she was saying that it was really interesting and you follow to come in and through the Pyrenees these people talking about privacy and data protection is a allegedly prediction is all of attending compensations from last is an icy on of
bars on individual data protection individually dialog GDP art and all that matters in India you don't see that much into the individual species are kinda reason being we don't use that much of thought individual devices I think maybe but then again now it is my forms and that of cell is there but yes we are also trying to frame on proposal as in GDP i'd and submitted to our government i Javier i is the general data protection law that's in UK right so yeah something that's what we also doing I think the problem is in the is just a 60 65 years on the young country and certain things to come up with very very fast acting 228 Diamond then again it's it's it's of here with the GDP and all the way progressing I think things are not the affine within 2 20 the having an and let's
see let's hope for the best and the see things going on what maybe this is where we we kind of divergent our optimism about what's what's happening with India and um engendered in terms of data protection privacy issues so so I'm actually um fairly pessimistic about the lack of data protection and regard for personal privacy and in India where even a situation right now where yes you do have a fairly uh right wing new common Hindu fundamentalist government and that wants to attract investment in India making India uh the IT industry is a very big part of that we may even disagree on you know what we think the Indian government is right now uh and and that's probably not the conversation but you've got that on the 1 hand trying to attract business but then you also have a situation that's very hot life right now around the the National biometrics database that we have it's called of power the unique identifier ID Authority of India is the body that's been set up to administer all of the personal information of a half a billion people they wanna get everybody basically on a national Biometrics and ID program and this has been kind of challenged by civil society and journalists and technologists academics full like over 5 or 10 years now ever since it's been in development of and I think it's become really big now as there are proposals to link your income tax card we have another identifying card called you know postal identify Kate identification number for income tax to basically link every kind of identity that we have to this national biometrics database of and to do away with all the other and identity cards that we have and there's a lot of discussion right now because the infrastructure is not robust and we don't have lost actually protect people and I read a very interesting article by the guy who actually start is heading um stuff of our project the biometrics project then then the yen none the Nilekani the reason why he's also really interesting is because he's 1 of the people who was at the forefront of the big IT revolution in India about 25 years ago there was no sort of butanol bangalore bangalore was a sleepy backwater town it's where people went to the trial suddenly everybody knew about Bangalore because it became India's Silicon Valley and it became the center of business processing and outsourcing of nominal a kind of valuable as we want interesting to see you have an event telling
someone that OK so from your from India but the city's when I Bangalore obviously uh from 1909 the city of India saying I k so I mean not Nilekani was the man responsible for that and then they chosen to be the person who would set up this you know sort of biometrics project so an article by him 2 days
ago in a reacting to the criticism around you know the lack of security and privacy of this massive database of half a billion people stator and what I found really interesting was he made a fantastic case for the need for privacy regulation and so on and you were reading I was reading it and thinking he makes a lot of sense he's a very very compelling interesting speaker and technologist and yet he was not actually addressing the fact that you know there is no discussion about personal privacy there is he was saying we need a privacy law but we also need this biometrics database is that is this kind of this massive kind of disconnect that's going on in the government actually doesn't need to address it I think the courts may be a bit active but I think a point in a long time I see is all
what I saw here is Islamic activists and groups acting on the data security not to there's an Indian army don't see that much I mean I have learned anything from you and I and I'm sure that going back Baghdad I'm going to find and I I just edges gather some group and make some kind of flood the activist group yeah I need to know there are some who attitude Belarus will here so this issue of kind of data protection
and privacy I think is something that is not discussed in the IOT space but is there any register in which the discussion of security comes up I mean what's the point at which sort of get hot and I like all interstate toward you there is our Data Security Council of India so all this ease of particular
organization which is working under Government of India and they are making certain laws regarding privacy all fall you know all the the has been as well the does for the company that I mean that's also concern rate we if we keep on talking about individually doubled the company's also this setting said in terms of IOT when we talk about this so this now as I told you before like also so the are kind of all we need to have a lot of me DoBeS every month and there are a lot of people involved in a lot of stakeholders involved in this academia is 1 industries are the government is 1 so we are not trying to yes start of someone so we are trying to frame of some kind of policy and the government is all these like you need to frame above viewpoints and a policy and then you give it to us and we are here to agree to that and agree to that so we are analogous we are trying to bring out all my some certain kind of points and the IRA also falling GDP out of you gain so we can take certain points from and that's why it's Emily is of my have a positive feeling that maybe that than 5 10 years of time also come up with no certain other policies which are not too not only data protection that may be set another kind of policies which are dollar not yet usable in India and what you think what are
the other policies that you think we need in the eye of the space OK so I think of and this is the
1st and foremost thing that should be done and all the winners of 11 it's about diversity t of n is about smart devices also whenever I come across the concept of I O T and B minus is the founder of IOT company I also ball I have a question in my mind and yesterday I was attending a station by a professor I am bad names so I don't remember his name but I was attending a station and he was actually telling that smart cities doesn't really mean it has to be that's technologies it can be that people becoming smile so I was like is bound that is my idea and you know I keep on speaking in India out trying to many of whenever I'm with people smart city doesn't means it has to be smarter technology can be smart people means modern only do that so well yeah I do that in a lot of points from him and fortunately in lack of time I could not meet him in person I met yesterday morning I have I should maintenance so let's you need place so I just wonder figure this idea and see what they are doing many in the islands
so I think there's a lot of initiatives around sort of smartness and connectedness and you know data is the future of everything but I sometimes feel there isn't enough of the critical conversation about what is actually mean and this is a good moment to kind of shout out the sort of academics and researchers and technologists were working in these issues so that the Center for Internet and Society in Bangalore also larger force announce are
government ID body and that of the how formed the center of excellence in India and that's in that space between 2 and that's in Bangalore and so it's kind of a 10 thousand square feet of ETL that all the giant bodies like the you name it they haven't played into this a school IBM they all coming in and that's edible out there and so it's kind of a hardware software land and that the start of something the are given that opportunity they can come in and test in the vault whatever product they're making and they're getting a huge amount of mentoring from the industry explodes and all that so that's kind of initiative which is being taken so I am on lake after I call back there that also BI COE IOT coming up in the job so we hadn't dealt with that we are a coded in that and so these are the kind of bodies that we are also working and handle as I mentioned that through alarms being 1 of the pioneers in India we actually a lot of opportunities from people because the know by I mean Sandell used so we answer walking into different pockets of IOT so I'm
not I would say that you know the Germans uh well looking to work in India and connecting with India has a moment as there but also in terms of transfers of a lot of ideas I think it would be fantastic if there's actually leverage in terms of regulations because it would be interesting to actually see the same companies that are working globally and transnationally there's certain restrictions on local legal issues around protect you know security privacy and implementation of I T so that don't have to be you know sort of implemented in India because you know the sort of regulation of the infrastructure the government is like this is not an issue as so if something is implementable in 1 country in context why isn't it in another and so I would think that you know it's for industry to actually work together
with a civil society in us young'uns acknowledges the kind of have more of these issues and place I think we're probably out of time so
do we get 5 minutes more uh because we started 5 minutes later must um I guess we could ask if anyone has any questions and if not I still have 1 but you have to show phase I think there's a my coming to I think I may need to record it for the recording itself and the hi and I'm and tracks from right for the World Cup I the
question concerning what you what he said my about the and the concern to have about the biometric system because just a few weeks
ago and I met and another round of meetings just very shortly and activist from india who told me that the system actually doesn't belong to an Indian company that are that the company use of maintaining it is based in the you ask says under you as long so meaning of the I and all the others have direct access to it if they want to the data of them onto plastic that has already been the leakage of data of climate so this is what is 1 to have your opinion on that because you know that was very is concerned I think that there
in any case if the FBI wanted any information from the Indian government I think that you that you would need a biometric database for that we've seen that in the last few years so I think that there would definitely be very easy kind of rollovers on on that kind of thing but I'm sure that there's a lot of you know the sort of collaboration in terms of access and I don't think this is actually new to me but my colleague is telling me that you know that is the case that actually this jurisdiction in the US which is which is strange to me but I I don't know the details of other worry don't buy never you worked on it and I kind of needed as a technologist and kind of you know heavily concerned citizen but I think the issue of the leakage is definitely there and I think people have pointed to this but again as I was saying about nominal Nilekani said yes we need robust infrastructures we need laws to kind of govern the fact that there will be security breaches in there are security breaches happening all over the place of the lord he's also sort according to that but I think the issue is that's not being articulated is that of we have the country of their country of such disparities in sort of active persecution all marginalized communities and minorities and just this huge database so you know everybody with a certain kind of name for example you know being on the database is is is really worrying that the conversation that's not happening but I think the issues of privacy and security as sort of a very well known and everybody was involved in the system is talking about it and and the need for it but again on the right is the possible that
it's it's definitely all concerns so it's not something that all people are not aware of the DoD election OK let's leave it it's not something that sort of but then
I'll get succumbing to either an understandable paying which we are as Lake Indian government is trying to make it like you know 1 sort of 1 kind of identification method and that that he actually can trace and even opposing living in far beyond the mind as in India so it's kind of like when i see i things some then it's a gain of coming back to the other and that's because when I see that I'm actually connecting to a Poisson always leaving somewhere out there and he doesn't know anything about this so my 1st concern becomes is how can I bring this boson into my
all system and also really long consented without living in the back of beyond sounds like getting into the data now and so and we saw it it's it's kind of like India is a
country with the 28 states and 7 union territories so you can understand the kind of diversity the goal to everyday but then 400 of genomic you change your language a change accusing changes by then it changes everything so it's it's kind of I mean you know the and I think we have to and that there I'm sorry but I'm very beginning
indications that we need to move on to the next 1 yeah OK so we can 2 of the took at some of it OK thank you very much for the sorry this is a list of abbreviated but thanks so much sushi thank you thank you all the best and I hope maybe we continue this comes just mentioned that handle value from you or anyone if you want to take on on website the log into that identical what alternations and things we are doing it would be greater than interview thank you might be there
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