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Is Freedom the most expensive word? A journey to North Korea

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something else so you will see people walking around doing normal things and that this is the thing that we would like to talk about about a familiar sight of North Korean about the things that are not usually been presented seen in the mainstream media as we're of course so uh especially the last couple of months so used to seeing the these uh clear Fred uh torches will log of the concentration camps and all the words of better fit to to go with this country not concerning the other side of it of course as every society Korea has its own complexities and basically air with you are discussing easy you add like we owning the rest of the things that we are going to talk about you at least can watch as something that you will never see mainstream media and I think that the 87 it isn't this is when that we are preparing the talk and obviously I would nationalities in our own realities came into into play a wider very what freedom means and what what's happening of Korea because and 1 of the themes that we discussed this call and people think that that it is so old that we are shown about North Korea a 2nd of of this format exceed the balance reality and it remind me my 1st visit to Cuba about when I was a little girl and how and my grandma was convinced that everything that you I was shown and everything all the wonderful things that my parents and me were talking about the war cares about the school so that it's again factories with everything it was just for the tourists and now it's it's it was very actually similar to my experience and of Korea and solve the reality is that we have been experiencing while we were there but that were not the reality is that we're used to seeing that the people from my group that were most mostly western tourists of perceived as some kind of take realities is a like it is completely impossible to have a normal people walking around smiling faces of so it was there because we were there on a very specific debate it was actually the national holiday that they have the sun but they have the perfect their President Kim Il Song and so all the people were on the streets and we were walking by and then we went to fill we were climbing the hill and at 1 point there was some old ladies in isolated they were of dancing in the traditional Korean dresses and they ask us to come and dance with them which we of course there then we that for a while and after a couple of minutes we left and I heard that my uh my friends from the group that we're actually getting from Germany talking there about uh the grandmother is that the old ladies being good completely fake and they said that you see how they put those the people ladies there and I was like why why would they do that why would those be normal just ladies so you know experience their national holiday no no no it's completely fake it's fake as the subway when we were in the subway there's some take time use there and then I thought OK so is it possible that there really thinking that the whole nation and of course there are tourists all the time in North Korea the Russian and Chinese and of course Western is going to have this instruments show made for us the western i to see and perceive so that we can see that they are living a normal life and that is the way that these images that we see all they are actually deeply political and they actually deeply have to do with our political and social context that we are coming from and it is a very hegemonic point of view which which happened to me also as I come from a country I come from Serbia it's sexy the floor country and of course after that uh that uh on the dissolution of Yugoslavia and the Socialist project and the wars in Bosnia knew should it and everything that we experience 10 years the very heavy sanctions and after these 10 years in the beginning of the 2000 so that we have a very similar experience explaining all the people in the western world that we're not killers that were completely normal people that we come from a country that has a lot of stuff to offer and also we had in way uh just 1 way of getting out of this sort of getting the liberated from this and that's liberal liberation was actually the liberation by a liberal democracy project which we are living now is 1 of the poorest countries in Europe and and that that you mentioned I remember when you came back Evan agree at the same time an American friend of ours was just back from North Korea and how the personal experiences also addictive use on updates are shaped by our own background because they're my academic all legalese some amazing you will not believe it was if you say K 0 and back in Yugoslavia and and American I was the only goal of a survived my tree from node look a to node Korea he was he was he was horrible for not that he was horrible we were elected watch all the time we left on all the time he and these called to the
stand there and everywhere you we see that goal of that day at their Posterous as of the dynasty and you you cannot all my good you that you cannot do anything without the state knowing sounds familiar yet it's completely sound familiar and also when we talk about of this kind of uh and you can see visible and the invisible surveillance of course when you're not Korea you have the guys they're all of 3 guys that are always would you you can't leave the hotel without them you go into 1 3 lines like you're in you know elementary school and you have to completely be there the things they say and you are in the way in the very 1st revealed the state of mind but then and when we compare this kind of surveillance of this the visible kind of surveillance to the invisible kind of surveillance that we have in today's world and then we can go back to the field they live a them you know was film from the deities there's a film where we have the visible and invisible ideology word at 1 hand you have the uh visible you know ideology where you know when the North Korea you have billboards all around saying I don't know we live in the best country in the world kill America and whatever it says in the billboards annual costs so as you see you have to know the leaders all around and then you have and the more they you have this perfect free democratic world with all the other billboards we have the all around and also all the other stuff that's happening in our day to day basis but when you put the glasses on like in the movies you actually see the world black and white and accept the and then on to place where the shiny billboards are you see the messages like obey your consumer Mary reproduce obey the system don't tell into the system and all of us have that in the we create our minds to be in a different kind of surveillance states that were living and he's a he's somehow you know that they have the cult of personality we have difficult to capital and and all our surroundings is created and if you if you dare to challenge is called that in our society today we have 2 capital and mean that it is almost the if you that there are 2 feet of alternative economy models and now we have many examples of dissidents and people who have dared to challenge at the system you crush as the same way as the day after the day Negri a challenge the leader there crushed somehow have and I but some somehow and these sets so essentially interesting how and yeah at these the and way AA remember where is of example of Sweden you know again we have no other way to fulfill contracts and to it be able to enforce contracts in in in all the democracies today and that this history it's really really really funny own own own what happened to the board postings it what Sweden Bobo cities mobile speed is not created will you can't yeah actually it's a story about doing business with North Korea which is not such a good idea because the Swedes try doing give uh and realize that in the hard way but also in the eighties when Sweden uh game the kinetic relations with North Korea they actually told them OK now we're going to give you as a present the well kind of a presence of 5 thousand Volvo's that you can pay off after 2 years and is good to have great credit rates and that you'll be really satisfied then the North Korea said no problem they took the 5 thousand Volvos and after 2 years the swedes were like OK so where are you going to start paying for the whole loss and the North Koreans were like what all those and they said to them all those we gave you the 5 thousand ball this that we don't know what you're talking about the Vols actually or on the streets of North Korea they still driving you can see them actually they're 1 of the few cars there and I was preparing this that we realize that we have the same the same deal with the ball was recovered our politicians to that you know we've about that you really feel the boats that they promise global they promises that they would pay the boat was in petitions promise that they will believe our house character from politicians promise that they will take care of the environment but additions promised many many many things that he had left like this eats evident will situation we that we see the politicians there there and the promises jussive operate as as they had and and and that's in a way reminds me of the freedom of choice story because the in today's world in today's modern democratic society as we like to call it we have a lot of choices of course we have a choice to do what we want which have a choice to use the internet and the way we want we have a choice of 2 by what we want to travel all the choices that of the North Koreans actually don't have but then I at the end the 2 we have a choice to change the society we live in which would be in the way the freedom that we're looking for that we can really change things that are crucial to our system so uh that is the choice we don't have and there uh that is the border of or freedom actually today which I think is a big problem out when comparing this the fan and then and then we go to the issue of liberation because of an
old that we read in the newspapers is that these people begging free variation and they want to be very the from these variables if they there and they want to get out of the system that's where the adult and we have very little chance to well we do not know what the answer is but that we have directly export examples of how liberations and that's how the liberation of the ended up how the liberation of Iraq and up Afghanistan and many and and you have a concrete example that of Yugoslavia what happened there yes and we also there is 1 interesting thing again and that is that North Korea has always been presented as a country of for what it lacks so we always think of Mercury OK it lacks life like when you see satellite imagery of North Korea you see a mysterious black hole you know well above the South Korean between China then if you if they don't they lack cars they like advertising they like the internet so they lack of lack a lot of things but then that we never think what do we lack and they actually do have have and that is a free education free housing go free health care they actually have a non GMO for would they don't have advertising you don't have this you know uh consumption mania that we have in the western world and at the other hand of course which looked you and said the liberating process which we had been in Serbia was only went 1 way so there was no chance to keep any of the good things we have from socialism during Yugoslavia we have to sacrifice all that and just go into a very very straightforward the privatization process with the privatization of death is going on with the all our public institutions and which happened to all of the countries that were liberated then you gave a good example with Libya and and going back to the hearer know American shearing agree and
1 of the things that we were discussing values of uh western decease that these attitudes of the the the person coming from you get this horrible terrible place I mean they risk their lives doing tourism enough starts itself 7 days in Korea and these cannot of the um pretending I let the pretension on the Western view of of this country and now look at these these people who all and had I mean how how much can you get to know our culture that you don't speak the language and I'm a place that you really do not understand because it really operates at Nissan rules and the country they just 7 thanks yes it's completely impossible and talking about North Korea which happens all the time like lots of all the photographers a lot of general go to love Korean and they say now we will reveal the real more Korea now you will see what you have never seen before and actually these people's that reveal these things from the country which are mostly full those we've seen a hundred times the and the very similar images but they're actually called the Urals sold heroic moment that we have people getting out information from the country which appear very often is 1 very uh asteroid moments of getting out of getting this information out and on the other side but we have uh that the the thing of heroes that really reveal some important information that have to do it has to do with the problems of our society which we actually know about because we live in it there of course called criminals they're called traders they're kept in a detention they're kept the out of the country or their imprisoned so we can look at the situation in our in our own
backyard and 2 legible Allissa describes non-state agents got journalist described whistleblowers crushingly with facing that long sentences adjust Disney's and still from all activities in society and that increase the
acid due to it on another thing in in let's see very now Korea OK let's let's what about taking a look at what happens with the people who manage to escape and that's very very very it that's the way we very people in in the system that we need to take the and yes and well and what happened to them yet well we of course the a lot of the factors that giving uh and talk shows the and talking about their terrible experience in North Korea which probably some of that really happened in North Korea but the thing is that we never see the factors that of course they have to leave at the border from China and then mostly people to South Korea and they end up in our center called the Hannibal center of where they're actually being good uh in the way he talks to be proper of citizens of South Korea uh they are they have to forget that there are other things there you still in North Korea they have to adapt to this new system and the most of them are treated as potential spies and not most of them but a lot of them I think and 100 % of them are probably of treated as 2nd rate citizens that uh you know I have a very heavy economical problems uh and not and they're not to the a proper way which what we see is also happening of course with the refugee crisis aware on paper we we are helping good the people but then we see the position they are in in most cases where the borders and to the the terrible refugees camps and of all the other stories that we know happened today so at the end what happens in agree a step a western democracies uses it as a tool food that all the bad things that in 1 now all the demonization E 1 0 0 0 of a country that they cannot be controlled and and something that I mean where we were discussing the instead and the power of the managers underbelly of images that uh that capture and push out on us constantly on what the and what is permissible and what is less than what this called then what is x the Indies images because of course is that in a way you can always the in include the things that the the story you want to tell a soul of the images are not just images that by
themselves but they also talk about the story of the person that is taking this image and in a way you're putting some kind of textual content stay in in this specific image and how ideology works in that yes have and how ideologies and at the end works yes and and going again and so on in well it seems that every haven't checklists and that checklists is that the 2 views that if you fulfill all these requirements and if you if you have a free market economy if you have free press so-called press you have an and not restrictions on foreign capital if you have some paper human rights standards you have a Indios and there at right right at operate and leave you view army collaborates with other armies and you Dallas Service collaborates with other intelligence services you can get away with tortured you can get away with uh you can get away with so many things that dual country as long as you go is that this will never be a under scrutiny and we have seen that I mean we have seen that in talking we have seen that in Brazil we have seen that doing we have seen that thing that I even in Croatia and Serbia reality is the area would have seen leading EEG we have seen so many places and and it seems that only when the situation it's really really really convenient as borders checklists that we uh the media to them Aston agree and no yes and actions yeah and then now we always have this projection of the repressive practices media there and that is the way that we work so we live in a very paranoid society where we had this enemy that is somewhere outside and this enemy is somewhere far and we are not this enemy of so that there was this the great centers the value of a modern dollar offer a philosopher who said that in the during the nineties that Balkan is the unconscious of Europe and so of in the way to the north Korea can be some kind of an unconscious of the western world uh so by projecting these repressive practices as the of blogs the tortures the of surveillance the detentions the at the on freedoms all the freedoms we have Korea we can actually but in no way see also a reflection of ourselves and so what you were talking about challenging going you kind of democracy we should maybe instead of thinking gold this is terrible uh this terrible Russia uh this terrible trumpet terrible somebody else's tomorrow will build terrible North Korea we should think of bad things that are happening here and there things that we are aware of and that we are actually not doing anything uh or we're doing too little to change it and why are we doing little because we're in a position what I
thank you so much no I'm not saying that we're not no no no I'm not saying that we're not I'm just saying that all clear continuing with these it is this is the point is the scope is tedious and he's not a bond Riis about the reflections on the quantity that we do not know at the re not buried in about no 1 knows that much about it and all the images and other things presented then
we always know about our own countries and that is the Tanglewood with that we should I'm not saying that we're not doing nothing and I think that but this kind of a conference shows the should open a different kind of topics and challenge the mainstream point of view if you're used to hearing go maybe projections of of other stuff but what what When the random take the microphone and and basically analyze of privileges and also analyze and and evaluate how our
freedoms have been restricted yet yeah of you have some sort of controversy you in here and this thanks for maybe except some because each from your audience that most of the I will have do that love of
notice the concept of a group can I have I I'm sorry I normally I wouldn't wouldn't bashed presenters who presented before I presented my work but sorry I couldn't really standard what you're talking about especially taking the taking the history of East and West Germany of course there's a lot to complain about in our systems as well and yet we're here complaining how many journalists in North Korea have you talked about and that the situation the report on the base no way you had an open discussion like this complaining about the system there I try it with my with my friends from Syria I tried to explain them well that I went and have a look at and OK here you could go on and on the streets here in the Yale mechanism bullshit which you might be called route but you wouldn't be was arrested and sent to look for the try that in other countries tried and Syria wouldn't work that's a good I think that's a good test how yeah are actually talking about that as long
as you're not really changing the system you can really say whatever you want about the system I know you may be satisfied with the system you live and but there are people there like 10 and I also want freedom of choice I think if we know that but the thing is that
that the but the thing is we can change the system here and that's part of democracy we don't like the way the system goes because the decision is made by all of us and maybe some people vote 5 days and they change the system in their way that is part of democracy we can change the system but I don't like the system either but I wouldn't be able to complain about the fact that people would want do OK and we'll have to and we know that you last and there's an increase by about the chalices and democracy and whether they have
read every centre destiny many more questions or problems but was there are questions here and I
think he was the 1st woman you presented some yeah sure I come from Afghanistan and I have been through all this western Bush's I know in no way way way that was the count is doing this to us for 15 years the war and nobody even with their wives as long as the water industry is going on as long as there is the checklist that the presented doing all that you want CDA deviate everywhere because they're looking for but would not what reason prospered um yeah and there was a yeah gentlemen in the 1st row that 1 thank you all for your that and I think this is a really good piece here and because the key method typing away is you want to make is aware of all blind spots and you I think brilliantly demonstrated you all blind spots I have not seen the same image of a ruling area in North Korea I haven't seen a single image of India poverty which is there and so you are absolutely right in this selection of the images you will already be a political statement and I think is the neuron effort to create an equi distance the yesterday we actually you goal in I think a good direction again to make is that we have the blind spot which I have which you ahead but by making an effort distance you miss the point because the other we lose then what do you mean losing because the I get crushed there and I get crushed here it's along the line you don't get in the same way across if you criticize models you will get Rustam were sold I think you open it always making a wonderful all but the full of good conversation by demonstrating how things or usually misleading figure had had 1 last thank you for your gherkins I live in so it's useful for use of facilities to integrate relations on I think you presented very much to North Korean perspective on this in order to do it is through the use of this work not positive or negative I think this is out there and there is a propaganda war warm going in our picture of North Korea is very small but at the same time also North Korea perspective is not correct but it might be true that what you socially barrier almost a demoted harping on about their perspective but we don't know what you think that the system is normal sort of nuclear weapons the her normal but also other people as places of almost and so are the prison camps normal it is normal that they realize novel that it there's and down book I think this is not thinking of something strange but it is about the threat of North Korea poses to the art world that is a problem and what about the other world is called the and I absolutely agree with this and this is this was a strong obligation on on on
on the thinking of a thinking on what would we pushed to uh decide on other people's destiny and that's the responsibilities that come with it and I mean it we might not shared there I mean we absolutely no shared the same idea an ideology and that can be our interpretation of the things that we see we do we do with the thing is that there is no I mean we bias of course and and in the end it was more a description on how the Russian of our freedoms is there is here is there anything guys and I have not created extreme is absolutely this 3 and at Weill preparing this start something that I observed is that now we see as book that was spaces of resistance and our spaces of it that the senses the dissenting states have shrink so much that we it seems that it we a struggling to see and the as the not the models of course this is not ultimately what we want to look at that that thing is that that the system keeps pushing and saying there is an alternative and they there is certain that these and we shouldn't trust completely uh the 1 system board for that the older systems that we did believe that practically and not the same but in a way that the role of the right so what I'm trying to say is that in no way this was an apology of what I mean I get completely ignorant of what's going on there but I am very very well aware is that in my country 5 thousand people died a year because of starvation and no and no 1 sees a lot because of the checklist so concerning the time
you lots of questions What about this what about that I'm proposing to and this year in um I'm quite sure that a lot of your questions for them of the I think we can do this but that it would be unfair to the next speaker of as well so uh European that you can that we will be 1 of your neurons and on think you know which
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Titel Is Freedom the most expensive word? A journey to North Korea
Serientitel re:publica 2017
Teil 108
Anzahl der Teile 235
Autor Avila, Renata
Pelevic, Maja
Lizenz CC-Namensnennung - Weitergabe unter gleichen Bedingungen 3.0 Deutschland:
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DOI 10.5446/32992
Herausgeber re:publica
Erscheinungsjahr 2017
Sprache Englisch

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Abstract Whereas contemporary states, societies and citizens are said to be interconnected and interdependent as never before in human history, North Korea appears as a sui generis void in international relations; a place beyond the realm of comprehension, being neither a part of our world nor of our era (…). The visuality of showing a dark North Korea serves as a discursive marker of difference. It helps to establish particular binary relations that distinguish, for instance between freedom / oppression, wealth / poverty, development / decline, and hope / despair.” The performative discussion on Freedom will take the audience on a journey through North Korea, through an interactive, multi media...

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