The Maker Movement: Innovating Traditional Crafts or Colonizing Artisans?

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Based on the research and collaboration experiences of the panelists, it seems that in developed countries traditional handicraft and maker cultures are complimenting each other to breath new life and innovation into established traditions. However, in developing countries this seems to be different: Although informal sector activities often overlap with do-it-yourself culture, many “Maker” initiatives have ignored existing grassroots innovators. Gesche Joost, Anna Waldman-Brown and Juliet Wanyiri will discuss what can be learned from working collaborations and how in future makers and artisans can better collaborate.
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I gave lot from the introduction we will have its as a not a moderated dialog but we will talk about our different expertises and we want some pictures from our different backgrounds and we thought about starting about introducing all work a bit and talking about how expertise is maybe you wanna start sure that and you have everyone time and and who here has heard of FabLabs by great most everyone but for a couple of you in the back and they are like public libraries that contain all of the tools you need to make almost anything so we have about 530 FabLabs across more than 70 different countries internationally so I work with the Global FabLab network I and I have also been a researcher in the informal sector and which basically means people who hang out often by the side of the road tracking things together and putting together a makeshift Leopold's building public transportation out of on copies car parts that are sold as scrap from places like Germany to West Africa and and people generally don't have time to traditional manufacturing industries so the informal sector is around 75 per cent of people in across the African continent and about two-thirds of folks in Latin America and between happened two-thirds across Asia as well but very very small portion of votes in Europe and in the US practically negligent because everyone has to have an officially registered business and if your packing a car together you probably need a license and you have regular safety checks and you can't just ride the policemen to keep your cobbled together thing on the road so I'll be talking a bit about the interaction between these votes by the side of the road happened things and making on stars in India weaving traditional textiles and everything from back to agricultural machines and and public transportation have vieron and my name is to get 1 year as a research mention from Kenya and Aaron from the which some is a set up that runs collaborative hardware product design workshops and this was inspired by a summit I did on called international development Design Summit and basically brings together people from different parts of the world different ages different backgrounds and they spent 1 month you must know community in the collaborative design a solution that that targets a challenge the face and this is something that I feel is very close to and to hold where people generally have things and fix the and then actually the name for the means tinkerer because the white Meeker isn't really something you'd use in in Kenya if you have your own TV broken you take it to 4 if you Kaiser then you go to a phony only if your paper is leaking you go off when the those discrete sense to credit for an because it something people would you need to out but the overriding idea is to get people out more constantly making puts people Lavena that background who don't have access to our labs and and species that that afford them only you the opportunity to CNC machines of but we can be localized and tap into the arm us and white of informal sector that mentioned and so generally if you walk or drive to most African countries you find people on the side of the road of selling things that we have need right that if they don't have like kind of at a factory where they meet stuff and have a store the the make it at the side of the road as you go and so this is culture of sharing of these and entering the species are involved hundreds of people so that if 1 if the then use this that you stole for these new
new album technology that's that's I'm saying more than more people will make its arms so reason that incentive of Majesty gene design and hardware but adding that you haven't opinion should that makes it all makes sense in make it makes it scalable and sustainable over time when I come from a very different background so this is what we're seeing here from a technology point of view and from a research perspective and it's for me it's very interesting that how we met and where we met at a level of tools at the level may be of a kind of ethical codes and at the level of the power of the maker movement what you see here is you may be familiar to some of you that's the adrenal pattern open-source hardware you weave it into a textile with conductive and then it uses to to communicate with him all by phone and this is the basic set up for many well was that we have knitting and weaving and stitching in the Design Research Lab at the University of the Arts and this is a basic piece of technology that we are Hughes for exploring very different kinds of interactive clothing and examples I have some images here for example this is and admit allow jacket that we well knitting together with stroke patients and strength stroke patients told us they wanna live on their own at home also until they are they they reached a certain age and they it wanna have a kind of support supportive functionality County they are having a kind of a big red alarm button that they can use in case of emergency if they need help but you know it's the ugly it's a big red thing and it says you know are you and me you know you're really old you need this alarm things and so they don't wear it so it doesn't make sense it's quite useless and so we were on developing this and it's a lot of things and it's a jacket with some we're using this connective threat and if you need help you just have to you know to this leave for example or make this gesture here and then the chip and uses a Bluetooth 2 on the call for emergency took cook to call relative for example and to also send your GPS localisation a data and the an AP on the smartphone so this is a very hands on an example that we where knitting and as you see on the picture is also it's and most of all of the yeah research faculty is uh of women so we not calling them their hacker ladies so they're really knitting and weaving and and integrating this and this senses the open-source hardware to come up with solutions 5 at the life problems and and what I'm very interested in is when ratifying these kinds of textiles and business and mostly can the rate of the and blankets and that we were developing and this is so much inspired by the whole network of the maker movement was why so it's not just invented within the university but the the open source community shares the knowledge about how to do this kind of integration of of of smart systems smart materials for example this the the open-source hardware is 1 of the basic sources that we need to come up with with those new ideas of how technology can be used and this is for us a new way of researching not just inside the university and I also as a professor I don't teach them how to do this not at all but I just create a framework I just invite different kinds of people we have a nice space that kind of public space and this is where the work is done and so it they are much more so all of our research is a much more connected to international networks of makers and off also people from the so informal sectors of not just researchers as really you know tinkerers makers uh and all over the world and then to a kind of academic uh real scientific community and this is what what makes a difference for me and for all work every great as his he he also kind of a and open source onto the template application for the iPad way could just track and drop functionalities and create your own fr a steering out use the wearable devices that we did so you can just create your own et to use them to edge different functionalities to your wearable devices so open source of the maker movement inspires research very very much and 7 my question is how how can we learn from this make a community and how does that make a community relates to craftmanship we were discussing before what is craftmanship today is this craft is this high take is this research are what is
it so maybe yeah you can also share experience with yeah definitely so 1 1 thing that struck me about FabLabs there is and a lot of maker spaces as well but there is investment in Iceland and that FabLab was supported soon after the economic crisis that in 2008 to try and bring the whole bunch of new jobs to Iceland and create a whole host of creative industries whereas you had an entire generation that went into finance I'm whose grandparents were more or less all fishermen and sheep farmers and so once the finance bubble completely part what you do afterward and then it was funny is it you get the same set of machines because there's 1 i've you have a laser cutters and circuitry a bunch of things like hardly knows Raspberry Pi is on electronic components you get a vinyl cutter you get a 3 D printer over the background there are no good know are a CNC routing machine fur designing things on a computer and cutting those out and would operate in and that'll and this allows you to make pretty much anything and so you don't need a lab to look different between somewhere like under god which has on traditionally in the drawing India they have a whole host of traditional crafts and and now they're also starting to look toward the start-up scene and banking and how do we create the next Silicon Valley so a couple months ago they invited lots of a bird and a bunch of Silicon Valley CEO's that can have a huge conference on how to support the start-up scene in India but the fact is that
most of the informal sector workshops are kind of like this I'm you walk in and it's a complete mess all over the place sorry about copepods jerry cans the seat covers those your lights and so this is where you go instead of SPoC 5 in Ghana or in India to get all of the components so this is a fundamental cultural disconnect that field between having a really neat neatly laid out lad and where everything is designed on the computer and you keep your fingernails clean so it appeals really to the people who were aspiring to words nice air-conditioned offices rather than the folks you're happy getting their hands dirty acting together car parts and if they the there if look at the situation in Kenya days on the industrial you'd find most of the factories but just kilometers where you find the chalk highly jerkily on open-air artists and so these are metalwork work and we have this expenses these so all work together and they in from looking at how you describe the FabLab it's pretty much the see tablets the woodwork these the electronic states the metals these fabrications these insulating create leads on to the next question of what is the makers these does it have to be in a in a in a an enclosed arm warehouse can it open tenets of evolve over time does it have to have a specific set of materials or around to the need to work on um the PD several projects thought that predicts that each in a certain direction of and so it would love to hear your experiences that in in use in some way and I also when we're talking about this what is craftmanship today in is a kind of rediscovery what's the relationship between this new maker movement craftmanship in power in Germany and Europe I have the impression that it's a kind of rediscovery of traditional techniques and their and the reinvention of for example we've been knitting and so on and we have a tradition of uh the uh do-it-yourself movement and I remember also unlike from this and seventies and eighties that meeting was a very political activity and it is uh getting that again so it's also kind of a gender issue you know which words when no women where admitting and to using new now a today also forget the undertakings of a kind of expression of maybe also female technique and as a form of protest statement or whatever and now it comes into a different context of some of the creating their own view on technology and meeting their own view on technology this is I guess a new kind of symbiosis that I very much like because it's so it is addressing the agenda question in and and technology in a very good way because of their own kind of of Paul and technique to to create different different technologies and term also wonder what you know when you have this assembly woman there was the role of of women and in your examples of from expert experiences is different isn't yet but the I I love you but there are doing a lily pad out their earlier so I was working in the of the police lab was the inventor of EDTA on their machine washable and so all electronic components so you can so little LED is or that 1 that you had earlier the little round thing with and loops the holes around the edges on is an Arduino board and the inventor of this whole set of conductive electronics and were wearable electronics was looking at how do you get engage more girls in circuitry and circuit design is traditionally and you go look at what are the electronics the it's like well let's make a robot and you can shoot people with the about lasers and which tends to attract more boys than girls you have maybe more patients to sit around knitting and sewing in having crafts crappy things and and so we knew we knew that that you have a whole the internationally of all of these women who are working in more traditional artisanal craft and often around textiles who tend to work in a really really intensive ways like this this year is made from recycled sorry distance from Rajasthan and each stitch here is hand done and I'm wondering node has a lot of the younger generation of women don't really have the patience to sit down and hand stitch every single detail here and so you go to the Textile Museum in undivided which link has 1 of the world's largest collections of his newly exquisitely done artisanal textiles and the 2 were the tour guide will stop periodically in every couple of pieces she'll say this technique is there's been forgotten the word no 1 knows how to make sorry is like this anymore and because the younger generation you wanna get rich you want to have something have a better quality of life and even the parents are encouraging kids you don't want you know do this traditional craft anymore you're gonna want to go into the on something like software so here's what you think about the disconnect there and can you bridge that gap and not lose all of these traditional handicrafts while you're bringing in the electronic and the new generation well and think it depends on how you approach it and many and I think money's at a big topic think having money is the there that could thing just are not happening to the destruction so I think lead is being more of a relief of getting people more in 2 of the maker movement but I think the approach is very software-driven um and could the noise all these other traditional half that I'm and so I think what needs to be there is our they put up approach I think a woman like the 1 in the picture should be involved in setting up a species because she's like very aware of what materials will need what people want to make the most of what stuff needs to be hurt the most end and that's just the 1 you really mean tenido this culture that we have anything technology has a huge rule to clean up in in piece of in that piece of our heritage maybe the things those 2 components together of these kind of forgotten the craft man techniques and a kind of a new on high tech uh well below fashion an area maybe this is a very interesting approach so it has so to kind of rediscover craftmanship is not a kind of archaeological and uh endeavor but it's more a kind of uh reinvention and some a different kind of usage and utilization of these kind of techniques and maybe this is also a man opportunity to really understand the power of those of those techniques and of this knowledge about craftsmanship and I wonder where they also the and the idea of open source can leverage these ideas and provide the knowledge about those kind of forgotten that techniques and I'm sure that there are tons of projects all there in the Internet tried to come give access to this kind of may be forgotten knowledge about adhesion craftmanship about those techniques and the
I have found that it I give you hang out in this cluster here this is called slimy magazine in gonna and it's probably the world's largest collection of an informal by industrial artisans it's also called and uh the industrial industrial slum by some of the development focus on but they would call themselves the informal sector meaning you know they they they make things the way they want to make that no 1 really tells them otherwise have if if you look at intellectual property rights across groups like this there's a study done in 1 of these clusters in Kenya where they found that you had 1 maybe 2 months at most of having come up with some innovative new technology before all of your neighbors were copy of and in fact the local trade union would encourage people to share ideas idea maybe you can make a little more money during the 1st month but then if you don't start sharing with your neighbors had to do it you're going to get in trouble from this Workers Union and so there is there is an appreciation of open source that having any idea what pays for being part of the global open source with yesterday the discussion also whether patenting is kind of the year 2000 is and not all nineties of something or whether it would be a future patenting in minimize development at all or whether Open Source ecology is much faster you know much more agile and the the big thing for for the future of I don't know the when I was also wondering and before we briefly cast about the term of developing technologies developing countries developing whatever and and the were just also briefly mentioning out all is is this idea of colonialization uh in this template movement also kind of presence so what is this is this the kind of export of the capillary idea to other countries it what is the relationship there is that kind of a political dimension in this because when we see this kind of tradition also maybe this is very strong and very good and and it should be you know kind of all the pooled them to to a specific framework with the thing will actually think that 2 ways of looking at it up and then the people that and a narrative was strongly on the site that it's more that trade noise were very colonialists and we only continue you really keen what people adding on the ground on in Kenya is the government is trying to set up a text city and it's called kwanza city and so it's our mn the silicon Savannah sequence honor it amino if you've been having full here and of their human OK so that I have is beginning to read this text cities that intersect that 2 kilometres out of Mehrabian it's on the main highway which if you lived there at least the next 3 hours and traffic it's it's very of logical height set up so I think things should grow organically and it's important to understand how all of the good of any kind in the past and the and therefore it should be how to study rather than how to compute the army put that aside instead something separate and um mean to add on to that I think that knowing you could that in terms of the the informal sector the kind he'd employs over 75 per cent of young people in Africa and the think of what it's 60 % of Africa 1 billion is under 35 there's a a lot of people ended up if you already taken into a video if you you would have impact you need to lose our technology on top of this the layout of tickets CD happening other is users build like a huge these that no 1 wants to go to so on the 19 sixties I believe soon after Ghana's independence and in the same city that hosts this amazing industrial cluster they decided to build up a mere technical institution for West Africa although climbing through my University of Science and Tech and this university was built maybe 5 or 6 kilometers down the road from here on and it's it actually takes about half an hour with current traffic to get from the university campus do this sprawling on industrial clusters that has it's about 100 thousand people working mostly on auto mechanics within the cluster and then another 100 thousand + working outside are mostly fixing cars and hacking cars together and and there the university was built here to try and celebrate look here is you know this is the backbone of manufacturing all these folks hacking vehicles and agricultural equipment right down the road but there was no connection and the university professors and university students 1 would rarely if ever go down to visit all of these informal artisans so you wander around on in the informal cluster and you ask them on you know what you think of the folks it can you and they'll say things like how they don't appreciate us they keep talking about how unsafe all of our vehicles are in blaming the all the accidents on as we have no formal engineering background but at the same time and not about how to formalize the sector and and you know bring new jobs that maybe use all the Fab Lab equipment which would actually displace a number of artisans because most Member illiterate about at least half probably 60 or 70 per cent but at the same time they say the university professors are bringing their broken lab equipment choose 1 magazines because the informal cluster knows how to repair everything and so instead of having having to back off into Germany on for repair parts that will take a couple months to arrive we'll just take this down to the informal cluster and say hey I need some little bit that looks like that makes up for me well that's also a question of like a bottom-up and top-down approach and I was also 1 doing what kind of the political class all of the industry should learn from the maker movement because what I also observe in Germany and in Europe is that many of the new thinking and the so called innovations come from this make the movement because they just and they are not so they're not specifically you know located at universities of just and make a space but they are everywhere here and there are some kind of a decentralized structures and they just made up and they are connected through the Internet and it's a German and then drop the dermal going to Isomap from South Africa and that means it's like I am who I am because of who you are so it's it's a term of really cooperation and mutual identity that doesn't particularly exist in English and other wonderful no but it's a wonderful term at this describes this kind of that work and what I have the impression here is that this new thinking also a new approach to technology is created there and this kind of uh and networks and that the the industry and also um like many politicians they uh overstate they don't see it so they don't understand the kind of also the the the pole of this of this movement and I think that's industry them might miss out also also economic opportunities when they neglect or ignore what is happening there because these kind of ideas of variable Paul full and they created a new kind of also power at to technology and how we want interact with technology what I very much like is and
maybe that's also something that we can discuss this their kind of really common yeah ethical cold or a kind of commonality in this idea of this maker movement that that's connects us and this it could this be also half and impressive for creating technology in future with a mind maybe a more societal approach may be with more inclusive approach maybe with an approach that giving X has to people and using technology making their own technology is a kind of human right maybe this could be something that's that we share well in 2nd year greedy there I think that the the rule the government or policy makers to be making right now is that building capacity of because it's in the informal sector but he has like a huge capacity in all these fields and on that when you reason that they suspect and tension between the 2 is because 1 is that 1 of higher more sophisticated technologies and the other 1 is more informal and if you can only make reach that got end include people who are already making to just learn about these other technologies and leaving it open for them to decide on which ones they wanna use our own which ones work better for them rather than having it as a more imposing kind of approach to its machine the maker movement in the I 1 of the challenges I think to this is 1 where the money is and what's being incentivized is the informal sector and people tend to try and avoid the taxes as much as possible and so and tax collectors come around Swami magazine the 1st workshop you know the workshop manager will go hide and sent his son out to you know be totally clueless and how the tax collector I'm sorry my dad's not around on and then in the mean and the dead back texting all of the other informal sector looks down the road on server and goes and high stress because it's so difficult to track down every individual workshop on and collect tax from all of that so you tend to see the government policies pretty much ignore all most of these informal sector artisans as hearing in Pakistan the that the rate of people who pay taxes around 2 or 3 per cent of the entire population and it's a lot of effort to go door to door and track all of these people that go find wherever the parents are hiding when they send their kids to the front of the shop and then and then you look at the development agenda as well which tends to be more of a government to government thing and so it's it's also like unless you're looking at stability in job growth and there's not as much of an incentive for the government like the US these say going into Ghana and supporting on international aid they're gonna wanna work with the government and they're gonna 1 they're going to have maybe their own agenda around agricultural on imports or I'm supporting new machinery for the oil companies and all of that is going to be on the formal sector to formal sector let level so I I I I haven't seen that many very successful campaigns that better incentivized to work with the informal artisans and it's still the case and of what is your prediction how long that the what phone is the technology you know to to grades in networks and is there also a kind of uh uh apply a policy towards giving more access to the fab labs that have for the strategy whatever to them to to to get people on board to have to give them access to to those kind of of technologies like this Is there anything planned but have to you see what would think like will you speculate today in her presentation of we this is very big but most users are using feature forms and really think that's an expensive can we to and disseminate information about I think how the government should be located right now is that they are currently assisting Kenya there a lot of arms they bind to a site where Internet cafes that are on aware big thing maybe in 2000 2000 2002 maybe 2005 but with the increase of smart wins out their use has gone as we lack of going over time so this creates an opportunity for people to use the infrastructure and and and a lot of computers RED greedy them to disseminate information on these are things that people bodies using and this could be greedy learning centers for people and constrain like the fact that fees advocated on breakthroughs Ruepp people are working and of living it it doesn't mean that they have to bring in a whole new shift in the technologies they could lose me the MicroLabs next OSA but the phase so that you don't have to be the struck what's going on there but have them grew over time of any kind my friend Moosh era in on the Sinai region in Egypt is doing in austin project to and bring a super localized do it yourself laser cutter and engraver it very low power 2nd cut fabric and paper and cardboard but not and then in grave wood and metal and to bring this to the informal artisans because they're all of these women who hang out you are meticulously cutting out pieces of fabric to make these gorgeous patchwork quilts and patchwork clothes and and by bringing a laser cutter to folks like these you on the their work can be a lot faster and they can create much more intricate patterns then they can cut out by hand and they can also start engraving things like I letter or you can even in laser engraving genes and you get this great lighter color patterns of going along your clothes and so the challenge here is then how do you figure out how to have brain that's essentially you can design to some folks who may be no hiding his feature phones but tends to not have any formal computer or literacy training and so they're working now on and for of trying to make it for feature phone so you can sketch something on paper and take a photo of that and up really easily turn that into either laser cutting laser engraving and somehow said that assigned to the laser cutter from just the 2 other into that and at the mentions that his account that's adaptable at time I think among other we're having that incremental change in the makeup having engaging people doing worried you building stuff anything things like CNC machines the the cutters should be built spike people in the maker movement of because generally words you're waiting for your parts to arrive at they iterate rate and so are our my of main reason audience but he works on building in the printers and I think more people should be building their own technologies because basically if if I can trust someone to repair my car I think it went including a printer for me it's a bigger deal so who there is no that would kill me any so what it means is that we should be looking at it as a opposed as bringing technologies and FabLabs amino setting them up it should be that we can build our mn all these machines that being median adopt them over time to our specific needs and environment and under the resources that are available and this is the 1 you really can have sustainable capacity-building if I build that my children event builder tools so they use in 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machine that I use it means that they're important to me and I can build other businesses on top of this the if we look into the future so watch what is needed at all what are the challenges that I would see that's our learning from these examples I kind of what this global maker movement should have a stronger voice and maybe also and that we ships and maybe also promote our underlying and ethical kind of code of conduct uh much more towards and agenda setting on a political level 2 wars also the industry and maybe towards also to claim a right for as you said building your own technology having access to technology and sharing the knowledge how to use it and how to rebuild it and and also seeing in these kinds of as the settings that we were talking about also as a power for women to create the old living on to to to make their own living using these kinds of technologies I think that there's some it started so kind of decentralized with kind of a little loop you know shops and a fab labs and stuff but I know there so many great examples of thing that through these different actors there's really a strong movement now that that's makes review of which is the creates change in every kind of different at different places in different countries but has a kind of all framework that just uh the was was built through doing so it was not a kind of intellectual working but it was really created a kind of hand crafted this kind of firms and code of conduct but we're talking about absolutely and it's crucial for I believe the makers and hackers an informal sector artisans themselves to define what we want the movement to be Iocked if you look at Make magazine which is sort of become the spokespeople further make affairs internationally and assembly of Eucli who designed the Lilly padded we know was that as uh look at all of the bonds that make magazine covers and found that it was around 90 % men on and it was all things like drones robot vehicles on 3 D printed guns and traditionally male toys and activities and and there's nothing you know from the votes in those all uncut Cajun for Americans and Europeans as well and so there is very little from the whole international world than a lot of this I believe is due to some of the corporate interests and coming into the maker in hacker movement worldwide who you know Intel and I all my lovely friends at ordered as we want to target people who were maybe already using our stars software our electronics I 3 printers and so it's difficult when things are so determined from that top down level now than ever and Scott onto the ions 8 guys that this is what the maker movement is about that we we need to come along and say well actually there there are a whole bunch of other folks who you might not consider considered makers in the American Maker Faire sense but who were equally as important in terms of democratizing technologies any like which is the 3rd I think that 2 other to the meek a magazine features was the things that are meet there are expensive the aiming point will have actually the have you build a drone pick 2 people have built the during and when you look at it the demographic of replicating the people people I but then if you're if you're trying to look at that and then test landscape meet in Nyeri don't to reports and drawings and cars the new VAD need other things that AT going on and so I think they days to make of they meet there making movements investigators and end to incorporate a lot of people who I might get the piece that period but being having much more impacts our overall then don't the ones you find in a meat like this 1 so open it up for questions so please engage us in discussion and debate everything I think you guys that was really really interesting and implemented stressor can mild starting out I make a space in Myanmar and I'm wondering I'm on the 1 hand I completely agree with you that open source is of you know the way forward but I II and looked at your uh how you think open source can be reconciled with our financial sustainability and profitability because especially for a for a new business owners are entrepreneurs coming out of the informal sector come up with something that's really innovative i and marketable and how can they had turn that into a sustainable long-term business if open source or a or informal source is that it is the standard practice it is a very good question and we're discussing it's a very often but if we turn the question around so which patenting and help any maybe it wouldn't you know maybe it's just a matter of it will be copied anyways and maybe it's really a question of speed and of course on the investment was so when you want to do is start up then you have to find investors that we make you will support you to grow old very fast because if not if you try to you know we have a goods or if you have a good idea and others just copy it and they find the right investors that it's it's really it's the best story and but I think that there some this this uh Open Source Ecology creates such a speed and such an innovation potential because so many people working on that and you can build together on the uh on their knowledge I guess that it has a big advantage all the competitive advantage compared to others I have elected to different challenges to on predicting your IP and the revert to sharing your IP and 1 of them are a folks in the informal sector and who are going to copy your idea if it's not you technically advanced and there is I 1 of the guys Mr. Crossman who runs a 1 of major space Innovation Institute of insomnia magazine in Ghana it was saying that he things so the worst barriers to innovation among the informal cluster there is the fact that everyone just gonna copy things so it doesn't make sense for individual inventors vector and that's some some people who said I'm not I have some brilliant new idea but I'm not going to share it with anybody because I need to wait for exactly the right moment to get it out there but in a way that my neighbours are not going to copy it immediately and so that takes resources the prototype something new it may not make financial sense an but it's going probably to be copied anyways and then on the other hand you've got the larger industries and traditional corporate sector who may be poaching open-source ideas which is why something like the Creative Commons non-commercial license is very important because then you can share your things and and your ideas and then also have some legal backing if someone's from the corporate sector steals that idea it makes billions on I also using grid
of comments so is this a bit of an international standard also that that's many use yes it is I don't know legally how robust this which is the challenge because if you do have some idea out there and some copy that and they have a bunch of lawyers and you don't have the financial means the lawyer up in the same way as we say in the US every love lawyers then have you you might be completely screwed even if you do you have your ideas license yeah and nice nice next talk initiator and and key period this clinic disclination this clinic that he had been the fact that they're labs and especially in specific countries on 1 side and in this talk I settled on the side so it's it's like an lead to think and then they have the so what are you guys even be afraid rules doing to make sure that this is not the case for example making sure that governments incorporate such thing would be the curriculum of schools because an an example in korea when I was growing up they used to be an ax and crafts less and they used to be on sense but these these kids don't have that sold basically there's nothing of all the the the only thing they have for making our 4 kids to well the they have leagalist and how much they that believe spent on that is opposed to peers and then for the kids who don't have much the steelmaking by the law to make things that are obtained most now it would likely be footballers from the from people's something or and make cards from from y as what are you guys doing to make sure that and especially for kids this is not the case 5 years old that cheerful note 10 years from now a 50 years from now see there was a disconnect and nothing was done the fact that it to the faster and so but I would agree net answers to open sister colleges which is very good entry point into our like working against that the disconnect the and the friction between these 2 areas and um would reduce you've been running workshops where they get people on how to build stuff but we've activates and technical institutes because they worried e-teaching making it but in a very traditional sense and I've been of intuition that open source and stuff you'd find on Instructables all of our content is from their MATT up and these article edges of the intestine tied in various parts of the world that have similar conditions so it's a good we have people seen what other will have need what can be needed need open for them to build up on this and you end up paying the working with these institutions in adapting their content so that its from less of just making here at the capital clock but of course it says it is making chairs and tables that's how do you work with your friends wedding curry pair and electronics but can you all work when together some and was a change to don't push the agenda that of if the school is looking to step up the equipment maybe they could get 1 since machine if it's relevant in the context of but making sure that these groups of people are not left behind or and lots of completely it but they are part of the Maker movement or the from the movement which company went out but yeah that's that's what I think we think it's a very relevant question with a FabLabs and the maker movement should be just for the digital elite I very much agree and and we also have a solid European level the question how do we teach the kids at school to you know how to use technology whether digital skills that they need and and so we agreed on the European level the so-called cold week so there's 1 week where all over in Europe in October when we have kids get for free you uh that education workshops on editor skills and also and expanded to a some African country countries already so it's really nice so it's just 1 week but it's a kick off it that say and so we also learned and in in Europe for a from a different countries Germany we not very well and equipped with a good strategy for digital skills at school so am we shift so that push it much more but for example in the UK in the Scandinavian countries in the Netherlands they have very good so approaches for example last year UK launched with BBC accompagné where all the school to tell children at the age of 7 they got a kind of an open-source hardware device to use in their schools of all programming and making integrating and sharing the and knowledge about it as old medication resources and this is a great example because you know every school kid at the age of 7 got 1 of these devices that's really something a good example where we should you know things maybe we can do this in other countries too data they that would Angelis in California in a rate of around the corner from Silicon Valley in the city of Oakland you have about 60 % internet penetration in the houses which is probably lower than places in Nairobi it when 1 thing I've been working on from the maker movement and is trying to facilitate conversations between folks like Instructables you have a giant amazing collection of how-to guides for how to make various open-source things and there is a professor at a design University in the south of Brazil who's been going around and studying all of the informal sector artisans techniques and methods for building things they call them there the Gambia us which is their own got br but you can also correlated which that means it's essentially creative people who were hacking things together using the wrong size components and all of that nature and and so were trying to get things like this collection of informal Artie's null techniques undue Instructables because there are a lot of really valuable things that makers can learn from folks especially in low resources low resource environments who are making do with whatever they've got got and coming up with a really creative and inventive ideas we are running out of time unfortunately maybe 1 of famous last sentence from everybody would you wish for all the future for your work for maybe the maker movement what do you think I hope to see more recognition of the creativity and invention at every level of society the just so many things that have not been set up so that they have a letter c o more Democrat is at that time the Chernoff technology that it it needs to be so something so elitist or already in in informal settings you get the same sense of prestige as if I was you need in a in harbor and uh because I would love to see almost no more discussion about inclusive inclusion giving access and having cut the of the rights to grade on technology and to create form paths through technology so mad about a digitally Minister was completely and