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now what we'd like to do is the to have some of as some light note taking uh here on the screen and then is John Durant pointed out earlier I heard there that simulated that that is this form is an experiment and then the I'm sure that so most people here are aware of that that is to say well it became clear that there was a lot of interconnection going on on the potential of interconnection that seemed to me and was quite stimulating not only for holography but the field that would work with it and related fields of activity by the concerned with that technological advances a commercial so the objectives also artistic expression communication interests and so we want to bring together people from a variety of fields about the center point the holography but I hope that today we amended take out a bit of a step forward with regard to expanding that that notion of of holography are that we propose perhaps ourselves hold but as well people I hold in general as a is a
and as a the an invention and applications that require backward-looking instead of forward-looking I think if we look forward as we have
been today that we can see a lot of holography meaning a much more than it did
perhaps even you know 10 years ago and so on so with that I would like to invite comments questions engaging of the panelists but as well that we will take notes toward what we do from here the museum as you know is offering itself as a facilitating body a platform with the communication link a center point and an opening to MIT for exchange between MIT people and projects in what's going on outside so with that I would open up for your ideas and questions you Linda Lane are you going to have a to institute some kind of a preservation study I it would seem to me that that would be the 1st and most important thing to get underway With regard the collection of course yes I think I have reflected that the the brief discussion we have about the collection of preservation about accessibility etc. it is very high priority and we where every of also said we we we need to strengthen the platform at the museum with your help we hold up to doing this lot work at the museum Frank that we don't have the resources to undertake in the way that it calls for at this moment we have we haven't made efforts to an engage community and to China and light on the on the potential of holography in the museum to express its commitment but this this is an area that is of high importance but we we need to step into it and in combination with fund-raising ideas energies from the community if written something be done these are the the the internet so that people globally could contribute their experiences so that we could just collect out yes I mean I don't I don't mean to make it sound the it is a the stationary that objective right now indeed I think there there are things we can certainly do that do not require a great deal of finding and so then I would 1 the outcome of this meeting in my own mind is specifically that to think about OK what we do right now with the with the the the mines that are available the interest that is oriented not direction what can we do to collect information to make information accessible that is really relatively easy I think that's something we we need to put more thought into because I think there are resources right here and now and then so we're working through this is part of the benefit of this gathering by justify may add to that that's certainly something we can do with relatively small resources but we just need to bear in mind that collecting useful information about how to preserve and then actually doing the preservation of 2 different things and doing the preservation on large numbers of technically and physically different tolerance is
is likely to be um a resource intensive uh operation that is said to be that so we have that sooner or later we're going to have to grasp the nettle of securities some consonants some funding to make that possible it yes they think would make that can be done is that if the artists go back to the MCE I have 3 or 4 pieces in your collection and can you can get you the documentation is that how things were processed it if everybody would do that then that the accelerated aging tests or whatever where the evaluation of those processes can be done over another like only forward is 6 major processing regimes so so really the expedited there could be an identification process of the ones that use PDQ belief may print out a few eliminating too much when the use reversibly to probably very stable or something like that and the artists themselves to be able to supply that information so that's so that's an island in the dataset had artists you know getting in that the perfect about the perfect suggestion I mean that 1 with something as simple as houses meant to be illuminated I mean most of olive ridley have no information on them we do it by hybrid I swing it suggests that there some expertise here at MIT may help you because the Louis music library has an oral history project and and I think you should talk to them about how they assembled that information OK thank you yes please I I mentioned earlier about global meaning that I'd like to bring it up again because this is actually happening right now answers are discussing this online and there's quite a number of local round the world already offering the information that I would be happy to go back and report about what went on here on name and encourage them to send you information know the world thinking Facebook remind this is moving in a slightly different direction when the merit discussing before that for example a lot of us have as a lot enormous resources and our own personal collections and catalogs and and for example in a museum has most of those things but but they don't have those Johnson freedom have the resources to actually scan them and put them on 1 of the web space the museum could make available to all of us to add add resources to for example I have a person of the entire collection of culture and I have a couple scanners at home I be happens happiness can 1 every week or every 2 weeks put online as PDF for on them MIT Museum website and I have designed catalogs and I know many of you have measurement and most of that a lot of true Jim as most those that again just mentioned before you really don't have time to I put them online I recognize that there's a quality control issues you because you can have different collagen submitted by people I don't really think that's the point point I think it's a starting point and also the way to reach out to the community worldwide as you were talking about before as I think when land was talking about reaching out Wyoming every participate in particular way of life in thank you but that that I think that it as well as a uh an important plot point of a lot of growth potential necessary madam museum makes a web space so to speak available but it's a collaborative creation and that we have an opportunity for the the uploading of different kinds of material and we contribute as well here at the museum and of course we have an opportunity for a blocking and other email exchange and that we can imagine building their own online world of of sharing essentially as we build something together that you know taking advantage of what we each have to offer the 1 just to throw another uh idea right which is about I think the encouragement of new work it's been suggested to us uh actually by dt all that we might think about setting up some kind of um student prize for new artwork in holography that was going to be done we have to think again about funding of the prize you gotta have the money for the prize uh and organization and so on but I wonder what people think about ideas like that for soliciting or encouraging people into the field that do you work is this something that would meet the need all that would actually be likely to to be useful these on I think anything that gets people to try something is like a really good idea but I think before having the competition the axis is the 1st step and so I could just say that I've written in online calls for making art digital holograms I did kind of arrangement just it's Joel look because I just made a hologram macular and on its at the College of Fine Arts at the University of New South Wales in Sydney were for students enrolled in the very first one it's it's at 1st only being I made available to the Master of Fine Arts and Design students but next year 1 Nixon mystical be available will widen anyone can log in and I think the price that the the and the cost is taught jointly between a holographic person perhaps it's going to be minimal and when not to yet that there is some promising signs that should be teaching the course and act together with a person makes that in mind you can download a free copy of mind of the internet and make the same files send the maybe the Internet to titular del printout hologram for you posted it back to your house and the total cost is 105 dollars out so if something like that and what we is doing is possible i think it's true these new courses with people can remotely make their own content and send it to these places and the then is going to be in a big lot of work and it's gonna be quite easy to play that not like the we're everybody had a different rate play requirements to because they usually have a standard configuration of reference beam so it may be possible to do some kind of thing and maybe get 1 of these companies in it's a sponsor of all come to showcase all of the different things because I think you know Linda's article so fantastic and in
in showing the whole spectrum but there has never been an exhibition which brings that spectrum together so something on things that a collaborative and working together rather than say a prize or something like that just sort of something like someone representing each of the different potential methods of doing output are all invited to do something that something on the line thank and thank you thank you yeah already my but I bet can't you know 1 another this is to model a little bit about a little bit after the old museum of other New York mean the need for communication is the need now with the internet you know for people to exchange ideas and information about what they're doing and where they're doing it there also was the artist in residency program may have so perhaps a link with the Center for holographic artist in New York could provide a string that may be tied into exhibition of the acquisition of acquiring 2nd work that was developed as in the residency program in a museum could you know as that program is ongoing also I and I think the exhibition you know they love to exhibit the work here and I know times that it is involved in the but the Institute and we're always holographers you're always trying to find basis to share their work and it's a lot of energy in a lot of effort goes into bringing you work together for an exhibition so it perhaps some link could be made of where the museum did have a space for new work and you know like the nite exhibition in the world were all sort of thrilled to be part of that that exactly what was needed you know for us to be stimulated to feel like it was OK to still be a lover so I think that you know 3 or 4 areas that they all museums were satisfied and and also collecting continuing to collect information catalog catalogs in etc. so yeah can this equipment and upgrade of what is going to do this again well from that we had thought of and putting out the suggestion that consideration that we might make a meeting like this at regular time maybe in the 1st instance rather than trying to do annually I mean a lot of people come a long way for this but maybe if we try to do it at least biannually so every 2 years we had uh get together of the community with that seem like a good idea the so I am really I get it well you know I we suddenly wondered about whether a regular opportunity to exchange ideas here about new work scene you work would be a good thing but it depends on the level of collective enthusiasm for it and because in most the folks who come here as far as I'm aware of self funded so that needs to be a willingness to buy a ticket and jump on a plane or trying something and down and spend the time so we're willing in principle to do something and I think we saw maybe we should walk before we run and see see if every 2 years would would really have meet a need plays an just soon note that the international holography an International Symposium on display a lot of it is happening in China in July this year and was discussions been that the 3 we the three-year wait and that's too long and the international holography fund have been helping artists to go to that there's been a sizable grant from them to make to a artist to go to China and I think it would make sense for you to apply to the International of he found no depending on how the funding is going for the next few years but if there is money there to help artists to come here and so have it on an annual basis I think would be really great in the constant context of how much is starting to evolve I think I've gone this point and it is strong in my mind the need but to not only keep up with them but to engage with the work processes and the technologies that unfolding mn MIT you know we've for a little bit about that today number and it's 1 thing to me is another thing for the the education and the actual practice to come in and through a meeting like this now that's a tall order and so how would bring people in connection with the equipment How do we bring new works interconnection with visitors through exhibitions of deserve a larger undertakings but I think there's a it it is 1 valuable a function of a gathering like this it would it would be to actually at the deliberate traction with regard to practice at and bring the the emerging technologies for example 1 1 connection I see is obvious that needs to happen is to bring the content and the content makers interconnection with the the technology makers in the engineers and this is the of the of the of the art in the engineering I mean as that connection is embodied in projects that we've heard about today because of so a a lot to offer from different people here and beyond can perhaps marrying quite well known and productively with 1 of the are yet the resource that you really don't know the above of selling on I think that CHCs had that opportunity here very definitely in in being able to bring artists and to develop content that they could develop in other words because of the connection with the Institute of no if there's any possibility of adding to or connecting to the serious program to allow people to come through and work here because on as a participant in that it was amazing and it wasn't necessarily I was here before stews program and it wasn't through anybody who's doing holography at the time but people who were interested in the enthusiasm to do something unexpected that the Institute itself is really interested in well is there a the this was happening at MIT but today that I then it includes CBS because beyond with regard to the Arts at MIT and the I think there there may very well emerge opportunities and by which a people could come
and be in residence at the Institute of have access to facilities and so forth that's an obvious and urgent can in as the past proves a powerful important connections connection yeah of is sign on this may be inappropriate but not I has something to do with it I talk a couple people here or this sentence I'm speaking from center for the holographic courts on and we extended our a our program on to the fifties and like to anybody that would be interested because we have a pulsed laser no national programmes and note of anybody interested care to look at that whole center of dada work have all information but can you please 15 to march this is a deadline Nixon deadline it's coming soon but you know yeah so thank you again but I had my interests of in the activities of the museum in as relates reflect the museum of water the and and how that might morph into the future of watching that is as on the original founding the members of the museum's staging for showing all that this is all very near and dear to me in the core archival issues in the cataloging Conservatory issues or letter or our some interest in that but I wanted to quickly on you about funding and what not of you and I should have several things education of the idea of outreach of this and and these are the space itself on I realize that the ICA museums not was never set up specifically to law the wonders of as its primary after all that is my interest actually of you know what you've got there's always fascinated me want a couple of models have actually been successful the Museum of Art spite the bankruptcy of 1 of state to narrative place on a given Christmas when FAO Schwarz was moving across the street the be provided as an annex to a museum in New York of the windows of on various history of remove your car of Spitzer 7th Avenue were were was used extraordinary traffic and in fact my 1st encounter with was really meant by location location location of once upon a time but because people were packed like ants trying to get the caches fears of to pay for their power grandmother was 5 . 250 bucks were having on the fact that the use your space here obviously limited on that perhaps on a limited basis whether it's a christmas season or something like that somewhere maybe within the heart of Boston or some words more highly trafficked which is the say is that old on some of these holograms lecture on scene at the moment of because I assume we're really looking at itsy-bitsy a fraction of a collection upstairs on could be stage in a more traffic area as far as power parts of this real estate wedding at this point in time and there are some issues about the US Army National on globally about in excess of real estate that is vacant on it may be possible to get the donations of spatial period time when it's true 3 months and actually stayed a larger scale execution of what took you and that point of people paid a common of will actually drew engender forms that can be applied to the whole lot the sector of the MIT Museum that such suggestions get stuff out on display in a traffic area people will pay i have seen over the course of history as you've already when traveling chose to place of people lined up around the block to see our not that was pre millennial I don't know that's gonna be the same and in this day and age but I have a feeling that the level of interest in Waterbury is actually among the general public from is actually still very high in spite of the fact of its practical invisibility I often come across people making comments to be like only have holography whatever happened to that and uh or work on like poverty and that was that was begin she's wasn't and so anyhow I I just want to mention that as a as a different kind of model is that rather than expecting to be able to do this in the space is 6 for the stuff temporarily to more public place were more people to see it here it and lastly this issue of the actual on traffickers my grandma used to all of our reference letters of the that that were being sold this that and were from 5 divided always I have that's people lined up like answer you could not get to the capture of children which is used to pay for your at that super super highly trafficked location of and efficient like my life so there are a few successful business models of all the temporary that the museum did encounter in the traveling thing in this annex that was donated the 3 were revenues can be generated from the stuff thank you get a lot of 1 point in response I can I can make coming directly out of the museums thought process and that is traveling exhibitions at the museum has done in the past and intends to do and traveling exhibitions but at engaging holography with that it's so that something that we want to do and in fact we have done at 1 time that I know often and so that may be in the direction of your statement but I do agree that there are many opportunities 1 can imagine we we have retail going on right over there 1 can imagine of to course but actually and I just want to speak that too because that I was the curative the museum of other things that we did those windows and that really lost like that and good but I wanted to add the i o that that took about do traveling shows too because right now I think it's really interesting time and with all this interest and there are certain museums that have already shown holography and notably the button Institute in Ohio and the decoded and museums on here in Massachusetts who I you know that a well put together show that talks the educates about pyelography income final holography would be really appropriate in time it's true that there's quite a need for education the 3 michael brought up in his talk and you know it a persistent misconception of the light stopping in in generating images in space and its own isopleths on and we've talked a little bit more about that is that is a rich cultural history technical history etc. that has not been well
articulated is not well known for I have a question so can you should work out but can show foes whole world our our series of programs or made out with regard to the traffic degree by the way the world here we go kill young we don't we don't have specific numbers on that but I can tell you that there is then and consistent traffic and this is a people coming standing whether they they know about the show the In a previous to the visit may come for it they see it as walking along a set but they're in the evening when the show opens on and there's all almost always at a group of people a out there looking and so what help with those numbers add up to much sure but on top of that I would say that the the response to this in in local publicity it especially in the nite of the opening of the exhibition and was great and my and my feeling is is that that's a measure of what could be a much larger response if out we were about international publicity and reaching and also of areas that might care such as yeah architecture design and culture urban environment and urban planning and so on so that's what I see is a lot of potential that way this this is taught us a lot so I the yeah that would have been a good idea that's a very good idea if you if you if you do or how create a website for specifically for this area of holography could you not have 8 find that people could donate to force the preservation of hollow ground so that the research could be carried out sure I think that for people to know exactly what the donation may be applied to for example you know the preservation of the collection accessibility of the collection and and we have not had that kind of targeted at a wide broadcast and and so I think that's a very good suggestion that I think in fairness to everybody here we want to think about that and you know going on for a couple minutes and then and then rapid so final comments and suggestions particularly at all the same still of maintaining the momentum of this community's of interest and activity in the area the yes please but the quick observation and I know that a lot of 1st had been been been moaning the whole CNN phenomenon where they call the hollow-gram and and and video and it's a capitalist countries is called the things that are not tolerant hard on this and all things in PR were they said well as long as they stop money right on it in a way that does actually reflectance possibly get experiences good and I used always tell students and people in general that that that of a good 3 D experience whether it's use of stereographic technique runners holographic or whatever it might be a good 3 D experience speaks well for 3 D in general and invariably effects or positively by virtue the fact they're not 30 year more films in the Hollywood pipeline that 3 D of what happens when you see more and more interest you know it's not holography invariably there will be interest in 3 D related technologies including what was it should be noted once again at the museums initiatives is titled calorically in spatial imaging and so it does the endeavor to reach broadly with the holography and sent it to but then again last a comment from the floor he knows that
the get thing in a different and
I think that you know I'm thrilled at
MIT in doing this and 1 of the things that's been lacking for a very long time is is a kind of a home for a whole lotta theory a repository for the information of place that donate your holograms place the leader of state to but in the in in the when I started in 79 there was this 1 place and it was like everybody had to make the pilgrimage to immolate and when you got married in the community would sort of come out of all of the sudden you get to me really work out the same and everybody and and and that has been lacking in so I think there if you know MIT has has a commitment or or another institution that if everybody planning knows that that's where you go the information that's really go for the archive that's really go to leave your information that people need to build on I think that would really serve very very well is this big transition period is coming that with that we all seem to acknowledge well thank you and I think have are collected a set a couple of things in closing and I think 1st of all that is having put this together having identified in set someone who can and embodied the museums commitment to this area that for the next phase of of of of of of our work I think we're implicitly unless we make it explicit saying yes to that so if you are thinking of leaving your state and it's actually assigned to leave it to the MIT Museum for the conduct of further work in holography in spatial images and but uh in addition let me just say a couple of things we're really pleased at the way this form is gone but we're delighted that so many people have uh made the time to come that you come attended and a so actively but I do want to thank all of us the is a particularly this afternoon speakers who were up there on the stage and they really I think in this feast of ideas and issues to to to think on so many thanks to all of you have thank with with going to continue as you can tell and I suspect we should organize another 1 of these forums I the next year old maybe later depending on how things go do feed your ideas your suggestions your information at through and we will try to operate and information exchange as well as we can with current resources and uh watch this space and in the meantime last but not least thanks to all my colleagues that some of them still here but particularly to set the having but the whole thing together they give frame we will love have documentation of this event
and available online on demand as well as an increase to documentation of the Loomis windows exhibition is a kind of core to building out the the web opportunities that we have talked of so thank you the thing that
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Titel Afternoon Panel Discussion
Serientitel Photons, Neurons and Bits: Holography for the 21st Century (MIT Museum 2009)
Teil 12
Anzahl der Teile 13
Autor MIT Museum
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DOI 10.5446/30387
Herausgeber River Valley TV
Erscheinungsjahr 2012
Sprache Englisch
Produktionsort Cambridge

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