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I want to invite all of this morning's speakers to come up on the platform itself helps to
grab a chair there's some bad and some over here and we'll if we can put the lights a little higher up in the main auditorium but we can have a more extended
conversation the the the and her her and I'm hoping that room for everybody and I think that we're going need to do is to share microphone on the stage and have 1 other which goes around at the audience and so thank you so how many of us because we have a system which I use it any way you like clearly there is overlap between these 2 talks in fact some of the most interesting issues from my point of view have come up this morning I have been at the area of apparent overlap between what 1 uh presenter has discussed in terms of a research project and another we saw islands interest in some of the work that was described earlier this morning so we might want to look a little bit of that but that really it's an opportunity for the uh for us to pick up any and all of the issues that we had time to discuss at the end of each session so I don't know whether there questions or comments that any of our speakers 1st all want to make on other things they've heard this morning if there are I think we should give them 1st dibs so correct for the most part that taken away from the notes and that happened projections and there need no not shown divided this comment on the last presentation of the obviously is Nestorian what really matters to me at the unsexy parts of the archive I think the documentations extraordinarily important and getting certain kinds of publications on the colors here which everyone is always asking about all the spheres 1 of these paradigm publications in the field in the 19 eighties that had a big impact on the community so this is stored here at the Museum of getting something like that I will be very valuable indeed for the community beyond that of the issues raised by Creek I think of archiving holograms disappearing with time and I think that's important to from them so that the multiplex holograms in particular are seldom seen today and the disappeared from sight just a common I'm no expert on the conservation of holograms by the way my worry uh it's hypothesis is that there are no real experts on the conservation of GM and and an aspect of what uh Allen and and some of the audience were at
raising concern we obviously have museums are and things for the long term we have a long-term responsibility to this unique collection I've been involved in previous museums with conventional photography uh collections perhaps glass plate photographs and they have been the subject of substantial research to establish that the optimal conditions for preserving them we have the problem that that we're not dealing with 1 but with multiple holographic media as as has just been uh said and most of those media have had very little research done on
them and to know what are the best conditions under which to keep them so we have a series of only partly related
as it were time bombs in our collection and it does give us concern 1 possible route is for us to think about raising funds for what I would call conventional conservation uh related research where we would actually conduct work to try and establish what are some of the key uh and uh lessons for long-term conservation and another approach is the 1 that came up in the presentation from Holland said which is to say well that's well and good but in the end we're probably going to lose the battle with time on the on many of the originals and in fact of course we've already lost the battle of time with some originals I hear horror stories from people anecdotes about people putting a hologram in the back of a cart and taking it on a 400 mile journey and finding at the other end of journey they don't have a holograph uh and uh and uh if if if you take the view that in the end the laws of entropy the law of entropy is going to win then the digitizing uh root looks like and the 1 that we should also invest in so that we don't have a lot proverbial eggs in 1 basket so we're very concerned about conservation about making this collection available in 1 or more different ways for the long term because as we have unique objects here which will never be uh reproducible in in other ways and please hi assembly whether on our last evening are covered by as you go on and I were talking about this issue and 1 for I might suggest it was if the MIT Museum could establish an art high where the holographers who were living now and who have gone through some of these problems could add to your car and that might help in some of your conservation ideas because we had to deal with and we've seen some things disappear because of the the certain chemistries or 1 thing or another and it might not save things that are already and deteriorating conditions but it might prevent some things from getting there and so if you could be the archive of that information that would be another way to give yourself presence in the community which would be extremely important I think that's a very interesting and helpful suggestions thank you on on your right hemolytic Melissa Crenshaw here we're having that discussion last nite that a lot of people came in the holography from photography a lot of this came in from the the fine print archival processing and and and a lot of people didn't ending in we do know things you know like the PDQ holograms bleached out and disappear after well for instance a lot of us do have that information the switch processing because of its of there was some way there you know collect that information now while it's still alive rather than archeology later on that would be really fantastic the anything aligned added sit with your collection has you know we're losing people like we last really Burke out this year we've less dance whites here and why you had people still around to try to get the information collected on what those holograms actually were about and the formal language around them like a specialist like my real early abstract work for instance and there needs to be an explanation about that so that in down the road and someone is hopefully you know scanning these things and seeing all this information in a way that was about instead of just having a visual record net could be kind of done now over the Internet without any kind of advance in technology that is to get that information while we're all still alive thank you lose 2 important practical suggestions on the 1st is actually important correction of what I said it it clearly is the case that there's a lot of uh of knowledge embedded in the community about conservation and it would be crazy for us not to be building on the other points in aspects please undermined you've got these by experts up here don't lose the chance of addressing them please and I would like to continue on this theme that than I had just just add the fact that I'm I was curative the museum of holography in New York for a period of time not for the whole time but I am very familiar with your collection and the issues to discussing but there's something else been happening that I don't know how many of you are aware of it there's a forum online called
holography admitting that was started by factor freighters that happened just this the last couple months but those of us have been a very active discussion going on there about preservation of holograms and all of these issues is already happening there's a lot of information on that I would encourage everybody to sign up for holography evening and join in the discussion because these issues are being addressed that no thank you just yesterday thank Elizabeth doing I guess is questions that have metaphorically about our coming but it is specifically to of but some years ago John Hall wrote in touching the rock experience of blindness that after 4 years of being sunk in deep blindness your visual memory a so Oliver facts agreed with him initially and then revise his opinion found that substantially I'm wondering what you're and let your perspective on visual memory and blindness in good and this is a very precise question and then I have some unfortunately no expertise and knowledge about them for the people that on how binaries and experience on the uh 1 thing that I've been studying of related to visual memory is that age children their attention to you ever want to visual events in the world and what's going on just spend a few seconds your will fix a lot more of the information into memory and will help you I mean for people that have site 2 sheikhs information in memory and to make more links between them and things that are seen in the past even 10 years ago or 20 years ago so this happening is that the brain that has the best ability to of an incredibly incredible to reach memory we don't know how to and there that ability we don't know how to to make it happen more often so now I what I do know when people on using and assigned at decide toward unique to here is the brain is from test each mashine that we organize itself and Tech covered the brain region that where the decay chain to site for our here we know smelling of thinking on all over I'm at the the cheese and in general it more connection that are made between the senses better ease in memory so I won't extrapolate that for people who might have I have and I can have side and loses sight column I want to believe that they will exhaust their
memory using over sense years and you could the you call that in making out among Italian majority of I an advance when you hear something when you touch something so the blame put all the sensors together and if vision is lacking then you have a ways to were present our information using sounds and couch and so that will be my answer but and I like here and I'm doing when if you have absolutely no vision so in other words that senses totally gone how long the visual memory might persist but I I like the Anthony will uh yes you you was the was somebody who was who are in those conditions it I want to stress this from hi my name's stephanie sure I was curious if the other panelists could kind it addresses the implicit if you will challenge put by by the 1st speaker by showing the video that in their holograms in the initial stages were oversold in did not become part the did not grant the popular imagination and that stymied uh their development now live new applications new things going on how can you overdose traps how can you capture the imagination of and keep the momentum going in a way that could not have been done but back in the seventies and eighties so the so I think in 1 of the key key aspects that we can tackle nowadays is interdisciplinary work so universities like MIT is it's amazing for example in our research group the 30th because his as systems grew belongs to the mechanic mechanical engineering lab so too because if they got the seeks the you know these type of relationships and other project that i've presented is also biology so by combining all these disciplines we learn from before and uh the from problems that have been sold in different areas so therefore we can introduce the thing is that you can see spice it up you can think of like a given project and therefore and you can come up with very interesting ideas combined product for example he combining 40 imaging with holography with something maybe not optical related all like uh visual perception for example and I think that there will be a key component now the the on just just adding to what he was saying it's also on the stuff some or what happened those for the like gives up its binding obligations I applications in solving the problems like uh uh so uh the Moon getting a photograph example that has nothing to do with you on it's not in the form of about is just improving the benefits for those people ordinary take so there are specific problems that you can sort and I think that that's something that would be up be a good way to carry this followed by the I find a new 1 interesting applications for the for this I I so maybe the 3rd point to make to keeping holography alive it's to take these things directly from or it is to do exactly what were doing here our each of getting these ideas from the lab out to people so that they can experience so that they can say yes this might work for my application here something that's just plain interesting so coming up with these ways of my explaining the whole ography and what we can do to the everyday audience and to be able to add to really make that to after you treaty information of accessible and intuitively accessible so uh I think everything that the museum is doing in terms of archiving and making uh that treaty openly available on the web is exactly kind of where we could see yourselves going in the future as well of taking what we have a say for example for the point of making that easily accessible in a similar type of treaty web environment maybe don't just to to see this is not just something that is useful for the small sets of researchers but it's also useful or understandable for a much wider audience yeah I 1 more 1 more comment or question from the audience and then I will probably need to break for lunch you've you've been a fantastic that devotees for long 1 place right what I want because you've done such a lovely job in creating this holographic installation here and I know you've got other exhibits you wanna do a lot of things that you have a collection you now have a viewing zone for all GM
you could use some of it after this show is is completed there's a possibility of continuing that site and starting to show the collection itself but I can make a direct comment on that and and I know that set will agree that cause I think it's basically his idea but you're right we got this rather specialized and platform for all um display on the street is designed really for obvious reasons for use in over the winter period when we have a longer period outside when you can effectively CDs and we're seriously contemplating having a regular winter season of holographic displays using the same infrastructure and and and I think that you can expect that uh it seems to us to have worked well and and it would be a good idea and it does rather lead into a couple of comments I wanted to make a sort of an wrapping up this morning session and the comments related to the that screen that's appeared behind us the questions up that will very concerned uh that this whole collaborative forum should add to the momentum of what this extended community is doing and what museum is doing and to to to to to continue work in this field and
we we feel strongly that the best way to ensure that is to make explicit the questions well where next and how can we maintain the momentum that seems to be gathering as I listen to these talks and here the energy in the conversation around them and and I want to just tell you a couple of the things that the museum is already committing to do there's a lot of others and some of which had just been mentioned actually in this discussion section which we are not yet able to commit to do because we don't have the resources but I want to invite the entire group the speakers and uh the audience to think a little over the next couple of hours particularly with a view to the final discussion session is afternoon about what might be some good responses to these questions when next how should we maintain momentum what suggestions do we have let's just tell you what we the museum intend to do anyway we can we intend to continue to collect significant work in this field and I'm being slightly cheeky but we would love it we would absolutely love it if any of the distinguished artists whose work is displayed currently out there were to either forget to take their and holograms home with that but there are more likely were to decide that they would like to to to to donate work of peace to our collections you can assume that we would be avidly uh enthusiastic about that but more generally have higher had as of flowing more generally we are going to continue trying to collect important material to build a collection secondly we continue to try and exhibit I mentioned the idea of making luminous windows an annual feature that we're not actually very proud frankly of the holography gallery upstairs it's now uh is not that a long time and it's only a sex at a very small and very small subset of the whole utterance we have in our collection is much more we could do we want to renew that gallery is part of a much more extensive renewal of our 2nd floor displays and we want to manage more temporary displays all interesting current and new
work I mentioned actually that we already have plans to display some of the work that you heard described this morning by and uh coming out of George brother statuses lab and we're also working with Michael both was 1 of those often speakers to display some of his work which you'll hear about later we're going to continue as you have from Seth down only gonna continue trying to make the collection more accessible online we do believe that's important direction we think that's both important for conservation and importance of building audience and building access to these media in the end the number of people who could benefit from our collection uh in those ways is going too far exceed the number who will benefit from them by visiting the museum and actually going in looking at the holograms on the wall unfortunately and so those are some things that were already as it were committed to you don't need to try and persuade to do those things we will um but there are many other things that we and by the way this extended community might uh be wanting to do and we're keen to hear your proposals so this is really a call to action you going to go to lunch shortly as opportunities out there to brainstorm to to confer uh please bash ideas around and come into the session later this afternoon uh ready to bombard us all with you all interesting ideas I'd like to thank all of our panelists and all speakers and for a really really interesting morning but let me say that uh lunch is going to be available for everybody who was booked upstairs on the 2nd floor in what's called all large conference room is not that hard to find but they'll be staff to direct you need to go up the staircase of the corner for those of you who have not yet found the 2nd floor at the entrance is over in the corner there and and I think we should try we've we've consciously run over a bit but I think we should try to be back on time give ourselves 45 minutes for lunch rather than an hour of my guess is that we can do that let's try be back onto them please the start of this afternoon session which is an that's about 130 thank you very much indeed few act
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Titel Morning Panel Discussion
Serientitel Photons, Neurons and Bits: Holography for the 21st Century (MIT Museum 2009)
Teil 07
Anzahl der Teile 13
Autor MIT Museum
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DOI 10.5446/21961
Herausgeber River Valley TV
Erscheinungsjahr 2012
Sprache Englisch
Produktionsort Cambridge

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