Open Mind, Literally: Teaching Free Culture As A Life Goal, Brain Surgery, and A Networked Path to Recovery

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LGM 2010 was a new experience for me, and has greatly influenced my teaching, my art, and my perception. While I was in London returning from Brussels, I received a call from the San Francisco Art Institute to teach a freshman foundation course titled “”Making and Meaning””. It was the first time I had the opportunity to create my own syllabus for undergraduates, so I chose to teach about free culture, and how create work and consider open principles when executing projects. Three weeks away from the end of the semester I was struck by a nearly life-ending infection. A fellow free culture advocate came to my aid, teaching in my place, and helped to produce and inspire a project called “”The Physical Word.”” In this presentation, I will share my story of how the principles of LGM serve as inspiration to recovery and regrowth.
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my name is Peter and I am not affiliated with open source software officially but according to my name tag it says I make art and share ideas so I thought that would be a pretty fair assessment I was here for the 1st time In 2010 at the LGM Conference in Brussels and I presented my own and some work that I was observing the similarities between what I call the new folk traditions on and that's sort of seeing a community of of developers so you guys can consider yourself all quilters each doing a little bit of quilting you're making a bigger thing to keep you warm through winter which is the metaphor for your program anyway that was last year's talk met ton of people super inspiring and so that kept spinning off In my work over the summer and when I was coming back from Brussels was stopped in London and not a little scraping from the dean of the school at synthesis to our institute and just said call me so those there is a really good or really bad so I called her up on moodle train station and she offered me a position to teach a class called making a meaning which is a freshman foundation class sentences got Institute and of course a lot that the job and 1 of the things that can be brought up the other day that I really respect is sort of that position of awkwardness or a hesitancy in in art where you you sort of know your tool that you don't know your tool Your constantly in a state of flux of developing and growing and querying the network and that sort of thing so what I wanted to actually right now is switch and analog known as you can see I have a pen I also have an eraser that these are really simple tools OK the 1 of the points today is the complexity not so much of the tool but what's running the tool which is in this case the don't write your head your brain plus it's got sort of a repository of all the experiences in your life and of the influences of your friends and that sort of thing but when you get down to it it's all basically the on and off so much like a computer you that sodium potassium pump got some marks on it that's neurons things are flying around and through its complexity there is simplicity you can draw a line from the left to the right seems really easy you know to just do like this right not so straight the good art school and you learned how to make them more straight darker you know that mean that past harder different things like that OK so there is a lot of complexity in in simplicity right so the way that relates to arts on in the present is that With these complex tools the the age at which people are accessing them is lower and lower and lower so generation gaps between a teacher and student continue to get bigger and bigger and bigger because the rate at which the technology is changing the generation gap that small right so I I graduated high school in 1997 and had no experience at all whatsoever with the Internet of 1 week in August of 1997 I got a computer I got the internet I went to college all the same week period exciting I was don't P E I 1 at Cornell that you and instantly ahead e-mail and I still have it today OK so very interesting tool set acquisition right there instantaneous and then network community and all that stuff so now that more people are coming communicate as in full analog mode so I want you to run the hands together I love to see that you're not taking right now OK so we're going to do something crazy and try class all at the same time to get there and there's OK with right again get there and through 2nd trial there we go there so loudly evaluator Wal-Mart and OK so
we're going to add complexity so we're going to do 3 collapse and then we're gonna hold OK so we can't say that all the time to do all kinds of all the time it takes for them because the rate of that now you look around and see collaborating with we're trying to get even tighter and more complex so this time we're going be going ahead right so we're going to go 0
. 2 the whole times to to the page 1 to 4 that the theory of demand through the whole time have time for the whole time to there are actually more complex are the wordnet according to take our hands were going get really crazy Morgana pretend that we're running so when you run like this but we're just going to make a lot of work and that's right OK so long gone through the whole time and time to the run time all the time and all I messed up a renegade even crazier now this time we're going out it right just letters z that memory what z yes but for the better protection so what basically we're going in the same order in pounds of 3 although they run against areas of together with get in and time through the whole point of the data to the right time to their wants to be all the time I have time to the right time to do that not purely analog think about all
the things we're doing right now and we're having a conversation were doing simple activities were having a good time we get a little slap on you know stimulated were aroused another sexual where you just sort of up in a way in the morning OK so this is basically what you want in your life you wanna be activated you want be aware of the social context all these things are super super important for being a human that's what separates you from your box on your lap OK now these interactions have been commodity the modified In the last uh you know 15 years because people love doing this and how do you get the box to act like a human waste another human on the other side of it we have a conversation through the box and the box disappears called transparency the singularity right we're headed down that way in it where were things become transparent you don't really know if you're in rather than not the network could be the matrix but we're getting close 2035 there's been Ray Kurzweil etc. making comments about this type of things yes fair enough number then we review fish but on that's exactly a very good point right we talked about that yesterday a little bit with that at the end of the talk where it's like what happens if things break what you did that's a great segue so what I just shared with you guys it is is the joy of being if you not you take all that stuff away what you have left the dead right your mobile or those type of things so after the graphics after I got the job but I was teaching students very much the same things about open source about what I call the big 4 and indefensible 3 and this can explain this to you and then basically show you a syllabus that I
generated and for that specific class OK
using some important points that you guys are
probably all familiar with so free and open culture
I wrote this in August the job was supposed to start September what I was doing was given out into the world people were making critiques of it and I so
basically I just talk about what free and open culture is it 1 of the definitions the ideas the concepts of sharing openness decentralization free access to computers and world improvement play I think we can all agree that those are some pretty amazing things that are not mind that sort of hacker culture from the fifties the sixties and it's developed onto the president right I just put through some cultural figures up there people again whom you all know which part students necessarily might not but students are going to ask the following questions I think the method of it's really great which is called the yeah the 2 of them to present so writing software that's all you guys and so the hands on here so we essentially have been doing that a little bit activating bodies anything essential lessons can be learned about systems about the world from taking things apart seeing how they work in using this knowledge to create new and more interesting things how many of you guys are familiar with the term cognitive dissonance you anybody not that if someone explain it it was not exactly current OK that it you get the information just 1 thing that uses the most you know like the use of a tools that you can have use the experience something because this the exam so to cognitive dissonance is what what you know and what your system does smash into each other and like when don't know what's going on OK that happens a lot of stroke patients on happens with people that have a neurological disorders different things like that a great way to test yourself is user boxes right now and look up something called the Stroop test new do it now you can do it at home but essentially what it does is it shows that through our education we get really really good at certain tasks and then we lose something that seems sort of human rights so the Stroop test essentially what it does is you have a series of the field of words on the screen and the written in a variety of color in the 1st field you have the color so for example let's say that this is blue right and we write the word blue the the LUT in the blue marker OK now unfortunately all I have is blue markers and we're going to have a really fun time today but I feel we have blue here so let's pretend that this was red again and I write red so this were a rare thing and I love the task assigned to you In the 1st field would be all letters excuse me all colors in the blue field of blue would be in blue red the red green being green so that that's the 2nd 1 this is actually a really good example because red green and blue will be written in green so that etc. so that things don't match that you take any group of people who are literate OK and put them together and ask them the task what is the color of ink that I drew this people can just Laurette really fast right through a field of 20 things maybe 10 seconds for the 2nd that they don't match up and you say on you're reading red but the task was to read that it was to tell me the color of the IEEE OK that's cognitive dissonance we're like long and you can what you can do it but there's 2 things going on 1 is really deeply ingrained in the other 1 is what you know you need to do so in art school you'll find a ton of people there like all image is worth a thousand words not as natural it's worth a thousand words when you don't have language and you have all this other conflicting information and there's a strength that comes with images and words together strength that's there were just images and a strengthened their with uh you know just language right so what I'm saying is that if you ask this the 4 year old who can't quite read yet to do the same task 3 good in both they can they can do that in a class by a 4 year old like that that's really embarrassed so I that's really important 0 because there's a difference between 1 thing that I really want to differentiate you know was the last time you guys clap together you know that wasn't the end of the presentation you like yes lunch room well probably a long time ago because there's a thing like that that's called being self-conscious right artists deal with that all the time it's like when you look stupid if I do that especially if you're in performance art video or whatever so now 1 of the things I try to do this differentiate between the idea of being self-conscious and self-aware right so in in that way our you know yourself where you're like 0 my body makes these noise 20 this that does this does this you get familiar you get embodied you brought the brain in your body starts connect and it gives you the freedom through the technique because you start to understand that there are things like cognitive dissonance there are things like there are confusing and that your education has actually sort of squashed your the creative power in some ways right so the way out of that 1st of all stop being a perfectionist and that's what I love about quotas is that's I get it out there but you can work on it will will show our ideas were were imitate critiques criminal look about reports from and things that go back out and makes an iterative process that's 1 thing that I love love love about being in this community is it's like 0 let's figured out what happens to this list that and that's a very creative act mad respect for that and 1 of the things that's also interesting that I found with working with programmers sort of more of an art context is the ability to have what's called divergent thinking on and that's sometimes beaten out of 2 as a young person but
and when things don't quite match up people are like 0 you're stupid you know if you're struggling with something once say a year physical learning right you learn through advanced movement and your sat down in the lecture situation you know looking at my head then you know you guys might not be super involved OK so 1 of the things going back to this on that's that's super important in art education is getting people to think
divergently so I'm going to ask you know it's going to move here for a 2nd you alright Google images and these are this is this is a great
example OK vacuum objects to a tool what is this thing anyway OK will use it for and they asked for a case clear by leaving toilet Bobby's calm anybody what other thing to be easy use a kernel holding out of a window open so this is the type of thing what else can we use this for getting amounts OK the colonized what include got that to make it into a bracelet boiling water comes flexible I want to be a sturdy with OK so hot how many objects are how many functions can you get a lot of kids are great if the if you like and what is this is the force rocket knowledge not I didn't hear any gradients isn't that right it's not crazy that's that's opening up that that fear of self-consciousness squashing it down fear of infection and all these things you sort of humble yourself have either the child lots of people talk about that in terms of buddhism right mind the child's mind but that's really important because they have a certain energy that you know as an adult it's kind of pushed out washed out so keeping that in your life not only allows you to be created and but it it allows you to sort of think really openly and to have solutions that are ridiculous for problems and then you know well not that
ridiculous because nobody thought of it this way so let's just play it out and that's the thing that I'm trying to get these on forest to be sort of like programmers in that respect words like you know what this is vaporware clusters brainstorming get something that we want to see how many things do we know the get us there OK so going back to the so and we've been talking a lot about business models and a whole bunch of other things right there is a super super important for artist but unfortunately that's that is never talked about because there's sort of a romantic idea about the idea that the the thing that you're selling outta your monetizing or whatever this is and in reality that's kind of what you're doing anyway but the thing is the framework for it so I try encourage people to think like 1 the received compensation that doesn't mean that there are and 3 anybody can see online it's about licensing it in a way that you feel comfortable and thinking about that at the outset so these are some of the questions that I've been on you know pouring my students that I think would relate to you guys know what my artistic assets what is my intellectual property How does copyright applied me as an artist How decision making production follow and form I practice how can I use goal-setting affirmation applying to the uh to my advantage but can I learned from business science and community where the contest she the concept of a testable hypothesis of thermal comes etc. on and how to some cost return on investment applied my artistic endeavors now that may seem like a total mind blow up for an artist but what the thing is when you take these metaphors and you apply them to our they data seem a lot like the beginnings of software development and that sort of thing so I basically by putting this stuff out here you can say OK Europe started using Photoshop when your 14 naira 18 we want you to think about bigger ideas in the future not just what you know and if what you know isn't that extensive like a professional photoshop user we're like super dialed and doing little twiddles on all the sliders etc cetera there's probably some sort of program out there the free software world that will satisfy your needs and if not you just need some more skills and a little tutorial so that's sort of what I say is that you have some cost already invested all that time and that grace is knowing when the new it just robot might blow it all out reboot and it's remind that together so this is some of the questions that I think are coming up now on specifically in our 2 is and it's not on the internet it doesn't exist and that I was told this by 14 year old like what like like nice look it up on amazon get like 50 or OK I they get that the benefit of it is that you can create everywhere it got network in your pocket which is here thousand friends and not all this other stuff so what it does it frees you from the steel which is something everybody than trying to do but it's tough when you got a 40 pound campus and you want to pay the whole bunch of other stuff the cheek with now these 2 tools are small you got like an SLR and I have the same 2 megapixels 5 years later in this thing and this is my primary camera right it's just a way of documenting and recording and you know lifestreaming do you want other stuff so basically all of this was dumped out on the computer I shared with everyone started with the students before data presentation very much like this to them and in the art institute bear the option to select their own classes there in making a meeting with the Seven professors to accommodate their needs and they can go with whoever they want and what's amazing is that you get
kids that want to be in the class and care about issues that you care about and and professors you as a
human being and as well as a teacher so after doing
that we started working on a project called the physical
work OK and that came out of the questions that I asked my students is who are you what you care about where you're going hiking to get there that sort of a long term goals right and then there's the defensible 3 which are essentially like most of these kids have been critique before so they don't really know how to defend their work there's 3 things that we have we have cont excuse me intense context and liability and liability is an interesting 1 because it's like and my putting myself at risk is an artist by appropriate in these images and doing this type of work my putting myself at rest physically by you know doing some project where I'm going to get run over by a car and then walk away you know am I putting the driver in danger and then who is going to be having to pay to see that is it on the street or is in in the gallery and I'm excluding the whole community of people if I'm charging for something when I lived in a neighborhood that's very poor so that's reliability in all definitions to that the dictionary intent is simply what you're trying to show it and provide context is the location of you know gallery street whatever so and I heard a lot about the care about their environment they care about their friends they care about traveling they care about of staying connected but there was some disconnect in the sense that they still wanted to use the skills that they had before which were painting drawing photography film-making video making etc. so basically what we're trying to do was sort of right under last time with the push back to craft reaction using your hands and using the tools plus the sort of folk traditions so what we did was we took analog and digital smashed together and the physical work actually is the product of that so so I can agree on while I was going to Hawaii on quick break I got meningitis encephalitis and the subdural and be not all at the same time which is a massive brain infection was out for 11 days but because I had put all the stuff on on the web
John can speak more to this about what happened because I actually don't remember it but I he was an art show in a separate historians to and they're like a can you teach repeat for all you know what had happened but because of that being open and putting all the stuff online he was able to gather the information and then I would have you know it was 2 weeks left this message with with the students so they basically had 2 weeks of production of the outline of the project was already created and he was able to you know used to to doing the fabricators sort of uh production work with a set of instructions so he was able to step right in and then create this site with my students OK so basically the premise was that I we have this thing called what's the word then we generated these signs and we put them out in the world and then gave up a way for people to get back to us and what we would do is that for making that investment as artists book student and we were able to then respond to that information and make something with the drawing and printing the video iterative surface so we made the signs and we start to put them up all around and then we started to get things will sent back and from the field so you know once I threw up and there was a cat so that was the tell me a story input from our output of the the story so then what would happen is and 2 seasons 2nd have defined so then we started
making responses and then posting back on the record on
the on the web so that the guy In a little animated GIF for cat so essentially it was taking something from the field going to the students the students going like this is hilarious are all summer sadder whatever and you can check that out of himself so the physical world not hypermodern that net and and see what the different students come up with and then came back to back out so but the other thing is that this is a completely open project you guys yourselves can just use in half by 11 this paper printed out stick it wherever you want on and that's a cool voice number so it goes to it whatever text they get people can interpret them and put them back out so so anyway it's just really amazing for me having been essentially completely rebooted personally to lose all those skills and meant to have someone step in because of the you know the the the common tools that you guys have but bring that to the art world and then having the project still produced on schedule but in a very happened way and so I just wanna show 1 last video and then I will let go because I am actually 5 minutes over time actually I want that going on the right here so are there any questions about the project and and and sort of what my teaching style etc. are giving questions portions among foreign bonds thank you for your time look well there we go if you want more most backstory and stuff you can just contact me off off line is also help how did the artists react and think was it that an easy transition for them to get this this through the morning of coffee at a time in front of the the the idea of many of the tools and process and 100 wouldn't
this little at the studio xx thing sure but however have how was it for the students are 100 scenes perception wise it did that many of them end up using a free and open source of there was a something that was sort of again with an emphasis on with the strong consideration but there was a right OK so that's a that's a really great question on that my sense of it is that everyone who's coming into art school now has some experience with image generation digitally and the depth of that makes it part that transition harder and 1 of the things as the teachers to be super empathetic because if you yourself know the proprietary software you can sort of act as a translator so you can see like OK you what can you do in photoshop and they will show you like this is how I do these things and then you can say OK well in this program you can do this and I can show you more honest and then in addition to basically tell them the facts that the 2nd that you get out of graduate school undergraduate school yet couple options you can pirate software that that's your choice that I'm not going to say yes or no that that's completely up to you you can purchase the professional version which again is the choice whether or not or you can join this community and be a part of the development of your own tools and this this and this and that and not freshman 18 old art students are pretty opening no they're going to be in for 4 years and that if they join the community that got the whole nother network they understand network effects they understand these things and then just on principle lot of them make the choice these are things that I wanna do at home and they might not have the stuff installed at school so In the severe Institute the at the time still have all the proprietary software but the thing is pretty much everyone has a laptop or some device that they can create on their own and so so you can just advise and installing say check this out check this out there's you know for different drawing programs you got once the pixels you've got ones that are part of generative off of groups of numbers like node boxes and the thing to try on guiding skate creator all the other ones that we know and so they're very receptive to that of the idea of choice is very appealing to anyone a lot and so on that's how I frame and then the idea about some cost and return on investment is very much a clear thing it's like a lot of times you get out what you put in something and artists understand that it's like if I spend 20 hours doing an oil painting and put it up an oil painting critique class know be able to see that I was blazing and they'll be able to see that I was you know really concentrating on underpainting and there's whereas if you sort of fake it in your life you know to do
something really quick it's still wet when you hang it you know you can put in the work and the professors know and so you talk about what's there but it's not really like this the same that sort of as the difference between like running the Photoshop and like throwing in a photo and doing 15 filters and being like it's an abstract work saying like I'm doing path editing and and this is a generative piece that I made from the box and important that than enough water that's where the exporter that manipulated and that this and this and this and then as those processes becomes of more embedded in the artists that may have the the flexibility to really you know blast of open their minds up to to bigger bigger things so they are some cost for I lose their 10 hours that I spend learning photoshop but I gain a community free software for the rest of my life and a new way of thinking so that is the movement to wanting upon carpenters union comic art students and people can't brought my program cracked rapidly to tractably by it's like the idea of controlling own tools and a and B so many of our students coming there I don't really have a concept of programming and conduct inspired to much CD like possibilities of being in control of their own cognitive lonely much realizing that if you really want to do something to actually have to dig down and become rotorcraft technical so to enable cannot respond horizons so the good news is that there's a lot of schools that are encouraging people to back on both physically and on the encoder and and the tools that are used mostly are a little controllers that you go from like USB out into a controller and then it's got a series of reports that you can plug different items and things in and there are classes offered in that specific like hardware half and then there's also a class is more oriented towards like what's called circuit bending where you crack something opening you try and make it a little keyboard make funny noises by just soldering up whatever you think might work and
and then along that process it means that there is this is the way things work is if you do a lot of like reform exploration and then you do like student nudging where it's like 0 I see that you're sort of experiencing this while how about this this and then you sort of keep letting them make choices along the way and on regarding coding I think there's classes and processing of which is a little bit easier think for a lot of people make the transition between like straight command line stuff so you can like test things in a like a visualization thing make esthetic choices and that kind of rights code back in and you know that the visual like that the physical outside of the the body versus like your substructure like your bones is very much I would equate those things and so it's like they need to see both because they're not just making like coding choices they don't have the capacity to do that until they get far enough this effect OK understand how this works
on an ascetic way I can make these choices without that because I know what it will provide but that 1st beginning part there really need visual stimulation and then there's people that have come in with with coding experience and usually it's HTML Aleksandr JavaScript's of actions the things that they have more of you know how it works so that it's easier to teach without the visual but since I personally don't have that experience that's not my field I'm more of the abstract thinking long-term thinking like business that kind of stuff so we talked about how you get your students to enter into the community and are you encouraging them to be known participants in the communities for say for instance Inkscape care who they may actually be able to influence developments and novel books on how similar the way that I see that my role and that is just encouraging participation on it's usually feature requests and and those types of things like if you don't see this you can actually ask for but I don't know how that's ever
worked out on whether or not it's actually happened but that's usually wait a sec what can you contribute like in in my own personal life of the speaker that make the where support open source is probably like 10 or 15 dollars at the time and it's usually for someone think again my phone's really important to me in terms of for photographing itself and unfortunately Nokia doesn't support Linux and there's a kid somewhere in Europe that you know he he has a tool a constant interest since it automatically like that's really important to me so I helped the development that way and then I encourage things like that like if you could that's what I meant to say she's the consumer given that's the due unit to which is the i again that the program part of it but it's it's just go back to your question on the other thing they can be like services like OpenCalais part and and things like that sharing is is very much a culture now because of the instance since instant nearly of that's so that's that's it that's not going to change it's going to get even more instant and not more remote can be out in the world and I think that's part of being an artist is really cool like the check out this drawing adjusted snap a photo send it out do it that way so I can see that if features were added to the image adding software we could be like export to x social network or export to paying FM have blasted out like a shotgun shell across the whole Internet that's also then be a really positive thing if you could add matter to that like the offer a man like right Exif data on whatever you put in like that would be a super useful tool for artists because you'd be able to instantaneously get things from your computer wherever you were on on the web with sort of data all in 1 simple export that would this is amazing and that you know you can even set up like upload rules would seem like a good if open clip-art this course that it would be happening in real time so you as a developer you can select all what tools that you think that you know what brushes are popular on so yes you were over time will conclude with most basic as pleasure also