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As the crusade against sharing of the entertainment industries goes on, we may be about to lose the most precious tool we ever had for exercising our fundamental freedoms and practicing democracy: the Internet. How the future moves of those desperate, yet powerful industries would radically alter the shape of the Internet? How the ACTA agreement may durably bypass democracy and hurt or freedoms? How to react efficintly as a citizen?
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and hello everyone thank you for being here and Germans in man and the cofounder and spokesperson of this it is an organization that could larger that um the quality of the it is a kind of features
into the box we're of basically a bunch of activists with quite some experience with the legislative process and what we're providing tools for citizens for everyone to understand what is going on when fundamental freedoms are threatened on the internet and tools for everybody to participate in the public debate in the Democratic debates at to to make one's voice heard in those issues we've been very much active in France
and in Europe on the EU level on the European Parliament in the last months and
years and uh you may have heard of the nefarious idle people in France although the telecoms package and on the EU level or act on you hear more about act out later
and and what I want to discuss with you today is this is is a very disturbing trend of copyright law to be used more and more of the tool to and herds of fundamental freedoms to of freedom of expression privacy to it's a right to a fair trial and to discuss together on how we might find ways to counter this how we might build use together to collectively address those issues so when in the mind set of
the entertainment industry where do the whole all the world's is covered by a bunch of pirates and we have to imagine performance we have to to imagine that a man that is widely spread is for each it's like the some exists we have to believe that the pirates existed the parents or those evil people who don't like culture we don't like artists who killed the artists were killed industry and we have to to to believe for 1 moment that file sharing is literally killing music killing dioxin killing movies so when those industries I realized what was going
on with the Internet and with Napster in 1990 you remember the the story that tried
1st of all to so individuals to go to court to hire very expensive lawyers and to try to get examples of call decisions where people would be convicted where people would be found guilty of piracy harming hurting killing and so on and then vote that this would lead to people who just stopping doing it well you all know the rest of the story so far it's in at the trade as we say on the internet and so the the individual's issuing of people was a failure so this was the version 0 .
something that that's going 0 . 1 0 0 . 2 of the the war against sharing that those industries are waging right now then along the years they came with new new ideas of schemas and then there was the election of Nicolas Sarkozy in France uh when Sarkozy was elected John Kennedy was the head of IFPI i that is the the main worldwide lobbying for recording industry said all with these guys we have a change in that will promote or ideas so was how could you got elected data had a way to move to experiment with their new scheme and you all heard of the other piece low the 3 strikes so cool among you didn't didn't hear about the other piece this quite a few well well you don't miss anything all you have to to know is that you don't want 1 at home and well with in that key the entertainment industry voted could subvert the resources of the state In
order to make justice more efficient in their view more and more and more more faster and get more decisions and therefore people would be more this you of sharing so in this scheme of other PU of some kind of administrative or sorry so it's not it's not uh um uh courts a sort of judicial authorities in and mistreated body that did complaints from the entertainment industry itself so that's private actors from the entertainment industry that sense complain 2 that's administrative bodies that administrative sends an e-mail saying or what you're doing is wrong you should stop and so on and then if it
continues its sense of a male physical or paper made in May of dead wood and and then if it if it continues In the 1st version of the low uh day administrative authorities sent in all their to the internet service provider of that person in order to cut off that person from the internet literally cut the wire disconnect that person from the internet and so this is why you see this small cheery bunch of flowers here is
because this this is an epic fail but also by itself the Constitutional Courts of France across a constitutional give a decision it was the real long-term political battle for
years that we we let against the government to make everyone understand clearly that's the cut off of Internet access is in no no way a sanction that could be taken in a democracy we also need to make them understand quite a few points about having an iterative authority giving sanctions about having private cooperate actors collecting evidence and so on and so on and and then when the law was voted the Constitutional Court's you should that decision I encourage all of you to to take a look at the paragraph 12 of the decision that is you can find base reference 2009 uh minus 518 In that decision the height is jurisdiction of a small country name France said given the importance of Internet for the democratic participation and the expression of ideas and opinions freedom of expression implies the freedom to access to the internet so
this is what we we want in the in the the political battle of the other people this is very important for for us and for the future of our actions indeed and therefore saying that the constitutional court said so access to the internet is mandatory for freedom of expression therefore you cannot have an administrative authority that would restrict freedom of expression it has to be the judge therefore it overturned the law and removed the sanctioning power from that of the administrative authority so you all heard of Nicholas of good personality of that being able to listen 21 and just doing stuff so the government came back with a neural that people to the region of the vengeance of the of the administrative authority when the the whole process is the same but in the end instead of altering the sanction of the other piece sense this year to higher level to the judge to the judicial judge so it is supposed to be compliant with the constitutional decision well this is why we think other people is dead wood at the moment is because they're trying barely trying to make it to work so for 1 year there's been sending e-mails um the budget of adaptation 12 million euros a year out of French taxpayers money so they mostly higher communication services and in that the MIT Press really is and sends flyers to to schools and things like that of sharing his kids don't do this at home and so it's we we made make that that's we're convinced that the data the Adobe would eventually try to send goes you to the judge the judge will look at the thing and put it in the trash can and
now you come back with evidence that those IP addresses strings of 0 and once collected by private actors are in no Democrats any kind of evidence so this is all bad the that of other people is that by influencing people by making them afraid by sending all those e-mails
saying all you will risk so much you will be cut of whatever whatever people will just be scared of it so as long as people are not scared about of P
and a p doesn't work and uh this is why we we say that this is an epic fail well this is an ongoing epic fail on a political point of view for the French government at the moment so this
was version let's say 1 . 0 of that policy against sharing and he said in no other country France such a policy will be put in place it custom lots it costs a lot to the taxpayers but it also cost a lot integrating everybody to watch this carefully so that the French government to blows and blows and bows and uh we we we talk with this members of the parliament that was that even today rock right wing members of the Parliament that say to us that when they go to the to the marketplace is on the Sunday morning just you know to to shake hands and show how beautiful the Smiley is and how much it would be to have them reelected something when they shake hands they they have young people get a coming at them and think why handle the what the model p he was reading really a strong political social debates in French society and when you talk privately with the members of the of the right-wing majority they use additive as an example of a bad that is being force-fed to them and that they are forced to vote so you are in the in the shoes of the entertainment industry is any you you tried to stew individuals didn't work you try to to change the policy of a horse states to so that's the means of the states to make all these go faster or more efficiently and so on but it variance then what you do as the next step is a version 2 . 0 of the scheme
and how many among you ever heard of act well that's well that's quite a lot of so maybe you know already or all I'm I'm saying already and act is a wonderful well wonderful on on on the cynical perspective but it's it's a very obvious example of how those industries all powerful and how they're able to severity democracy to bypass democracy to 2 to circumvent public opinion In order
to laughter what they want so Act I is well it's a very complex issue it's a very complex doses but this is something we can really holds up in the air as a smoking gun as an evidence of what those industries are doing to a societies and toward Democrats isn't toward the legal system so act of forwarded a few of you who didn't hear about it so far is that that Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement so it is supposed to be a trade agreement hence the name trade agreement of those agreements that States strike together like for instance when the US go to some African countries and say OK we we continue to buy your cocoa or coffee or whatever but you will sign these agreements about selling your oral and whatever but expensive I thing we need to build mobile phones or something to us so usually and trade agreements involved trade the trading of goods but in the case of is is mostly about copyright patent and trademark issues initially actor is about bolder measures so what the custom of Fisher's officers can do on on the ball to when the goods enter the country or leaves the country try to to to block containers of stuff of whatever
but right from the beginning we heard that act of would also involve legislation legal regarding the internet so for a sometimes we were in some kind of a haze some kind of fog but we didn't have access to anything that was into the fact that agreement because it was negotiated in secret but since the end of 2006 it was negotiated by 39 countries including the 27 member states of the EU represented by the European Commission and so we couldn't know what was happening into its unsealed WikiLeaks and make some version of the text of draft version of the text something like early 2008 circuit during the year of 2009 so we we we sold In those links what act that was trying to do with the Internet and this is got confirmed over time it was very difficult to go and talk to the politicians about it when we talked with the the negotiators of act up they were talking to us in a very uh rude or condescending manner saying yeah but those leaks you're talking about we don't even know the theory real or not and we want authenticate them anyway so you get the fuck out of it or was the best at this message and so we had to to go and confidence members of the European Parliament so that the pressure on the European Commission so you to make some draft version of the agreement were officially published and then we could know what we were talking about so I'm
talking and end of 2009 or early 2010 and so the this came of those industries when the enforcement on the level of individual fails remember you go to the state level to try to optimize it to make it more efficient but it fails as well therefore the objective is to push enforcement closer to the core of the network enforcement at as close as possible of the network itself of the core of the network itself so uh and um I'm going to show you
some boring stuff for a moment to explain to you what i guys about use here here an article that is Article 23 so this is the
final text of the agreement because when an agreement was reached by the end of 2010 at brings for the 79 countries who negotiated new criminal offences you criminal procedures and penalties to be applied at least in cases of willful trademark counterfeiting all copyright or related rights piracy on a commercial scale and I am sure that criminal liability for aiding and abetting is available under its law so it sounds like bullshit legalese and it it is mostly but what this means well 1st of all copyright piracy on a commercial scale so far I didn't mean anything in it in any
kind of legislation but you understand that is very notion of a commercial scale means about anything if 1 million people share 1 5 then 1 can argue that well this is commercial scale if 1 makes a website that allows users to do something and then earns money through advertising well this is commercial scale if you create a new service or whatever that most people to to remix videos and then thousands of people using and then it's a commercial scale as well so this is a very very broad scope for something that is a criminal sanctions so this is something where the prison it is usually involved and you can see that is passed to apply criminal liability for aiding and abetting so aiding and abetting once again something
extremely broad when your an internet service provider for instance 1 can could argue that you are the betting the use of bit torrent your users when your uh you choose and your lawyer users to to put whatever video they want to put on it you can argue that there you are copyright infringement on the commercial scale so this is really the the 2 point of all version of the wall and sharing and you make such a such a way that you make such a such a burden of a risk of very high penalty 2 weights on the intermediates of the internet which is that the internet service providers the Internet access providers you make them liable for whatever the users may be doing so this is what this is really that the key to that debate at the moment we usually don't do internet companies cannot be made liable for what the users of doing but without doubt with this new trends in copyright enforcement you will should make them liable for whatever the users of doing so you need to turn them into some kind of private copyright policy formal boring legally you see here that each Party shall ensure that allow expenditures remedies to prevent infringement and remedies which constitutes a deterrent to further infringements so I don't know if among you are people with technical backgrounds but people who is a technical background could try to imagine what would be in technical terms a deterrent to further infringements further infringement by definition are infringement that didn't happen yet that may happen so what is clearly aimed for in in this kind of effect
is the filtering of content that automating of filtering of content the automating of removal of contents of looking like this or very extreme measures like this so with this agreement with respect the objective I told you wish to to turn Internet companies into private copyright cops In order to make them useful while the method is available including filtering of content including the removal of automatic removal of content and so on and so on
so 1 1 mean uh 1 bit of text that we see the all around in those but he's those
data that is part of that 2 . 0 scheme to make the war against sharing and the war against the public is this notion of promoting
Cooperativa enforced within the business community to effectively address trademark and copyright or related rights infringement so you understand that this notion of cooperative efforts but also called voluntary agreements or in the UK a Memorandum of Understanding is a way of making that these companies to comply with the objective of setting up those policies so it's literally and like putting a gun on the head of somebody and say yeah please do voluntarily Signed newspaper this is the kind of cooperation so this is a very disturbing trend 1st of all because all of this wasn't debated in the democratic way that was I think the objective because when you look at the debates there was in France for instance with other people you understand that those issues of what should be done or not with the internet are extremely from them and of are linked to the fundamental freedoms of individuals are something that is very well very important therefore you try to avoid a debate on it and this is how the the whole act of was on the whole like was was crafted so the question is what this would mean
for the internet what this would mean for everyday life so you see maybe this image before several times in the last month the US there is department of justice you should all others directly to the icon the i can that manages to . com but all org . net domains to make them or remove some domains from the internet In the name of copyright there were a torrent sites or whatever watch gasoline side whatever things that were infringing on copyright or trademark or whatever so this is a very clear examples when for some reason for copyright trademark reason you pressure and intermediary of the Internet In order to force them to remove a horrible book horrible it's a horrible part of the internet this is literally parts of the Internet being shut down without anybody being able to do anything about it so in this case the kind of actions but those industries want intermediates to take this is 1 example among many and this is what must make you think also what would be a the Internet each copyrights trademarks and patents well but pretext that could use such actions well actually you have a very good example here at the public up because there's no internet so you can always see what what it is and how difficult it is to be without internet and without bits of the the Internet but and this is a very serious matter and we have to ask ourselves what to do about it so there is 1 of parts of an answer that lies in the the European Union institutions and the act of agreement has the final step before it can enter into force in the you which is a votes by the European Parliament the whole European Parliament will have to say yes or no to act of and this will be a historical occasion for all of us to participate into rejecting it into having it rejected so we don't know yet wonders what will happen possibly before the summer break most probably after this is a new procedure since the Lisbon Treaty where had do do the whole parliament would have to with yes or no there will be no no other possibility for amendments or anything yes or no so stay tuned subscribe to the RSS feed on Twitter feed a like with children at or whatever all states you into next political the sources of information about those issues and this is 1 occasion we will have to defeat such qualities but on the issue of act out there you
might be the key might be useful for us to to to to win but also there are very this study process going on within the European Commission
the markets the general director of the European Commission held by the French Commissioner Michel Barnier once again I'm sorry it's always friends anyway and the market the G of the Commission is right now working out the revision obstacle to write framework of the EU maybe do that I pretty directives school I print for intellectual property rights enforcement Directive it's 2004 directive that
broadens the scope of what should be considered as cordierite enforcement and the 1 the Commission initiates the revision of such severity it doesn't ask itself maybe we did it wrong maybe we should go backwards maybe
there is another way than blind enforcement in the digital environment no no no it asks how could we go further and how could be targeted more the Internet how can we be more enforced and how can we enforce more and so there is a process already going on when the the Commission launched its consultation the the the questions asked to the general public well usually do you think we need more tools like what is an act of do you think we need more criminal sanctions losing we should ask more to the internet companies to build the police themselves on the network so it is a
constant process that the influence power of those industries is extremely strong and goes to the highest level of the EU institutions so it is very nice to think of the European Parliament as a democratic institution it is 1 it is the the only democratic institutions in the European Union but we have to keep in mind that the core legislature with the European Parliament it the Council of the
representing the Member States that is completely or pack and complexity and accessible to us and we must also keep in mind that the Commission is this administrative body that take the initiative of the and that was through markets did you at the moment is literally taking steps like the act of to change the internet into some kind of copyright policy so this is 1 parts on the
of the answer which is acting towards the EU Institutions trying thing to make things change in the texts within the legislation and another I don't think we have to do to keep in mind is that as I told you earlier all that relies on me on on a myth the mean of the pirates the major that file sharing is hurting the economy the myth that file-sharing common sales and you can see it as it even in the act itself this is another boring parts of of the act of the damaged section the act that goes as far as saying that the judges will have to consider any legitimate of measure of value the right holders submit which may include lost profits the value of infringe good or service is measured by the market price all the suggested retail price they have
to make those 39 countries agreed together that when the industry will come to a judge and say 0 look at that that kids downloaded 1 thousand movies the price of the DVD 20 euros therefore 1 thousand multiplied by 20 is 20 thousand euros that cost industry 20 thousand euros this is exactly what so if they are forced to date if they
feel obliged to write this In the legislation if they feel forced to make this become the trophy that way then it shows the weak spots and I think it shows a exactly where we have to strike them where we have to retaliate because we all know that
wrong that this is not true we've all have experienced is the direct experience was file sharing of people among us who downloaded the 1 thousand movies and we already know they wouldn't have bolts 1 thousand DVDs or maybe we have experienced by ourselves or by others that people really who would do file sharing are actually not that bad clients for those industries and I show you here 1 1 Figure from uh and uh 0 I didn't source the image which is very very wrong OK and so you you you you have to send me an e-mail and I'll give you that the source of the study and well I'll give you the source of the city and other studies that show that lead surely since the year of Napster you can see that the dotted line here represent Napster so you can literally the and that since Napster the number of concert performance literally means in the US it is exactly the same in Europe at the moment you can also see that the album's there's 1 2 up and down exactly like the vinyl sales went up and down like the concept sales went up and down and so on and so on every new products goes up and at some point the Cs and then goes down and so as soon as you can see here as you will see in many other studies of ice I source this time after was everybody was not linked to those industries and make a study and make independent study on the issue shows that the economy it is not heard that badly that maybe the CD sales are going down but there are some other parts of the country that are going up this is the constant sales exceeded the ticket sales for the same amount if you the sale of iPods or other M P 3 players if you the sale of video
games and so if you just look at the data but you see that's what the industry is saying is just plain wrong this is part of a study that was literally commissioned by the at the peak itself begins its logo on on top so this is the administrative body I told you about earlier from the French governments that is supposed to track down there you will find shares that are so much hurting sales and white shows is how much people spend for cultural groups in red other people however a so-called illegally used off the internet and the number of the people who have legally used and you can see that
the 1st ones are people who do not spend
at all for culture people who do file sharing so so few compared to people who do not function people was banned from 9 to 19 euros you can see that the people who do file sharing are spending more 20 to 30 21 this 31 to 299 and you can see that the people spending more than 100 euros a month on 9 per cent among the people doing fashion as opposed to 5 cent among the people who do not so and this is confirmed by
a study from the government of Canada by his study
from the government of Neverland by that the from the so the institute in Germany and so on and so on and you can find all those for a set the non exhaustive combinations that you can find this URL that shows the chili that people who do them all file sharing of the people who spend the more money those are study that shows also that file-sharing might have a very small impact under the drop of sales of physical goods if not a neutral impact and some studies even conflictual positive impact
the most UK once show that they would be a small impact on doctors that say the more a neutral impact on most artist and the positive impact on the on that fill the let's so the fracturing would be some kind of progress is fact that will take more money from people who
already sell a lot and that would give back money to people who don't have much so I don't have to you to believe that 100 % to be convinced by that but even if you don't believe it just
consider that there is a margin for adopt that's what the industry is saying it may not be completely true that when they say that file sharing is just killing the world and the artist and everything and there's blood on the walls it may not be true so I think this is 1 very important sports a very important weak spots where we can hit them we can take those 2 years we can make them a more explicit more public we can and education so to say or elected representatives John and the general public and we we can work collectively to counter this mean from the industry that file
sharing is a bad thing actually all of those figures although studies demonstrate that sharing helps culture and it's it's something that we we know that we we feel inside when you you like a record when you like to book what do you do with it do you look at down all do you try to lend it to as many people you like when when you you like reading do you go to 2 libraries where people share books or do you just stay in your room was your own book so it is it is evident in every major step of history we have witnessed that that the more culture is proud the more it is a life think of all the the so-called modern art movements in Twentieth-Century things of the surrealist since of fluxes everybody will innovative who created new things out of culture that inspiration from previous works the inspiration from the peers nobody can create out of nothing this is this is a mess this is something that is simply untrue so this is once again I think some
very simple idea a very simple political message that we can spread that we can build altogether to counter that influence from the entertainment industry is all about sharing complete stealing looting pirating the evening clearly whatever it is all about
Sharing and there is no culture without sharing so the situation is that 2 days we have and really allegedly open and free therefore unusual Internet between all hands we still have that freedom of expression that is followed by the internet we can you will see that the example of the DNA of spring we can build the movements we can organize movements we can organize evidence that can have an impact on whole or political regimes that can easily change societies and we have industries that literally want to destroy the that want to destroy the capability
of everyone to use the Internet to share and to participate in culture and to participate in society so ask yourself what you should do with Internet what you should do with your blog was Twitter few with all those digital to is you have between your hands we have to to make it clear for everyone that the Internet that digital culture that digital technologies are made for sharing that the zeros and those ones cannot be stopped cannot be blocked on the left you destroyed all that would be and journal societies into police state or whatever things nobody would consciously choose to live in so it I think we're at a major turn in all societies we have never been so much connected and at the same time it below has never been such violent attacks on of freedom such as such as the reaction of the US Government on WikiLeaks for instance such as what may be prepared for the upcoming G 8 that will be hosted by France and sorry once again and when the goal of that could be said several times that he wants to make it that state of a civilized Internet which
is basically a term that was invented in China to describe the Chinese Internet so the what those industries allied with those politicians are building at the moment has the potential to lead truly alter the shape of the Internet and it should be block us from doing what we want to do and what we want to do is share so once again we have to explain it we have to make it clear and
we have to stand fault that right that we have of sharing the things will yeah that's it but the
the FIL B and thank you and I'm sure there are some questions an intervention life so a single distinct from there it is a microphone and then you just 1 sec just have an idea for the
8 estimate by but pink and you are so smart about it and it's that is this topic on the the instance terms agenda from is it possible to do we're comparing 2 of them uh sensibilize the European Parliament members that but I think you're planning and kind of I don't know it on their on an island island is that's the view of that change in the kind of Ireland it's in Deauville inference
so it's it's some kind of islands and I personally don't believe that physical actions such as going to the Island well it was of a metaphorical I'm not geographically speaking island but it there will be so much police forces around that it will become an island so I don't believe that the legal actions like going there was a raised fist and the no no no will will be of any usefulness but definitely we have to organize uh I don't believe machine
tools centralizing actually because I think the centralized models belong to the past so I really think that we have to to to to make sure that everyone will be able to participate in its own way we we as a quot children that we we we produced use we we divide these we provide means for people to do things but it's not it's not exclusive anyone as the way to do their own of course we
will discuss uh for instance with all friends of uh of that's but can what's the name of that new new environment was created to have a stick 0 have you know you may be right and this and that sits at the and bits of freedom in the Netherlands and the Open Rights Group and uh xk and the free culture from in Spain and so on and so on and so on if you asked me what action will be I cannot tell you today because I still I still students didn't find out but it is it is clear that we need to organize and that we need to use the Internet for that and yes state units for us
for some more exciting complaining yeah there's but short statement from me but there's a lot of talking about the content site so they should not be able to to control the content and therefore we so we
should fight for the freedom to that's pretty much the main problem is that the Internet itself cannot be free because it's all based on commercial structures and it's based on cops I only all the guy it is all part you so this is the
of we we for yeah no the also I actually really
really building our on the internet has area that all that into may come sooner than later there
there are a lot of several interesting questions in what you ask 1st of all is the question of the the merger between Telecom uh groups telecom companies there is no dual player internet service provider in Europe I think but they were all of sudden by telecom operators that are merging with media groups and so on so we have a concentration in Internet providers that is comparable to the
concentration medium and that should be addressed as a policy problem as a policy question and that that's the first one that I think is relevant then this concentration gives
incentive for those actors to restrict to more and more active and that reaches the net neutrality and that's another issue I could have talked about for 1 hour and I really think we need to to address this once again by police he by declaring that Internet is a commands this common good and therefore must be protected today in France was really is a very good sometimes good things happen in France that's there rare very good parliamentarily reports about net neutrality that's 2 members of the parliament 1 conservative right wing and 1 socialist left-wing that together really this 80 pages document with recommendations about how to efficiently protect net neutrality for freedom of expression for innovation for open business and so on will be working probably tomorrow morning will be released or the English press release about its along with translated bits of the report and we will try to to publish more of it so this
is also 1 part of the answer and others the question that was something here and uh try to to address is what we we do when they will have finished to break the internet into part when they will have turned the Internet into televisions phytoplankton uh and make it useless then this is the moment when we
would have to reinvent the Internet and rebuild it's maybe from scratch we need the geeks we the hackers will build the Internet once I think we will be able to rebuild its and to build it again twice so this is when we will put the engine as on the role this is when all the frightful people an open measure board will be the new the new architecture and for this we need an open spectrum beneath that that a loss people to use airwaves for free without a license and this is also 1 very good news that we obtained yesterday in the European Parliament was amendments we pushed on the recommendation of the European Parliament about you spectrum policy that that adopted it has to be confirmed in plenary but that literally Olos and usage of airwaves so we might have a small window of opportunity here to rebuild the internet from that if the money from the
funding and and I'm heavily but I have a legal background I work for point of view a so-called which is the magnetic academic Association of 5 thousand IP post them in the broader sence mostly Loyalists starts but also from industry also from the copyright owner and the whole range of creative people and and I'm I'm responsible for international affairs so i have before committee of European Commission strategy is not pay 50 and and I agreed to a lot of points that you have but I would like to add 2 things
because I think you think that get a maybe mention that what's going on in the time direction and it is true that I think that on the national level and government didn't really managed to influence the way they wanted to to control so they put it on the
European level and on the international level and the active process has shown that it had been out of you know a democratic process so this was a noted even by that play conservative IP lawyers and and the other thing is that the European Commission right now with the whole packets of IP and measures is very much pushing on IP protection at the moment so that the change at the moment and that the whole package not only as far as sharing of copyrighted the patent law is the trademark and a whole review of the try not to them so there's a lot of things going on and and what wasn't mentioned here which is very important for you is that's and to remind you don't within shots had been replaced by the lobbyists felt this was something very relevant so he can be prepared to a lot of link interface the intermediate and doing and my point is that I think that you know I would an academic associations mother lobbies Association and the most important and academic and intermediate dealing with the same stuff and you and you may know that they have kind petition against act of and there is an the whole group of academics in Europe that have signed a petition against that and I think that there are 3
ways to know counter lobbyists it should think of the counterbalance attended the it's the European Parliament you have noticed that for lobbying with European Parliament representatives academics I think you should try to contact get in more closed attached with academic because especially in
Germany you may not know it but I know that I know the active at the Max Planck Institute and the and then the change of some of the theory of and what effect of generation so that a lot of people who think more in the spirit than you do and that changing their values especially at the Max Planck Institute very important change in Germany for that the user talk to these people could if you want to put the views through because they they have a lot of influence and European of the European Commission they talk to them every day about
really on the hello bases and the 3rd thing is I think it was just a little bit we should live the trust the courts because I think that the courts do control lot and and also on the on the German level we assume that they have and turned down to that thing and also the the European Court of Justice it's getting more difficult when the law is changed so you have to block it before the changed and I think this goes through a dialog with them and that the industry it will be difficult but the academic world and and through this because of the parliament but that's my impression that I this is my work that little retained so some people are listening but it's going to be more difficult now especially on the complement of appointment charts and clear thank you for
your comment is true that I should have mentioned that the change in the European Commission where that former I have the eyes of the international law before phonograph produces for record producer is
becoming the person in charge of copyright in the European Commission is really a sign of something it's true that you we were trying to get to talk with as many people as we can but I take your point that going into to the academics may not be as the year may not be as conservative as as they might have imagined and also when you mentioned other policies related to trademark and patent said it all obvious that yeah pattern can go really wrong you know especially when it took up patterns on the and and things like that but that the main difference I think from that patents trademarks and copyrights is that patent and trademark mostly applied to cooperation and economic actors you could argue about software patents but I think that just the book in the patent system should not should not exist but copyright for the 1st time in in its
history is now turned against the public it is turn against individuals the the what was obvious 20 years ago was copyright being based on the capacity of actors to produce copies who can produce copies of final results CDs or objects that are not high number of concept and so on I was on the commercial actors now
with digital technologies when we all have in our pockets a device capable of making millions of copies the how work then we become all the producers of copies and we become more regulated so to say by copyright so this is why I think we really have an emergency we a to right that is gone crazy that is gone you know but uh in because if it is turning against the public it is turned against individuals and it is turned against usage that we have in or own private sphere
in our own apartment sorry no in or not pocket so I think this is why I only mention copyright that thank you OK thank you very much the similar
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