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Open Source plays an increasingly important role in arts and design through Web applications and open licenses. The Networked Media design programme of the Piet Zwart Institute has, for years, employed Open Source more radically for all course work, on servers and clients, with a focus on the command line, coding and FLOSS philosophy to foster rethinking of media instead of off-the-shelf design.
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then pass the migrant 1st of all there the title of this
talk is how to write an article on open source and it connects very much to what you have said before but the title unfortunately is a little bit of libel because it's not really an entire at school but it's just 1 program inside of what's going and what about that's the piece what Institute which is the graduate and Studies Institute some of the world economy economy but I'm inside the graduate schools you have 1 master program which is called network media use your website here and this is what we're talking about an I need this is it's what commonly that's America would be called a new media programs and we have students who have very diverse backgrounds locally nationally which you can also see here at this at this event
because there's so many of our students around but also in in terms of disciplines because some of them have been previously determined as graphical web design as they and media artist activist but we also architects you can here is also around what we have a common denominator interests is that we want to critically think about digital and computer media and then go to a
to a practice where we all of us create their own media work based on the critical thinking and research and so we came up with a very simple simple formula for that because call the media design program is so it's not about designing with media but design of media and this is exactly where free software and open-source comes in because what as it provides the building blocks like the legal breaks for these this kind of self-created media practices and that actually that the 1st projects to project that we're going to show that it's not software all and it's
called the open street lamp by our current solution and usability of from Turkey and then he
just built he had received land with those of the devices that allow people to just pull the strings and switch it on and off so so passing over the control
of the central media system from the city the administration to the individual user so that's an example of that's an old media project not on in software and we have another 1 which is also supported in part of
it is but a kind of a government will give a talk here tomorrow and this is a project he did what he was doing was and is called the light right transaction modified of you bought with energies on it and the selects image that people can upload their own texts
and then paint the text into the air and if you make a long exposure photographs then you can see this this
text so also this is an example of a self-created medium on the basis of all of the technology and that yeah other speakers and participants here at the conference what is the number of students of us all objects on variance of a new life you think gave the workshop yesterday among when that when that you also get workshop I want needless to mention more people here and I personally like to another so the is no shocking and is something out of of the of the of the audience we when we talk about free and open source software we don't simply mean that we want to have a free version of proprietary software we don't want to right existing tools so we don't we don't need to to to to replace with the ship with gained maximize the Wikipedia and my i would bend and and so on it's uh to some extent in some cases this can be quite counter-productive to to to focus on on these things and it's what what we are more interested in them this to the 1st cluster as an entry point into a different media practice based on a comprehensive critical rethinking of communication is relation to technology and also we have a practical interest in non-mainstream tools and workflow provided by the by open source and free software so it's even in a different company than the new project so I don't know if well alone but I hope and so this is this quite quite quite important and then we we want to to be able to see what's going on behind the captain of office system that's where 1st is we really start to be interesting to to give a simple example also must most of us have had expands with the
1st media player that support to common audio or video could account of the books so this is a very very simple or aerobatic there's quite a lot because even in this simple frustration can trigger prodigy research and learning of contemporary issues of signatures on a larger scale control and ownership of information and technology so this is what we this it is what we think is most important uh this also puts the students in a position where i think completely out of the box and see network information in a different context than the 1 which is focused on tools for example another project that we have is from an dynamic did
uh which with the political edge 1 and 1 of its and artistic activities reflection of openness in the middle of virals sticker campaign where she to just 2 things together and the idea of social networking and to get out into the real world using them the facebook and marketing language should be said I I'm not having enough food should be set for those of you who haven't realize it difference the facebook posts on which you see on the on the Facebook homepage but H and H 1 and 1 is is the Mexican flu like virus so see created those figures and put them on public toilets on trains on newspapers sense etc etc. and a continuation of that that actually form core structure metaphor often use the example of vaporware which to me I'd like to just as an example of so paper being software that is discussed and never released and as an example of just to see that offers something cultural and not just a purely technical phenomenon this is a work by
a human relevance uh non immigration and playing with indeed taking can immigration law and formatting in the format of the Linux man page open source software that confront students with the fact that software developed in communities with differing philosophies approaches and priorities often more than 1 tool may exist to a particular task the solution to a problem may lie in making contact with the right person people and online community or perhaps ultimately even involving direct contact with developers of software or even perhaps becoming part of that over the development process to serve as
a 2nd actually on on this is another example from
kind and and remember rapidly and so on yeah this is another work by recover graduation project and all-cause realize 2 years ago and what is this you see a mixing desk and you see here the display of text achieves a font mixing Descartes as part of a larger engine and word which allows users to become actually designed their own fonts just by mixing the parameters and then eventually pushing a button and it creates a TrueType font and and you can download and use it and this is fully based on himself with an open source software issue what is going to talk about that time but also on existing software like from 4 to 8 this is also an example of that same successful media designed a project because it uses existing technology and it leverages the existing stock of of building tools that existing open source so using open-source as we said before it's not just simply about replacing function with him but it's also actually about the new methodologies actually her that earlier from the comfort just that can in fact it can be a a dismal failure if you just to views began with the same kind of construction of how you would teach photoshop for for instance and it's the only remaining invites unfavorable comparisons are an interesting comparisons and in the cave so traditional kind good design is often equated with notions of simplicity and seamlessness and we see that open source free software often really reveals is powerful in this way that it frustrates that and reveals underlying assumptions decisions that are made in the design of software confronting the user to take a more active position in deciding how they want to work I with what tools and on what terms and a related to kind ideas also the 2nd question easiness easy thrown around a lot income suffered decisions this a project called the Web
suicide machine which is a very kind of interesting product take that on you know most social networking systems are of course very easy but none of them uh this is also work still going to have a change yeah that's to prevent so need yet they kind of turn on what's easy so make let's make uh leaving what exactly this book doesn't make easy and use the same kind of language and of course to various product yeah you know and another point is 1 that we ought to have the sum of the parts of the Amazon I think that's on next 1 can OK well on the the talk about that later yeah I mean this is not a
project of that was created in our course maybe some of your evidence that wasn't interfacing between Amazon . com and the Pirate bank for Firefox add-on that in effect what happens is if you browse the
Amazon com catalog and you look for example at CDs or books are are DVDs that were also Pirate Bay then this nice for free but was placed and put into the page and you would think it and Donald BitTorrent for it it took them exactly 48 hours until solutions receive injunction that about Amazon . com 's lawyer and so main highways is also an example how you can for example think of interface design and using existing technologies in that case it was was was a very simple greasemonkey script them
with a very simple tool creates a very
interesting project and so what we are critical about and how I'm afraid that's that's a direct response critical response to various presentations we are against the classical divide between the the the design of the program we we are absolutely in support of the idea of the artist program eyes think none of the projects that we have shown so far and we will be shown would have been possible it is the the the designers wouldn't have also have these these these capabilities because I think that the classical failure of new media for projects is if you have an artist on the 1 hand side who develops the idea and to technician on the other hand develops a cold and the result is disappointing because the US because of his language and it's also like programming is not just about learning about possibilities was also about learning about the possibilities and constraints of the machine so I think it's very important to have the best part of art and design education so early on in the course we have
sessions to install Linux on students laptops and typically they're on nowadays and bring laptops we often leave the original hybrid system so do so doughnut strictly necessary you can try to teach open source and we've experimented with with that formula earlier on in the last 10 or in Windows on this kind of reboot into another system is I think really key moment in the course as a to the confronting students with the question of what exactly is the computer in front of the this is an interesting image of course because this usually an image that would instill fear because this is kind of when the Mac doesn't know what's going on and yet it kind tangible tension I feel when we you know rubric reboot back into stand and this comes up but it's you know a part of the course is breaking through that glossy
veneer of polished operating system designed to just work is a crucial 1st step in understanding the computer and software as socially constructed assemblage of components software of legal agreements all with the constraints and but also ultimately about In a sense of empowerment about uh taking was mysterious box or a scary thing that I won't know what to do with if it is with a question mark and becoming more kind of platform for actively kind of reimagining
rethinking what a computer of suffer maybe this is the installation of Daniel history of magneto-optical web server to reach this point is quite square tricky because these these sounds very nice and very interesting but the whole process is is quite as we look for your out quite a few practical issues for example we we used to have gym 2 as a standard distribution for the course and for those the solution you can imagine it can be quite a culture shock and so the brain that then the students start to see that the thing that the greater the program of doing 2 are actually + aggressive as Linux and open-source programs so we had to do to find a solution for that and other parameters we just simply hardware support which is also a good reality check on how open source and free software interact and work at the moment so as to come with a laptop and then it's like a bit of a lottery to see what we were what will not work Can you it should fully supported by a matching working correctly is quite quite a challenge and it's not too easy to have it done in just a couple of hours or days in installed party um and not to mention the the and technical barriers and and only go quite as uh with this new this new software for all but the 1st to graphic design programs you generate whatever you want about some the so that distribution being the best entry point for beginners or anything this is really not something easy at all and finally students who are not professionally working as graphic designers to need to debate today their proprietary tools to to analyzing into into to produce some what most of the mainstream working uh so after the school of the graphic designer we we we continue to work with within design for example would fall for a certain range of flow of work and it's for this reason and it's and it's quite it's quite sad uh and it's a sad reality and we hope that with our default and the way we we show things into each we teach things we can have some kind of positive influence to to change to change that we have 1 example of this was a project by some
example you involved here in this event and they issue magazine where they interviewed and the the artists and graphic designer David right on on open source and and graphic design right also these these issues were addressed in the issue magazine that while there is also 1 of the other side to that because of low as this at the beginning of the course is called network media it's not a graphic design course and all these issues are much less pronounced will web-based work and but this work is the the way the core of of what we do and what we teach because Linux and for free software are the software that actually driving around the internet so if you wanna be professional in quotation marks and if you wanna for example design websites web applications database applications for the Internet then this is really the technology or to learn and if you want to work with this so so that also makes it natural for curriculum and still don't yeah we mentioned that earlier that the switch to 2 they must have a little bit later in the curriculum start in 2002 and and the force which came in 2006 I shorten this part of the little bit but 1 of the the reasons was in the event that students about their own laptops and despite the installation problems as and once you have the laptops running the outside of the next is it provides environment system 1 platform across all kinds of stuff words and sentences from at books to notebooks designed for Windows or even stuff that that is more exotic and as we saw in that year 2006 that suddenly 1 also students have no it's running on the computer so that they stayed on it and use that were 1st of all because it was a platform that they could all help each other about secondly also it was really impressed by this generation of students but then which is called fluke many of the people that I mentioned because precisely because it was different so Apple only advertisers thing different but the system is not really different limits is different and that actually it provides a lot of interesting artistic opportunities but just to mention 1 thing that the so-called standards and proprietary designs of the unfortunately is very much a product of the 1980's it it it it is I mean it's also sort this out in the 19 eighties but is it was designed was created in the time before the internet the what where existed and that the basic concept of all these programs if you take the Photoshop Illustrator things get is to analog classical analog sought to model analog accessible design tools so photoshop replacing the from the doctrine of things get drawing table in design the layout and now this would be partly also we must say criticism of the open source really applications that that try to provide alternatives to these programs and so we would say that the the great thing about a program like for example the game is not that it it is provides a drop-in replacement for Photoshopped but if I go to the next page is work by the British
artist Graham Harvard and who has also been against additional program so this is a problem that was sent by we don't have the time to to prevent like what this is generated web script that uses the game on the web so to to create these Indian graphics based based on image from you cannot do this with Photoshop and this is the great thing about open source software that is programmable that is networked that allows kind of workflows that are not just the modelling of traditional analog of workflows so I just want to know more that to add to the Inkscape love that's been kind of coming from today I just sit and talk a little bit about just that thing that and friends and things get to me as a teaching tool super interesting because exactly how it bridges 2 worlds not a question of like text on the command line only or the green but actually for instance escape this is really exciting because you can show how you can open up a graphic interface make a drawing saving open rename it as a STG look at the source code of it inspects that make it PHP file and a loop of performance or open it again in Inkscape and now you have results produced so partially by and partially by script and you can manipulate it by hand again it's a kind of fluidity of moving from the contextual to the from the graphical to the textual from thinking kind of the and manipulation to kind of more symbolic thinking is very powerful tools in between the 2 so what's the well there's nothing really bad with the with the we degrees but there are some issues in and these these programs that they all stem from the original Greek running the family of desktop metaphor and the 1 that has ruled from Xerox PARC to well even the the iPad 2 today we are completely locked in these in this sort of metaphorical of computing and as useful as it is for a user access to the team In some cases uh design work it's often become becoming an obstacle and an audience as it was 1 presentation before when I was so this is some kind of struggle with with with desktop application to get something that could have been done differing and committee defined what for much more efficiently and the weapons that looks artist into this constraint workflows and 1 of the program that could be a risk fall application that tries to liberate proprietary software and make some kind of one-to-one year is that those software you should you should keep in mind that they are there is some kind of positive feedback going on mainstream commercial output continued pushes yourself to design to the direction of facets in even more mainstream commercial output so you always need to to think that you have your modem might be already flowed all wrong and to start with and we also have to say that well this this feedback loop that that commercial but needs created but more software tailored to commercial needs and everyone thinks it must be the standard but we can't say it's not even true for the commercial world because of
last year we had a conference call prediction and we had 1 of the most most commercial this graphic designers of the Netherlands perform from local and and what did he said he said well his parole had abandoned all Adobe soft and they did all the graphic design corporate graphic design with Python programming tools why he said well I have their clients like that of a long and they wanted to do to design approaches 32 different different languages I cannot reason we do that with with with a within design so it's all about I've thrown away and then we create everything with program tools and not only there is also a whole new generation of and graphic visual design is in in the
Netherlands right now this is the conditional designed manifesto by them Jonathan talking about us also designers who really come from a classical graphic design background but all the work they do is generated using programming and then another example would be I would be
and the sum that the designer group catalog to read from and the based on model as well in the they need for example to infographics for wire for news release and all infographics because it's too complex and it's it's a process and a lot of immense databases into visual design is all using programming tools in order to realize this isn't the last example would be the Dutch design group
clusters from their homepage that they all do this the generative designed to if you really look at their elderly of their years well OK so so what we can really say if you look at the most cutting-edge contemporary graphic design from the Netherlands at the moment think we can say practically completely involves computer programming often the designers had to be use rather crude text for example developed scripting additions for illustrator or or instead use AppleScript in order to control Hui elements that then there is elements according to an algorithm etc. so what we can say that for this kind of design work which really is a contemporary design work and and in this time of the kind of functions that sort of the free software offers like programmability like networking architecture design this is huge opportunity for for open source software to take the take over this feels a and this this opportunity should also be seen by the developers of the software they should not strive for mimicking the next Photoshopped feature about Robert tried to push the sovereign to that direction if you want to listen to us my I think at this point we're going to talk a little bit about under the
uh 0 that's something else may have which is of dimension and the but just to show indeed not unlike many of the preceding presentations talking about a little bit of the infrastructure in general we would find is that the language well and then we need to decide this is in the river wiki it's quite super important uh take a place to combine
both code in this case in regular expression
work uh with actual site and enjoy fact that students both both the code and of course the results that they get kind of inspiration to others that's something else we
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then to finish with the with the way in which the uh it's assemblage physically fall the where the assignment of the student and we also try to to go beyond the the the the the usual to but for example was teacher switch addition control to to the Savonius tried to push them to use to use fall for their work and have some and that now we have 6 to replace dim to with when to 0 but always in the optical carrier when to because is the path to start on but around to break it and take it apart and remove all the bloat and only keep which you which you really really need to and we have also service for students with such icons so it sounds completely by maybe all trivial but remember it's not a kidney so let's when we have OK I'm going all of you have talked about this define the presentation were practical issues but there's also a theoretical issue we mentioned at the very beginning we set for us the free software open source is an entry point into media criticism and media criticism media theories with integral part of our study programmes and we must say well we have the example of the codec but we also have to say that well for better or worse open source is not a magic bullet in that respect it's not a replacement for critical media theory and then we have to question and so for example the the notion of open source is it's free software is very much linked to the notion of open systems the Open Systems theory was developed from the forties through the sixties by the Austrian American biologist from of that on the it's historically and philosophically very closely connected to the ideas of a couple of the Open Society and of the the Austin American economist of the time X on on the open economy and all these 3 work like closer together and then we can say and the idea was based political liberalism and also economically liberalization in of the Chicago School of Economics and made this actually is a strong political movement and if you look at an open-source manifesto-like the Cathedral and the Bazaar about others Raymond after 10 years well it is based on various similar problematic notion that somehow you just have to create an open system you have to literate everything and then you will have a free flow and self organizing system that will provide the best tools and the best goods for 1 that I think that that the most need to be questioned just as we see that all the financial system just the free flow of goods and currencies that doesn't solve global economic problems so the free software is that is a point to start critical media thinking but it's not the solution to a and then you know and we also have to say that that not school is not a lot of development projects that's that's another point that is where you you have to do their so I'm not trying to squeeze everything and so that when when things get back into the 3 months a very narrow government society and what they would be quite quite positive saying that yeah well Princess impressive to achieve some kind of world the relation and but it's it's not quite like that is actually quite quite horrible what's going on if you look at the cloud to cloud magic cloud and all the embedded devices with does media players and even especially when mobile phone to the begins the free software has been completed validated it has been the use as cheap prejudiced action and only for where the technology is it's becoming disposable or coder uh too quickly uh good produces yeah product and then for them away quite a few months after so this is really important for 4 hours because investigating such question is exactly what makes an acidic program like like I was more engaging and hopefully had 1st to ever
larger vision of of media and design and what we have to say well if we talk about our school as 1 that is to say engaging with with open source and free software very slowly then it still means we so school and the school is not an open-source development project so so our students are not fully a volunteer community right they're
brought together with the institutional score you cannot force collaboration there also assignments this assessment etc. etc. that makes the schools structurally different from flows development project but still we think that there are a number of let's say issues on the principles and fast development that I teach really good lessons to art schools and that's how we want conclude our talk in and Michael you can begin so in order to have sort of going after the 1st thing we do 1 and that would be a good and yes I think actually would I was thinking it would be nice
and it is just a kind of uh last uh student work to show some it's piece works with Wikipedia's so indeed this is article of the graphics meaning indeed you can view histories in
Wikipedia as you know uh probably it in this form so this is working on and make a final command uh a piece called epic and it was a way kind of
alternative way of the dramatically representing that uh history and this is another question of just sort of pipeline kind of project that taking that existing information that's already there and just and give it a kind of unique way of looking at uh so it provides a sort of theatrical cuz is actually
just a very small last recent changes and translates yeah that information like additions as into things and I and finally at
the 2nd to last so that they all caps added and which had made me laugh a little bit hidden things that
was OK if we if we look at the Open Source today's 1
just a few things that we we now we want we want to keep that and tell it to students in it's out of all this methodology and all that is really the reason only of so we communicates really that when an archive which using free culture licenses that's really important so that don't just use free to is basically the tries try to understand how this whole thing is working and see if you can integrate this this complex ecosystem don't creation and that's really important do not designed from scratch but we use work try to work activities and the yeah the famous a last standing on the shoulders of giants apply perfectly to the way our students are working at no cost and a very important Cyc project collaboration outside of the institution and of the of the use of the Internet for this and we have to say that these principles that especially like don't justify creation and reuse other words document that that these are really hazardous and not just for the occasion but we think for the arts system contemporaries all so this is what we also seeing the larger picture and the larger implications of the and this is how we will conclude thank you very much for few conclusion so I can't imagine a better way to end the 1st day of graphics meeting and we can take maybe to questions now and then move outside because it's been a long day is there anyone that look like to ask a question that is some wants to ask a question to these 3 gentlemen behind the table so we stop OK no more translation OK well that's a clear sign and so we won't have 10 translation and I think that we need to go maybe downstep or is it you have a question that question will not be translated unfortunately and so a lot of the that projects work and are quite interesting and but at the same time I think somewhere to berries presentation they're quite outside a lot of the realm of Inkscape gimp excetera why think there's not any interaction between these communities work and also how can that be addressed in in the in the text or not fixed just yeah is a cycle is not quite an answer the rethinking of Elizabeth I so this same as we that for example the use of the river pure dying and the use of that we have to win to even tho we have the same tools we have the same to heat and most of the same environment there is really really a different approach and I would say that the that easy and so I'm not quite sure that say that on 1 side you have people who are designing and creating art from the top down approach and on the other side you have someone we're trying to deconstruct and try to to create things from from the bottom of the point of view and is quite meaning that everything is dearest you when building code is just trying to do is a difference uh shift of of this is being how things can can be created where and and how to bridge them we have not found the answer to that well well yes and no because when I was to come come in at the beginning they they're coming from the top down environment so 1 that going through this this process of trying to learning teaching teaching them how to deconstruct uh software technologies then there is a sudden shift going on but it's quite it's not the views and maybe just what I think we're overlooking something versatile is the fact that we're all here and I think that's the 1st step to start to listen to uh have different communities can start listening to each other and try to work something out I don't think it's a simple answer for the fact that so many developers are here and so many students and teachers are here there is at least in the the way to say that there's a desire to create a bridge you screen along that I have its last question now and then we will he has a well I don't have a question I have just 2 comments 1st comment if you really want to bring culture shock to your students make them used previously or opened from and the gone this that is said that there is of graphic design and applications part of the cations opensocial
not so a false step by step the commercial application that should not copula don't think anyone is doing that think that's a both Inkscape and blood is can begin the blender there actually the opposite and I think that they should actually kind of implement them the needed features the essentials which they almost already dead and then going in the direction of the desired direction and I agree with you know they should not copies in any commercial application but something that's a blunder of dead in they kind of make it possible for users to use just the keystrokes the keyboard shortcuts for my old for the max a on land which is the think is a huge step forward to attract new users because when you go to a professional and you tell him or her hey you should do users not exist but and they ask well why big reasons and not only be before the reasons for that is that this is much more flexible and can be applied to different places so if you're given and the advantages they're like yeah but it needs a million years to get used to it and then used to what the user may want to keep a this way so I I think it the Inkscape and give give people should think about it's just you will implement a keyboard shortcuts and that kind of thing that I just as wasn't already done this just add to that and I would just say I was at the morning sessions and only encouraged actually by the fact that seen things like the chemical project and which in a sense that this idea of going back to years in our history to inspect kind what how you've come to make an image and this idea of kind of graphics software that then is taken to an extreme looking only plug-ins our ourselves documenting and these were all having good examples of again and starting maybe from the kind of conventional places but then actually with a can informed by an open-source kind of thinking and and and pushing it to extremes at so really interesting I thing is also about a fundamental questions of software design was use the question what I think you know it is there so if there's a particular let's say a student wants to make it make up a project with uh let's say and encrypted whatsoever of 4 dissidents bloggers then maybe you have to say I use almost the because that's that's probably the most secure operating systems what I mean it it it's it's think about it if if the it's if it's manageable for the students but in that the talking and let let me give you a good positive examples negative example for for positive example of image commercial software and then going beyond that well we still hear consult the office project Open Source we don't have a bit of a snack so that busy with that and in open source video we still have problems actually to have really functional of the year and it has been are getting there but but that's the 1st comprehensive for the work of all interesting because it was similar and similar works for many people but also stuck in inspiring and it's stuck in this paradigm of of the by providing them a professional alternatives to to existing multitrack editors ended using a lot of cargo cults technology and probably will be replaced by something completely different what we see in your generation via is such as circadian life and open shot is that they are now being built on on engines like energy and energy is a is a language that is is is an engine that you can run from the command line that you can run on the web server that maybe you can even builds in all that a rights based video editor based on on energy or you can build a career like Indian Life of the shots and I think this kind of approach is that really exciting and this is where the commercial software is absolutely not and and maybe you will never be because Adobe doesn't want you to run itself from the works of art and so photoshop to millions of people that they will never go that way or they will charge you propose user there so if you have thousand users fully aware application every day then you have to something along the shock of 10 thousand dollars and this is exactly why in the 19 nineties projects like Apache was good but also scripting languages like pro PHP python took over there the propriety of technologies didn't succeed and I know if you go the next step and into the media technology I think there is really a huge opportunity we live in the network weights and I think that's the opportunity for for for source of so we end with the opportunities that sounds like a good idea thank you very much