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Is online citizen media becoming a global movement? In the past years we have seen a rise in citizen and social media for free speech and political change that is characterized by the will of individuals to act. We've watched how small numbers of bloggers on all continents have mobilized large movements and new political behavior over time. What is the driving force behind this activity? And can these individual acts of online activism in countries that are far from each other together be considered a "global movement"? Ivan Sigal and Solana Larsen help lead the online community Global Voices, which reports, translates and gives voice to online citizen media all around the world. Over the past six years, Global Voices has charted the global growth of blogging and social media activism, as it has blossomed into a significant force in narrating local events for global audiences, and directly influencing political and social change.
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exchange it you chart which um no global afternoon and thank you for joining us some identical and some Latin and we're gonna
talk about home citizen media online citizen media and social movements today and I have the clicker but we're going to have a conversation already show you some
images and talking to you a little bit about ideas both about Global Voices and our history and also about how we relate to and
understand the question of of movements and social movements more broadly and its relationship to the internet and distributed populations of communities as well as
friends and his colleagues this is this is something that we
discussed a lot and Global Voices is an online community that has been growing over many years will tell you a little bit more about it and as we go along but these are some of the people behind libraries
and people who work with citizen media activism all over the world especially and in those parts of the world that we rarely hear from in an international media and we've been tracking citizen media over all these years and we've noticed now
that it's become something that really takes up a lot of space in the public consciousness I mean everybody understands Twitter and blogs and talk
about Twitter revolutions and Facebook revolution there's this whole debate on and
awareness about citizen media movements that wasn't there previously and will we wanna try and figure out is is also separate activity does constitute a global movement and what is the unifying force behind it and and why should it even matter and and I think 1 of the reasons that we're interested in identifying whether you can consider movement and that is the Celia there you can push it in a direction where you can influence whether there and you can understand it better and indeed a direction here and also it also tells us a little bit about our our relationship as individuals to to ideas about movements and we we see a very common framing for a lot of the changes in the Internet over the past 2 years about how revolutions are in some way
perhaps determined by or influenced by new technologies new information technologies and I think our contention is a little bit different it's not necessarily about a phenomenon it's about participation and intention in our in terms of our behavior and what happens when many people behave in a
similar way or understanding a similar set of concepts and applying them in different places based on their own
needs and priorities and what kind of effects so that has 1 of 1 of the things that Global Voices does is we study these ideas we study these communities and we report on them and the picture that we see is both more nuanced and more diverse and also lists of less polarizing a description of what we often see in in mainstream media
understandings of leadership in the partly because we follow it took than that that was there the previous slide
was that is the home page and today and you can see that we had styles in different parts of the world and now made by
people who have families countries and the track online discussions and explain what is happening in in that context and translate and silly China understands is media in in the places where it's in a way it's taking place here absolutely but 1 of the and 1 of the elements of that that larger story is that the
1st starting with the irony in revolts in 2 thousand and the infant protest movements around the electoral run the Iranian elections 2 years ago is
we started to see if discourse that said that if if the
movement didn't succeed in terms of setting goals and overthrowing the government then it wasn't a movement at all and I wasn't going to be successful it wasn't effective on in a lot of context that she was presented as if it was a surprise it as if it came out of some out of nowhere as if it was a grounded in history and if it was a phenomenon that needed to be understood the tackled as if it were opposite for other to what we are and because we have been researching this kind of issue for 6 years as
Global Voices and also many people in a community have been some of the 1st waters in the world starting from the mid 19 nineties we have a and and a differ somewhat different understanding that it's very grounded in long practice long history and long at and attempts to build things and try tactics and try experiments to see what might work and in a sense the around story and the Arab uprisings of last year or a combination of a story a combination of 10 years of practice it's not something new this this is and what our
website that like in 2005 2005 and then you can see it's a it's a much simpler layout much more similar to the kind of
blogs that you would you would seen then if you knew what a blog was at that point and then we did the same
kind of thing but there was much less to report that there was only a handful of bloggers in each individual country a lot of them knew each other I think that that's you know that as a part of what he is saying that it took people look at it as it comes out of nowhere
but they also think of online movements has these vast crowds that have no identity you know that that I just um unthinking masses of people but you know it's true that you you do have you do have a lot of activity in thousand people who are doing something in some cases but you also have a course and group of people individuals who are organizing things and a lot of these individuals know each other and have been working together for many years so many of the people that we would have a link to hear and who we're doing early blogging and China and Tunisia and all over the world Africa I still some of the people who are very influential today and and who who's played a part in growing their networks locally where they live with her so when we ask yourself this question
is citizen media move a movement is online citizen media movement we had to ask both the
question of the 1st question which is what a citizen media and we also had to visit the question of what makes a movement and the 2 minutes of sociology here of social movements are in general or more traditionally tended to be identified by several factors the 1st
is contention that pushing against something that pushing against of form existing practices of power structure and traditionally they have a ball they have an articulated statement about what they're trying to do and they work in a longitudinal fashion trying trying over time to change the way something exists we also have intention so it's not enough to have something to push against you have to
have a clear idea and a vision and a statement about where you wanna go so the intention of your behavior on and the 3rd thing is performance which is that you have to enact or perform a set of ideas in order to garner community and to state in a public context you're effect so whether that's a demonstration whether that's in whether that's say in an online context of petition offline on whether it's uh whether it's a rally whether it's a terror movement all these things are performances performative in terms of how the inhabitants of how people move ideas forward within social context this is this is a theory that an and introduced me to and it's
actually it's from 1965 and then enhancing like a monthly thing that leads to state that for the Internet at the average so we have we could go
too long without showing you can theory and the theory is actually called the cabinet theory but it's not at all about
cats because there is of course the theory that the Internet is made of a cast of pornography and we're not going to go into that 1 is something else this is about the relationship between what's called between categories and networks so we have a fairly all on of you will you often hear that the question of
what makes something go viral what makes something happened in in in in in a social context what is the movement began and how do we understand when that
thing it's happened can theory is really interesting because it offers us a lens into articulating went when something is going to happen or not going to happen based on a set of principles for how how we engage the world so the 1st idea is that human structure human communities structured into in both categories and in networks and network is something like a community of people who haven't
all live in the same place so the residents of Berlin are all potentially a network were bound by a structure which is the name of which is the municipality of Berlin categories of people our identities and cultures self-formed men and women Democrats Republicans liberals conservatives musicians Tech owners symbols are so the idea of Cabinet theory is that these things can exist for the independently and what takes will require what is required for action is a place where categories and networks actually meet where they cross so you can have a community of people from and a network of people who have to live in the same space but they are essentially dormant in terms of their behaviors they don't act and and it's unclear
as to why they don't you can have a category of people who were all again pet lovers but they don't have a common theme together and other than pets and so they're not politically active for instance so again this is a internet theory not dependent upon the internet but these things cross around symbols the cross around flags or identities or images that and that form to motivate the community in which the working so on it's helpful to think about this kind of triangular concept of categories networks and a symbol under which to rally around as a as a
sense of understanding when something happens only give you an example of that so the more so in Beijing in
2006 some that the government municipal
government institute what was known as the 1 dog policy and the government decided that pet owners could not have more than 1 dollar and what resulted was 1st online and also in the in the streets was a mass uprising of tens of thousands of people who protested the fact that they were going to have to lose their pets and the same thing happened in 2008 when the
government decided admissible government decided that text could not be dogs cannot be higher than 35 cm because most of the nodes in a big dog policies and the because large dogs were frightening to many people and so the category in this case in this example is that catalyst the network to citizens of Beijing but people in Beijing had no motivation to rally took the patterns that no motivation to to rally a to create a movement around an issue until there was something to push against and when they did they coalesced so we have networks and categories and a symbol of a dog and that's the theory so the the point is that there are a maybe you can explain what the point is that is
that movements have have always been forming in this way I mean that new online social movements
have a lot of new characteristics that they share many with pre internet type movements movement that's correct with the Internet does as a function the accelerator so the internet makes it much simpler to find symbols and to to raise flags and gather communities underneath those symbols that also makes it easier to find people who fall into the same kind of categories you as you might be in so the idea that we have for instance with the story of Kony 2012 as many many people probably know the story of a the video that went viral a month ago that guarded several million 100 million visitors with and was into 2 weeks and on the face of it were surprised by something like that but really we shouldn't be
because it's a massive community of people a massive network that lies dormant and the question is when are people going to when it when will that that network of people crossed with the category of
others and what will happen as a result from an intellectual framework we should expect that this kind of thing happens all the time at different levels because it's a matter is always going to be a matter of whether or not the symbols cross and this is a description of kinds of networks that kind of uniform and how we
understand ourselves so pre-existing communities available as an network for organizing social action political parties
religions all sorts of functions so if we look at that the Arab uprising began the Muslim Brotherhood is an example of a pre-existing community came late to the party but once they got there they're pretty organized a new network forms in response to an issue this is a community of people who maybe didn't realize they have something in common with and realized that the needed as a category 2 former number but once they did have a motivation they could build it quickly than older organizations working in new ways is an idea of for and so on a company or corporation who decides to change their working practices and reinvent themselves into a new
form of all these things are going on all the time but there are all kinds of before thinking about when we see a movement these kinds of for frames that are useful for us in trying to understand when they will have so what's new about online citizen MIT Media movements but I think that what we've seen in in so many movements and you
know recently both occupy movement and monochromatic KDE and ideas are more important than the there's the leaders of standing back and you have these decentralized non here article and structures and then there's lot of the things that that online movement share in common in terms of strategies in the way that they were and the kind of language and culture they attract yeah but
on but what we see most importantly in this context is that is that the ideas are in a sense moving through crowds are moving through networks of people who people and each 1 of us has the opportunity
to enact were performed in the in the earlier language of the categories perform those ideas in different iterations in different places so what we see with with movements of ideas on through through social through online social networks is a as an almost a ripple effect of ideas as they flow from place to place performing a new iteration based on local concerns and that is
not that is also true in other in other you know an context so again there's no we try not to make a strong division between the online world in the offline world as if they're 2 separate spheres the point is that a function as an accelerant of it it functions as a result a new way of providing a passing on information it
happening much more much more quickly you know it's not
just across the world but also across time and space and some some movements are larger becomes large is the global consciousness and you know the Egypt social media the way that social media became so informative and and perhaps influential in and in organizing the Arab uprisings and this is an example of uh of the big 1 you know that everybody has their and but there are also examples of much more local movements
and this is an example from from Russia and
after forest fires and that spread from Moscow and across the region in 2000 2 years ago 2 years it doesn't have an activists online activists set up a map them using a piece of software called and she he the where they were tracking new instances of forest fires and but the main goal was to help em and people who needed had to connect people who needed help with people who could have who wanted to volunteer assistance so if somebody has to bend down and they needed baby
clothes and their volunteers could say I had somehow bring them to you in the map help connect them and what's interesting about this very
local example is that it was actually
inspired by activity that happened in Africa and you know the software that the users developed in Kenya and they have been following different implementations of it in different parts of the world and that's not unique to this project for so many other um movements that we see taking their shapes online and the people to learn from each other's tactics and strategies they they watch how online activists in Europe are doing things or in Africa or Asia and it's almost as tho each new
implementation add something extra to the mix and you have to wonder how do people
find out about each other's online projects how is it that they're that social media becomes more and more influential in such similar ways in such a completely different context how did that happen thank you want the other interesting part of the story is that in the Russian contexts and
prior to this event online organizing and online social movements in the blogosphere in general was basically dismissed as an as an influential force and we often hear that this can happen x can happen in this country that's not the way our people are there's always an exception to that rule in Russia was an exception to that rule 2 years ago the idea that the mass protests around fixed election could occur in the Russian context was a fantasy to 2 years ago and of course it is easy to forget that but this kind
of movement you can can penetrate and has been shown to be more explicitly it's not a personal question whether I believe it or don't believe it empirically it is happening and this happening at it has it is moving through the those crowds in this case the guys who started it were Global Voices Authors and they met through Global Voices so but that's the good news the could have met through many other contexts as well as just a circumstance on so this is a
timeline of globalvoices analytics over a four-year period roughly and when we talk about many local events and occasional mass events we actually can see that
there's a rhythm over time to how that behavior is so because globalvoices as are authors and their community were always looking for instances of movements and reporting on them as they occur and in a sense the baseline this is a this is by week so you see
on average we've got 50 thousand people visiting us a week from Munich visits and um we see that these rhythmic spikes are events where something that occurred a local context has has become the global effect on regional effect and the many smaller spikes where we seen smaller events that occur so it it tells us from analytic perspective that we should be expecting this kind of thing to happen and ongoing rolling basis
what are we talking about next to the thing we have this power point of the I think we've talked about that already at the so we're gonna move on so
this slide here is this this builds on that you know that the graph is so before I with the attention span these other spikes those that a stories where everybody needs to know the latest information about whether some online movement is doing and and this is this is kind of a different way of looking at how that mass attention span and their forms forms yeah this this is a Twitter To is this an institute a map of sort of conversations around Egypt and during the before on on the on on twitter and I think that the reason that we find it so interesting answer to look at is that inside each of those rounds circles there is the name of a person a dead Twitter handle and so it looks like
a massive just got some people and activity talking but their names within them and we know who they are and we can see how their activities spreads out fairly to other people and so this sold several compelling things about this map from In addition so on the left you have the English-language Twittersphere on the right you have the Arabic-language for the sphere is so you can see who is influential within each community the larger the dog the more influential they are in terms of a number of networks number of retweets and links that they have the most curious part is the purple people middle those the translator so that the people who are who are acting as a filter allows MPAs monarch lines from 1 language to another and if we ask the question how do people find out about information coming out of other cultures in other contexts and what is has a get passed through this is a graphic representation of that activity and Global Voices Authors are both participants in this network and observers of it and so it's it's quite compelling for us in in that and it's it's it's a particularly large example that you
can take at different online social movements in Africa and you can make a similar mapping adjust the smaller and end you would see different links between activists and people who are online in different regional contexts in different and it shows the different very graphically as well that it's small and persistent acts that matter in this kind of network so what's different about online social networks is that there is a diversity of online citizen media as a movement is that is a diversity of voices which collectively or cumulatively have an effect and so we see that on that is the force of many participants actually forms shape formed a symbol is another representation of the same events and the green dots system for graphic
representations made by whatever whatever community members
from a computer scientist deal looked on arm and he
pulled out of Global Voices Authors as a graphic representation to show where they fit within the network but many of the people who were the largest starts of people that are well known and
interestingly of as well most of the people who were most influential the network are mostly in the citizen media space rather than in the mass media space how the last slide we have I think this is a map of
the Global Voices communities based on network analysis and way this map works is that the size of the dog is the influence of the network its location on the map is so this is means the
centrality of its influence within the network this is built by analyzing the top 10 thousand blogs that link to Global Voices so this is a graphic representation of those communities and the clusters are built based on people's own semantic behavior and it's a set of roughly 10 different algorithmic measures that form these clusters in terms of their shapes so close to that who the closer they are how together the more inter interlinked they on are it and the colors are based on their own language communities based on based on how people self-identified and so we see here graphically that communities that overlap with each other actually are talking to each other and then linking more more different context so we ask the question again how do we find out about how social movements iterate through through cultures and through networks and this is the answer they iterate we can see graphically through through communities and through common languages to common symbols that we share yeah and sometimes it happens in in in large ways and sometimes small ways
but I don't think that In the global context that we would consider and think that the the factors for success I necessarily very closely tied to side you know or even whether whether moved his successful and they can be so many different ways to evaluate and the success of online media activity and and over time we can just see how how these things grow and grow and grow and in this maps the that's the really interesting when you start to do
longitudinal analysis so this is this was taken a snapshot occurred in in autumn of 2011 and you notice here at the bottom of that Russia the Russian language spaces all come by itself and they're not really talking to everybody else on and in that kind of puts forward and maybe agrees with the idea that Russia is an exception request is a special case if we did this map today we might see a pretty different picture in terms of where Russia isn't in a relationship for the rest of the network because this happened before the protests you know around the electoral reform and we've seen an explosion of social media and citizen media content coming out of Russia and find being paid both being followed by the rest of the world and following the rest of the world so this shape is it well it's it's just a moment on and global life isn't any the
summary other things happening beyond Global which is here in the scope of the internet a relatively small site project that it's microcosms of what is happening and and we are trying to build these links between our and citizens in different countries who are engaged in this kind of activity so that they can learn from each other and perhaps get a feeling of belonging to a global movement and so and we ask the question isn't available movement it's also apparently asking with if it's not can we make it a global movement of 1022 viewed as you want to be 1 because intention is part of it it's not enough to say we contend against different systems such as how was how was citizen media in the way we construct our community is different from commercial mass media or governmental mass media which know that the typical but from the difference of courses with mass media you have abundant audiences scarce attention and was mass media with with a network media you have scarce attention and abundant audience and so abundant but it produces about and talk so but is
that does that actually mean that the contending against something are we trying to do something differently and that takes us to the question of intention do we want to build it as a community has different communities and what happens next I mean even if we can't control it what is the next frontier for this kind of activity over and over the past as here to we've seen how and citizen media activists have become very good at using these tools for appointing et al you know gaining international attention for various causes but what what happens next what happens after you know that the the initial online mapping projects when do we
get into areas of of government transparency and you know that there are all these different frontiers that are slowly being them explored and expanded but how do we how do we effect and how do we try and directed by for education they ran and a friend of ours just before the United States and she's talking about whether or not to give up 10 year because the internet's going exploit education just
like it exploded journalism so what's the past that I so that's a presentation and 4 hoping is that for the next half hour we can have a conversation with you and I interested to hear your thoughts about these ideas and also perhaps talk about some examples and some again some of concepts about where you think it where we all think that these movements and it might go in different if we think it's a fair idea to talk about this kind of effort as a as a movement paints and fj the fact this is 1 of the most also 3 if any questions for questions comments no such a question this low right so
wonderful presentation thank you so much and there's so
many interesting things the raising so much amazing work the
Global Voices is done on a 1 if you could talk a little bit about sort of what are some of the processes like where you have internal tensions between different people within the globalvoices network especially as you know certain social movement cases mobilization these uprisings but you you may have people that reflect many different sides of a part of a particular moments were mobilization and so how do you deal with some of those tensions and maybe talk about you know example and and what that kind of looks like for you I think I think
internally you know when when we work on within the last that pretty much a harmonious community I think a lot of people who are drawn to this kind of research in writing and thinking and buyer consensus sequences and like to see things from different perspectives and so we've had had quite a few of the kind of arguments you'd would have of the Middle East or you know religion on it is that there seems to be a kind of culture attached with with this kind of online movements that you can track back all the way to the early blogs and I don't know where that comes from the left and the day is kind of an internet culture that's kind of pervasive and then you have people accept you for who you are I know anonymous online kind of and but but we do see that tension trying to cover what's happening so for instance in Iraq I mean there was so much coverage of blogs and Twitter in and doing those protests and during the election that you would think from reading any newspaper in the United States and Europe that everyone who was on the internet neurons was in favor of the protestors against the government but that's simply not the case there and you know hundreds thousands of bloggers who appro amidines Jatin who have been on equally using these new technologies in similar you know it's in their strategies in similar ways and then you have those examples in almost all of these and cases you know because it because it is these are spaces of contention and John Kelly who made this map also made a map of the Iranian blogosphere that shows very clearly that the polarisation sort of politicians and a huge section of poetry lovers Cimmerian Bonastre so we see those kinds of diversity in every language blogosphere in every context like 1 of the thing that's interesting about the way globalvoices workers we don't actually require that people people are more than welcome in fact encouraged have different views around the world about the world but we have a basic meeting point in terms of our behavior just of what we do which is to try to find all perspectives on a given issue and to give them all weight and that you and and I think that that's the common activity that we perform an unity there's also a bias as of being here pro human rights an approach to speech we need to do to do that to want to do that you can probably bring bias with you so that it is a bit of a self-selection process for sure you know we are we are a volunteer community that the attitude is 1 and the acceptance that there are many different points of views and and acknowledging that it's part of the bigger thing and the beautiful thing about being the following these things really a very long term instead of just when you know all the media's
attention is on it is that on the E step
back and then you have a great overview of of what's happening in and the questions it's a microphone array here somewhere
to a I was wondering about the the the
influence and the connection between those 2 movements you you describe the little voices the moment in this case instead of maybe a source of information in terms of the mainstream media or other kind of media how they're using called production of whatever movement so informational something and is there any real connection that sense and say this because I'm coming from the International Journal is 1st include training w where there were many many people from all over the world from the BBC column receive the Italian mainstream media German and so on and the we had several panels so talking about the that kind of you know social media information sources of all lead the mainstream media can provide information so what is of kind of overall what I'll do we create together because they have the feeling I even that at the end of 4 days that kind of the integration is gone a few years ago I the feeling that was much more integration between
mainstream media like we we had the experiment with the BBC and others I told the BBC again I said no I don't care at all we are the only while providing and we don't care what you guys this century plan of together so my point is is this a of those movements of getting alkane we you to use read those moments in the mainstream media information about this can process that you know a lot has changed over the years they say in the early days of globalvoices played such an important role in given to describing what a blog was to a lot of international news organizations who had with writers we worked with with a lot of big news agencies and trying to help them understand how this could possibly become a source reporting and then be so confused by the fact that they would they would there were people in countries like China where there was censorship that they could still get online and they can communicate so there was there was a long learning curve I think until we reach to this point where you know you look at the coverage from from Syria somewhere and almost all the sources I you know anonymous activists online activists active so whatever they call them and and all these news organizations are now doing a lot of and curation and research that we used to be the only ones who doing I mean it that has has changed enormously I think will that the difference is that the we're following stories regardless of whether they're interesting to the mainstream media and that's how we occasionally can end up scooping them for instance by identifying that something big was going to happen in Tunisia long before mainstream media caught on to the fact that you know this could lead to the fall of Ali and it didn't seem like an important story but we're covering it and their major media still and to this day has it you know that they have limited attention span that this will then just like you know these descendant of foreign correspondents you know they do similar things with their digital attention span so and see what people are doing and then leave again when they need to move their attention to something else so that's that's what I think it's significant for us to have built on a movement or a community that's fine things over time because our our goal is different and we we we care about slightly different things that but we also acknowledge that without media attention a lot of the social movements going nowhere and it's such an important component of the the you know the growth of various success as as at social media and methods in mass media certainly still has a large effect on the BBC for the BBC decisions unimportant simply they simply don't think that they think it's very important that had a unit that is dedicated to passing from citizen media content for about 4 years now I think and so they they they spend a lot of attention to it but of course the institution may have a steady stream of Governor of funding so they have the ability and resources to build a hierarchy and you know I read BBC over time I think it's really important but but I want to point to a slightly different idea which is that there are studies about how mass media traditional journalism I mean and you knew how to use the words but traditional grows and for now I'll cover stories in comparison to how citizen media cover stories and there's a really interesting study about our that compares the New York Times and Global Voices Nicholas Kristof Twitter feed in in terms of the other covered the Egyptian revolution and they sort of a distinct difference they stated content analysis over a period of about 2 months and saw a distinct difference in behavior in terms of the the bias towards the kinds of coverage that each of these communities display the mass media bias in this case the New York Times conform to the expectations of the researchers which is that very privileged the authorities official sources over unofficial sources in terms of in terms of news stories that privilege sensationalism and conflicts over other process and other events that were occurring during that time and they disparage protesters so that this is a very common lands if you look if you look at social science studies of of of and communication studies of media behavior that's that's a pretty common scenario income in comparison both the individual authors or a writer's twitter feed on Global Voices displayed much more sympathy for and willingness to cover people who were protesting spent much more time looking at processes and conversation and issues behind the subject rather than the sensationalism and the conflict and so and this is theoretically the newspaper of record for North America so there is actually a distinction that we can measure we can see in terms of those behaviors some others in terms of online behavior so citizen media processes in the brain practices to link to others that are outside of your network to build a network which is distributed and not based on institutional relationship and the point of mass media the BBC almost never links outside of the BBC so long as we unite us alive today and we a project with the BBC 2 years ago was on a set in the newsroom of the online office for 2 weeks and we link voices onto the home page and they were very very excited because I never got to do that and and it was we experiment for them and and and and manifold very very risky for them to be able to direct traffic off of the page because they have an organizational mandate to keep people on the site and this is also I mean just like a citizen media activists influencing each other and changing behavior I think mainstream media and citizen media I working some mentioned in symbiosis with each other that they also influence each other's behavior we know that citizen media has had an impact on how people see genders and had genders replied stories and I have a whole a different you know things in terms of this behavior and it also works the other way around and we know that cities is immediately this Taylor 2nd content for an information so that consists of performances so that media can use it and then see that each so that 1 doesn't exist so that the other really this the phone not a 0 sum game you question from coming to interest the topic you mentioned that before so you're are in contact with a
lot of brokers around the world and so hold daily come dealing with for Internet censorship and those who will and some for example in China and this is getting harder for them to get the message books will still
development of the column so this conversation is premised on the idea that there's another there's a there's a there's a big Internet that's not broken and of course we're going to hear from other people this conference that the Internet is breaking how the internet is breaking in a different ways part of look a question about whether or not citizen media can be a movement is based on the idea that we are also contending for a system which remains open and that that so I would say that privacy movements of tools to allow privacy to allow the free flow of information they're not the end but they are tool to on to allowing us to shape and form those kinds of things now I would say sometimes we tend to to think too much about the technology and not enough about the regulatory world that we live in a world of or apparent culture because so many of the tools that exist to get around Internet censorship are there because somebody else's polarity has has built an obstruction whether it's a technical obstruction for legal obstruction or physical obstruction in
terms of Internet access on in in bullying people
on presenting them so so it's uh I always try to look at that question within the larger framework of how we're behaving and why it is that we know we need to build rule around in the 1st place and the ultimate for a if I were to say this is the movement the ultimate goal would be to have a mass of society in which the structure of an open Internet is an accepted norm and enforced and that's that's an ideal and so if were contending for that then that's the that's a broadly stated goal there are many local movements in efforts there employing lots of different tactics to try to reach the end but that's if I see this as a movement that would be the goal but this also I think that you when you ask that question if there is isn't an easy answer because you have an 7 different things happening at once some things get easier and some things get hiding this censorship gets much and here send match my technically advanced just the surveillance that so do that there different tools to get around mean in that way it's like a constant n Was there no man that but you also have in terms of people and they've always been people willing to take risks so feeling that they had to take risks to speak out against injustice and and in that way it's the same and but I think with the growth in importance by influence of citizen media there are also more people who are willing to take those risks because and they see they see the potential advantages also grind them more people listening in many cases so it's also when you when you thinking personally about whether to sit there and do something nasty connect out and part of part of that a judgment call is whether you think it will lead to to your goal and and that uses all of us who work who care about these issues accusative creates a concomitant new community of people who are dedicated to create thinking about the best tactics to secure self the best practices to make sure that you have all the knowledge information you need to be you can act as autonomously is possible if you do that make make that decision and that largely grassroots network of creative people is also very very influential important in in the spaces in in trying to come up with the best tools for defense and securing the node that it is getting more dangerous there are many many places because the government also realizes that this is something that can that has potential to challenge them in a
lot of as well movement is a guaranteed right so it's not it's
not a it's not determined phenomenon it's it's many people trying to build something over any other questions I don't think I I don't know you I have a couple of questions of trust is a very very quick you what what are the uh the white don't stand standard for well over that's the goal of that Global Voices community a OK things get
started as early as the core it's core blogging core platforms a version of the GV sites many sites the and the 2nd question isn't about about the presentation all we uh if we take the movements as causes of whether it's whether it is a strength that they have decentralized and non curat because is and will take a look at Egypt's to whether or not the miller would of following the great on the rest of the the revolution the military just to to call them and you know got to to benefit from the situation and to in Russia there it it is also the central as it is very horizontal and fell off the of the of the wave of consumer enthusiasm it is currently pretty much curtailing their you wouldn't you
would be all wanted to be an and advantage for the internet uh horizontal contains 2 Dean's some security at some point but I mean this short answer is we really don't know but there's a there's a long term I like that I love to study that over a 20 year period because you may be that what we're seeing is a new communities that I'm inferences looking at Russian now the movies for many many of those people who kind of data gained prominence to that 1st grassroots effort to go into local politics there they're running for office on the local city councils municipalities they're trying to start at the bottom based on local community actions if they do that maybe over a period of time they will wonder of building a new kind of hierarchies and certainly governments are not going away and we organize our entire planet in our nations and states based on a set of very strict hierarchical rules and those were not going to break the science system anytime soon so we that that is a fact of life and and I think well what we would have to see is as in asking the question about contention is what kinds of tactics From would allow communities that form quickly to maintain a presence when they are confronted with the fact that they have to get voters out where they have to all behave you know in in a similar way we see that sometimes that's occurred no around so by an actor for instance but again it doesn't mean when that and I think this is a rapidly evolving space and a lot of people were trying lots of things and I will see lots of failures there's also the ending this here we have a away again have seen online social movements and something being very separate from the traditional structures of party politics government politics or where you know the grass-roots type of activism but those those communities are also emerging in meeting and then the lessons of citizen media have been carried over into all kinds of more traditional here optical structures as well and just like their pervasive now in in traditional media and there are also becoming more and more in all the other presidents have of Africa were on twitter all the different new open government initiatives that we see in these
these new ways of communicating in organizing also seeping into a more traditional structures so maybe it'll all marriage scenario where test that's what I said I don't really know yes yeah professional to adjust to participate in the study the 1 might question so would be hi and I came the but
you you made a comment about effectively how we need to we need to respect network neutrality and we need to think beyond circumvention and when we think about circumventing we have to remember that that's because there's a problem that I'd like to suggest an alternative which is will never be able to trust network because the economic incentives are such that people always the rent seeking or worse why not instead build technology that allows us to through code create those desires and to ensure that they enforced through strong mathematics so we don't have to be hoping that people who historically a process will stop oppressing I mean I feel like that's part of what the
dialog is about which helps with the policies we actually need people who were working on a policy to understand the policy is only as strong as the people just they can make it so is it possible that we can
work together on them to try to do and not ever hope you know the networks will just become neutral I would never I would never put put this on something as as amorphous hope
I mean I is there a sustainable dies last but it dies from also I I I think that use the Internet with this is why we say this is what I'm talking about intention and contention because these are very deliberate processes this is a matter of saying what the issue is an and trying to prove to perform a solution for where iterating on what the solutions might be an absolutely unit is a technical beast and and you know you was accorded noticed that a much better than I do building a strong infrastructure for that of a strong network that is resilient enough to allow for this this kind of idea to exist over time and not be broken requires that intention requires that people build and maintain it and if we don't then we lose it and I I I agree with you I agree with the position and and it's also I mean that's also why this amorphous thing that could be a global movement you know we those ideals that need to be learned
into that behavior you know how should people's relationship to to global corporate giant like
Facebook or you know intuitively and those those are things that that need to be learned and and studied in spread just like all the other tools of activism and and them and we also don't think of this is something that exists only in the online space this is emphatically part of the physical world and and in the it's not only in the in the nonprofit or in the Pacific spaces in the corporate space to the talking about there being as a great example of this if everybody starts to use a tool like this to start renting apart rooms from each other then we create a different kind of tourism we create a different kind of community community set of relationships in which we all work with each other rather than through a corporate network whereby were staying anonymous hotel rooms we build a different culture if we do that and money is not enough money is not an antagonist in that context is potentially benefit so as as you say shaping the structure so that a natural impulses a lead to something on the natural desires lead to something which is a community that people want to live and that's that's the reason I I would imagine that in responding I think we're going to stop the stage thank you
very much for listening to us and the and the thing hazardous fumes and highlight the fact that a new was a if you know the