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From Dissent to Disillusionment?

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is the when it is written here you use steps was was a warm welcome to this panel discussion co-sponsored by Dodge of along your host world much not so think of on if you saw the name earlier my colleague was sick but during the week so jumped in short notice of culture-making as painless as possible for you know our telescopes will focus on the title from descent to disillusionment going to look at 3 countries Egypt Tunisia and Syria looking at the status of the social media what role they played throughout the year and where we are now what the status quo is a long-term but like to introduce you to our panel of today's discussion on my left cleric who is the editor of the French version of Global Voices Online members of the ball jury and you've written extensively about Tunisia or well over the years later it was realized that there already thinking then on my rights we have laid on the
quality of the Spanish Syrian blogger however got the right and so human rights activists assistant professor of communications at calls
3rd University in Madrid just adjunct professor the the of the new words to the translation from Spanish is not literate cells Newton but 1
alright so camera an Egyptian blogger and activist also works with Global Voices and also the members of the props during a warm welcome to all of you and thank you for coming from you you you you you you you you
and as such i'd like to just explained break it down into 2 parts are debates today 1st order like to look at
skin appraisal from each individual country about the status quo of the social media what role they played what role they play now after that I'd like to encourage questions and comments from the audience so please feel free to join in and the 2nd half I'd like to focus on whether there is a kind of overarching support network between the 3 countries have they been able to help each other in giving ideas and tips on how to proceed and and again after that if there are any questions comments then please feel free to join before we start our actual debates I will show you a short video looking at the current status quo in the 3 countries will talk about some the of and people and my my my
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video shows that speaking and I can still involved huge risks for many people in the Arab world this is the a later class the start with you we saw
that the last images of showed us the situation on the ground in Syria and if we hark back to the title of our debates of descent to disillusionment would you say that the progress that there has been a progression there already walk can how would you assess the current situation on the ground
well about the title of our panel from an descent to the disillusionment I think it refers more the disillusionment parts the hard to pronounce how to pronounce this words not being non-English-speaking disillusionment so I guess it comes more from the mainstream media coverage of the revolutions and how was that there there were a lot of expectations it from the rest of the world and even seeing change from a very repressive societies tool stable democratic
societies and this unfortunately unfortunately does not happen overnight so I'm really would
like to ask if any of you have heard of any revolution that does not come hold that that's not find internal division and that leads from repression decades of dictatorship and destroying every civil society infrastructure still very healthy stable and democratic society so we're gonna need some more time to see if the outcome of this I think citizens continue dissenting continue dissenting even in extremely dangerous places such as Syria continue risking their lives to show what's happening I was on some of that that video that interesting and we didn't have rubber then shared and they showed some activists in Syria it's a very common noun In this answers the question of how people have learning from each other in a more and more video activists in Syria have learned from activists in Tunisia activists in Egypt and they protect their identities more and noise those sad people in the video and they probably said they wanted to be on camera those serious but normally it's very yeah it's a requirement for us we're working with serious to hide their identity to blur the faces so there's more and more efficient use of this and identity protection techniques a would have been a result of the government hunting down people who appear on camera so divisibility helps us to denounce crimes in countries such as syria by the validity disabilities a double-edged sword and this is what activists have learned from the previous activity so now we see how most mutual videos are shown from behind so activist recorded demonstrations from behind and there's also a new software to blurred people's faces there's a software that weakness yes can I just searches as in the the the key word I think is visibility in both images are still very fractional Montcom can remember terms 1 country that has maybe been through that phase and gone 1 step further and you follow the events in Tunisia extensively um where do they stand now we don't hear or see that much use of
has gone out of the news and Internet least in the western world that and the process
continues and an incredible amount is happening every day since the revolution as later said very well the know security it's not glamorous that turns in teenagers t remains and I'd like to say to unit to stress that I am not Tunisian but haven't been following Tunisian bloggers for a long long time about 5 years and I know if you have been to Tunisian I know a lot of them and what strikes me is that the fact that it's been an absolutely Bloodlet well there was a lot of blood at the beginning you know with the uprising many people died but nothing compared to other countries besides plus it's a small country and it struck me that the condition is still the land this the Revolution land because they've had in the space of 9 months from now the toppling of Ben Ali to the general election of the Constituent election which is incredible there are countries that have taken centuries to achieve this right and a blot elisa election a free and fair elections and since then the writing of a constitution so it's not all about a bed of roses as Leonardo that don't have this short term TVI them but it's a process where you can see forces in a fighting the inches by inches for the Constitution all for their right all for their religion by spider fighting but it's a process where you have people demonstrating about every day you have people voting laws and debating in an open and democratic Constituent Assembly any have people who come to visit as a tourist so the economy is still alive so Tunisia incredible and it continues being credible and activism place still a very big role played with talking environments you you said this almost optimal close dimensionality wondering if we but if we compare that to to what happened in Egypt which became known as almost as the Facebook revolution that stood out as a as a key keyword type would how would you assess the situation today days year on from from the events that was 1 of 1 point is
going the Facebook within the root of rules that for sure intimate has helped a lot the fact how people not only is but the most important thing that I I will just give you the discussion of all the effectiveness of the but the most important that after the revolution it came out that they didn't get spot be like of probability of something but building on democracy with other tools we are having society with 40 % or cannot read or write have like interpretations like playoff people % the country so the for the ball is taking other 3 that it used to be maybe during the early the the little things that you do do you think that the reason may be wise in the West it is possibly growing frustrated
nowadays the lack of speed of reforms that initially everyone launched onto this place but revolution these events that that develops so incredibly fast and now what you say but there's more to it obviously uh that's something the West is is prone to forget possibly what I'm not really lost is disappointed or is it because of this
because there is nothing like like actually that like people demonstrating the stages of what the media have controlled most of the time uh but we also support of it because would have that history with time with with patients by the older Gmail most of the time 1 of the things I grew up with them is said that we have with approaches and things will get better in 5 years and then using plain useful the keyboard like postponing everything whenever you blame them that OK but it's better now but after player that would be good so which for us so that's why would we want everything to to happen all of the so that's why we're have a bit disappointed here but 4 so there's changes in the form of taking place false alarm is going to lose this reform what it has to taken for the model can you talk about a crackdown repression again uh there on
developments into music and we hear about the scientists trying to crack down uh what is the situation there right now for the media on on the media once they are dead many speakers said they are debating it for the Constitution and media is in a very big problem in a reconstructed country media where the 4th Christina the traditional media where totally you know to their water from the palace I suppose right and that it was and deputy immediately sensitive now Tunisia's arriving at this very delicate point of what would be written in law and for the media the
future media but you can see very encouraging sign for instance and now what to played a big
part as being accord blog right during the Revolution and before the Revolution has lost its citizens MEG experiment in 6 provincial towns where in the middle vision the use clubs there would be trainings on the citizen journalism how to analyze the news out to be fair I 2 and look for sources check sources and it's an ongoing process and their hoping to extend it to more cities and they would 1st some work on the internet but why not maybe 1 day it will become the new daily from Tunisia why not there are plenty of things happening in gentlest like and to highlights how every day is a new adventure that was lately it as a minister of the human rights of the Riemann right intuition and 1 day declared that and a sexuality would 7 a disease the reaction was immediate day days Facebook can demonstration which show this goes to show is that from 1 side because of cuts elaphus assessment demonstration in university wanting to students to be allowed to wear the full we calendar you've got every something is happening every day when you look from afar and it's certainly very difficult for people inside right doing cyberactivism because you can be out of breath after year but still they're very resilient to the continuing for every living details likely Blissett aboriginal people have been heard during the received derive bullet during the Revolution and still not sure if the government still not as not release funds to send them to and you know hospitals so to to get to them pension and some of them had died you know some and went into hunger strike to protest to have their rights because nobody looked after them after the revolution and from the government it's set every something is happening and you can see that the young citizens on still very not only at the professional activities right but they're really fighting it all the way this citizen journalism describe think will start to say into this in these terms taken certain progression in the serial numbering Mason it can you describe how difficult it is these back to this blog circuits together how do they get together and very concurrent images of
well our media Syria our controlled mean they have there been controlled for decades so I've the Syrian interests media infrastructure is like the least developed in the area but the most that controlled the most so the the government literally owns the media and the and they continue fabricating their their own reality of events which is the name of the banners on their main state channel they call themselves the reality of the events so they give this parallel reality of serial nothing's happening where people are eating ice-cream industry kids children and then sometimes they show the set terrorist attacks and what they call them it maybe in some mass parts of the city but more and more you can see how these fabrications our our clumsy so they make mistakes like the have that people act and pose for the camera and then you see how these people in a stand up and goal and they were supposed to be wounded so more and more these fabrications pretty much no 1 believes it because we have so many constants online so many countries that people are sharing compared to nineteen tool during the massacre of the people of Hummer 20 thousand people get killed and there's no videos no photos of contents of that last but now we have
so many content that people inside
Syria because journalists are banned from being entering the country so activities are risking their life as a tool to do streaming of demonstrations funerals to share it with the world and more and more there's a professional in a more professional citizen journalism they document their contents so they include like this said banners in the beginning of every media saying April 20 2012 to they give the name of the city to provide context for journalists for other people who want to a collect the said these stories but it's all I always keep getting ask how do we know what's reliable well is very difficult to know what's reliable you have to have your own network of contacts that you like that's very important and that someone to blame for the contents not to be reliable is of course the government you cannot blame the citizens were risking their lives for that you have to always question the government was not letting journalists in character we talked about so the situation and you can use it it's not all focused obviously on the Facebook of revolution in the world of the beginning of the uprising the the government to crack down and shut down the internet and there was a blackout for future use of uh but despite of that's the thing purchase continued so obviously there is more to it than just the aspect of social media it does depend on the local characteristics of the each respective country which will about you on what they look like we are during totally on the opposite way without learning the tools the mass of the of of that we learn from social media and apply them on the ground there this company how awful lot at the time of some situations with all
DOS-compatible most it remains a very nature of our life what they're doing is that setting that the shows in the the squares of street and displaying the about the army that brutality and and how they are cracking down most of the of of the model like those the statistics show that 50 per cent of all the people out of the the reason is that after even after the revolution them and even what was likely play people have been detained after the right after the fall of what some them have some other people have been killed by by on so they said that they have control people in the free will have intimate access control on the on what they are literally going in the copying what's being you by having the industry and people together and they do comment on the video if I have to say commenting that they might share a lot because those little available online so you can copy the video and show how the square of this thing so at end the copying model of learning from social media somehow to stability in the political views of other initiatives schools which are i'd like to integrate the 3 people that and they are also like the subject of this conversation was the hashtags in this case and this vital the people going around the and most of them and start asking them what European about this sort of thing about the there are also game there are increased because those people will listen to this conversation they go there in the Rwandan everywhere so vital to the front the so when oil and other we have social media has have maybe not the technological we have also the part of the came out from this in the form of the of sharing of the likelihood of the model to local local all of this is called a blog about getting used by the hour target the although very cleverly you should be in
the middle of the from the from the you will certainly houses typically describes the suggestion what's what the missing people's going for the installation of traffic offences writing for Global Voices and maybe other citizen media from from Chinese and she sent me an e-mail and when and and because they're really I think as Tunisian voice should some from stranger you know what has happened during this year what says and an and this revolution in court disillusion red this is what she has to say please excuse me in my glasses and everything I think it's short with you I'd like to tell you that like any other democratic transition experience in other countries the Tunisian experience as has its ups and downs it's still early to make judgments now that we do that and that what we only able to judge it in no less than 3 years I'm trying of write my country is achieved so far
free and fair elections peaceful transition of power in a culture of protest art and the civil society that are all flourishing and I do believe that more than any other country in the region we got what it takes to make basic this sad experience meaning revolution a success as small a margin is an educated population around 10 million illiteracy is not women are involved and women's role the very it is very important democracy so I think it's something now even after a year of upheaval and whatever it was something additional eyes and unit Tunisian is in a land of cyberactivism and that we hope that ships that unit of account was support
continue looking at it supporting it try this point very often up the discussion to the floor of the any questions or comments democracy the sort of yeah this question and the front if you like to
ask what you think about the economic prospects for
those countries because I think that's where a lot of the disillusionment comes from and the people have to judge whether it was actually worth revolution or not they will certainly use indicators suggesting the unemployment rate of inflation rate you're just and that's a specific promise or country
or just a general we would like to know I'm not an
expert on economic issues but it's definitely a factor is definitely an issue of social order and social injustice and had a very unequal distribution of resources these governments and I know the Syrian very well but I think it applies to the rest of the of the area they're all these countries as the fair the countries where their own property so where they they work as a mafia that controls the resources so if you want to open a stand or any small story in any part of Syria to dimension the example I know best you have to pay a price to the government in order to all air travel to the airport to to a to be able to travel to another country you have to pay to get a visa so everything runs under the system of corruption and to get your weight so that's what they're like you will you have a traffic get fine for instance and you never paid a traffic find you bride the policeman so that he will not give you defined so you keep the money and in exchange for that he lets you will so that's how we were people have been used to these systems of social injustice and you know the word the concept of armor dignity has a lot to do with social justice and then with the inequality in the area and of course that's that's always an issue not only helps a not only in the Middle East and North Africa but in the rest of the world as well in terms of a really was later also I believe that the the government is that no agreed on and had been speeding up the evolution making be rewarded is a lot of the people from the flow of the model to the there is usually made of the list them by like limiting resource that combines the building the government was not investigated have been like a year after the removal the the government is not trying to to invest in their trying to so people that leverage is bad for you and there's a lot this the evaluation and commentaries and and the and everything on on the solution to so that the government the use of the experiments used excuse them to a librarian for for a way to force people to be promoted to be more stability but then you can give me any other questions or comments on the back there you'll get microphone shortly
you can see I think you I think that the panel grades and they show a range of experiences which come from these various countries which are not really there quite different in in every round and in the situation of this at the moment so it was brought to my attention that for instance Indonesia now we have him a very worrisome development of governmental control over the traditional media which have sprouted after the revolution or as a process of instance today and there is few called next to which is sentence guilty of inciting riots for showing the animated movie Persepolis which made in France and they have been defined and declared guilty before the riots which destroyed their premises the premises of the owner and so on but the Islamic militants with I mean Islamic party is the related people within the country so it is I think very worrisome because it shows that the revolution is not only go forward but they can go in various directions and the role of the all and the offline of traditional media is crucial in a way of combining the various influences combined because then you get to pick up on them and ask you to describe the the
interrelation of the use of between the mainstream media so to speak and and social media
however has warned possibly will not how reliance on information meetings because that is combination of the sad China and especially here which was surprising is that a private TV and that well well with the former it was it is rumored you know which have good acquaintances with the former rulers right and energy broadcast the film the oppressive he's underneath you've heard about the festivities is a cartoon about the young ladies growing up in here whenever a revolution that arrived and then everything becomes help because she to cover itself and the becomes a town of modern life and write it had a huge success but it's a beautiful film but it's a personal story it's a biography of much on the person who wrote the and designed it and it was broadcast 15 days if I remember before the general election the election the 1st free and fair elections in Tunisia last October october and of course the Muslim parties thought it was a yeah what and insult and awaits you and you know Prince down and to scare the people and from then it became a complicated story that has many many episodes and the trial but it is true that it is a constant battle it's a constant battle Tunisia from what we
see is that the voices and in the analogy is well
covered in France in cities in media it's a constant battle against the this trial to the
degrees of freedom and you want to have borne for example you know there was a big debate and in Tunisia and this past month should we censor pornography on the net and some said yes because you know like everywhere you don't want your kids to allow me and centered not because if you start censoring popcorn and well you know what comes after that you censoring bad news you centering you know unwelcome news etc. and it's still continuing the debate what has to be understood as a sum up against some of 4 and believe me Tunisians will not let go easily of history I mean their professional cyberactivism activists in town and then this was judged by different courts of justice and and it is continuing and so the state of the media in Tunisia is indeed some old quote and quote newspapers and magazines that are starting to reform from inside by hiring young journalists and doing really you know trying to but then you've got the forces like any of the other country of groups of you know with money that say with power trying to influence it's coming again what is new in Tunisia suggests this complicated transition where there is not a new price and of course you you can always have the danger of the old press regimes right coming back so it sounds in Tunisia is continuously moving the in the scenario in which common neon question yeah commenting on non now what
house and that a person in the audience said was saying that whatever happens set from now on will have to deal with it from now on but nothing nothing will legitimize retroactively the governments that whenever a legitimate in the 1st place so whatever happens from now on I wouldn't have to ensure that citizens have represented the social justice becomes a reality that no one's gonna miss those redeems there's always nostalgic people off of that of the status school but that doesn't mean that it's very dangerous when we hear in mainstream media well and know what well whatever happens from now on we'll see that that's not gonna have justifying the fact that these governments were there for decades oppressing their own peoples over their own people so when it comes to coverage of mainstream media versus citizen media we see a lot of difference as we saw in Tunisia how clementian in Tunisia but no 1 was there in the beginning so people waiting to meet our industries for a long long time before mainstream media actually understood that there was something to do with the it happened the same with other mobilisations in the world it's happening now with my training we can see how the hearing the sound maybe the Forgotten Revolution in the snow country no in no way that is we could say that the power that's at least in the back of the people of the training so pretty much everyone supports the battering the reading which is 1 of the most ruthless governments against their their own people so now mainstream media are covering the formula 1 race and we can see how the formula race is happening while polices firing tear gas at protesters arresting torturing detainees there's um and the 1 of the most of the known activists are behaving as tho idea he said dying of 100 strike tube for 60 days over 6 days to bring attention to all the battering struggle to look for a new demands for freedom and justice while mainstream media and the international community have displayed this Formula 1 race for the whole world to watch so this is how it goes to mean what really matters to all citizens on the ground is not necessarily matching what a mainstream media really focusing on and that's why we are very lucky that we have tools now to get all the other sources of news or can be turned into major again the initial phase the the the
uprising of Aljazeera for example was relying heavily on Facebook material to visualize the uprising is there way how do you see
the correlation between the social media and the mainstream media and they use each other or is this the mainstream simulation developing into a certain direction that's not so reliant on social media where outside
cognitive the rules of the theory that is that there are multiple local provide more social media that having mortality and the residual you should have included some of them having discussions with people all the time with people each of the other way to understand how people think and the as way to collect the necessary your diet is using which is only a tool for quite a security what people are saying the can other social media so going on the mainstream media is being affected by social media leads you enable the blind uh of social social media the effect of women the unit of the neutral just would you say something to just describe what the which 1 of them
you will decide how the how social media is affected by the mainstream of a lot of social media so
the rulers of the individuals in all the other uh they also the learning how you'll rules of new ways of reporting the the they get to sometimes get to history of sometimes you have to be used by journalists so it's like it the way of writing a story covering something at the beginning of someone or if we were like governance who is just on his ideas in his book and doesn't care about the shape of performing it in a way that a bidding more to the development of the orders at that mobile like is limited readers or something along those what we think popular not now many of them are like formulating what they're writing in a way that it is similar to what being written only the media because they know that the audience is getting bigger and bigger people even from outside the region 1 cannot be totally aware of the situation all of the minority view of going on the other more comments or questions on this this year's report
from the microphone thank you come at the appreciate all of you
who speak a little bit about the role of social media shaking the the interpretation of what was happening the last few years about working on the collective memory of all of the people there and in regard of that's maybe to whether social media is small the source of all often useful for reduced information that the where where the show is all of this of working with that and spreading that people are aware of how how important is a social media for the discussion from people to people about how do we see that how do we interpret what it what what what is happening today what was happening do we see it as it is to disillusionment or do we relied on and and yeah that that would be my question Layla located well I I
agree with you that it's it's a source for for a for a lot of news nowadays but I don't like limited to to be like only as it is on the order of of the source because know way or other if you go back in time like a year and a half from during the Revolution lost sight of the during goes there but I mean like during those days of of the evolution of the message all of that was most people are demonstrating in the streets and they want to bring down the you and that all so it was very easy for for mainstream media to cover something because they can create a story from the but if it's this situation now just like if I might like to focus on is the that happened a few days ago a couple of days ago there are people having a sitting in the sum-squared and most of the people in Asia were again is this situation and they don't believe in it and it was like and then the army collect them down and they can get some of them so people were again is the city now when policy than they are in there and the rate of sitting because 1 of the canvas in the parliament there in the presidential residence his mother has another nationality so we count on in the in the in the x while and saying all this story because as you can see it's very complicated story and sorry mainstream media to cover something and that is is not very attractive to anybody and strong nobody would understand what this story shows the age of the node so here comes to the media people they are model they don't have those rules all those uh background that limited limit them from covering dissertation that I get your more important to the order of the cover everything because of their own lives and recovery so 1 on the situation that are complicated and not that cannot be easily marketed or or or or presented to let you know they have more prisoners of resistance to a a tool to write about it until we liberate more about so they are not only resources but there are also like apparent in order of media of the come from or something more than just that I received 2
because some before coming to this conference asking you know all different Tunisian people in Tunisia would
you think of the role of social media now a lot of say and it's getting more difficult to decipher because some of the different political parties and there are a lot of them have understood way too many related to so awareness strange period which is difficult with your some of the few not Tunisian if you don't have any tents and understanding of the context of each event to follow the news through social media because for many reasons and it can be a little bit a very aggressive they can be personal stories between people that you don't know about and so people are starting to be cautious about covering and what is happening in Tunisia social media media because a lot of them have gone off social media as well because the got facts I mean you know there was so much violence and aggressivity and deformation at some point that the left this social media and they're coming back and the other former just to say that it's not difficult to cover tuition through all its intermediate if there are any more
comments or questions right now I'd like to move on to a different point then we can take some more questions I'd like to look at the
the role of the the possibility that the various countries were talking about have they'd have they'd learned from each the experiences of joint networks so this is some sort of connectivity sums of overriding network that so long country is learned from the other similarly lifestyle so yes definitely I well Arab regimes and have always been divided because state of them has their own interests so they allied with different countries and they they stand in different manners and places there regardless of their citizens their needs and demands that the people the citizens we have now seen the amount of solidarity with in the Middle East and North Africa from country to country and these links these bonds between people between activists which Internet communications have also helped enable and these have a lot to do with the fact that revolutions have moved from countries spread from country to country because there was a powerful network in the sense also when we talk about social networking the pure human sense of the war more than the Technological Park social network people bonding people getting together and challenging the political barriers so we see a lot of solidarity with the battery despite the lack of interest from the international community in the background revolution so serious have a lot of problems as you can as you can imagine that they're very active among the most active even supporting the back a revolution because they know what it is like they can really relate to that so we have the campaigns like this whole idea of support in support of that whole idea hunger strike a lot of serious actually making a big deal out of that and the other way around there's a lot of support to serious from the rest of the countries we have these sets redesign campaign that once the jury awarded the Dougherty well people from all over the rest of the Arab world from all from media from Egypt from behind from Morocco have been extremely active in a supporting in standing in solidarity because they know better than anyone else the amount of repression that they're facing so solidarity states actually very uh life within Arab citizens but can you give us examples how difficult it actually physically useful
technique used to get that support out country
will run you have things like very little details like you haven't Twitter maybe someone from
Egypt I read a asking someone from Palestine what do you do about the tear-gassed K and you know how advice like taken on you and put into your nose so that you don't agree the gas so you know Palestinians are giving feedback to Egyptians Egyptians and giving feedback to serious how to react how to develop strategies of nonviolent resistance so that all learn from each other the back part of this is that redeems also learn from each other so we see that everything that toppled is more brutal than the redeemed before so we saw the Tunisians in invaded took to the streets took to the main squares Egyptian the tool so serial regime made a big huge efforts into not letting people concentrate by hundreds of thousands and big sports like the Almighty at mosque in Damascus if we had a million people standing next to the omega it must in the Damascus the government would be gone by now they cannot do anything against that but they are using every brutality every technique every strategy to terrorize population to prevent dental from gathering on physical spaces so they learned from the previous reading what it means to let to have a million people take to the streets stock of the current examples you can use some
of the some community that thing with this being interchange between the various aspects of this of the
of the of the of the the of of the of the long long long law during the
recently been like 10 years of more accurate recall of alignment is it media have like the social network the discussed stuff the our sometimes the messages of what we consider be for example during the collision evolution of most of the original of talking French for some hospitals a bit harder to understand what they saying but yet this method of you might be hard but in in in In our our other they were able to help us in the for advisers like this 1 of the data but what was more important than the other methods that doesn't mean that and this was considered in from 1 country the other which is what we really believe that was the most important thing that decision gives us hope to so if you in the 20th of January 2010 whatever there was there was into his work in image and nothing happens people don't want to learn from the little what's the difference between the classes of generated by the 2010 of 11 is over the regions gets lost through this year so I think the most important thing the density is also going come from 1 of so that in this case intuitions the Tunisians getting anything else interventions awareness of their obviously the
political life in Tunisia so intense with something happening every day in every day between now and that maybe they do not have all and the time to dedicate to know the metadata still obviously models as scientists bonds something being formed that will be forever and then the you know the invocation on Twitter widened to come to an end to Egyptian why don't you come to Tunisia your holidays and that sort of change cultural exchange too restrictive change when Egyptian before never went to Tunisia usually that is deeper than that and it's part of a common story and I think they know it I wouldn't know mn I see it on social network on blogs and sit on traditional media and that part of it at some time
and you get a better view and what you see is what you in fact it's very much a question of being in everything did you get this events that change your life
forever forever because he where between unit 29 1 3 5 and know it obviously has impacted the life forever that you think there's anything the the mainstream Western media like torture
and BBC can do to help establish should help to further will make it easier for these
networks to get established and to really form a basis in the respective countries to anything I I think you rely on of this model no actually wanted you to answer this well better so this is a little bit of
questions not not 1 of the most of what like was the video was the government was doing all the jewels although uh along have something to say for was the leader of the rural you are hoping our although there maybe your support your emotional moral support of really wouldn't something really appreciate but like of something that doesn't look like in the home media that was up maybe I'm about to remove and I could say that the lesson we
can learn from this and maybe we could have learned it before that is very obvious now is that you can only media Weiss and that the international community wise you can only expect that development to be based on respect for human rights so we have seen how relationships have been based on economic issues and this is why for decades these governments had support and they will legitimize by the US government by European governments by the international community so I hope now we're going now reflects on how well how or where the support has taken us and we will reconsider listening to civil society representatives from this country real civil society represent so if I have something that I would really ask from media from government is to actually listen to civil society from these countries not to corrupt governments not to corrupt institutions to actually empower the set civil society members and actually a enter dialog with them and that should be that should be the basis the human rights support consistency with human rights support because if we support them with 1 hand and with the other hand we are provided that it is governments with technology to surveil people we are providing these governments with weapons to repressed people so this is inconsistent and citizens from the Middle East and North Africa will question in the support coming from Western redeems the fit so and consistent the Committee toward the end of the the 1st part of the question would you say that maybe the social
media revolution has has run its course has what
has run its course has has come to a point where there is not a lot more it can do and what would come afterward something Terry using lot of these social media citizen journalists responding to the mainstream journalists to speak to get the following what what would be a little bit of your
question right try again get your your your question you do you think this I mean what is the next step we have the the social media revolution the Facebook revolution has has that's bicycle as far as it can go
and what if anything could come next the
well I to also be applied to forget what has been on the question of musical about that just at the current moment people feel like when things are going up in 1 of them might not be the way we we expect this to be so widely involved in the 1st place so let's go back to to the to the the point is that I don't like to see the evolution whether usable as well but let me focus on is more about it it's not promotion against what about was formally we move a model of a bunch of assholes thinking is personal so it's not that evolution is work that this solution is the body of the body of the of things I do remember on the financial general into his work and the world that Baudelaire view of freedom right I think I just think a couple of days ago I was afraid of everything that soldier industry was 1 of possible try to hide it you will not receive or anything but you freedom from the and and today I'm revolting and against the head of this the problem is the most important thing and seeing it this way makes us believe that no matter how things go lost as long as the biofuel have been broken there would be a way out was whether it's a demonstrate OSI striking a factory or for someone writing and then there volume and using the parliament of legalization from the choice that doesn't have to be this romantic image of resolution was people carrying slogans and demonstrating that the absolute or the difference between the government and I know that the
aftermath of the and social media revolution is still felt because there are countries that have very little in the news that I experimenting and now like Mauritania you know the state of Mauritania I know where this and then those are and have been launched on Facebook and materialized in the real world things to face units direct example taken from Tunisia Egypt and then you have another kind which was which has been present at the bottom of the vessel but 1 which is Bangladesh where you know they have been a horrible murders of journalists and on the bloggers protested not the politicians in you not only social media only bloggers talked about it mentioned it covered it right so it is still
happening somewhere else and at different stages with different cultures with different means technological intellectual political but it is still happening and where we have a couple of minutes left server more questions or comments from the audience 1 minute thank you very much for extremely
of through involving discretion my question to the panel is that so we're talking about social media we're talking about the Revolution that is bringing in that the reason for that it sees on top of this like Israel probably it's time that we need to sit back and analyze entire situation we need to go back to seventies what the international community did in Afghanistan the acts the entire of granulation nations broad all that you have these give them weapons they fought the war the Soviet collapsed and American left the Afghanistan and international community forgotten until the 2 towers were brought up now it's time that we gain a common thing in the Arab world with that social media and all these media we need to realize the situation how this situation in the in next 10 20 years when they're able to monitor the against the western countries just sort interrupt you have a good question because
because this is the question that whole what do we see
social media in the next 10 and 20 years when it was really reward variance as you go quick quick answers from from here on out another policy
social media I think that it's a matter of a bigger issue of that freedom of expression so well we see that there some global trends in that in controlling the tools that we use it to express ourselves this is happening not only in Syria not only it because the ice happening in France in Australia in 19 Spain and I think collegiality in Europe from the F. have talked about this very effectively to it's a little issue and what will be the future like what it will be up to us we will be up to how much can we protest and how much can we resist these at them from the institutions to actually control i movements online term short answer was the goal of a world where
people effective effective of both provision of social media and eventually we'll both born more of that is what I hope so there will be a variable to report it will be more believable the more reporting to was that people decided not all the genes so maybe so what in the last to mystic and maybe too
much I know there's aside the war going on and
will pick up speed and it we pick up money because this is a new opening a business opportunities inside the wars inside the arms are obviously the same time you see smile initiative sprouting everywhere in Tunisia you you have a pirate partly known you know so in Tunisia right remember where it was 1 year ago and you have a pirate constant and if good and by camps about and hacking democracy that teach people how to use them you know cyber warfare on the inside so they're organizing their informing each other so this last continue the story continues that's that's the terms in the sum
of all we got from from the former thanks to the panel already later about what the the hamster a camera sensor nodes that
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Titel From Dissent to Disillusionment?
Serientitel re:publica 2012
Teil 13
Anzahl der Teile 72
Autor Nachawati, Leila
Ulrich, Claire
Amr, Tarek
Abbany, Zulfikar
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DOI 10.5446/21395
Herausgeber re:publica
Erscheinungsjahr 2012
Sprache Englisch

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Fachgebiet Informatik
Abstract Disillusionment is spreading now that more than a year has passed since the start of the uprising in Egypt. A military council still rules the country, and conservative forces threaten to crush the fragile bloom of democracy. Tunisian activists face similar problems as Salafist groups use violence in an effort to halt reforms. Secular and left-leaning organizations are trying to resist the Salafists: "Wake up, Tunisia, before it's too late" reads an appeal on one of their websites. The outcome of developments in Syria, with ongoing bloody conflicts, is fully open. The French scholar and Islam expert Jean-Pierre Filiu offered a sober analysis of the revolution: "Nothing is over yet." Filiu views the Arab populations who organized with the help of social media platforms as playing a decisive role in the region's revolutionary dynamic. One year after the celebrated Facebook-Revolutions questions remain: What role did internet activists play in the post-revolution and government building phase? How are activists from different countries networked and supporting each other? How have the media landscapes changed and what freedoms are still being fought for? This panel is presented in cooperation with Deutsche Welle.

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