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To understand the new world of the book we must challenge our assumptions about the book. We must understand that web changes not only the format of the media and the available distribution channels, but the cultural context, economic and social processes surrounding the book. Most importantly, the web changes the reasons why books exist and your relationship to the production of knowledge and culture. These seismic changes are occurring because a webpage is a book or rather, a book is just a webpage.
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and right so far so but you and mean and the the thinking kyoto mining said and I didn't know that number from and and and the founder fast manuals which is a organizations although a community of about 4 thousand people that collaborate online to produce books about how to use free software and this is about 5 years old now we have about and what we have over 500 books being worked on and about 120 130 which are available online readings for free you can get it online a weak pages power and get the books is also if he if and you can buy the books as well and the books are available and another 15 languages not all of them but 15 languages we have books and written in the main languages of finished English and French um so frost manuals started with specific needs which was to solve the problem of the lecture of free documentation about free software in order to do this we actually had to come and the process is to develop this counting and 1 of the
things that we found we have ourselves doing was building a tool which is tended to a book production effect for the store was originally called the bookie and it's not good book type and and 1 of the co-founders of book titles and it's now being developed by source server which is the basis of missiles development company and it's an open source software that anybody can use so I'll talk about these 2 projects in the woods and also another methodology that fast manuals and developed his wonderful book sprints which is a very intensive collaboration interpretive process of developing a book online as with 5 to 10 people in an interim but using an online platform and and developing a book in 2 to 5 days so that's from 0 from nothing to a a published book and 5 days as variant teachers very rich collaborative processes so it's a little bit about my background and I'll introduce these concepts is talk about with publishing industry is now what the opportunities for people like us because I think at the moment publishing industry is sort of innovating and changing the great a great deal but actually that innovations that are most interesting and exciting and which I think will represent a a very very rich and interesting future for publishing things the publishing industry unable to do but people like us and people used to working and collaborating online we are the great innovators and the system so alone of
forward so just talk a little a little bit about how you might be out to sea the publishing industry it's just schema to help us think about which innovation takes place so they're essentially a protestant Bergen pretty convincingly as you can see the breakdown of traditional publishing crisis and the fall part this is a very big 5 years of publishing so
assessment of production which is no single also sometimes a couple authors but generally and also an editorial process is proving processes and tightly managed and by the publisher and often with the it has taken the lead role and designer and everybody involved in
producing a book for fiction and nonfiction words and this is on the production cycle it's very it's not really a cycle so much as a linear process and which has been the foundation of the the publishing industry of instances involved after food and so so that's 1 part of it the other part is the object itself we know this the traditional book publishing industry have been producing books interestingly enough and the paper products which is in pages bound together and into couples will know this object the 3rd part is the market right which is the distribution of the side effects to retell and the result of these artifacts to the reader and then the last half of the traditional publishing model is the bookshelf which is effectively the archives so the reader has this book it has and usefulness for this reader at that moment after that it may be useful as a reference device or you know a great piece of such as literature may be revisited and maintains value of the time but it also might be something which is under static out effect but generally speaking it goes into an archive which is a bookshelf right you buy the book and you put it on the bookshelf so these a kind of the 4 statements of full power of the traditional book publishing process model is 1 way of looking at what's happening right now is that the the publishing industry is going through a lot of changes in the gathering publishing conferences you find and various degrees of and of optimism and
fear and things also so we allow in them and which a lot of them fear about the changes going on and and trying to grapple with now how this works and and places which like this the United States of America tools a change conferences a lot more of optimism optimism and but also a lot of fear and that but the major changes that are taking place essentially taking place in the middle to sigma so we all know that there's
been a lot of innovation going on and online cells and the section even happened before the popularity of electronical so amazon of course in other online retail sellers will getting online and
selling books this is a major innovation in the book publishing industry so this is essentially a crisis of replication right substitution just this retell sales through shops but also as a replicating that online and online online sales
and last year was kind of many considered to be the great that people and the e-book appeared on the
scene and we it's been around for a long time but Amazon last year's it well and actually everybody is because a lot of discussion is this really going to be the way it is it is the last year the well some titles e-books electronic books selling um In some titles 105 e-books to every type of thing so and so the industry work out too well OK this is something that we really now have to consider an ecosystem has been a lot of interesting developments and there's a lot of this apple and release them the by the author these these kind of things production itself was starting to appear in devices is starting to count a better for devices and of course the major players largely being Apple and Amazon so that innovation in these areas have new all around the
CHO pass right is the object that book has arrived and publishers is dealing with this and the market has changed in terms of online sales and distribution rights just to devices and there's another market the device market but by and large the 1st and the last segment parts lived on patch has been very little innovation going on in this area and that's because there's a lot of reasons why it's like this and largely publishes the this was staff the here workflows and tools even which prevents them from being out innovative and important areas like production this very hard even for a lot of publishers to transfer from 1 4 4 file format to another file format for example and 1 of the the most common document formats publishers use it is a word documents and and collaboration through e-mail by singing where documents are very inefficient horrible and linear necessarily linear person and on the other side you still have a bookshelf
Asif it's also use device or you can we keep everything loaded if you can get onto the space available you can for example so that archive still exists is a very important part of the book goes into the archive you exercise when required now what interesting about this is that the most interesting innovations take place in my opinion it happened all outside of these 2 areas so that when it comes to production there is because of tools that are starting to come available which are online tools for producing books that opens up a book production to people like us and it opens up social production in collaborative production processes and this is something that largely and can is that the base context for it is also found within free culture free license context right because collaboration is most easily facilitated in an environment where you know the threshold to participation as much as possible and free
licenses enablers and all rights reserved copyright copyright licenses do not enable this is not a good environment for a rich collaboration intensive collaboration all and this thing that you can think about what you can replace the linear production processes which is common to the the publishing industry by more cyclical and collaborative process so this is a process where you have an online environment which is being activated by the online book production tools when people may at 1 point b do a little better writing made another point proof it at somebody else's work and made another point give feedback to a desired but it's an open and it's an open and transparent process as prices fall on my collaboration as we know right and and see what's going on everything is transparent to you you can testify and put your energy and where you feel that is the most legal we have the most motivation to participate so because this is very
generic and speaking very generally they're across different models for collaboration in this environment to you know you can still use the same online book production tools
and just alterable by itself but you can also put yourself in another part of the spectrum which is an open collaborative environment or anywhere along the spectrum so you can keep the doors open is closed as you want but the point important point is is that you have this control is not a tightly controlled environment and the environment managed by a publisher but is managed by the participants social production and source of funds processes
prices of engaging with other people that have like interests and building something together and this is something that that the publishing industry doesn't understand doesn't know how to get involved with but it's something that is is very so much becomes 2nd nature of people who already produced content on the new and people within the free culture environment have a special advantages this so
just to look at a couple examples of some very interesting things that are happening in this in this 1st phase the production phase there are a lot of books and when I when I talk books here this online production environments that enable you to reduce paper books and electronic books right but they also allow you to also produced with pages with the same content so that the book itself is becoming very real and what is a book it's no longer this code it's you can even talk about digital
products you just talking about a book like content and not going to talk about the nature of the book too much detail here apart from the fact that the books still seems to have significant cultural hall and we still seem to need them at least in some areas so these are this is an example of a of uh of books that have been produced recently collaboratively organization would see of all of the from South Africa operate in Cape Town and down and they produce an open source so the speech and text books for South African schools and these books are produced developed collaboratively so lazy of all of words is that they get a whole other teachers together voluntarily these teachers take the time to work over the weekend of adhesive awakens and they have they do an audit of the curriculum deceptive and governments curriculum description they work on a table of contents from there and then the as they review it is a group that work at how fast to each of those chapters and then they them together in groups and they take on specific chapters and collaboratively right these chapters together so this is all done voluntary and these books
and done under a under free licenses and all the production for them as done online so these them to books here for example Everything math and everything signs produced by sea of all of the South African government and printed two-and-a-half million paper copies of these very successful illustration
of collaborative production and label with the government obviously felt that the quality was high enough to bring it to schools and this week Apple circles cheaper for the government because there is no cost for each of these units that I have to buy them from the publisher that puts on a on a market market they work out how much they want to pay a civil or for helping them along this road and then they and pay for the actual direct printing of the of the content as 1 example and is available online
also and of going through the next iteration which is writing textbooks for grades 4 5 and 6 in areas of natural sciences things then another really interesting and processes on online collaboration is books prints which I mentioned before so booksprint Sarah facilitated processes you bring together 5 thousand people or more being involved in these things and you collaboratively produced a book together and you do it and in between 2 and 5 days and this is using online production environments and that you know an online platform for writing but most the work is done in real space so facilitated brings you enter a room steady and and organization has an idea of a book that they wanna right and is not preproduction down and it's important to understand this because the real richness and the definition of the book the scope of the book is decided by the people that are participating in the books production right so there's no not somebody sitting back and saying this is all the things that you have to cover and then everyone working out this right where they can actually write that what they mean by all of this table of contents and structure but they actually take the topic of the
book and together construct the table of contents in the 1st morning of the books right and then proceed to write it and and collaborate on this very intensive OpenCyc all manner that was talking about the ones in the same room they talk to each other about various issues and it actually turns out to be an incredibly rich discursive processes as well as the living environment for all of those involved so even if you have 5 to 10 experts in the same room you talking with each other to an understanding of how to explain something in the book if you're living in a great deal about the subject that you are an expert and this process is often always as much as possible have enabled the audience involved in the sprint as well so that you're actually writing the book for target audience that's sitting there in front of you so you can actually talk to them and say does this make states in is 1 to advocate audience position is another 1 to have a member of a representative member of their target audience telling you to do or don't understand and looking at you know you take a much more serious so spread some can also have an online it was found and they produce high-quality works so
that there was 1 particular booksprint which was done after a couple years ago and it was a two-day from about the command line very technical subject and it was written in 2 days and that's about 340 pages it's all free content it's very high quality and Benjamin Mako Hill who may be known to some of you who is a board member the Free Software Foundation and also on the advisory board for the Wikimedia Foundation that manages Wikipedia but it is all the books on this topic see this is the best book on the topic and was written in 2 days
and its material that can be translated because it's free it's in the framework which enables you to for deployment to take profits from it create your own words so the nice thing about a booksprint is that not only does trick is fabulous works but it also creates an energy and
momentum within the group that can carry that work for forward rights including a team with the booksprint as well as generating a energy to take a look forward and to have people involved in the maintenance and ongoing production as well as making it available for anyone to take to do with what they want then and another
example is data hostages for a known to a lot of people here is a coworking space and and they got together and because coworking is a very rich intensive collaborative environment that's what it's trying to generate achieved it's not just a place to go for Gillette
talk the but have and had a booksprint to
facilitate the production of a book about what code making because they wanted to evangelize about the model that data house was exploring and so they invited a lot of people who had an experience in this area from with and that has to write on this topic together and produce this book which is available from data house itself we
combine online so I use also just to show you that it's not all technical subjects and it and the most
work that's happening in this area a booksprint is generally happening in very different subject areas very little exploration infections so far but the results so far and it's a very young person that 3 years old and is the very very exciting and vary with OK so the other class of
the of the system with innovation is taking place and where the most exciting things that taking place which the publishing industry itself is really unable to reap the benefits of is the transition of books from being static artifacts the thing you put on your bookshelf to being living growing items right we come to
understand the book as being a static thing right it's finite fixed really good online example and I can't give anyone the euros for these things later is some really nice visualization if you wanna go online and search will be in for i origin of species and will think of the origin of species thousands work has been this this static theory right you know it just is during origins of the species but actually on this visualization by being fry shows that it was 6 editions and the thesis changed greatly over that period right during the course of balance lies the book was living he was changing all the time you removed enormous sections and put other sections and changed all that we as you can see in the different colors here represents a
different edition changed every part of the book so the thesis was living so box and every being republished the books have here and the ability to be a lot of them but we but we kind of killed off
the the publishing industry is kind of cute offer rely on this static out effective a division Division produced by the author and it's a very it's a very an efficient if you like way to you talk about how to deal with this amazing content why can we take this content and do something with the wire can be taken left spoke and training left what's being written every year by can we take 1 of them and recontextualize it to better suit the needs of students for example that might mean just simple translation and which is a type of use Peruvian most popular why can't we re-contextualizing use examples which have been assumed press students for a student's needs for the context so there's a lot to be gained by being have to reuse content and think about books as living and growing entities and things that can go off in many different directions in the publishing industry doesn't really know how to deal with this because in order to work with us you actually have to do it within the reverse rubric of free culture right of free licenses you gonna try and manage real rich environment with books can live and grow and become something new and the improvement development of the recontextualized very very difficult to do this with all rights reserve environment it's the more moral impossible and whereas free licenses enables you to take this content and to keep developing 1 interesting thing on this in this area however is that this is probably 1 of the areas within the within the publishing world will receive and not that much going on and even though we have had been living with additional free culture for quite some time now and I believe this 2 things that are kind of stopping this 1 is that they have until recently been the lack of tools available to reuse content but the other 1 is that people don't feel that they can change in a book is produced and and have been involved in working with free books for a long time after get asked why people is that right if we do this with and of course you know the whole point is you don't have to ask permission right licenses of forgery it so you just take the content do whatever you want but this still seems to be this cultural issue if people feel that you know it's explicit that they let the mandate to change books and 1 of the things that I think that we have to do with
the publishing industry to take real advantage of this kind of thing is that we should start ourselves improving books we should credible and improve the stock guiding this mandate for ourselves is incredibly important
M. but there is another way to think about about reuse as well which is possibly little but more radical in some ways in this course you can to what is known in in the software development circles as for walking right so it's a fork of the software is when you have 1 vision of the so software and for whatever reason so a group of people take it off an entirely different direction right not improving at translating the re-contextualizing the disagreed with disagree with the paradigm of principles of the thesis and they make some experiments in this area but also in the London Transmedia the villain system and hosted the vehicle collaborative features which bought 5 people together to write a book that the futures and that's that might explain the Vice President of Creative Commons was adjustment and professors and artists also and this group got together for 5 days and wrote this book every there's nothing but about the title collaborative features they put their trust in the process of books from prices to develop a work but this was a highly conceptual right so it in a major walking into a room you got a festival back in you to do this thing they will come with the reputations on the line and commit to the prices of working with 5 people that never made to develop a book and find that Protestants but the idea and but they they persistent they got to the end of the week and that produced a book that they're very happy with that not only that the experience itself is something that they're talking about the state is being this very rich round rewarding discursive prices so the prices was rewarding not just an artifact of these people that actually and that the process itself was something that they gained needs vary from strong team building and learning
environment but this book some months later was found for some of the original members got another group together by New that's an arts organization in New York and they and they I got through for other people would not being involved in the original book and they essentially rewrote it so they did another spread and a 1st of all with the thesis is that were explicit in the book and sort of disagree with that and the rest of the reacting to this and then they took ownership of the book and started making the right set of making the narrative there and there and so there's not 2 versions of this book collaborative futures square crepitus features to and collaborative features and the thesis is represented I quite different from each other this problem disagreement at within the book is even this with disagreement between the books and within the book itself and what you can here and this process is you can hear that discourse of active engaged in lively minds that are feeding on a topic area which is a very interesting the idea is
very different from thinking about the authoritative voice and and that you know that the all knowing so there even on outside very interesting potentially that no 1 ever wants to stay in you but there are areas which are interesting to explore which a narrative forms that could that can come out of this part of these processes OK so
this is all great right so that the publishing industry largely context is a lot of this innovation
thus stock in their right model the last thing I need to sell books in in order to give revenues the have In this that's staff of workflows and tools and they even have to to rely on the reputation of authors to give market value to try and sell books dealing with the difficult case that the books that driving prices down at aided by an Amazon and various strategies within the research channels and the try struggle to find a narrative to keep these this model text but doing you know dealing with these new digital artifacts and but the we know that
stage 3 years been severely disrupted at the moment so the question is let's say that we have all this collaboratively produced material and it's all available under free licenses so how do you make any money from the houses possibly sustainable and you can think publishers looking at the sky and a case of already having trouble trying to re-establish market here prices are going down and so as not to make content freed rising them and the point is is that there is there i economics at work here in the economics which are entirely consistent with collaborative production and the economics which are also entirely consistent with free culture and in fact every culture in these kind of economics work beautifully to and what it relies on is not of an effect although that can still persist in the system sponsored by the way it is still possible to sell a 3 content but it but the
important addition to this economic engine this service right so the idea in the in the 1st instance is the part of the revenue generation at the beginning and not at the not at stage 3 which is effectively the in the reader excesses of content so in real what this means is generating revenue and to produce simple before the ball is produced in if you can do that of course you have a knowledge arrest everybody gets paid and you have real opportunity to being really that counting God and as far as possible and the further because you don't have to give any more financial return from the further it goes the better it works for you because it enhances your reputation that you produce this effect which in turn helps you generate money for the next 1 right so as an example of some of the stuff happening already we know Kickstarter right this is a model which is known to us with people playing each toward the production of work and there significant amount of money speed and serial being placed in this period you can see here the most funded as from yesterday Kickstarter books and the 140 thousand US dollars and for 1 book and this 1 is my and my favorite this is an brigade these big book of
fabricated folktales from Finland which you wouldn't think would be a great audience for this summer's just make up some folktales then and take and some ways and you think they come from a traditional is gonna make enough and is very small country very small language based 64 thousand dollars generated for that specific book and some other good examples is the brother of begin at a very nice and in and to go against the you know there is a so production value and the content of the words got in these environments if you get the time should look at the Brotherhood of the screening the best that's the brother of charity Canada as a kind of a a poet from the psychedelic 60 here if you don't know and what well known class followed by people who follow the John and then 10 years with his brother did like a 1 shot I just want to tell a story about brother and then generated at 85 thousand dollars before he produced a word of the book so these mechanisms are starting to come place right it's really possible to start looking at the crowd crowdfunding models and there are a lot of platforms that coming along online that looking specifically raising funds for production so as which is your traditional crowdfunding model but there's also this this arguments here as well if you look at as 1 organizational was
involved in doing a booksprint with small and so this internet service provider greenhouses they put the money up front to raise the money to do a booksprint to bring this staff to Bill and to write a book about basic Internet security to the right this book 3 days it's very good books that they can was not a market it was
produced by greenhouse was generally generally applicable within greenhouse mentioned cells wanted twice in introduction which is very important strategy that to gain trust so this book was the printed and they listed in bed and a big in Amsterdam International Press Freedom of being and and it was an enormous success and they could go around saying we wrote this book 2 days ago here is you can have it's also available online for free this kind of artifacts in that context extremely important nobody puts together very good readable comprehensive material in that area right and these guys that for the Soviet didn't 3 days and turned up with the book and the priest we kind of crazy about it and the small size not only that they have a very good team building and prices through this was part of the reason why they didn't and not only were there to help something they believed in which was press freedom but they also got a tremendous amount of press attention from this internationally and also within the Netherlands so this is false product which is the largest newspapers in the Netherlands and this provided
there's a lot of courage like this pointing at greenhouse and saying well this is amazing this is this is good will and PR attention that a small organization like that would not otherwise be have to reach so there really also arguments arguments that businesses can understand to pay for the production of books they can also be not just on the piano
but it can be for example to assist in the documentation of internal processes or it can be to generate knowledge which they they don't know can otherwise no available resources for something can particularly or they need to get the teams together to write specific things will and you can also imagine instances of communities that businesses same happens with this to generate and we wanna write this book and and that generating goodwill within the community right typical kind of community sponsors roles then yeah so am I think of In the idea was that it would be great to
have some discussion if anybody has any questions and all of this material is being put together uh on a book called and with pages of book which is available on this year our and if you go there you will see that in the in interface like this and I would
really welcome and appreciated if anybody could come to the web pages of book and and how and work with me to improve the spoken previous ideas that it really rich examples and industries flesh out the uh the thesis of speech threshold thesis that I so that's euro and yeah I think maybe go for some questions be the fit in Christians or nobody to which alleges that might at the 1st of all thank you very much for this very interesting presentation I just the 1 question with the idea of not question with the idea of collaborating collaboratively producing a book but with the idea of keeping this book alive and changing its for going on and on and on and on to me it sounded much like well making the book more or less like the wiki like for example Vicki PDL I could interpret in some way as a collaboratively created encyclopedia which lives on and on and on and on what I consider now to be the specifics of a book of for example in contrast of the key is that it is finished at some point it doesn't it doesn't matter it doesn't mean that you can't relate to it or you can't reuse it in some way but that it takes some kind of a snapshot at a certain point in time which people can refer to so that say I read the book by all of the a and I say OK in his book XYZ the offer made this point then people go look at look up this book
2 years later and they see OK it changed a lot it does make this point anymore soul what do you see the difference between the book attacked a book Vicki if things you proposed and it's a real the key which lives on and on and on and on and changes every day more or less um we need to address that question it's um again so we have on the top level digital media means that you can look after the provenance of work right and timing what entirely possible to has 1 version of the book which is the canonical vision that certain sectors loves and another vision versions which are just take it somewhere else have both side by by side is the problem and then and is there some examples of this right is pride and prejudice is on the incident of your analysis as Jane Austen work from prejudice and then it was really re-released Pride and Prejudice and Zombies as a special horror books and but we still have pride and prejudice we no problem with this and the other the other point is is that well maybe I'll leave you know the the Christian discussion fires going to going and talk about Wikipedia and how some people believe that Wikipedia can be finished right it's it is a discourse that that it's an authority of knowledge bases clever production discourse which is a very interesting question but like and I think it's really for you also thank you very much for your presentation if you want to start the collaborative production of of a book always people that never even sort of doing something like that what would be the starting point to get them involved and would there be a
moderator needed for the process yeah yeah that's a great question and I think you and I think 1 of the 1 of the 1 of the roles that we need in this environment and 1 of the areas that we need experience and is actually in in in community managers of collaborative production right you need people who have experience and how to get people to get to work together to create this kind of works and what kind of thing that we do just is a letter of this this kind of skill set within the open source free software production to and they often call them and catch right now the idea is that if you ever tried to get a group of context to move in 1 direction kind of tricky and and that's similar to open source production right and there are certain things that you have to know about how to make these people had to facilitate the wheels to get these people working together and we need to share and develop experiences through trial and error and shared is these experiences to learn how to get the best out of collaborative book production and so my answer would be and then you would just stop you you you start what you invite people that you feel that would be interested in collaborating and you make a very direct appeal to them this works the most effectively and you know if you can look at them the i even beta and Rodman directly now and you invite them directly and say look uh I'm thinking about developing a book like this I think it's very useful full this make it something that they feel that they want use them and try enticement itself is not necessarily that's the easiest versus you sometimes people get a lot of commitment to believe that they're not actually picture so you just have to keep broadening the circle making the processes rewarding for them as possible and 1 of the things that I found is making it is enjoyable as possible and so that the you know vector feel that they're getting something from the social engagement will for just final hanging out with people who pursue interest or whatever and another side of this that you can what works best of all is to get them into a room this is 1 of the 2 so effective is to give them into rooms and together produced the book and give yourself a specific finite time to make that people produce the can 1 block to several blocks like C of all of us right invite people when they have free time to sit down and work together and get so far and come back and get the next and just keep moving forward like that and then you have to
manage the community of to see the book as a community and you have been to write the book and get other
people to have to you to collaborate with them but also to to really managed community prices so this is an area we really need to develop a lot of skills and such this energy and so these yeah I'd like to elaborate on that last point and I have a 2nd question so the first one is at least in all cultures writing is thought to be a very individually and the process that kind of we have in all culture the idea that dealing with language it is of of very personal way of expressing your size so on how do you get a solid in gene case in your collaborative book and this is my 1st time to question the 2nd question is can you elaborate a little on the economics of writing from a collaborative book that is how much money is needed to some the college alters underpaid of it's it's work so the the 1st point the last point and economics you know
if you if you like people we work with you should try and make as much money as as possible to pay them as much fun as possible and if you can raise 150 thousand on Kickstarter divvied up and and and pay them well and that's 1 and the other end of the scale of course in in in and the way that afterwards increase of reproduction is that you're trying to work with people imperial times you don't have money to title and that that's a much more difficult it's like this this guy is no simple way of saying this is that this is the figure and it also depends on context commitment you might just hit that person is just totally evangelistic about
being involved in this project and I'll just that just go for it I had I had done for example several years ago we had
a couple of experiences with retired and editors and coming along and just going hit to textual these are experienced professionals that in that like the book that was being produced reduced and went online so the last thing going to speed up the total cleaned up the takes and so that you can have amazing things
that happen like how much it's gonna cost for a basis specific book it's that's the how long is this piece of string question but if you if you have an idea for having to talk to you give you some sort of tips on how you might have to cost-effectively or they might be to generate momentum for and the question of how do you get harmony with annotated with these 2 positions on right the first one is how many of the good things and the 2nd 1 is that you don't like it wanted to someone had at the voices and the collaborative features was a very good example is a book about collaboration and we have a lot of discussion about how you represent yourself in this text if you have an energy goes 1 guy the Israeli army and you talk about the word collaboration of cooperate to it was a
very negative thing Clara were often killed by so we were talking about the positive side collaboration so when he wanted to put this on the basis of the book what is the duty of the quote himself and you know it doesn't represent himself in the 3rd person would just just say I I had this experience and informing for chapters later there's a woman talking about and the family collaborative United but she did quite itself or just because and the 1st person it's a very interesting discussion and the more that I get closer to it I think the more like to investigate these areas right of the narrative positions and voice and not necessarily think that harmonizing takes is the default good but at
the the same time there are strategies 1 of the strategies is that defined as people working together in close collaboration is not disappointed the writing 1 chapter by themselves but there write a little bit of a chapter and somebody else right of a of a chapter and somebody asked me have somebody else they goes through this chapter and tries to make a sound it's 1 voice in doing this right you have someone come through people living together from Morrison saying Water respects the sort of the new answers and tries to make it and if have some kind of harmony and that's a very particular skill but it is possible to achieve that and and the more that help people go through the text and in writing together if you after how many more you need people coming
afterwards and sort of we rearticulating that in a specific voice so once accountants and place in know and you
have those people come through and harmonized takes this count about somewhat a marriage lines but I think it's a very good book but it's it's it's a book about the plight of fiction writing between husband and wife the there were some very popular books and they talk about this process of passing it takes and backwards and forwards to each other and getting to the point where the aim is have the in in the day data we would not be enough to identify and you in the book and they see that as a result of intensive collaboration you that was coming through it again and again and and so that you can achieve that but I would just challenge the position and say that's quite interesting to consider multiple voices and perspectives in the text preserving at the any other points 1 and you're free to go to lunch at the bottom of
that the as you would
just mention people writing only very short parts of chapters and so on I was starting to wonder and if all this space so much reputation how can you build a reputation also ships of tax is no longer like attributable now if we're talking now we're saying maybe they're all those roads classical books not collaborating on new books and using their reputation to push those new kinds of books but if you are if you are all the only you working modes it's fiction right now but only work in those collaborative settings how do you build
reputation outside the community all the collaborators that they know what you did but nobody else does yeah all those on the book nobody can see was in and who has has the best ideas and what ideas
you know I mean I think there is there is some sort of um there are some
sort of points where where recognition is transferred to the person who persons that facilitate the production so instead of the right is it goes to the facilitators being the enabler Eructations enhances the activate enables them to generate more revenue whatever to bring the next 1 together it's a trend and up media channels and things like that that's 1 part of the equation the other part of the equation is that attribution of free culture right is impossible to maintain it's impossible like and there's some books and fast manuals where we have 40 50
people over contribute to 1 chapter the 3 4 years so how do you maintain that kind of attribution so attribution is increasingly I think becoming a trains item right it can be focused around and the so we produce this this book this version of this book or whatever and that is the contribution of that 1 5 years later somebody else that's something they they gain the attribution right themselves to to point but the typical management of that also this is just impossible I mean I can you carry all this content and with attrition content with the artifacts that's that's really meant a major book and 300 years time of 50 years time of 20 years time that is a result of of multiple for kings recontextualization execution has to become more transient and is just not sustainable so we have to let go these ideas of and the author of the creator in and out and look at more interesting models I think a lot of the ones that are more appropriate for this context and it doesn't mean that you lose the right to generate and the opportunity to generate revenues and if you look at models with so this models for production of books you know we we generate income to produce a book which
is a model and then you get paid begin beginning anyway right so it's kind of like after the replication is useful that ongoing sales by publishers OK there Merovingian mn thank you few but you begin at the
beginning of the the