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I also get it from the reasons I think that maybe you could say sketch the
situation that explain to us what the government is doing we solve a bit of it in the video where the government is doing to prevent the what is it now 300 million 500 million how many Chinese actually active online blogging twittering and then the following it's a long story of censorship history in China and with the uprising of the internet users had been recorded that is interesting in that they are trying to exploit someone trying to share content online including those talking about social issues in the political systems but the censorship system they're getting smarter and smarter as well we we can call it censorship tool ponds your because you not only related to technology has become a farewell system to block people from accessing Facebook Twitter YouTube dataset was so always of what size around were heading the very deep censoring of
those keywords whenever you access website a web page with those keyword heating it will be turned into blank page so it's very an interesting phenomena if you travel China cope with talent open your laptop to connect the Internet and the speed is OK but the repeated many blank
pages like this and that is not only technical there and many more niches you know around you you go to internet comfy you use your aligned blind to connect into 9 broadband in on your IP addresses the bureau always recorded you know whenever you publish something new our information be definitely trees back to your home and where you are and then there's also some we can't 50 cents party is the come get it you know humorous answers to pop to pollute the Internet content to bring noisy is to try to distract people's attentions on those you know talking this about some really issues so obvious masses can work together to I mean to stop the posts trying to be mobilized trying to uh talk collaborates talk each other and this kind of but I mean it's a can of hurdle but that but that is still very much you know I mean uh I'm going to and the effectiveness and in slowly because many young people there are creating new ways to share information online where use the social networks to use jokingly is creative works that pictures captaincies stretches the sprite out the information on the filters that
can be is so he's them in 2 sentences
definitely give them burdens and the number of half works to try to find out of each piece of content media whether for the words characters is dangerous to the to the government is something very hard to John meaningful for those synergies know so hash in Iran we know I haven't talked earlier on and much reading situation that year 1 is also learning from China and many of the practices we see in China are already being employed in on what is a situation like anyone in the film we solve this new network that the internet the whole line at what the trying to set up what
is the Internet what is the government doing any right now to prevent that free access of information
from 2 to go into this discussion I think 1 of projectors just go through the the very brief introduction but number 1 amount of factors Internet came to Iran and and the you know was something that people could use a lot of people actually started blogging started using all the of or called as a social activist was available back at the time and and other social networks dimen people started using them and in the media landscape agree on which is very much state control this was a new phenomenon and is a new phenomenon as the state also knows that and wants to have their
hands on it and that's exactly where it gets to the pollen genetically Internet and all the other names which are given to a which are essentially a closed off sealed off the
internet but content and it can be traced and track and monitoring out of criteria can be implemented quite easily rather than constantly flowing easy and sort of a caps on it being hard deploy it is that realistically they can actually blocked down clamp down on an entire internet community but they do that we can look at the question from a number of perspective number 1 technically speaking yes you can do that we can have an internet and in right has been about sharks around on actually tend to chew on Internet cables that happens to Internet gets cut off there is the intention old slow down of the Internet's speed so it's technically speaking you can do all of that but then there is a real there is a cost associated with any 1 of them but you slow down the Internet of code off
from the outside world for example gene is not accessible that's the cost to any any average uranium goes right on top of KiWi about common it's filter that's a cost that just like this leading for the for for the government so for social perspective that may not really a possibility and I just to sort of um finish my statement is interesting to look at the situation in china just writing down from here this concept and how they translate into the ring in cases of the fifties and party becomes a 4 dollar party neuron and the activity that they are paid to produce content the published post with content and just put together in a false and that will bring his later to connect until last Sunday also based similar the
test but so I think I'll stop like and I think it's going to
a lot of different things and is not elected Russia because it's a different situation that don't have a blocking censorship of the Internet of Services so what is going on and Russian that's what I I think that that that's definitely
the biggest difference between the 3 the rest and the other 2
countries that you don't have official and censorship of the media and then if you if you were to talk to you now almost again President Putin and he will always point out that some you know the media free everyone can say what they want and people can go demonstrates that the only problem is that they don't get their time on on state television which is state-controlled and who were presented views and I think putting himself also you know makes no work has no problem criticizing and the few remaining and independent media like at the radio station must wait here says they censor diarrhea from morning until evening and I don't think that that's something that some of uh leading politician in in any and country that's that claims to have the media freedom would would say and I think I think the big problem of the main problem is that the the year the critical mass just hasn't been reached and that that and approaches that have been going on after the parliamentary elections in December and leading up to them and and also now leading up to the presidential elections in March you where you see and people participating that the part of of what some people refer to as the avant-garde of the middle class and that's that's sort of threshold
what's what might happen in 5 to 10 years on a on a on a much larger
scale that that that could then lead to real change that but for the for the time being you just have a majority of the population that is this still
and content with with the way things are going to war is true dependent on the state and because they get their pensions from the State there in the military and to work to feel you know comfortable enough to to ask for change and so if you look at the you the surveys that came out recently also after that the presidential elections protein is still supported by a large majority of the population so you don't think we're going to see any of widespread mass uprisings and in and out and in economic situation we starts
changing and and takes a turn for the worse and not even the but through the Internet through more intensified networking of of social activists is similar to what what is not possible in China Iran there it's possible
yes i mean and the internet is is very
prevalent you have actually rationale has the largest number of Internet users in Europe and and and 43 per cent of
the population regularly use the Internet but they're still using it lists for political activity and and more for social interaction there also you starting to use it and for for social social causes and but that's that's still a step away from this political engagement that that we we were not
seeing it in Russian Mr. meaning and the German government has of course come out very strongly in in In recent weeks we have Azerbaijan Ukraine said some statements by human rights looking at the situation in these 3 countries China Iran and Russia and are we seeing an increase in repressive activity at the moment in these 3 countries what would have to serve neurons answers
of the green movement assume and the incredible increase of repression Racine Racine pictures of every imprisoned here which is 1 of the worst places probably on this the people are tortured and killed every day and I have myself met people that had just let around omentum in Turkey and the they which was this 1 guy was telling me what happened to him another shot his friend because they said well this this last election was was falsified and how he had to flee in the middle of the nite he took his family and the source you you and about the brutality of the repression of really How making and it's the different now than even 5 years ago so I think it's very very bad what is happening in the lab and I think the thing on the internet is just 1 expression of the absolute paranoia office regime and the ups and will also to suppress any kind of opposition so definitely think that Iran isn't in a very dark dark place at the moment China and
I see there is a lot of repression on political bloggers on political opposition activities then this Seymour signs of hope also in China see that side repression but I see
that the the the activity of people will move things if I think of this you just train accident for example with which try to cover up and then there was so much activity on on on the Chinese Twitter that they so they have to look at it and and you see that this is more of although the situation is that there is a
lot of very harsh repression and have a lot of more hope that the social issues too she amounts of people that are like different on on the internet will be able to change their country 1
and Russia have very little personal experience I must say that it's my what I can see is is that's a political freedoms of opposition groups and so are less than that used to be and slowly they are taking back but it's and and personally I have let's hope for a movement of change in Russia because I feel there is a very
cynical leadership and a lot of the young people see me leave the country because they
find that in other cases they can have a better life than it's it's easier for them to move on to leave the country and not to work on change in the country so I don't know what this Russia is going to go well let me let me ask you something because 1 of the 1 of the issues is that these individual these courageous voices of are suppressed we saw yesterday for those of you in the audience you attended some of the sessions
talking about the role that media social media this
new media ecology plays in your connecting people giving them in the sense that they're not alone and that there is a wider community out there and the the fear tactics that the governments employed to suppress that little sense of hope out there and it's so important that that little sense of hope to use that in China there might be a possibility that it is not completely extinguished what is what is a possibility of what are the possibilities for enabling those those few courageous voices to come out to be open and what type of technology can we employ what can we here you know collected here in in the middle of Berlin and Germany as his father's and and
medicines to change help enable them to come online do any of you want to comment on how much of that is a very good question and that is the key question because
the situation in Iran as was mentioned is 1 of denial of the existence of the sun what's right so this this assumption there is that there is a state and there is a population which is in conformity in agreement with the state and so whoever is saying other things is essentially just a the to the French group in small groups right there that the population is happy they have their own supreme leader and the central worship and in a sense so happiness in agreement and all of them right so the problem would be if anyone has about in front of my success would use 140 characters 2 ways to think I'm not happy with this this doesn't make sense right so that's that's the dangers that poisonous in such a system and what the system would do in the society is very much what they do in the of interest the dimension very correctly when the interest of 1 another they would put them in solitary confinement and the reason being for that to isolate that person and that would give him false news about the green movement having been crushed and his friends having confessed so they would put that person in an imaginary isolation time you on the only person who who is thinking this way the rest of the population is essentially defined using the same right through that they were try to sort of you know more work that person out of this situation is in the same thing happens with a population the population has to you know that the regime was the population to think that
there is a state which is good and everyone is happy with it and you have
to be added as well right so what you would do on the other hand is essentially due to sort of talk about this descent talk about other things the other possibilities not only in in the political but the political hospitals the social aspects of the other things that you can do it and becomes 1 of them the 140 character message is 1 statement of the of the green band is
another statement of that you would want to wear it show that I am a I have an interest in change and silenced right so you would essentially use any means that you have whatever seem small Physical Review sure what it is to get to hear the the 2nd part of your question but what can be done from the outside
and essentially I am also in the outside right I'm entering and what I need a and and not inside Iran I have to be very careful what I'm doing how 1 relating the people with mental cavity with this what am I doing a concept that was approach and all of that we need to be able to find out where the sources are and give them sort of the medium for them to be able to talk if you have lots of outside Iran we should allow going inside Iran who would not be willing to publish the content on blog to publish and hour or lot to set up a sort of a repeating sources sort of to repeat the message right related message these individual blocks to put in there to give them coverage bloggers have that the model of the majority of my friends and through Turkey a lot of them were shot and a lot of them have significant issues right to get them into the mainstream media the individual give them a voice and let them be the connecting point between the population and he mentioned mainstream media understanding how important is the media in
in drawing attention to this will can immediately not to social media that the lady said mentioned earlier that is at a distance of 2 other examples of the example of Azerbaijan and Ukraine I mean you can see how much
farther the normal media can develop acting that sit on top of social media in highlighting the situation in Azerbaijan and a lot of the information that is brought into the mainstream media comes from social media and freedom in
very close contact with a lot of people in Azerbaijan about the situation about the real situation and about how they see and hear things and and what is published in the media and the translations and all of that and it is extremely important to have these that's a direct
person-to-person connections everyday minute-to-minute and to transform that into into the mainstream media and for the 1st time I have seen the situation in germany at least that's mainstream media look at the country because there was an event there and they highlight the the situation of human rights and that's unprecedented think that is really great and social media have given that boost simply by providing contacts and information context information important
aspect in China and how do these people get out how did they get their message out so that the traditional media can latch onto it can amplify can you broadcasted essentially to a wider audience there with the fast development of China
and India call me on the Internet that were introduced for 1 these 15 years already commercially and so many people were already connected and after the censorship system were introduced back to 10 years ago and people found in many ways to try to circumvent the internet and like using different kind of choosing when the data from the United States from Europe from some other even some tools from here on in Iran users also use Chinese semantic to the cannot be the individuals that and that the government has a lot of people did log of some of from the
grass-roots where that and Chinese users and the I mean is we can divide Chinese users in the tool is universally becomes very savvy Internet users I mean there'll only maybe
less than 2 % the back to 2008 that today just making full 5 years you know I mean this number has increased to 10 per cent of those Internet users so they can easily get a fast referral system to access information daily and the transfer of information from also work to things that and the inside their way broader social networking local social networking services because the international was has been blocked so so the information that need to inside users then right over there being censor the cut off whatever and however there is still a lot of information in these and people try to mentioning talk about it in different ways so it's a can of our cascade thought like to try the same
way that many Chinese activities they're using those to your Facebook by the Commission by using segment who's talking and conversation with the international community that mainstream media reporters after always searches and Chinese local the media reporters also use the social media choose to mention something that cannot be taught in on their mainstream media you know coverage like recently of was essential television reporter he lead to some information
that the CCTV the central television didn't reporting on the food safety and the pharmacy safety issues and then worst stopped work there
but these messages has been described all over the country in the whole country was in a panic several days the rightly challenge the authority a lot of because they always try to apply this kind of information to this prior over and also I think the international collaborations like mention so important somewhat so as to what some websites were blocked in China but we all have this kind of communication wine like 2 years ago when Iraq has the green revolution many Chinese people talk about here they don't have lot talking about another type of error in all of this is always a can of reflection to adaptation to I mean to you lights the people I mean and that the rest of the the rest and then 90 per
cent of Chinese people because we need that money to try to the future change that at this point yeah see some questions yeah yeah doing doing microphone primarily this
link and I would like to ask 1 question
regarding this relationship to traditional mass media and the Glockenspiel whatsoever if you look at us assume or if you look at all the garden where they've been doing the last 2 years they really in praise this they integrated into their entire news process and what basically happens that all of a sudden you became you know what the number 1 channel for US media what's going on in the Arab world so there are pretty clear and pretty successful examples out there what can happen if you know traditional media embraces medicines and really integrated into the process of news media so my question for these arguments are actually what happened if you would have something like Al-Jazeera 0 4 4 time no for 4 years get
out of the race very active important finding issues that the reason why and water use in the case where still happening you know in China now this moment
because see through those timelines in the whole those questions about buzzing harvest reporters are falling there's all those all the shows especially you as an ambassador to people they have strong team in China using social media to tracking and falling people and have conversations there I think is very much possible to form of of very large community of and in new media communities including traditional professional Joyce and the amateur always and many back to 1 year ago many people are being with me that's the Arabic Spring is used the technology and Internet Revolution I would like you definitely is don't don't you know ignore the attention of the Internet a model for time new technology there is there is no such a layer in my whatever people went to this treatment to this query log there's nobody care about that there's only 1
region thing but instead we see an international in all buzzing about this thing everyone you know the resonate to this kind of information from Arabic word to the international so why don't we need that and I think it would have to answer and number 1 is uh and I'm a
blogger like for a long time but professionally speaking and black continue computer scientists right so another
journalist and there have been many examples in the wrong that bloggers make states that journalists are trained to not do not make right so at the core of it blog a journalist or not this is the same thing so you need to all these be sort of the question of how the mixture would work out yes that would be absolutely yes yes I'm pointing out this to say it's not easy it's a very complicated task they have a lot of examples of on false news being imported and all of that and I will go to the 2nd part of my question actually that is happening and you would see that the conventional mainstream media and each and BBC Persian and ways of America they have very good connections in blogosphere and you also have a news websites and forcing the impression we have model microsoft you know there are many of them which and they what they do is that they do very sort of conventional journalist work in addition to to that they would have sort of reporting what's happening in the blogosphere or re-creation of what was to that is is happening there have there are some obstacles for you how their mixture look like how should it be sort of put together and you know to that of what makes a part of my
understanding is that it is happening OK any other questions anybody here on stage 110 onset the I have 1 common I'd like to make 2 because it's something you told me earlier exactly about this issue of of of
getting the word out spreading words false information that it can work on the 1 hand to get the the message out to alert people to the a
false information printed out by the government but it can also be turned and the government can use the standard is they do users have been examples of it and it's it's it's always an interesting what is it could be a topic of the subject of this study how ring is actually important this no Hortense's
serious so what you want the exterior the later and this is sort of the planet you would essentially put together a piece of news item which is that which has elements of motion elements in their case of on there's a there's a scale it had he she has been arrested she has been raped and rendered passes to the story is very emotionally catches on the social networks keeps talking about it blocks that kids talking about it and they let this story another 2 3 months to come up and say and give evidence of shoe that proved that the whole story is wrong that's intentionally would sort of attack the credibility of the social media this is a tool this is a method and then you sort of packages an exporter so so that as I said announced that there is a collaboration of bloggers there's also this business of our suppression follow suppression industry it works at their normal level of suffered a lot the hardware level selling these methods and tools lattice you want to comment on that that ring true of some well this
is and Russian in in a way maybe having you definitely
have an appropriate trend bloggers and and and people out there that that posting in in social networks and and they're trying to sort of back back year the government and that's quite frankly in Russia and that might have something to do with the fact that President Putin's on incoming president Putin is not a big fan of the internet they just got to got off to a late start and never really and took the Internet that seriously because they concentrated on on the mass media like TV which is still and that the main source of news for 95 per cent of the population so and you you do see there's rumors about them that people getting paid for for posting pro-government them you know blog entries and and and and so you know so the
voting for the party line in in social networks that and it's not it's not really them big enough to to sort of counterbalance the bloggers that that that are against the government they of course however unfortunately don't have enough then and following from from the public to to really make a big difference is that of a certain student and you want to is this is very interesting because if we look at the situation in Libya during the war on the time series that on 1 hand of course we want any kind of any bit of
information especially from country like Syria also because they are so closed off and every kind of every bit of information we can get is useful but then of course it is just someone videoing with this with this mobile and putting that up to me and we don't know the source we don't know the time we don't know the circumstances so it it obviously can be easily abused and we have to do to take that into account that on 1 hand it is the need for this kind of information but then that opens up the the possibility of of course of falsifying or abusing this kind of information that I think we will find ways of dealing with that and there has been this case I mean for parameters statement on this girl on on this case has been fooled to it and that's it happens but so that doesn't change anything we we need to go with this we need to find ways how to deal with the possibility of abuse that we should cut off the source of the information because it is so useful to us so we have a question here the audience and whatever really you want to and know is listed perspective looking like so it is that the possibility that
the regime's just their information policy that censorship policy and I would really like to know it from the different components of the of of the regions of Russia Iran and China and my 2nd question is you are working from Canada and Russia and some of the best books of the best of the best block from the box competition and he also works from the US now also how important is the role of the migration and on the other side of the brothers come the voices from outside especially in humans and so question number 1 the prospective
of just disclosure on a very optimistic person and school exposure to model the situation is the 1 is 2 and a lot of people are being government and torture lot of individuals in prison a lot of them have to flee their countries of the situation is very bad is the current situation is very bad but I think it's going for forward I mean you cannot push any society down for every right so that the society is showing a sort of signs of some sort of life being developed that
Iran has a very fantastic underground rap music movement the concerts underground so people find a medium if if you want to know if you look at that of the Internet to block Internet begin with someone somewhere else so people sort of do this and but my understanding is that more than the political aspects of the issues which we always hear in the news that the socialist do you want to say that that the social that the civic society the social networks not the usual not based on the social networks of
actually existing connections interpersonal connections among those to grow and you want sort of the
social capital to increase and I think that's happening in Iran at a very slow pace under a lot of pressure but my understanding is that it's happening to the 2nd person that is a
very good question and at the the same time very challenging so we have an erratic argue that the winner of the best blocks they played involves the jury is in the US is actually trying the mainstream media so the fact that these individuals are outside that's a good thing and because just imagine if all of us from the inside and all that you hear about the person tension and most realizations of its good these these nodes of connection have moved outside the country and can be become nodes but this is also very important that the other people who were outside actually recognize what you can do and what we cannot do if the assumed that the and I just left the country and I am the leader of the movement right Everyone please listen to me the 1st thing that happens is that everyone would stop listening and what labeling as what this person's thinking right so when you leave Iran you have to 1 state in neurons I haven't left and and and reading Iranian lots of writing any proposed I have to read it again and again and again that course has to some native through and Iranian living in Tehran Isfahan jazz you right but they on account of what they have to be able to identify me another 1 this present using English words and so this is a very important point you want to be a note in here for a connection but then understanding who we are and that the population inside Iran changes organic we cannot impose their sitting down and we have to be a lucky outside do not get a lot of information what we get is filtered we want to be helping them so input to ensure they are divorced you're not the boss right they tell us what to do and the can
I think the situation in China perspective what is that
look like in the next couple of years and how important all Chinese bloggers outside of China yet there are a lot of I I don't think that anyone like me and
around in the back and forth any time I go into and out of a lot of time have you a very you know like beating to 2 very about the fact that the staff there whatever that's the everyone I think that's right and nominal can definitely need to move forward we need to make a normal not to adopt an international standard you know everything you know in 1 nite that that that do this but I think that the international communication and collaboration is so important help always emphasize days from media level from technology from even from business level we need to try to get into China and get information out all the time in the bi-directional and to try to make Chinese people to understand the word try to understand was the human rights norms you know that everyone the universal value you know that Chinese people are not different from the other people have the same they're the same but I think that you know it's there are a lot of information we need to break the bridging break the barriers like language barriers for example in there are many many German tweets many Chinese trees that were didn't discovered by people you know from that the the the the the the different sizes also so we need this kind of breeding is to help people to understand what's happening there and people that traditional media need to follow up those was kind of real-time happens is that every project after 2 weeks after 2 months not 2 letters that were not it's this totally changed and the word is in the very dynamic and real-time you know changing status and we need to do many improvements for hold for many many layers of things so this is kind of something mean to China I I can see that no more than maybe 3 years and in the censorship system won't work whatever the loss of much money being widely investigated in this system because many people did find so many ways to communicate with outside work many people ask me how about China cut off the internet as it's OK and that is the we have many ways to access information young people will go to the streets if they found that there are very much in doubt has been totally break and also this is something we we're very optimistic that the only thing we need to encourage people to share all the time not just waiting for something happened and then we started to tell people always something wrong to me to my family whatever I encourage all those people to become blogger to become to going to social media sharing cute your flower you dealing me it doesn't matter but unless you have something happened the people we also have the chance to notice you to the power of your voice be heard so there's the sharing things matters in Russia has the situation then look he said 5 to 10
years i mean that we have an open exchange
it's not an issue of getting information out of finding out what the West as the other countries are thinking I think I think we'll have to see what happens next week after putting takes over again I think there there early signs that there is a a tendency to what's more control of of the Internet as well the interior ministry for example has set up at the department and extremism in electronic media and the police force has been termed a social group which means that anyone who criticizes the police there can be accused of inciting hatred and so these are things that that will have an effect bloggers and could lead to arrests and have led to arrests also in in connection with the demonstrations and I think it's it's difficult to sort of coming from from the outside and and try and and change things there because that's also used by the government as a as an excuse to show that the West is is trying to is to tell the Russians what to do when and and the government can can sort of convinced the populations that we need to stand up and and be progressions and not have others tell us what to do what we try to do at George Miller Khatami's is in our projects for example right now we're doing a project with the traditional journalists bloggers and and NGO activists about the topic of migration which is a big issue in Russia and trying to hello activists and bloggers find ways to to bring their their issues into the traditional media as well and and help find their voice and then be able to to carry the voice and will do the same with with the in a in a similar project about human rights in a more general and setting and I think these are these ways for us to help them raise these voices in Russia and which of course is not as restrictive as China or so yes but late tonight looking too good of I'm afraid it's that you cannot
possibly cut off 1 . 3 billion people from the rest of the world that can be physically impossible and that means you countries it's modern it's growing it's dynamic people moving in and out all of all the time that's impossible held how can you possibly even think of the idea of cutting off all of these people from the rest of the world and then and mean the same is true for for years and with with what I see so many people in excellent so active and so much in contact and so the lobbying for their country and I mean it's just it's a crazy idea by these dictators that they believe that they can do that they have not understood the concept of of the modern world of young people just being in contact with each other and right I think that's the bottom line of the real to maintain itself is trying to maintain the economy of maybe something logical to themselves if the cost of the internet you know basically the color of their own self I mean it's not it's most career can do it Burma could do it to some extent you know but any country that's bigger than that that has a more educated population so if it is simply not possible because you will cut off your country from any kind of of
economic development questions from the audience is 1 of the areas of of 1 that they're laying aside from the same areas reduced things because of the great insights
and I have a question that matches sort of tackled colonists and but I would like to hear some more on and how Western governments or what Western governments can effectively do to support free speech in countries like Iran and China and Russia because what we hear a lot of times for example if the Chancellor Merkel or before that even Chancellor Schröder was in Russia or in China and they always reminded the government there that free speech is an important thing but after that I went on business as usual and nothing really happens so maybe from Mr. learning it would be interesting to hear of sort of the the the German inside view but also from Isagoras and maybe matters what or if there is anything that can be effectively run from the political side that immediately wanna to Mr. meaning 1st to answer what
the what the German government is doing now i of 1st of all I should frustration because of course I would wish
that if I or the chapter says free speech in China but then the next day it would happen I mean that's what we're all working for that and and everything you do seems to be too little on the other side feedback I get from people that our
opposition people dissident people they always say it is so important that you raise the subject and we we know you have other issues with our government you have economic issues security issues what have you but it is so important that you raise the issue because it it helps us it protects us in way so that part of my work is for example I try visit the people that are in jail which most of the time is difficult but sometimes it works I will when I'm in China I tried to meet opposition people sometimes secret police prevents them from meeting me but I tried to do that and to give some support and I think that making statements may seem from a western or from our European perspective made makes may be seen seem ridiculous so that it's not it is important to make statements on these issues that free speech is important again and again and again and then of course we have the normal tools of of our diplomacy of our foreign policy that we need to use to pressurize people be it in international fora like like you and and you don't believe that a person like this Ahmadinejad judge is impressed by the but we get feedback again and again and I get feedback from a position you from the thank you for writing a letter of raising my issue that I was released from prison because
of the international pressure so I believe we sometimes under estimate the impact of
words and public statements have that the West is making but it's never enough it's important to do this
more words on that topic any questions for the from the audience down here at front have got a
question from matching because some exams already
white you put trade who is the culprit and use the warrior full freedom of speech and liberties and and I don't know so much about the blocking state so maybe you could tell me about that how development is in there but the opposition movement of some of the liberal part is actually quite a small percentage and that's quite a big rise of ultranationalism within the opposition movement and even non-violent it was like connected to ultra-nationalist opposition groups have and I was wondering I mean I can see how at the same time the state can use that to say like old we actually have to protect our population because this is an ultra-nationalist movement but then if I look at it some groups like the National Bolsheviks and the political agenda and sometimes make protein look like a rather vise in comparison your so I was wondering how you whether you have a duty data on developments in the in the arm blocking blogosphere all also would use strategies toward the ultra nationalist movements are think I'd I'd that's that's definitely a point and that's that's as he said the
point that they're using to to say we need to control extremism and terrorism
and and people that are that are a threat to society and I'm not I'm not trying to say that the blogger several goods and the government is so bad I'm just saying that that you know as I said before I think I think the big the the the the most basic there's a thing that 1 has to acknowledge when when you look at Russia is that the majority of the population is still happy with with their leaders and and and they're not willing to support anyone else never mind the fact that there isn't any other leader out there that could get enough backing from from the majority of the population so have I don't I don't I'm I'm not sure what
what what kind of thing and like a really looking for and then I think that the point lies in in uh in Russia it's not so much a black and white situation and it's very diffuse as a lot of fine lines there which makes it so complicated I think that's basically what I was trying to save basically is that you have and as far as the media is concerned and that the traditional media are by and large controlled and there and you have very little space for for a dissenting views and which also include these these culture nationalist and extremist views and and you know there's there's there's very little space for the for the public to to form their own opinion because they're not they're not these these dissenting voices find we heard again that might also be the problem of the public that they're not interested in these dissenting views because they have access to the internet and I are not are not trying to find them or or are not interested in listening to them to have time
for more questions I think so 1 am sorry had the standard microphone will come to you but can can I might to as the sort of thank you for your talk and I
just want to follow up on the question that was raised earlier of what Western government can due to aid Internet oppression and the question that my presiding age Internet as variations of preventing adherence to comment has been around the plays then what
matters relating the sketched out seemed to me
and to be quite passive and with the Ukraine we've just seen that there can be no no doubt ways of exerting pressure so I going can use sketch out what would be useful ways to for example and look at and surveillance and software to look at that providing infrastructure what do you think would be helpful from the general perspective but also from the perspective of people in Iran what China things can
amount to admission but I believe that the views of
world our hardware developed that can also be used for surveillance I think it is important that we we are free country and if things are not forbid their they're allowed us for export so we it's important to to put these kind of technologies on on the dual-use list with export needs to be there and specifically allow so I think it is important that these technologies are looked out just like other dual-use technologies that can be used for civil use but can also be used for repression and if these new NuGet technologies are developed that I believe that that what needs to happen with something else also needs to happen and it's not of course is good to call for the government and for for legal framework but it is I think it's also very important that western societies called on the responsibility of the stakeholders and big big companies like I don't Siemens Nokia however whether you you you're talking about are stakeholders of the societies and I believe they need to to they need to be called for their responsibility they are not as living on the moon and if the you know they're they're living in the society in our free societies and they have a responsibility with their products and I don't quite understand why why the greatest the situation Ukraine is passive I think that that there's a very good movement in the moment a lot of attention and I think it's a there's a very active moment momentum at the moment concern Ukraine is that what can set the issue of software yes the software X so all the of OK it would be would be the
numerous summary and the bad guy right now nonsense so what I wanted to just give a couple of or even the sentence and you know more about these issues and
live video and that would be really grounds for holding conversation that we have the time because it is interesting the role that technology on the 1 hand plays a useful sense of of helping people of to to you use the Internet better but also can be turned around and used on the negative side to monitor what's going on and we know from from speaking that often this this technology of of suppression is is a very valuable commodity on the market among dictators and possible China two-year onto non-serial North Korea's probably involved in and knows else down the line so it's definitely important for us to be aware of what's going on there and to you I I'm convinced also
remain in contact with those individual voices this courageous people who are standing up and speaking with the voice of dissent because if we can connect to them and community conferences like republican army are a great opportunity for that I think and then having the government also give words of reminding people what we need to do you come out on
freedom of expression freedom of speech is also very important I think to basically remain aware to remain connected and to remain vigilant then also of of those abuses this is really important here so thank you all for coming up fast rising Madison handling of uncertainty thank you very much and we also I'm
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Titel Revolution on Hold
Serientitel re:publica 2012
Teil 60
Anzahl der Teile 72
Autor Mao, Isaac
Abadpour, Arash
Löning, Markus
Mannteufel, Ingo
Zeier, Kristin
Lizenz CC-Namensnennung - Weitergabe unter gleichen Bedingungen 3.0 Deutschland:
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DOI 10.5446/21377
Herausgeber re:publica
Erscheinungsjahr 2012
Sprache Englisch

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Fachgebiet Informatik
Abstract The Arab Spring has brought hope to reform-minded people around the globe. What social media and digital communication helped bring about in Arab nations is now spreading to other parts of the world. However, totalitarian regimes have also discovered how the Internet and its tools can be used to reinforce control and oppression. What are the structural reasons why social networks in Iran, China and Russia have proven less potent as organizing tools than elsewhere? What role can bloggers on the one hand and foreign broadcasters and international media outlets on the other play when it comes to reform movements in totalitarian states? What should we make of western companies who provide the software with which dictators can simply "filter out" reformers? This panel is presented in cooperation with Deutsche Welle.

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