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Through its publications as the world’s only functioning whistleblowing platform, WikiLeaks has exposed corruption, political murder, torture as well as abuse of power on all continents. But not only is WikiLeaks publishing the unpublished. Increasingly WikiLeaks has to preserve investigative stories that classic newsmedia cannot defend against those abusing legal systems in order to stiffle freedom of speech and supress critical voices. According to the press, the platform has in its short existance produced more scoops than the Washington Post in the past 30 years. It has been called the most successful journalist operation in the world, and its internet address been said to be the home of free speech. Besides offering the most sophisticated legal and technical infrastructure for the protection of the press and its sources, the recipe for this success is very simple: WikiLeaks is upholding its principles, no matter what. Join us for a session about the state of the media, possibilities to defend our historic record and requirements for the future to preserve the 4th estate as an independent mechanism to control those in power.
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actually plan to be here with both of our public representatives duly in Asuncion me Julian is still in the United States after the press conference we had their last week so I'm the only 1 who going to be speaking here but nevertheless some
it's going to be in english so some what activities WikiLeaks so just for our own assessment it would be very interesting to see how many people here know about what we
are doing and if you could just give me a sign of your hands OK and how many people you knew about
what we were doing before we release the video last week but actually that's a good sign so OK WikiLeaks is a platform that is publishing information and actually were not publishing information directly but we're publishing documents from we accept any kind of classified censored or otherwise restricted material that anonymous sources can provide to us and we will publish this on our platform in a manner that it's not censorable by anyone and that is trying to attack this publication we do not and this is important to understand that we do not accept any kind of rule more if you've just written up from a document yourself describing that your boss is not a nice person more you're neighbors evading taxes or whatever this is not material that we are dealing with and we are anonymous in a way that our sources are anonymous and we do not keep any information about people visiting the website giving us material reading the material all whatsoever we are structured in a way that the platform is on some sort will be
speaking about this in a bit so and we have developed mechanisms to make sure that whoever is trying to attack legally attacked or publication or technically attack at 1 cannot take a publication down again and what we do and that's important as well is perfectly legal so it's not an operation that is some just benefiting from the obscurity of the internet but actually we are protected under various media laws all around the world and this also is very important and respected sources working with us because the communication of sources with us is protected under these laws as well so we are as far as we can tell the only functional whistle-blowing platform that the world has sold and there are some others some there for example is a new platform that of the European Union is offering to expose fraud within the European Union from the platform as a lot of small print if you read it carefully and it's not actually protecting any of the sources of its so it's not really functional in the way that we think a platform for whistleblowers has to be functioning we are a public service this is very important to understand as well so our goal is to reach as many people in the general public as possible and this is because we believe that a lot of the people that are out there and you know all about what is going on behind closed doors and in many cases these people know about corruption they know about abused in about torture or whatever there is to know and they cannot cope with that they don't feel morally bad about knowing this not knowing where to put this information and that's what we are offering and we are a promise without a common without compromising so we are giving the promise to a source that we will publish their material if it meets the criteria and we are not going to break that promise no matter what comes so this is also I think very important and I'll be discussing discussing this a little later on we also are for whoever he is representing the media we are European the premier supplier for fresh documents whatever we publish is something you most likely have not seen before and and we'd like to give this to you so that you can relate to the general public that you can write scoops about it and you can get all the same for it because you are writing the story we making in that respect to make an investigative journalism more affordable in time them as it was announced in times where new investigative journalism is suffering from cost cuts as always other parts of journalism on and as investigative journalism usually is the most cost intensive part of journalism the journalism branch we are trying to make it more effective and more cost and cost-effective the platform and that is the last detail is also an instance soaring your articles that means if your publication has been legally attack and for example this is a big problem in the UK and if you have been forced to take take down an article that you have written as a journalist because someone does not feel confortable about it or there are some legal structures to suppress your publication then we can help with this and we will republish your article on our platform to make sure that it stays in the light of the public I'll be talking about this and that as well so how does all this work just so you all have like a one-to-one understanding of what we're doing all the material that we receive is verified through a very large and robust process that we are offering so we're working with around 1 thousand experts from all over the world from all walks of life these are technologists cryptographers journalists human rights workers and general activists or lawyers all these people share the common base that they want to support our project they all work for free basically as volunteers the same as all of our staff is working for free and these people are engaged with whatever things we need to be done so every document we receive is being passed through a number of times but a random number of people all these people do not know each other in some and these people work on the verification of material as we can cover different angles like the technological angle the journalist angle maybe some specialists from certain countries knowing about certain historic facts or whatever we have a very robust process for this verification and from what we know this verification has not failed yet once we have never lost the source so that means that all of our protection mechanisms that we have for sources
work and we have never come have been forced to expose anyone from we never had to take down any publication no matter what we published I'll be giving you some examples in the bit we have never lost a lawsuit despite the fact that we receive legal fret about once every 2 weeks and we have never lost the server this also is very important it's very cheap and these days to render service somewhere and whoever feels that he wants to contribute to growing infrastructure can just to sold by renting a server donating it to us and it will be integrated to you will not have any technical issues and you will not have any legal trouble with that so what is the media saying about this we received quite recent feedback from 1 of the earlier quotes from the project was CBC CBS News saying that freedom of speech has a number and this number is our IP address and the Internet the Guardian says that we are announcing storable and untraceable depository for the truth from the National as it was quoted before has stated that we are we've produced more schools the Washington Times has in the past 30 years and target speaker quite recently for example title to come wrote that we are the most successful journalist and over in the world given the number of publications just to be precise so we've received quite some awards for the work we're doing which helps us to grow our credibility as well so in 2008 we received the economists index censorship award in the UK from last year I was electronica gave us and the reward and not the digital community from categories we have received from the new media days Award 2009 and in the last year Amnesty International UK has also given as an award and the new media category from T so that is a bit what about what we're doing and that's scared the scope of this project some examples so maybe understand better what we are doing and how this is also working 1 angle is as I said before that we are publishing documents that have not been revealed before so in some way we are publishing the unpublished um 1 example quite famous in the last few days from since the release last week is the Collateral Murder video it's a video showing what it was filmed out of an Apache helicopter from the come site it shows some the attack of this helicopter of civilians indirect from more than the bosons civilians have been killed in this attack it shows a subsequent attack from of this helicopter on a on and it shows how that Apache helicopters then attacking a building with an unknown number of civilians and 2 others who were contract workers have been killed in this incident as well from what is important about this video and this is why I'm giving these examples is to understand the facets that we can cover so this video was requested by the Reuters press agency for more than 2 years under the Freedom of Information Act and it's 1 of the perfect examples that show us that transparency while they are laws like the Freedom of Information Act to create transparency that transparency when it comes to top-to-bottom is not granted in many cases where it actually would be important to GM sold transport transparency can be enforced bottom-up by people that have this material and that agreed that there is no reason to deny such information to the public and we published this in full of the video has received 2 3 thousand 500 headlines within the 1st 72 hours and on worldwide and more than 4 and a half million views on you tube which is just 1 of the outputs we publish the videos on the video on some this detail will be important in a bit as well from another thing
we have published where the handbooks from Guantanamo Bay come we published from the so called service operation procedures for Guantanamo the standard operating procedures for Guantanamo for 2003 and 2004 1 2 but was important about these publications is that we received the handbook for
2003 at 1st we published at the American administration said all that is old news this was published a long time ago and even 2004 things have changed so what was enabled by publishing this full and not just writing an article about it was that someone else in Guantanamo who had access to this document said well I have the menu for 2004 and nothing has changed and got worse in some respects so here's my manual for 2004 so we publish the 1 for 2004 and we made a side by side forensic style comparison and we could just expose which is where the differences in the wording in these 2 manuals were and that nothing had changed and really it actually have been going worse we published could display together report from which for those of you who don't speak German is unlike similar to the military police that the German military has it's a group 1 that is engaged in the war in Afghanistan some this publication was very important because this is a very heated debate here in Germany and the whole war is not really something that all of Germany supports actually the support of for this war is very small according to a late see a paper that we have published recently more than 80 per cent of Germans are opposing that war come and Germany's involvement in it some what is important about this paper is that actually this report I was kept very secret by German military but some of the news outlets in Germany like build inch because of and I think the Dodgers well they had this report and no 1 cared to publish and they all just wrote articles about it and they gave some snippets to hypersphere this up but no 1 cared to give German citizens all the information that was given in this report to found or to have a sound basis for forming an opinion about our engagement in that war
so this is an example of why it's important that journalists do not keep documents just for themselves but they actually share these documents with other journalists and the general public with exposed corruption and murder in Kenya and this was a big story as well so we expose more than 3 billion dollars and corruption in Kenya on this had a very big influence on the Kenyan elections in 2007 so that is another angle we can reach we can have a very direct impact on the political sphere depending on who you're asking on we have had an influence on about 10 to 15 per cent of the vote in 2007 we also expose more than 1700 politically motivated killings in Kenya and the result of this publication was that after a general uproar in the world media that the United Nations have to take on this topic and some start an independent investigation on this again this would all not have happened if just the media had published some excerpts and a few outlets would maybe have been able to publish their stories about these topics but we have a of very large exposure of Bank Julius pair which is 1 of the largest Swiss private banks and we have published a lot of documentation but hundreds of millions of kind offshore the vehicles in the Cayman Islands it has exposed how this bank and their customers are creatively seeking
structures come to hide money from Texas and tool creatively make this the whole money operational it and the more efficient and it has been the most prominent attack and or publications of Bank Julius pair were the 1st ones that try tried to shut down WikiLeaks on they were successful to shut down 1 of about 500 domains that we have for 1 week this did not stop the general public at all to see the material and basically backfire because everyone worldwide was just getting interested in what this Swiss bank is trying to hide so this was an unsuccessful attack on since then the people that are trying to attack us legally have gotten a bit more careful and we published the long book for the code think tank in Iceland this was very important as well was the revelation of how basically all the nations in respect to this bank was cheated out of their money on to the whole Icelandic crisis bankrupt at all of Iceland is still an ongoing debate 1 and is a very important document to understand who participated in bankrupting this nation so again if this document would not have been published some news might have reported about it and they would have chosen which examples of that report they would have mentioned maybe after some political agenda but it would not have created the transparency of upon which every citizen could have based or could have made up an opinion or could have gotten the full picture of the situation so we have also published about 7 times 6 thousand 500 reports from the current Congressional Research Service in the US this is a tax some tax payer funded operation that is doing research for the Congress in the US so if any Congressman wants to know something about a certain topic he can consult this service and they will publish a report about that these reports are very evaluable because they are very detailed on their nonpartisan they can cross they can cover any subject the congressman is interested in and on there's a big budget for this some soul to we published all of the reports that have been published before because these reports are denied to the public and this is a good example where the public and lots of academics some depressed general citizens and whoever is interested in this is this information to has tried to do to open source the state to open up the government for publishing this and it did not work so again what we created is that we enforce the transparency here bottom-up and we sort of forced to the concept of open data in respect to this these publications so the another example is a Galvin report from this was a report that was published in the UK about the expense scandal in the European Parliament this Babar was some also published in some for example by the taxpayers association in the UK from a lot of mistakes were made when publishing this the taxpayers Association had also them had to take down from the publication they helped and this is a good example of that if people want to read up on it and on what can go wrong if you don't do such exporters correctly and if you do not have the legal and technical means to protect such a publication there are many more examples a few prominent ones for German so we have a large part of the toll collect some contracts that we published late last year and we've also published the right on investigative report from the prosecutor for example which I gave some transparency and how about a farm as a farmers from concern was paying off of doctors in Germany for prescribing the products we published the South African Competition Commission for example which created transparency in whole theorem banks are being within each other for that's a withdrawals of money in the cash machine and similar we also published which was very famous censorship lists for censorship systems for the Internet in large parts of the world so from China to Thailand up to Western censorship systems that we have and Denmark for example Finland Norway and other countries that is 1 aspect to the 2nd aspect as I mentioned before is that we can help from the media outlets that are under fire for their publications so we can come to the rescue and republish material that actually has been correctly research that that does not hold any default defamatory statements but that still had to be taken down due to the depression some we see this issue mainly in the UK and I'll give 2 examples to show what of the different angles here are we have a document in respect to partially bank and this document showed how their income is structured legally holiday entertaining a lot of subsidiaries all around the world and how the bankers makes it possible to fact funnel money from that actually would have had to be text in the UK how that money is funneled through their internal structure to different countries avoiding the 1 paying taxes and other things to some this was this report was published by The Guardian and the part guardian was immediately injunctive them they had to take down on the publication the publication was also available on our platform and the Guardian started writing on in articles that's the readers can read the full report on WikiLeaks From immediately this was in junk that as well so the Guardian was denied to report that we have published this paper come to what happened was that of parliamentarians up in a parliamentary debate and gave from to protocol that we had published this material and where it could be found on WikiLeaks and the Guardian then could not write stories about the parliamentary debate that said that we have published its report and in the end what what came out was that the truth prevailed and from the reader was informed a similar incident hidden in a much more sophisticated was Trafigura this is a commodity trader on based in the Netherlands and the UK from Trafigura was involved in a large scandals from In 2008 where a ship full of toxic waste toxic oil waste was dumped into the ocean on the Ivory Coast more than 100 thousand people got sick naturally leave UK press started writing about it so the Guardian the Independent BBC everyone was writing about it to do in the pieces radio pieces all sorts of different investigative stories come and 1 after the other in these stories happened in junk but again it's all up to today we can see that the stories disappear from newspaper archives which means that our historic record is not complete anymore and I'll be talking about that as well in a bit them to and from our editorial I have to support that and we there was a super injunctions so for those who are not familiar about super-injunction is that super-injunction means that the newspaper is not allowed to report that it had in junk that about a certain topic so you're completely character and you don't even know only have a gag but you're not allowed to talk about the GAC and this means that you can't even communicate to you read any more that's actually there is a topic that you would like to report about and you're not allowed to report about it anymore you can't even talk about who is suppressing you for who was some telling you not to talk about it anymore so we have this editorial piece that said that there are legal obstacles that cannot be identified that involve proceedings that are that cannot be some mention because they secret court rulings that you cannot talk about and this is from all on behalf of a client who must remain secret so you can't even tell them who is who is forcing the press to shut up here so this is an ongoing issue so up to today we see that more and more stories about Trafigura are disappearing from newspaper archives and from our perspective it would be very helpful if the press would just tell us about these incidents and there are many ways to contact us and we can just make sure that they are republished with us and all the work you journalists have put into the stories come from it's not a name you can still have it in the light of a public so this is a picture of how can you how you can help us and how we can help you and return solve them we'd like to and this is important that you understand that a lot of the media worldwide and especially in Germany I sometimes have the feeling is seeing us competition but we are not we are there to help you WikiLeaks was created to help the media to be able to have to make investigative journalism to publish pieces that are of importance
and I'm not just entertainment to get access to information that you would want to do research on that you would want to investigate and you would want to write a story about that is being uncomfortable for people that are trying to do some shady things in this world so help us analyze all of these tens of thousands of documents that we have no 1 had not had a look at the there are so many schools and then the schools are not always but they are yours and you can engage in you can write stories about it and get title pages with newspapers or whatever you want to gain credibility for the work you're doing that is something that we experience if you publish all your sources then you will be transparent and readers will understand that the research you've been doing as a journalist is credible this is the same thing that everyone in the academic world is doing people that are publishing effect academic papers are opening up their resources there the sources they have this has to be done and you can publish an academic
paper without opening up new sources because of this is a question of credibility and someone who is doing the same research based on your sources has to come to the same conclusion to as you at least in the ideal case to any journalist who is working incredibly and who wants to be transparent can help us by publishing his source material with us some by exposing his materials and enable all his colleagues all around the world to use that but material as well to write stories based on and maybe your
colleague has another document that he keeps secret all the time from that when the 2 of these documents together actually are what makes up the real story behind it and you would never find out if you didn't open so come another possibility is that you can become part of our distributed submission system that is something that will go life of this would mean that if you run the newspaper website you can get a piece of code for us to put on your website and this will enable all your readers to submit information to us using our anonymous mechanisms that we have guaranteeing in another phenomena and monomer t for your readers guaranteeing that we will legally defend all this material and we take all the heat for it and some it will enable your readers to give you a material so this means that we will see that a certain material was a certain document was submitted through your website and you will get the exclusive right of 2 if you will get to write a story from in the time frame defined by the reader and when your story is ready you will you can receive release the school and we will publish the document and together these 2 should be very powerful you can also help us defend publications from legal threats if you're a lawyer or if your newspaper has lawyers understand that our interests are the same as yours because we are trying to defend the rights of the press and the freedom of the
press so if you're a lawyer or if you have lawyers that like challenges some help us we offer challenges that no 1 else had before and it's all fighting for the accuracy of the historic record and in the end as a set we're always winning so there's nothing much to lose about but why maybe that has something come that's not entirely clear why do you need to disclose all the sources and why is it so important to publish these documents come from our experience of the information that is most kept secret where people put in most effort to keep this sequence is the information that can trigger most reform in our society and all the people that know that if a certain document gets disclosed it will change something and they will lose power all these people put a lot of effort into keeping this information secret so it is essentially important not only to to selectively reveal such information in a newspaper article but to reveal that information itself trading information that source gives you like an acid and Heideggerian hiding it in your own class it is not maximizing the political impact that a certain document has but in the last few days we have tons of media interviews because of this video we published and basically every journalist I talked to was asking me that what is it that some makes us so successful why of the receiving this material from and not the classic media and what we do is we disclose this material that is the recipe to our success we are not treating information from a secret as it was treated in the organization where it was leaked from but we are disclosing it to everyone else and that is what source if source gives you as a journalist gives you information than the source once that this information creates transparency in this world and creates a political impact and this is why a source does not want you to treat this as your your acid that is sitting in your closet has an advantage you have over everyone else and whoever has the biggest pile is the most successful journalists that is not what a source once a source once that this information gets out to as many people as possible and this is by far creating transparency and ultimately this is what the public interest and again if the public can read stories and they can read the source material this is what they can rely on in all the world where there's so much misperception and there's so much propaganda and on there's so much information out there that no 1 can really judge on what is important and what is not important what is misinformation what is this information what is what is maybe just someone writing after some political agenda and the only way to get credibility is by becoming transparent and by publishing the sources so so Help us all to write that history which is taken from the time that we picked history is from our perspective and that is what it boils down to history is the only guide book that we all have to develop into a good future to find out what was states have been made in the past and what do we need to do to avoid these mistakes in the future that is ultimately the only question that the journalist has to address some all you journalists out there defined what that guy who wrote a book will contain lose your decisions every single day to value or to to judge what is the important information what am I going to be writing about to entertain people or do I give them information that they need to do I think that people do not want information because they just want to be entertained and how much of my be part of all
of these people only wanting entertainment because I've been feeding them entertainment too much start getting real start getting back to the real story the information that is out there and again help us define responsibly what has to be written down in this historic guidebook that we have to help us to keep the historic record straight wake up please wake up and join the show it's possible to make a real difference out there and we'd like to we like everyone here to become part of so from that
basically is what I was going to talk about and I have to express my gratitude to some people and that is all our sources that are courageous enough to to get in contact with us to give us a new material and to help from us to to expose corruption torture whatever mystique there is out there and it is those investigative journalists that we would like to thank that have understood that we are not the competition but we actually there to protect them and to help them make their work more efficiently and it is to those people that are running our infrastructure that of supporting us with servers with cold whatever they are developing for us and this last but not least to come to our fantastic lawyers that defending us a week after week and defending all the publications that serve you and the general public but it all the things that I think that was used was that right thank that so that I don't I don't carry watch so I have no idea what time it is some whoever has questions I guess there should be microphones or so around there any questions I'm happy to answer them from my I'm not also be around after the talk so they want to do interviews or find some more detailed get involved or whatever is happening by the 5 minutes to reduce the do you have problems with them so if I want to protect my blessings I could spare me was a lot of junk in new computer all but that is 1 of the possible the problems there are so that we would receive so many publications that are just junk that it takes us a great deal to work through the we have a mechanism to prevent that sort of thing that is if you submit us information and we are asking you a couple of questions and these questions need to be answered in in order for us to look at the material and that includes for example why it is of moral importance or political historical importance whatsoever and also includes why you think this should be published and that's a this is an economic effort for anyone who wants to what spam us with junk and sulfide this has not happened at least not on a large scale I mean as any other journalists we received we had letters from people we receive documents that are happened so frightened or whatever but it's not to a level that we cannot handle this the Jeremy and anyone and the engine is movement of hundreds of person for like without using as you and I get a question in the form of a for some of the soldiers that for the latest each of the Collateral Murder know that many articles and were discussing about whether or not there was an apogee whether or not it was engagement with small arms fire and not discussing enough about the simple fact that the US commandment lied about it so my question uh it's a bit of the question that called the US to Julian tonight and is when do you cross the line between publishing the source and get into the editorial because calling it Collateral Murder making this collection of surrounding material was a bit of an editorial work as well you make this choice and from from my personal perspective from the this line had not been drawn clearly enough so WikiLeaks is publishing material and that is what the project is doing and we have also published the raw video without any commentary without any editorial on editorial by line and on the other hand naturally as there are many journalists and all of these journalists perceive it as their duty to write analysis about a certain piece or to make it into a documentary movie like it was made into in that respect and editorial comment this absolutely natural in the journalist world that is from our perspective also something that is very important to do because it's part of the duty of journalism is to put certain information with all the the knowledge he has been to the right light for the reader so it was from my perspective perfectly OK to give it this editorial by from it's just that there is some misunderstanding may be slightly between what WikiLeaks was publishing and that Collateral Murder is a journalist products that came out of this publication so I hope that answers your question at the end of the day in the middle of a fund-raising campaign and against someone interesting interim of access to some of the documents in order to ensure readers and the service that you're writing and what's missing of those documents just where the moral qualms about taking those documents down in waters the idea is that you have to sustain the operations that you're doing and and worsen the costs that need to be sustained on OK so in December we had to be so we were forced to take
on the website because of we've become too popular to sustain the website given the infrastructure we have them and there was no more leverage money from all the private money people have put in for 3 years to grow at this infrastructure meaningfully so we were faced forced to take down the wiki which is very resource intensive and um to also take on the archive in order to make people understand the need to donate and this was 1 of the toughest decisions that we ever had with in this project because all of us we we love working on this project and that is very dear to us to be able to work every day so so every day since then we are missing piece in in our lives basically in our daily lives we we would just like to work regulatory as we did before so I that was that was a hard decision to do but it was the only way to to our make people understand that we need more support we've been trying to do that for 3 years before and despite putting up more and more links saying can help us to to stay independent that led to the project all these things people overlook these kind of things when surfing the web site and it's all available and there's you didn't suffer from anything so we we all hope we will never have to do that again the basic operating costs the infrastructure is around 200 thousand dollars a year and that is because some people may think this is quite some money but that is because we entertain servers in a couple of those in countries all around the world not all of these countries necessarily I as cheap as hosting is in Europe for example some but this has to be part of our infrastructure to stay independent announces Oracle and do not being attacked season so that is the the basic cost and I mentioned before that everyone in the project is working voluntarily and so we do not receive any gratification or salary for what we're doing and if we if we would pay the 5 people that are working full time on this project from a basic salary and as well as be able to cover some of the travel expenses to conferences some communication cost all these kind of things then we're talking around 600 thousand dollars a year and we have by now raise that money for for this year I'm very by hope very much that as soon as I mentioned this knowledge and this does not mean that people think we do not need any further support that this a little bit the fear that we have at least I personally have come to but we will be able to come back soon on since December people of working on on recreating the website on enhancing infrastructure on offering you called come to for some solutions that we need and to generally bring back the site so I'm I'm sure this will happen kind of soon and we have an operational budget and everything for the next year so from that answers the question OK that's part and in especially and 1st of all really like to thank you and all the team and released for the great work and this is really impressive to see that and then just have to some weeks ago as a soldier work about censorship in Germany and modes this debate now recognize that basically half of my work force depending on documents that were published in WikiLeaks and it's often said to have my my work was a bit more complicated but it's but still held at this month the mall my interest analysis and there is on the 1 hand side these legal world where you try to defend yourself and I have heard the and interviews was you you you you give it to the present value and and where you mentioned in some of it another part of I would say that an attack on you like in American secret service that may be following you and maybe you are getting more and more pressure I mean we all know the companies and the military operation services they all have like forces we we don't expect so my question to you is and how it is being can you give them to pressure you you have them and then what strategies using human need to that so what you're doing and believe base to to to have you felt protected you know and yes we are legally protected but generally if from and that I think also for about every country and that is a problem every journalist has is that as soon as the journalist processes information or has good sources then someone has an interest in finding out what the sources are sold whether this is a government or intelligence agencies or just corporations they all want to know who is leaking information to a journalist so I think this is a general problem that everyone who is dealing with this has come it's not a legal problem it's more of an operational issue where you have to make sure that whatever you do from tracking your communication with sources is not as easy as as it might be so generally come we are we many of our people have quite technological background we have good encryption mechanisms and the mechanisms we use to communicate with each other are based on strong cryptography so that is something you can start with them to make sure that no 1 can easily get intelligence on what you're communicating with each other and you can make sure that I for example as a public schools spokesperson do not know about any service we entertaining and whatever you wanna do to me and you won't get any information about how to shut us down because such as simply do not know about it and that is a bit how this whole project is structured and it's also why a lot of our people are not known to anyone just because we need to make sure that they can work and they can work without being disturbed by someone and to yeah that this whole 1 of 1 of these may be 1 of the angles how we are trying to address this problem but generally it's just about being careful I guess that not the manager there OK there are no more questions that are sort of 1 more over there OK so the high thank you presentation is great he said something about people being entertained 2 months and he's lot to wake up see what's really going on and my question is the easy well to begin that people who are already interested in you kind of feeding from that and here we already have that stuff that's have the kind of 1 it as a you in many ways other people and nothing is annotated light of this disability people just wanna entertained in that senescence sense what you think about trying to get more people interested in what we caIl existing I'm trying to get people who aren't interested involved but from this isn't I had an interview once for for
TV show here in Germany and there were 3 3 topics that distributional wanted to discuss and 1 was the WikiLeaks project and 2 other topics were just about entertainment and when I talk to this journalists from we talked for quite a while about the idealism behind our project and the journalist from the judicial system that she thinks it's incredible how idealistic we are and she does not share that idealism because she always gets the feeling that people just want to be entertained and they don't want all this hard information soul my only reply to that could have been more was actually that by a giving 2 thirds of her to entertainment and just picking 1 3rd to 1 on the topic that is actually something substantial and she's making that decision and she is the 1 that is influencing people into perceiving that entertainment is more important than actually content or actually information that is what what that is the proper question of conditioning people need to be confronted with this and if they people are confronted with whatever over a certain period they will just about to it and it will feel like natural and after a while they will they will not they won't even remember that there was this content related things on TV or in the news it is just about reaching out to them and making them understand that it can be challenging and that there are things they need to know about and confronting them with it and I think that will solve all that is the question again of the responsibility of journalists and defining what will be written down in this historic record that we are defining in newspapers all around the all around the world every day again and again the desk at that might have is evident islands and you mentioned about some
of the the validity of taking notes editorial line just sort can challenge that a little and journalists of course are accountable their internally accountable because accountable externally with various laws legislation that maybe EU-wide specific within countries and if you are taking an editorial lines where's your accountability but it's the same as with any other journalists involved or at any other journalist producing a journalist piece as well the video clearly mentions who has been part of creating that editorials statement and it's in the responsibility of these draw this tool that you will hear nor not all the names are clearly in there and again what what what I said before I think it was from my personal perspective summer I think it was so optimal that this line was not strong clearly enough that there's WikiLeaks was publishing this unedited raw video and then that there is a journalist piece which is collateral murder which was produced by a couple of journalists that mentioned at the end of this video this line was not strong clearly enough from my personal perspective but from that again is also due to the resources we have there was a bit of time pressure involved and just a lot of work that had to be done so we are constantly learning from these experiences and I think that used for the Afghan video there are some lessons that we could learn from now that would be handled differently for the next video we're publishing so that is why the back to us also very important just to have that said as well it's not like we don't want any feedback or that we think is whatever we do is completely fail-safe on no 1 has done such a project before and every day and we perceive and how we can do it a little bit more efficient or how we what what what is what is the optimal or suboptimal for example thanks for the feedback OK so I think that's the 1st talk ever was was finished early thanks a lot for for all your attention and of the most successful local newcomers in the world there's more importance of renewable you know you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you not punishment


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