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as I said it's about Panama leaks and I want to get on stage much instead he's chief editor of metaborate chain that that mean I campaign he at the Web We Want Foundation and last but not least that although I'm I have 1 of the main channel if that fx dealing with Hadamard fantasy I've had to thank you uhm alone 1 uh I wanna say briefly in the very beginning thank you to the Republican for letting us do this panel and squeezing of in on very short notice as the Panama papers are
actually still recurrent I'm so thank you to the program to into everyone and congrats through fantastic Republic of 10 actually as well and there with me on states uh did not Frederick and I think everyone is aware of what pressure talking about what the Panama papers and we only have 30 minutes so I want to dive right into asking you about this and then
hopefully will have 10 to 15 minutes to take questions from you the audience and here so Frederick the legal the publication of the Panama was is only for 5 weeks so when you look back at it and even working on it for over a year from what I understand
you content with the the impact on what you make of the global reactions To be honest I was a little surprised by the impact because
we as we research into data for over a year it was like at some points we lost so the context to reality in a way because we always conduct our best this story who's going to research that and In the end it was us but speaking when I you do if this head of state I found that uh head of state what great but seeing now what this worldwide so investigation led to this great that we see that there is an international debate a global debate about tax evasion about this shadow worlds of offshore and but at the same time and for us it's still important to focus on our on the running investigations because I mean we're still digging into the data I suppose
they're still great stories hidden in in this treasure trove and we have to find them so for us the workers on and I think apart from the
political ramifications that spelled out in the hours and days afterwards we had a sort of interesting situations and that just hours after the the release in the publication that was a big debates is starting on the on of some sort of meter level come about the way this should be unpublicized so there was a lot of people from in Germany use out of 2 prominent blog bustle and you had like new generalist cities you due to all sorts of um Internet commentaries and and voices in the media and some media as well that actually um what kind of not happy with
with the uh reporting and were complaining that something was sitting from them all back and have just found it astonishing that the same people
that would complain about something being hidden from this shadow forces or whatever that that hide things were complaining about investigation that actually shed light on 1 of the biggest secret of the world what what did you make of that I mean that was
an interesting situation for us as well because we thought um that there may be discussions but not that fast because I mean we thought that people would the 1st step to become what what's hidden in there and of the revelations but we saw a recognize now that there was a apparel debate about the way of publication and mean that's good so it's always good to
reflect what we have done and should we should change something in the future and but for us what we have learnt about it that we have to
communicate very openly and explain what we've done and why we have done and why we have not done something so fast that was interesting but it was a learning process as well and then at your
reaction just I think hours after the publication that's on the evening of the polymer papers was remember tweet from you that read something like the full Doxygen happen and what what would put it you have what you mean by that and why would you say that an ivy action messin makes me from within that and add it it is basically banner might the main plays with old they not even their
energy even they will editions with the whole air elite of Central America there well air centromeric is 1 of the regions in the world with the highest inequality headed systemic problems of corruption and some sort of when we add that here enacted in Panama papers they were super excited you know because I said that in the whole region has a is easy these process itself and we setting up an anti-corruption at any situation and thereby a United Nations that have really like you we have we have a president in the in their prison and devices in the prison and around the the top of the stairs in prison but somehow the private sector is is the white protected and we know that the
day government doesn't act isolation they do these non-abelian so he was an and have beacon of cold war air day-to-day activities TV sense uh
engaged in these process in other countries so then we we saw nothing and we so and we use so that they documents would just glimpses of had what was going on the as especially my community of lawyers and human rights lawyers we had quite familiar with the their where weapon can of documents and we which kind of information we could found in this paper is if we had access to the whole database take for example dates the dates when coinciding with certain events happening into the country and matching the travels a public travels of lives on the public of the sweet and we did that
means that we have a bad day the
fake people that they would then be forced to sign and the documents and their offices and have have you have to all this so many layers of secrecy and that having that so let's is not there today that the basic would it was a way to understand a systemic problem and how to tackle by these mantling this complex complex nets SOI a site that we went like then steps back to the we went in a 2 2008 2009 times of journalist some and it was it was not in the west and we perceive to many of the people in the perceived that he was and your that is not trusting the intelligence and they leaky of people to the limits and things after the public good like we that the kind of their
daily data traditional journalism and you people even the Fed they dispersed knowledge is superior to the knowledge of a bunch of journalists and so I when you saying
some like published adopts a calling for publication to the like full public for example WikiLeaks styloid calling for a publication to sum to certain groups to lawyers for example to deal with the with these with these documents or or what what would your preference be give someone on stage of maybe it at all about it
obviously and my preference would be publication and the way that that by the way journalistic organization I I felt that we had a letter behind well behind the the way the way the journalism it weakens the jaw is a more is not a mean ISS and it was it was disputed and was like a actually that was 1 of the points and that made me really uncomfortable about the press release we are journal it's not like wikis it was like what anyway but year and the way that uh dieselization had handle and head they can actually the way that you can play with different their release is seen in the public interest and combined them I have done me by delete allows the documents every is specified by Panama papers and cross stare referencing we dare say cables released by WikiLeaks and and documents released by their a Dylan intelligence fires and all the documents that so that's when the situation gets we interesting because we are talking about situations that than a connected with each other regional and only the stability to play and now we have the computing of easy to it to get to the the do to conditions and to get the bad guys and save it to a place they deserve like faster but would lead drop we cannot achieve that then we need to be the opportunity um 2016 is actually sees the 10th years since of the
founding of WikiLeaks astonishingly enough and I think from we've seen in many different ways leaks and whistle-blowing can be reported in and our report and 2 strategies and the the way the documents and that from from Cablegate to collateral damage to slow the leak from and to things like Swiss leagues and stuff that delicious of of what has been working on from India into Dutch title some of Frederick
what would you say there is a is there a crisis in investigative journalism is there a resurrection is that has it always been
like this is traditional media picking up to outlets like WikiLeaks kernel I think at the moment we learned that apart from Wikileaks who by
the way do a great job and I like that here what they doing but but I think in the last years we've seen some alternatives to WikiLeaks because I'm mean 10 years ago WikiLeaks has had a unique selling point that was a time when investigative dollars had to learn the lessons for example regarding encryption and stuff like that and the cliques we was great and is great on that point but now we see that the blowers and sources to have the possibility to choose what to do they can go to WikiLeaks they can do them in their heaps and heaps of media houses who have to
include just ways of communication or ways of dropping information from or
even people that are going to N G O's like Greenpeace and dropping material there so for whistleblower I think it's a great time and the greater part because they can choose where to go and what fits their needs and for example what fits the needs of of regarding security because I mean I do really to a certain extent and with the idea that there would be advantages of publishing more data and but at the same time we always have to think about the security of the source and the source has to be protected I mean during this investigation there have been so many people worldwide revealed that may have interest of doing harm to the source so for us it's the most important thing at the moment to protect the solvent this has nothing to do with a feeling of superiority for example just this in this week's ICJ site in thinking about whom to involve in this project and to open it up because there are many
countries in the world that have not really reported to that extent that they should be
and but for us from the risk of exposing the source may be unintentional by I'm putting all of the data to the public that is too high and I mean for us a responsibility because we don't want our whistleblower uh in prison or even worse that I mean these have seen so little blocks that are in prison now and so I do understand the wish of the source to stay anonymous and at the same time or doing so protecting his life the doing well I just want to respond that the
day of publication of the the whole database can be gone in a way that each other at the same time serves 2 purposes I mean there are ways that you can actually do all not only
anonymized this this source with anonymized they had a range of periods of time and 1st document last documented my indicator for Slovene last enough of the person in that was the way that he was acquired have bullet um I I I do agree uh decently reduce air in AD and we were doing
is flourishing of maybe it would be really happy today that WikiLeaks those is not needed anymore deny there and all these brilliant people can move to the next you know thing but the this is still a need I need a week obviously as we have seen how mediation pressured although the reward to sensor and protect the powerful you know and you look at their at their recent history means make many media have been and the book like at the collision
of companies group companies of going out while powerful people at injunction injunctions and and all this and mechanisms but the thing that worries me the amount I you said that you are very concerned with the source out of order source at all media say that they're very concerned about the source I mean given the guidance so that they would they they were very concerned there was no within at the moment of their of their that release and this not institutionalized mechanisms to protect sources mean that they're not courageous institutional mechanisms to protect sources I mean the dude Amnesty International years years to uh to include and support chosen man he took I
he all their human rights organizations flows
with snow than I mean that's actually a M and part of the advisory board of course foundation we had to put together a GIS Foundation because no 1 was going to help you mean now everyone is basically you not at that moment was that absolute paralysis and inability to react and we protect the source I mean that's the reality in India in the West thinking 19 enough again nothing can have um and in Latin America many many Benson would be it would be would not as so I hope that the Indies creates an awareness that we need robust publication and eat as long as we have have robust mechanisms to protect sources it has a good source protection the 1 that occurs foundations trying to set up lead to more robust and are
fearless publication I think the 2 and since I mean for us we thought a lot about on this topic and and there are several points that are very important for us we spoke with dozens of experts and IT experts and experts on the inverse of share of business and they actually told us
you can not 100 per cent guarantee that if you publish this documents that there is no hint in that needs to the source and what is more important than or at the same time important for us is that I mean the source gave it to us for journalistic purposes and the source as far as we know is well aware that there exists something like WikiLeaks from so we to a certain extent also have to respect what the source as given given that the material us obviously because it wanted to us to work on it and wanted for example in this case I suppose Jonas working on this that had experience in that area and I mean all these documents there it's not like you will have a look at the document and the you really at the standard 1st watch at 1st glance what it's in the it um I think we only have 10
minutes left so I actually want to and give everyone in the audience the chance to
test questions with that will be hand-held microphones can't I mean if you don't have a question I would have some more questions but as soon as 1 back there
that the thank thank you and it was thank you very much uhm from the UK but you guys managed to force our prime minister and the chancellor to publish their tax returns but the didn't publish them all just
published a summary of the tax returns so thank you I and I understand what you said about you cannot really wikileaks violent understand people will be doing their best track source when is the next the release of information because in the UK what happened was this at the press really hot suddenly everyone is telling you about their tax returns we find that certain members of political parties resigned certain members of political parties have used tax havens so then what happened was that there was a media covered thing around the opposition party being anti-Semitic and not that white to tell it to the headlines like this to come back so when would you be releasing your next data is it is it coordinated or is it just gonna happen by bits and pieces are for
yeah but the moment of nearly all project partners still working on the material and of course we speak about so I want to be found
and we share our findings and in some cases resides and if some of the media partners want to go on the on the same day but there's no rule for that at the moment that everybody can go for it if the guardian find something in the data so we would expect them to share shovel that partners the findings but there's no rule that they have to stick to a certain publication date because this 1st date of publication there was of April was only important for us only to prevent all of the partners to get into a certain race of scoops because we wanted to work in a big group cooperatively and knots and about the fear that 1 of the partners may go only publish 1st so we have that's the reason why we agreed on a on a date to go out together to prevent this run but I can revised I know for example from the garden that they're working on many stories to Duchess out and we are also working on dozens of stories at the moment that are based on the panel papers and there will be a articles published in the next days and weeks but there is no fixed date somebody can say OK on July the 1st that will just be out there is nothing like that yeah this question over here and I
I I I would like to ask cannot actually and what would you say it should be the role of mainstream journalism so to say because we have for sure you need a mainstream media to to uh part of these issues but then you always have this problem that was pretty obvious here the journalists of cost like to kind of perfect protect their professions so they will never published everything because then their job would be can superfluous but what like what would you imagine what could be the the idea role of jobless and yeah I mean I mean not being a journalist myself a where I can see is that I mean the ACS superior value value and the it is the value of that there
a right to know all of part of the people and that is the value that it that's the fundamental value that together with the freedom of the press should be exercised as we have seen with is release for example 19 I'm person even more than 99 % air of the information that we never know you will not be probably somehow a little easy on the ear there's no warranty that this information will be published so the role of then an and in some of the countries that will
there's no naive and not naive enough upon a if they think of Michael into with the mallet we may never hear about these and so he's an
it is stabiles you know it this predicting the source is Cassini of the new salads they economic the economy of the use them and they're uh their really model and how the journalism get a gets funded and at the same time they right to know all of the people the you know a l on on the truth that only 400 journalists have access to and that they can decide whether by and specific agenda that what to do with them and ii a the the role of over the media and have more and more at uh we we radical change in the future and because it is not exempted from that could the institutional crisis that all in all our current institutions of I mean there's corruption describes this is notes of censorship self-censorship and there's a as we have seen in breast field there's even Debbie t of of a corrupt media to to have a DP hand democracy so so I think the role of them mainstream media right now is to examine itself reinvent itself and and and challenge it's not impose themselves even more constraints that the constraints of a over a half and be supportive of each other instead of young instead of and embracing a culture of secrecy that is when we are fighting against them I wanted to ask you and another question actually Frederick when when we
look at the the sentiment of of criticism against media and against a mean interestingly enough that the release of the polymer papers comes at a time and where there is a lack of trust into media organizations or dwindling trust that most prominently associated with this kind of horrible term being present but sent in Germany and also those of the funding crisis which is another thing and what would you say the way that uh um i see i j and and your organization approach this leak was actually on trying to trying to combat that and to putting it on different shoulders and stuff of of how do you see the role of investigative journalism actually in the debate around 1 interesting media organizations I mean that we learn of the last years that it's being more and more important to explain what we do for example so I mean we already bride frosted was the steps what we've done now and have them in
the face of life sessions Reddit sessions so we wrote hundreds of e-mails to readers explain stuff going to a conference like this and I think for example if I think about red and we would have found that 2 years ago but it was important to explain our work and to explain some of our readers why we have chosen for example not to publish everything and why and this protection of the sources so important for us and at the same time we can learn of this discussions for example 1 lesson we learned is that in these days we are trying to publish more data on the stories we already release it's like we already did it's but published documents uh regarding the stories but we will do more on that but it takes some time and for us it was at the same time we have to explain our readers so that we think that it's very important to address their questions but at the same time it's also important that we can go on the raw work it's like being into something
I so that's something where we had to find the balance I don't know if we have found it but I do understand readers that what they want answers but we also have to ask them for some time and we will try to answer as much questions as possible but at the same time we want to do our work and the workers the 1st hand investigated and so this fine of a way of finding the balance but I mean obviously it's very important to address
what the questions like that and so rebuilding the trust and conventional media from the the I think we
have time for 1 last question and whether that person is I would just ask you politely to be really brief because we're running out of time and as more great panels and but yeah lower shot by maybe look at but I would go on the lessons learned to that means there is a structure corruption when I look at Shun me I can't get the information off the companies
pulled by rule that means I have to pay I think 3 you're all floor Europe to get this company registrations when I look to other countries I don't get information at all in UK there's OpenCorporates but had a look at a tax havens at this information I think it's not available so I think we should learn the lesson to publish all information at for example there are so many companies in UK all houses what bought by foreign countries other countries do so I should just say it's not possible that cooperation in Panama can buy a house in UK what's about to say at last we have know so I mean from a German perspective regarding no such
datasets belief to us it's we have a certain restriction that we cannot publish everything and because they're prepare restrictions due to the German Pesic that's so we only allowed to publish things that are of public interest and stuff like that but what if the ICJ's during our next week is they actually are going to release a database with the kind of media data of the date of the Panama papers and the that
is for example information that is can be found in some countries in the company registry but in some countries not so there is this 1st step a um off building up a database of about some losing the possibility to protect the source because it will be the media data and I think it's important because it will be important tool for investigators for N G O's for lawyers but some still we couldn't do it from the from Due to German law but ICJ's doing it and I think I personally think it's a good idea but but they also will not be able to reduce the original documents because their again we're at the point of protection of the source and I hope that all going for us we do that I mean for me is like
2 hearts beating in my body because I do understand that people would like to see all the original documents but for me it would be personally but it would be a catastrophe if we release something that may lead to a to the exposure of the source and In the worst case
even fortress to to the source so for me it it's hard to but for me the life of the source is more important from east
it the easily read and hard to trust for like f 100 media outlets having access to these kind of documents and then claim that led you are trying to do is to protect the source I mean it is hard to believe that it's hard to believe that it would be at PABSEC circle of thrust of 400 if 100 journal is working in these it's really hard to the site
and I have experienced of villagers sick even unintentionally even make a small negligence 1 mistake you know so I you do not take that the argument of source protection with
regardless I think that 1 of the very important that tools that journalese need uh these open date dabble corporations and that's key and that's a 5 it's the distance can help to an air L pushing for the release of that key public keep key data
that should be public and that should be free as in free beer I mean uh journalism with a minor we're trying to do acts as the Cabré databases and was so
expensive that they needed budget that they already have 4 it there but if you need only investigative journalism that explains the that the good enough for I mean each it is unacceptable that journalists get have to pay for information that should be in the public domain we need more information we meet me more the data that we can cross reference and I think is 1 of the input the lesson and the 2nd important lesson we need that as I said like a again support course Foundation and even by the creation of simila foundations everywhere to protect sources the that thank you cannot have
thank you frederick thank you everyone for being unfortunately we have to finish the
discussion now is the next panels coming up but I guess from what I understand there will be more publications that will be more debates on that some he concealed Twitter handles their tweet at us we can debate on Twitter we can debate here at Republican kind yeah thank you for being here thanks to both of
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Titel Panama Papers
Untertitel Investigative Journalism, the „Lügenpresse“ & the age of Big Leaks
Serientitel re:publica 2016
Teil 49
Anzahl der Teile 188
Autor Hoppenstedt, Max
Avila, Renata
Obermaier, Frederik
Mitwirkende VICE Media GmbH
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DOI 10.5446/20681
Herausgeber re:publica
Erscheinungsjahr 2016
Sprache Englisch

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Fachgebiet Informatik
Abstract The Panama Papers not only shed light onto a secretive system of tax havens and hidden money, but also sparked a debate about how a leak of this size and scope should be reported on. Even before a public relations crisis broke out for politicians using the services of Mossack Fonseca, strong sentiments of scepticism and criticism emerged about the work of the ICIJ and publishing outlets. Could the treatment of the data be biased? Why was Putin featured prominently in the documents while US politicians were absent? Should the 2,7 Terabyte even be published altogether? In the age of digital media, where every user is also broadcaster, the means of publication themselves quickly turn into a topic of hot debate. Which practical ethics should whistleblowing and journalism apply today to ensure that the public is served and informed best? How should investigative reporters react to the feedback of its readers? And how can we make sure a leak’s revelations don’t get lost along the way?

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