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The talk is going to dig deeper into the functioning of the European Union to help to make people understand what the EU actually is and what European citizens have to do with it.
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if it next session can impossible it is explaining how the EU works and this would try Grammy from cows Computer Club when just a few that managing director of European Digital Rights thank you and you here security much
um handling Americans on the talk abort of European Union and so the purpose of this talk is tool explaining
um how work as European what European Union is um what's players are there
and how to influence of politics on that level we are going to have this is a very dry talk of stories or that's but um we we try to make it guess no like as um understandable as possible and um we used to hope that you can take something or if it so the main thing the main question is and how how do I talk to the right people at the right time about the right topic so we are going to all used up and then they're like word of the of the structure of the EU and then we're going to talk about what know like uh lecture policy which is as you can get a protection regulation that you're uh watches a reporting a couple of weeks ago your and the European
Union and is like it's not all of you look it's like on the on the cover of states uh including some areas are in every councils America and it doesn't include for example Switzerland and of Norway and Iceland but they have closely associated Bureau getting to that later and the you
is this part so it's just from 2009 or 2007 so just 10 years old you can't use it a lot with other things and in the Germans used to were uh old and it under as it you you uh accumulated on the union and but it has infected long history because it started as a military and uh um to like the um was major treaty and couple of priests related things and I get more but more and more of the kind was involved and uh um In 2007 earned the Lisbon Treaty actually and as a base for the you horiz right now and the EU itself
consists of 28 countries and they are much more treaties in gesture the European Union is never the nice pictures to him a taken formed from the kth explaining the different um treaties that bit so this is just the you the eurozone is only a couple of states there are some states missing and then we have like something 200 um corporations for example the got group of these other used of more of this in European countries to by the Assembly but it looks and the comma travel area between Ireland in the UK and they may have you P in economic error which also includes um distance-time Iceland and Norway and the so
those 3 countries have a treaty with Switzerland court after and the also have European Customs Union Union which includes Turkey at some you'll Monaco and a regular on the moon the nor at the Shing error and is like a couple of and countries from the European Union but also all that is if the country's soul and the other then it's account of
fuel and this is like the important bit here is because of Europe the cause of the European Union is often die confused so this is like a a treaty of uh 47 countries including Russia and but um some of us that are not a part of the European Union so this is a completely different treaty and then you have like a couple of more things that are related to the eastern uh elect to countries that are not part of the you all that I want to get the EU and before that they are in other um In other treaties in order to prepare the for the loss of things they have to have in place in order to get the name of the European Union but we are
only focusing on the European Union the other stuff is just to work understand what it is all about souls that our mention
the Lisbon Treaty so there are on the cover of things or to make it a week uh convey confusing because uh the European Convention of Human Rights was actually done by the College of Europe and the European Union but and this is no part of the of the course and contract also treaties and it also at uh defines the responsibilities that you actually has earn and things like that you might have heard of the European in initiative that it's uh that enable people to work I have a to petitions and things the and a couple of other things that are and that she quite helpful for example that the civil society has that our but ability to win knows that you that the European Parliament has much more rights on on on like a better say when it comes to which regulation then
and our base is actually uh article 11 uh that that says that the that the institutions uh should include civil-society and and based on that a reaI included in a couple of loss of of thoughts of the poorest cycle the and just
explain um briefly what other the 3 main parts of a European or making up and its status as citizens they will they vote for the European Parliament who so this is a direct election to the parliament then this is also elect the national parliament and it's more less um the same and in in most countries so that the national parliaments and that's the the mission the government this gets part of accounts of European Union automatically by other treaties yeah very comments the European Commission to the European Parliament and the European Parliament agrees or disagrees tool um the Commission proposed by the council that is basically what the is 3 dB a whole so this report on um for these 3 institutions of constituted the day so let's
start the hegemony of another person and and the European institutions so the European Parliament is the 1st of the European institutions that we want to introduce to you tonight um so contrary to Obama's tax is most of the Parliament's work is actually Lifestream um there I uh 751 parliamentarians and they work and 20 Main Committees and 2 subcommittees and every political group has a coordinator and then for a at each and every committee there's also secretariat that's organizes the work the discussions the votes and so on and then from every political group for um has also secretariat which was then I of course more political and each and every other member of the European Parliament can have between 0 and a couple of systems and the assistance of the parliamentarians are really very important because they know about well most of the times better than their bosses and the details of the of the dossiers and well because parliamentarians really have so many doors is to oversee that they cannot be an expert in everyone an so this is the
composition of the European Parliament and as I said 751 the parliamentarians and so on the blue group here is the p the European part of People's Party it's the conservatives which include so the city will for example then we have the S and the uh the Social Democrats are they have 190 of parliamentarians and well since the 2014 elections so these 2 big groups often form a big coalition the and then there's also the green groups 4 and where's and and of 50 members but it also includes 1 pirates of you we have enough then we have the other group the yellow ones here and which they the liberals and they also includes for example the FTP and the 66 and the Netherlands and then there's also be our European United Left was 52 seats and you have all these the right wings the D ends E and yeah enough and and this
is the composition by country and so surprise surprise the big Member States have a big influence some birds yeah yeah or like a the the the fight because Member mustard France UK Germany Italy and Spain there for half the seats but it doesn't mean that much that you would expect because uh that's not they don't speak for that country this there's before the country and uh for the political ideas so it's not read how it looks like but still it is like an interesting uh we can't assume operative here that these 4 countries that you read probablement an so yes so as I
said there's 20 comedians and 2 subcommittees and the parliament and for a digital policies and the other doctor once here I actually the ones that are most important for us those are the I need a comet it with the Civil Liberties Justice and home affairs the questions and then the feature Committee Industry Research and Energy and the InCo Internal Market and Consumer Protection unfortunately it's mostly more in than co that's being discussed in there and then there's also well international traits they discuss trade agreements like t to the parties that and so also at the time well a couple of years ago actor
hands yes so am every member of the European Parliament and can be in charge of the dossier and they are then called the puppeteer and because they are higher than reporting about the dossier in plenary to their colleagues and different parts um 1 point it is important usually in environments like you're built in the stock and the diffraction is responsible for this so you have a completely different way how you approach people therefore there reunited responsible persons for those policies for this is like a very interesting things yeah and then
also the political groups can each have their own property and they are then called shadow rapporteurs and so well when the parliaments discusses legislation that is being proposed by the European Commission they can modify the text and they discuss these amendments in so-called so the shadow meetings and these often take place behind closed doors and but it's not a very democratic program and yeah process and 1 example for the data protection regulation of that just finished yen for the Bible biased from the Greens was the interpreter for that 1 yeah
so no we come to to 1 of the continent's 1st and the cause of European Union
um this is a set not to
confuse with the Council of Europe and this is the this is like this is the Government's all of those European member states or the Member States of the European Union and they uh but is actually go ahead in terms of uh there's a meeting of uh of the heads of state and at the applicative soul and 5 small important I that because of Mrs. 3 she in that 3 I'm I'm also confuse are from from editor with the the OK and and uh have a change the talk so I'm a flight or do you sold and we we don't know much about how their 150 working groups are working in but how old they are really organized in terms of EBI we don't know know much you get are some people that at the top of the board but it's not really a very transparent process and we don't really have to do a lot with them that's what that's what we have in the year of for the blood or tool lobby them to lobby this type of group you have to go to the Member States and it's uh the the the the measured governments or manager parliament I mean we don't even know who is actually sitting in these 150 working groups they don't publish Stan and minutes and they don't
publish so yeah documents and with little bit books to presidency has a very special
um role sort through the time a preventive thing they don't have a board but uh they can push it uh their agenda forward so example is that the cape which that retention um was another example for a The Netherlands uh I would like to push uh encryption policy soul they can have a big influence because for for half a year they are in charge of um organizing all the meetings and so they can an agenda in this period like in interesting part of the Council as a create as a
complete uh pretty good composition and it'll be different in the parliament and you and that reflects like all of the European and Member States or that but government uh there so the important thing to understand is and foremost Schuurmans for example the yellow and all only lose uh something like uh um uh left troll uh and like uh a out do roots but and many of those are right roots so they're like for example in in in an invasion deliver which I to the right uh before that it doesn't it looks like if there's a melody from the left but it is not it is clearly not this like emeriti for the right things
and research institution that you're talking about is as the Commission and the Commission is only
the institution they can actually introduce law there's no other when the consider k here this is like the text and this is going to become law and it also on the other it's like a um 27 Commission has become a viewer with and that have like different responsibilities for like different parts of of policies that are that are going to which would be introduced and they also all um and she was according to vacation uh on European level but also in a state level so it can also or uh go to the Commission if you see that that's in the occasional in it the the Commission it itself
it's very different although the your Commission is very different to the Commission's uh designing over the last years because younger introduced some like likewise presidents which actually from there or from from a small Member States and ends the nite momma commissioners the idea behind that is that if you
take for example the UN under Pu was responsible for the using a model which is 1 of the biggest and most important but he is that we have overseas and uh um the policies from like several commissioners and from some they have to report on the state and he he is like you know he gets to know about everything that goes on in like and other parts are on like with other commissioners that are somewhat related to woo as those of a bit a because you pretty composition
and is pretty much like uh the 1 from um from the counter that the difference is that like the conservatives have a little bit more in the 2nd half of all of the uh the Commission our from the EPP and this item is from the from UCI and and uh and so this is like and use in is the like of for people from from from from from 8 hour also were in the in the president always present position
and there the book of or of the Commission is an divide into quality Director-General and they're 27 of them some of them have to do with the actual like real the topics or politics and others I'm all for certain services uh that up about present you for example digital so they cover all the ones that we use it with most like trade for example or you connectors over more potent ones and also with the Secretary-General in um for general I think there you had decisions and the
OK demands besides well these 3 institutions that we just talked about so there's also a couple of other advisory bodies of the you for example we have the European Economic and Social Committee which represents organized civil society and um then also the European Committee of the Regions
and also a very important so body for us as the European Ombudsman and currently the European Ombudsman is Emily a Rayleigh who investigates my maladministration of the institutions and well this means that citizens can go to the Ombudsman and file complaints if they see that the institutions so don't work correctly and so and she really rocks the boat because some while she has been pushing for greater transparency of the institutions greater transparency in trade negotiations of for example she opens up a public consultation recently on transparency and that heated negotiations and she also pushed for a whistleblower protections in the EU institutions and
and well the agencies are legally separate from the EU institutions they're independent and have been created to just fulfill certain roles within the EU legislation then we have also well for digital policies very important is the barracks the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications who is now working for example on producing that insanity guidelines in order to well tell the Member States how they have to implement the new method Shalizi regulation and but we also have the EDPS the European debt objections supervisor who gives advice and opinions on draft loss and how they can affect our right to privacy
and then there's also very important to mention the Court of Justice of the European Union it's the highest courts in the union and so well individual citizens cannot go directly to directly to the courts and but national courts can refer a case through the CJEU and and you might remember the Data Retention Directive after 8 years of abuse of our privacy rights the courts of some actually declared that it was illegal and 2014 so so in
all we know or not institutions um and uh this uh the would come back to woo whole uh laws are made of the data but to work at the Leica run over everything the raid that's um that's regulation or directives are pushed is that the Commission proposes legislation the Council and the parliament both as demand of the old positions and proposals and they either agree or they don't agree and then you get to the trial where they negotiate discuss uh the room to regulations and there are a couple of like um interesting expect of it but he would come to get to it's all this is just a very very brief overview and so all the other
part of of policy-making is the influence the that's um so parties have to with the 2 lecture pouring a picture for the making and um there the ability to which we would is like Gropius saying that progress and the the
main difference is that um etiquette lobby for a like fall for human rights of full for fugitive ethanol like a business model y as most of the lobbyist lobby before business models in 1 way or another and this like a discussion that in the in the in the counts in the in the in the Commission saying yeah but um companies are also civil society that is true but it is still something different because they are normally you um real before the business model and that
transparency which in the you a sort or to work to work and had the good and that's a successful lobbying um moon uh do we should reduce or in a in a defense just that means that you get the cover of information abroad the future regulations and consultations is also necessary to get immediate sense on excess which they collect the ship on batches this day um it ahead to which with exists to the Parliament without asking um uh parliamentarian all this system to work to get access um yeah and the other thing that word editions like that of a ministry but also or some sort of organizations of that pretend to be years of society but there in not
and verdict urges that set the like uh and on languages says so you work images so they're and due to these to be renewed every year and in this lecture it off of that information that you were you have to provide for example if you work on organization uh and direct tools filling but you will your financial aggressive like that and affiliations and the
uh the group that I reduced set are roughly 9 thousand half of them are diagnosed lobbyists and a trait people and and you always are roughly is hurt yeah yeah yeah is
so let's give you an example
of an NGO well my and you know that I'm working for and Brussels and and how we are trying to influence the policy making so an we
have an office in Brussels and and the umbrella organization of the European digital so rights groups from across Europe and that we were founded in 2003 and Valentin actually and as European division rights and 1 of the founding members was the CCC but there was also Privacy International but that's of freedom from the Netherlands and so today we are 31 organizations and total and so we were founded with the idea to influence digital policy is at the EU level because at that time already some of these groups understood that once the policies are being adopted at the EU level it's often too late to and well have any changes so once the the loss hit the Member States
so I am yet we focus on defending human rights in the digital environment and we also function as an early warning system so we monitor the plans of the European Commission and the European institutions and we alerts our national members that's the well things like the data protection regulation are coming up and that these things are important to work on an
yes well we also some draft position papers then of course and we also propose our own to the draft laws that are on the table and
our 4 key priorities right now as I data-protection surveillance copyright and Tennessee but we also work on horizontal issues like traits or privatize enforcement of privatized law-enforcement because these 2 topics come up in all of the 4 key areas um
so the Commission has kept us super busy and recently in the past months there were some I think I 12 consultations since last year and consultations are really really important so if you want to get involved adds policy making at EU level and yet because it's really important to assure that not only industry response to those but also citizens and also the a tree re read so um and and very often you have like a an event after consultation invite or people that you responded In order to ask questions or rivers cussion ball certain aspects of your answers so this is
really important and well unfortunately is sometimes the Commission constructs the public until consultations in a way that is a bit difficult so for citizens to and for example from last year there was a public consultation on the U. U. S. trade agreement took but you had only 90 minutes in an online session to respond to that rather complicated set of questions before you were kicked out of again of that session so our job is also to create a entering guides for citizens and help everybody respond to the to the Commission um yes so let's give you give you an overview of the policy timeline and how loss actually being made in Brussels and because well now you know who the players are and where the discussions take place and now we can show you how exactly the policy-making
works so everything starts usually with a policy debate in public debate for example people complained that well this event detection rules I completely outdated so uh and they need to be adapted to the digital age um then the public debates becomes a policy debates in the European institutions and during the policy debate the Commission usually announces the legislative plan and so-called wrote maps of and and its annual work program and during the policy debate also launches the public consultations and so on where everybody can provide inputs and so as an example of the General Data Protection Regulation was kicked off already in 2011 and that at the time and generally 2011 every respondents to a that consultations and then after that consultation the Commission starts drafting internally and then there's also an internal deadline and internal period for the Commission and in order to get some comments from all of the other commission services and this is called the interservice consultation and this is very interesting because during this period you often see Vieques because that's the way for different services of the Commission to love each other as well because of 1 part of the Commission is not happy with what the other service that that is in charge of drafting the law the Texas very likely to be the and for the date of election reform of for example the Americans were super actively lobbying the Commission during this phase and they place them of some phone calls at a very high level just very shortly before the deadline of the Inter-Services consultation and this then had the results that the text was watered down even before it came out because this is simply a sum of the Commission services issued negative opinions about the text that was prepared at the time by the chief justice and sphere and the lower part of the graphic you see how have works so during the entire phase of the Commission we also do some advocacy work and we try to meet people and the Commission and then the proposal comes out and the Commission you need to know need that is working according to the so called principle of collective responsibility and so the decisions are taken collectively by the College of Commissioners and 2 once this proposal opposition is adopted the entire Commission meets the defendant's and for the date election regulation and actually published the text in 2012 so exactly 1 year after the public consultation took place and what the Commission is also doing is it is drafting impact assessments of the planned measures in order to show that the well that the proposal is is effective and that it is in line with the are for example fundamental rights and but they can also be exceptions to this rule as for example the time well anti-terrorism directive that is currently on the table was drafted in only 2 weeks and so there was no impact assessment and the reason was of course because of terrorism and so I'm yes as soon as the proposal is public and of the Council and the parliament start working on the text and the parliament is starting to draft amendments in order to modify the yeah the legislation in the case of the data collection regulation there were almost 5 thousand amendments so there were a huge piles of paper is everywhere and the rapporteurs office and then very shortly the process and the parliament is that's you have 1 committee in charge of the file the lead committee but you also have other committees that i issuing opinions and these opinions then feed into the work of the lead committee which then proposals that the text the true the plenary and so well for the general that objection regulation it was easier for us to work with the parliaments because well as for coming explained earlier the other institutions are not that's transparent and also civil society pressure is really much more effective about with elected representatives yeah and and then the negotiations between Parliament Council and Commission start and and so-called trialogues and the whole process then ends with a decision and the adoption of either way of regulation or a directive the regulation is directly applicable in the Member States and cannot be modified anymore whereas the directive actually other Member States have some room of maneuver in order to implement according to well the national specificities the patient's status and so so forth in December 2015 the European Parliament Council and Commission reached an agreement on the data collection rules and so just so now in April 2016 the regulation and the directive was adopted by the power parliament and by Council so the general data protection regulation that took 4 years after the publication of the proposal to be actually adopted and then it usually takes around 2 years for the Member States to implement EU legislation and the date election regulation will come in forests and 2 thousand and 18 but if 1 Member State does not implement the EU legislation then the Commission can launch also what what is called the infringement procedures against the country for example and as it was the case for Germany with the Data Retention Directive um yes so we're
slowly coming to words and and now
and we want to give you just a brief overview of the dossiers that are out on the table right now and so on as we just explained the debt-reduction regulation is done on the and this directive is has been finished the trade secrets directive has been finished also UPN iron has been finished the European i is but basically data retention it's a surveillance measure some for at apples a data are flying in and out of the EU and this while European I was pushed through very quickly as well after the reason terrorism attacks and then we have as an overarching issue everything related to the digital signal markets and ongoing right now as is the anti-terrorism directive the Parliament is supposed to adopted them anytime soon before the summer break at least that is the plan for now then we have also upcoming now the copyright reform and the copyright reform started last year with some initiative reports in the European Parliament that were not so legislative work but so where the parliament just issued opinions about how copyright should be reforms to the European Commission and the Commission will now hopefully soon come up with the actual legislative texts in order to well update the rules that are still from 2001 also and then also upcoming of we have the smart borders package and voluntary measures ancillary copyright so it is very likely that the European Commission is going to come promptly and the very bad texts from Germany and licenses should placed into you long and of course we will try to oppose this and so the next big big fights for privacy on the European level is the reform of the EU Privacy Directive the Privacy Directive deals with cookies trackers but also encryption from so yes so the result is that the industry lobbyists mostly are already getting ready in order to yeah well they plan to kill the the directive completely
Hey the and yeah so does the a couple of examples of of fast track policy making as I said before there can also be the exceptions to the rules will sometimes it does not take 4 years in order for law or a draft law to become an actual the you long so of for example the anti-terrorism directive was drafted in only 2 weeks Parliament is now as opposed to adopt its and only for there was no impact assessment so uh the Commission doesn't didn't even show us that the proposed measures were affected they didn't show any evidence that this would work and yeah now it's being rushed through Parliament and but apart for aside from the legislative work of the institutions there's also from time to time some other projects and initiatives that are not part of the general policy making process like the EU internet forum so the internet forum as a project by the Commission and Europol in order to fight terrorism and also hate speech online and here they sit down with a couple of companies in order to encourage them to act quickly against well potentially illegal stuff online and this is of course highly problematic because while the actions that should be the responsibility of the state there are now being handed over to private companies and companies thereby become judge and the century over our communications yeah
so this is what's on the table now so what can you do to keep up with all this all these things that are happening at the EU level and so there's not really 1 of them is the solution and you still have to look around and many different places in order to get the info for example from all of the uh institutions websites but you could also reads the underground with articles about current policies and there's also a couple of flights publications in German and nets political Doric also has a couple of articles from time to time about stuff that's going on at the EU level and you can also check out views study you and directive an years inside their cover of um project at had was
flexibilisation or like a engages in terms of like a room uh open interest and has a huge database all the people that are um that I like lobbyists all people are our regular and uncertain directives or certain certain yeah and
contract is also very interesting part track is basically gathering all of the data from the European Parliament's website because that's still not very easy to find a k which so a parliamentarian actually needed to what on which dossiers so project tries to combine this all very nicely and neatly into 1 place and said you want to do uh yeah
so um and we as a person sets of the 2 only like and enjoy this thing with the kids a girl like imaging with it this and there lots and lots of um organization in the member states that you have all the issues that in and it's 1 thing to do service to support them either like financially all like really helping them in project and they're or need help the and looked and that was not a state is very important that more people and being in the to tool to get through to 1 to do more collocations responds in and of that because it's like the more the better input they have it is a actually has an impact on em but I mean yeah
and the last slide actually attend tend uh the the top 10 uh mobocracy tips uh if you want to work and talk to people in brussels I that for example a couple of uh she didn't not very nice for example I wasn't very nice here like of because my 1st engagement was shocking at the end the entry in which is perhaps never read you in but in general there and it's really about you know um being either being honest is very important not to want to Bouchard them but you know it's OK I know this is I am I put it to work like that but this I don't know what this is like all I don't care or whatever but is really important to move it there the August and PU consistent and everything bird or a tool her success or you work and you also have to be understanding especially with the pilot European parliamentarians because well
as since they are a and wall politicians you cannot always ask the impossible of them because that puts them and they are not so nice spots and so you always have to ask for the possible and you also have to be a bridge builder especially when you work at the EU level and there are no 1 from the wealth constant enemies are constant friends you always have to try to find some well your headlines and you have to be consistent so you have to ensure that so well in your analysis and the things that he actually 1 from the people are and clear and consistent and you should be brief because the policy makers don't have time
yeah the soul some little from us a theory much for your attention um I think give a little bit of time for questions if you have any yes I think so you plus and of the is it on them
good and I've point all question that's a good spot lawmaking or access to European Union call it looks simple it's a my experience is if
there is a violation of European Union law to commission it's highly political they can deny and they just sit there was no 1 relation European citizens they can't go to court and um even though Ombudsman wants to say at these infringement proceedings they're highly political so and there is a democracy in the European Union and the 2nd point you made a brief comment it's about tryout processes arising 70 per cent of what you more often you legislation is now negotiating there was 1 parliamentary hearing the fullest want and then it disappears and is not public at all
and if you spy as a 1st of all I am I a I refer to the 1st person soul and you ask whether the democracy is so um if you believe in in the democratic processes that say for example and I want you from Germany of a of soul them this is like 1 thing supporting off your resentative so this is a very very strong thing to do in terms of you know like having on people would do something what they know whatever look the same exactly the same principle in the EU Johnny differences at that and the government that the drooping elect to Commissioner some of the European government and it's not such a strong link between the user or the parliament in the EU and the like the the government of the you like you would a half in the in the in the Member States they looked and that of part and not really like nice and what much transparent and especially the trialogue for example it to be like you work for 5 years or so on prejudice the and that it can happen that on the last king of the trial to say OK we just put that out and you have no influence on the text soul they are still things that I'm not perfect but um as clearly seen at the beginning the cycle the timeline it improved over time so the end I believe and that there our are possibilities through form that over time because I think that should be quite nice structure that we have there and that enables us to would have influenced you don't influence to the cause of Europe for example they're not in the same way that we have in the European Union Saul is 2nd that all standard would better energy to complain the naked public and this strongly that is going to change and that I believe in it so I would do that if I don't believe that there is a chance to change stuff 2nd question
yeah and transparency trialogues I mean this is the point that hadrian has also raise the so many times already
and we have put out position papers on those and other we'll really harshly criticized that's actually once that the 3 institutions meet behind closed doors and decide on text that was not like nobody democratically voted for it than that is of course the uh the are highly problematic but I think well since the European Ombudsman is also pushing into this direction and lots of other civil society organizations not only entry of pushing for a higher transparency I think as for crime is that there is a great change a chance that we we can change this all the time but you have to be patient and you have to have a very long breath and you will probably get lots of great him or something this genetic and you're going that you GP um uh the iterative protection relation took 5 years is like a long time um is just 1 regulation those free forms just take a little while but I believe that is going to to tool if you really want to have the you will be able to change other questions thank
you the I was just wondering why is it so often the case that directives are misinterpreted as regulations within the yeah the bodies but within the British National Press and produces a soft and hard
read about you is it will so law is a very good technical reasons why it could be open to misinterpretation the funny thing is that um .
1 reason for talk was to make like to explain people what are all of those words and things uh that are the use and people actually don't know what the Commission is like and what it actually means of erected for the regulations like that's all and it might might be that it can be both soul people are confused because we don't know better and but the other thing that you were clearly almost all Member States to blame the EU for their own thoughts saying OK this like they they push regulation to the UN then say to you that is wrong so this is like and my point of view of you as erm uh the really interpretation just because of that order or cities like 1 reason why you uh in the begun like the you or of more few the you aware and at Aichi misinformed but I don't believe it is like a peak like conspiracy behind it's more like at all it's more you know people don't really know where they don't really care they don't even read PDP elected projected on the wall if it's right or not sort yeah other questions but OK then thank you again very much for your for your attention and and if you were if you have questions or so it can also so after its but I have time
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