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now let's go back to uh states to today we will talk about how we can save the human brain actually there are 47 million people living with dementia worldwide with the new case discovered every 3 seconds and this of course is that 1 of our biggest global health care challenges that we face today and so uh we will what we want to talk about this topic in the next hour and to see how we can share ideas and knowledge isn't enough it's if technology and big data to help advance research through a mobile game playing and I would like to introduce you to Emma bounded from the BBC and for the next stop yeah
the welcome to this panel Kony America I as a pleasant thing I am Anna thank you very much for having me right here in Berlin and today we'll ask you to join us the
hashtags behind you add to talk about game for good which is an initiative launched today hair out Republica is come up with ad by the witches telecom will hear more about how it was thought up in the 1st place in a moment with the intention of trying to use games for good specifically with health care and specifically today we're talking about a game that helps all hopes to help and certainly looks like it will help with research to you do with the diagnosis of dimension dementia and how people use a again and how they can help people with our research is going to be really interesting to hear more about the detail of an a moments surrounding cooperation with the scientific partners unhappy to say many British people have been involved with this University College London University of East Anglia dishes you'll be hearing from in a moment the cofounder of the games developers to come together with Deutsche Telekom on of course outside his research to create this game which is called c Hero's Quest I'm an approach is very very simple is essentially based on a series of mazes you'll have the chance of no already to have a play that's on when you play you are doing something very very good at which will be explained more about in just a moment but what is see here requests about let's find out we have failed which I'm hoping will go alive now or now to my rights if that I through III
dissipate if you have a big thing
at the time that they Wednesday that survived image set in
nature and tackle the disease itself we need to understand more about the
condition we need to understand how we can't use disease we know that
receptor holds the key and the steps we
have taken place we need they which does in this society to select data is
slowing down research we thought that maybe
we could look at this problem from different angles
and uh so what the 1 of
the 1st signs of mental is that people started
using the ability to find their way around what makes this project really is
the combination of concierge science
combined with a game's design company
to reach out on the size of the of the power that I could do a lot of the games that despite having various hoteI
explorer and your recovering memories for your father and I just credit during his
but and as you move around your position
gets really like that to the scientists and they consider
looking and that data is used to try
understand on the next scale how people in navigating around these different ways but actually
over data little movement they make the choices they make another game it's going to help our research
the more we can find out about how to find a way
around the best we can understand it like dimension to reinvention of
which this kind of research data is collected and stored and accessed not just reaching
the closest to the ability of
2 and on the and the hundreds of thousands of
people to share their time and participate in
answer questions we could never have dreamed of
constant for by playing this game that
help being possible this additional helping is that it'll be near the monastery and understanding how we can test the instrument
and an and in a lot right I mean I should also say I was
very interested to do this today because my friend's mom has our son is which way which is 55 and I think it's 1 of those
things that people think of only offer many think of as affecting older people but it can affect people from a much younger age at diagnosis and early diagnosis is very very cable could you please put your hands together see Johnny phone from the stage the guests for this panel who had cell more about how this came about and how we can all help gain for that
thank you
great thank you so let me just a very brief introduction straight away here I have max what's slide is a game designer of Co-funded glitches again student in east London have descent and there with eyes and that's the also have Wolfgang comp up comparable told
his the the idea for the initiative vise president of international marketing comes with which a telecom
have so our Cornish just says come in from New York who works games the changes the project director of the donor a a lot of time in the United Nations and interesting point about ensure would have been about from some of your experience and the money doesn't really need much sure you saw him already his home in a much bigger hold the next hour except that I should say toxicants do also known as a wild duck or wizard place they have the and thank you few look at most of the so this idea the initiative and I should remind you we have some governing likes and tell me how you 1st came up with this the well maybe that it would be
helpful for you guys to 1st understand just a little bit of all brand Deutsche Telekom because after all we do marketing and 2 we tried to positional brand in a particular way and that we regard ourselves to be and want to become the brand that is actually the sharing brand sold lattice for sharing and all all we do is trying to foster the thought and 2 with the help of all products and services we enable people to share to share whatever is relevant to them and if you just have that thought sink in for 1 2nd what is it actually what people share what people share is their memories and memories is not just stuff that is so relating back to 10 years ago or so it's also memory that's maybe in just 1 minute all just what happened outside the a couple
of seconds before and if you then consider that without these memories there would be no sharing for us there seems to be a natural task to step in because we wanna safeguard the memories of people in order for them to be still able to share these
memories and that's why I for us it was almost unnatural task is to embark on the journey and to to start and ideation phase on on this project which we call again for good again forget I mean this is what
when it makes sense why he feels about memories which led led you to think about out signers and how people could potentially use gains in that way but what what the you are you trying to send out as a message about this
game would you want people to know about it before they play it well for us this is so
the stage where we want to engage you guys still sharing has also the connotation of participation and that means that all of you hopefully after this session after this panel start sharing this news about the lord of the good game and term what I would like you to take home is Donald to gain and share as much as you can contribute 2 minutes or more of your lies to trying to deceit dimension and try to find the the 1st we are determined to really tackle this disease but semi
bring it has so you you had the task of designing again no small feat that would potentially leads to uh creating a better rate for diagnosis of early diagnosis of dementia how do you go about that how do you even start thinking about design he was and is a really interesting and process for us the kids usually woman brooding games in the objective is to build something which is you know a fairly additive experiences that we wanted going back to imply on the remit of that usually just you know the platform that you're wrong or how many applies to go all the characters of by involved but here we have on the science data and this navigational data which is essential and the white of disaffected us designing the game was huge and it was it was restriction to how we design again but it was also I a really big challenge but super interesting 1 and so just to so people understand when they're having a good time playing this game what it actually contributing to we can up in a moment allergies at the far wiser than us on on the science about Sun this but just 10 to the gate and what are they actually achieving so um I should play the game you boat and you are sailing around the use of uh this kind of mazes in these
thing there is the 1st thing is the optic and and the way that this information gets translated into uh data is every 500 ms is tied in your location and orientation what you see on the screen and and the this data is actually is really really helpful for the scientists who helped design the levels with us to try and understand how humans never get visited settlement when I'm gonna bring in the papers that has a course my friend and Dr. Michael but is a professor of dementia research at
universities and you who worked for this play the good might you do light and did you could you explain if don't mind about when you working together what what is this such a
gonna feed into in terms of research to help people who may be thinking of going towards coming dementia already have it so what we see very often in the patients in the clinic that people getting lost and
what we try to establish with this game is really to see what is normal in terms of navigation how to normal people navigate hold moment to get lost because we don't know the and so we realized that using gaming and crowdsourcing could be a fantastic way of creating a getting the huge database of healthy people navigating form which then we can use fall font dementia research to diagnose it the better and n is a volley issues
that we can't diagnose people earlier yes part of it is the diagnosing earlier but also
diagnosing more specifically because a lot of dementia research is based on diapers based on memories and how you retrieve memories that everybody knows memory gets worse with age in in general but what we see is usually done be the getting lost is a much more specific sign for dimension declare on some of these OK so this is very to how we
navigate because 1 of the earliest ways the outside of the sea starts with that these they get lost and they can't find no I had a cake
human pose to sorrow sorry for the look at this will see got experience very long experience in gaining for good and I made an obligation fication we discussed this for we can go and tell me tell me what you make their and and how it can fees into what you see in this area so and so i come from and from New York City and that I work at an organization called games for
change that was founded in 2004 and where the leading organization that promotes games for social impact and for help and so we've sort of seen this this emerging sector Games for Health and games for scientific research developed over the last decade and add and see quest falls into that category and and is really breaking new ground when it comes to scientists and researchers collaborating with the game design community to create something that can have a real lasting impact but also be a fun game and so I have played the request I recommend that this has more fun than I expected because of problem and if often playing a game where you go
in knowing I did I did have a little background on the games I knew that it was about you know research about dimension and that it would and
there is that the intersection of Big Data and gaming and all these things and but the game itself is is quite fun and it's a rate the runners kind of runner taking and and that you advance to level the levels definitely get more challenging and it recalled them as they recalled getting lost you absolutely when you reach certain at certain levels and and I think in terms of the way it fits into sort of the canon of games for health and it's flows have really good through awareness tool you know as you're playing and you're experiencing that feeling of maybe disorientation in order those 1st kind of stages of realizing that kind of lost away and in in the maze and max is referring to and it you start to realize like maybe this is sort of what it feels like to experience this for signs of dementia and so I think that awareness piece of the game is really strong and then and it's also an example of the game that sort of as scientific research program and we've seen some examples of like that and of games like that such as Foldit which is a sort of citizen science game and that was developed years ago by researchers and looking for that proteins having to do with HIV and AIDS and I think this is a great example of the game that that supports research program analyst on land and and
he if he didn't know it was a game for good but it was doing something that contributed to scientific research would your view of it using the different I mean the you thinking all this is how you might feel at the beginning of losing your way if you have something like our sun is going on in the bright means how much guys now you know that versus just displays and I think it's a good question and and I was having conversation last nite with
them max and Michael and and we were talking about that the importance of a game 1st being really fun and engaging and compelling players to keep going in the plane and so you know that that idea of being challenged in having really find mechanics but then the fact that it is it does have this kind of higher meaning and and you're contributing to this really important cause that most people have a personal connection to you and I think where were going to be able to come and see in multiple audiences come into this game in place so people who are already casual
gamers and would be engaged in in the game play and then
I was interested in bed dimension aspect of it on the research aspect of it and contributing to the class myself going to highlight we
you and and when you see something like this come out of the market and new which for free only at the beginning of this process would use science incentive days being
used properly by the scientific community for health do you think we always that's music it's brilliant ideas
also that's why I'm here yes discussion on you scientifically uh the problem is that we get a lot of data and that you you can have some diagnoses maybe you have to revise the game because of maybe at some corner the irregularity of some guys is better understandable than in other places and you have to rearrange maybe you have to we call the game and after some months and then next version and get a better and then you get a science tool will of where you have a good diet diagnoses maybe the dream could be that to have a kind of uh side of therapy in the end that that you you you teach people how to navigate and and improve the grade is the this is the 2nd stage so so you can work have a lot of work for many years so for me it's
not really interested of if the game is fine or not so maybe for you you are not normal not maybe you navigate in a different way because you
are authentic the hot called players or something you will see that maybe you see different it's it's also not your task due to spend 2 minutes for a for playing the game your task is to Twitter the game to tweak the game and find a lot a lot lot lot normal people participated in 2 minutes for and and I think that the
family fled the these these 2 are really proud people to have a fun game that that's not the problem with the duty to
do it to a to a sphere to spare to 2 minutes for 4 and ended giving people are more comfortable now with the
sharing of the data because a lot of people have a mean of 6 the normalized it's not something in that sense but people if you say to them just play this game we feel very good about the the start things that we're gonna be doing this and it's going to be used for this and we do not mean to the we've got a lot more comfortable with that OK it's not not too hot thing to
just to install the game plays a few minutes and then there's the psychology of of using different
devices to get into research to get people to do research usually the think I think of medical research I think of going into a lab and being presence and and providing my this information in whatever way they want said that this is it is very different relationship the list of things through data you know the uh
the the whole protocol in the in EU health or medicine really have a big big problem so so most of the research is done for some special illnesses and that if you if you make a doctoral thesis at the at the university of clinical is so environment you find in those where the illnesses maybe 5 patients or 10 and then they looked for at 5 or 10 people interviewed them into our already dead which is statistically catastrophy the on in because you cannot say anything about that and and then you make a doctoral thesis with the statistics of 2 or 10 people and this
is the reason that most studies have and use that it's still 1 study say yes sugar makes you dead and the a sugar is fine for you so and you have millions of studies may have made by maybe
10 or 20 presentations and it would be a great great thing to just have a cloud of all these data on worldwide that you can make statistics of maybe 2 thousand or 10 thousand having a rare illness and the disk with with the game you have in you this opens the door of many more possibilities In the I had
it in you cannot you cannot find against every disease in this surrounding but this is a good approach to to uh for for science
to go for the gold and the problem is always with the with the with the data so I I'm I I worked for IBM self quest so I was the guy who made the date dictate a business and I always said the people you we we save your life and please give the date of the of the it's it's not that you we open your embossed in books for males or something like that and it's a differ widely in that we have we have to be a little bit it accustomed to given our health data to do to the public or to the cloud because it's really for the good and and uh the the the discipline of eHealth needs a lot of data and social for instance most of the diabetes and patients will
be soon connected to the internet and they will automatically treated by the internet from the cloud so in your genomic with and and and this saves a lot of lives I think
it only in germany 24 thousand people die on diet and diary diabetes every year 24 thousand it's a 10 times more than in traffic causal and and and of course you have to give the data in this case in again and are not
going next he getting more work to do you must go back into a new version of the game think of different ways day I mean some of the criticism around uh and mean admittedly we were talking about is even possible recently maybe he gained for this kind of good but some of the things is you have to be really careful on showing you creating this that you don't drive the user in a certain way so they have to drive the guy and how difficult is that the designed with that kind of psychology and that this is gonna be was available about before touching on the list and you know we can't use things like coins all that in game to the replies around because that's having an impact on on the navigational fault process In actual fact we you can't have
shadows we can't have the seen moving in a particular direction we can't have so many things that you would usually just assume you can do all would make the game better on we couldn't it so with this in mind we really tried to come up with ways that were so what meta-game tied elements you know you've 3 stars you customization and that would allow the dentist to be fun and engaging and just to make sure that we we're collecting the data because if people stopped playing after the 1st few levels you utilized the game you know we need to get people playing for long period time and
the what like if he said what he called that is to the model like the core ingredients of people is thinking about like to code something which was a
gain for some sort of good obviously very specific but the good any things that you've learned from doing it now that you could chat I think that the the collaboration of the scientist was super-important having existing medical studies that were out there and that had being used by uh people to understand about the navigational ready and these were really helpful so you spears done some navigational research and Bill crude his was not mine and about navigating and we used as some of the thought behind that in the game and Michael was doing these experiments with dementia patients and supermarkets about them pointing back to the original location where into this model there is a version of this in the game of go and these things exist to really validate the data we creating from the game as well you know it's not just a tool that collects navigation data about plays it has real world science and that validates the so that's what's going so that both guy when when it starts coming in the data how is again where consent of
working with researchers scientists and an and what's going to be involvement 2 inches long what what does that mean it
maybe the 1st correct and the potential misinterpretation on of acidic you mention that this is the minimize data in fact it is not the data is anonymous so we don't know anything about the game as as such what what we know is basically you some figures about wearing those Macy's and they never gave in which fashion um also where where we come into play as far as data security is concerned there is obviously is that all of them the background of the 2 so as bottles transmission is on the secure data networks of torture to come
and that we do we really come
paid almost attention to that fact because so we have given ourselves obligation that in fact uh there's also something we call the digital responsibility and that is 1 side of the digital responsibility for us also means amongst other aspects that of the data that is being gathered to within this game is actually safeguarded and that there is no way fraud and with in in in in in whatsoever regard possible with this and I think that is essential because we want really people to contribute and term as I said please don't vote again please share it and terms for us we have a chance for the 1st time to really create the was 1st and global benchmark for when actually dimension is starting to the last 2 try
to tackle this disease at an earlier stage or uh to try to find
medications and figure out whether which 1 works such things so for us it's a very low thing composting project and and not just link to to to any any data question and the you will
get how do you see this going forward you watched it today it's been a year in the creation of what he sees the next step the well the
safeguarding sharing as such is nothing that happens overnight and it will stay if not for ever but for a long time but the the goal is is a to gather enough uh data so that scientists can actually come up with a meaningful analysis and terms but I think in this movie you saw a very tiny snippets to where there was a heat map showing no way you can
literally see where navigational is
supposed to be known all where you are deviating from the normal navigational skills and to ones that is sufficient I think the focus from gathering the data is going shift to analyzing the data and that this is something where we hope that on the far end that we would be able to even deliver some diagnosis to a so when you guys go to the doctor all we know and maybe have this thought or this suspect that I don't know because of me not finding my way around him but in missing of streets uh that I might already be suffering from dementia and so it would
be lovely if in 5 or 10 years from now there would be a simple diagnosis to where I could do a test like intuitive test formalize of way
is the indicating you that I should be in in in a more deeper investigation about this matter sodomy bring
back in when you and when you look at kind of the trends across healthcare specifically with what people are doing the games you mentioned an example there and was a fold
hopeful folded folded offense to file and the you when you look at this stuff do you think it's doing as much as he could yeah I mean the you have an idea of
where where the boundaries are the moment where they could be because is of it was so they're still at the
beginning yeah that's a great question it's an exciting place to
be definitely and I think you know continuing to break new ground is really important like this project is doing and with bringing to the cross-sector partners together on a project like this where you need they experienced researchers you need that the problem that demands solving he needed good game designers and and then of course you need you know lots of places and there's some great examples out there are games that are on sort of operating at that intersection of ad cheating big data as a public good and I'm in conducting research understanding different you human behavior and how many of you where wearable technologies that help kind of measure yeah daily steps Figure fitness the even track track what you're eating so few people and so there's a game
developed called zombies run that some of you wearing those devices might have played and and this game was found was developed to help
motivate people to exercise more and a connected with their wearables and to you Iet it had taken some of that data and and encourage you to compete with other people wearing this status trackers and it ended up collecting data from millions of people over 2 million players and play this game and so on the behavioral psychologists and scientists were able to you I'm understand patterns of exercising obesity and and and so that an example of a game for health that and that also engaged lots lots of people and so on there's a game called the mission that was developed Iet's you have heard do cancer research and for cancer patients actually play and that motivated them to and comply with their treatments
and so it's a it's a first-person shooter game where you travel through Celtic method you travel juristic body
you actually you shoot cancer cells and so in the process of playing this game patients would learn about it is that and it would sort of motivate them instead to fight an entity in the trees and so we've seen a lot of examples of different types of games and in this game of space and I think that's something that we're very excited about is emerging technologies and like biofeedback tools and virtual reality we're hearing a lot about and here without and the potential of these tools to help researchers and game designers work together and develop new approaches and he's saying it mainly from the private
sector all like a government's very involved nodes you had to experience the United Nations and operates a bit about architects starts up we did not and but the thing that you think is mainly private sector here putting the money tools is the moment that that's another good
question argument is a little 1st year are all this and that and that something against which is really advocating for is more funding investment into this space especially this intersection of research in design and there's some private sector for it I think that something about this particular project that is so unique is the partnership between Addis telecom and and and the researchers and the game design and glitches but and we see a lot of work independent game design community and research is coming together with scientists and designers to out to create new tools used in technologies and there's more and more support coming from the pharmaceutical industry and to support new research approaches using games and and these novel engagement methods and but I think for the most part it's still sort of the bottom up in the bottom sector or industry were really pushing for it to be you know to get more major players involved to get more resources and being allocated to word this type of research and other particular countries are are leading in this
space we noticed a trend in various parts yet I'm to be an enacted into to the Horn of the
United States but if the 2 of you
are in Europe and the lining up at the there's there's some very exciting research coming out
of scandinavia and Finland has a lot of that game companies and and then of course you know the rest the rest of Europe there's an exciting and setting projects but I think have the gaming industry in the US is enormous it's it over an 80 billion dollar industry it's bigger than the music and film industries combined and in the states and then I think that influence sort of driving a lot of
the on the game projects and funding and and and where we're trying
to find advocate for the gaming industry to have to put more kind of research into the steps of research and funding and support the types of project so ideas I think that it sort of being driven a little bit by the major players and and then of course receding and in Asia the rise of the sports and and these other applications of games should say I'm will be giving you choosing
city of questions so get thinking of them now and will have my friends coming round and ancillary bringing back in when you're zooming out away from this game specifically for a moment with your
experience your many hats on whether it's writing a working for IBM would what every day being a wild dark as that is the name advocacy together by as well the d think and what he think about big data in health care working together in the sense of the scene it have we made low enough progress without yet was your view on where up to the he of
course many people have problems with giving that data and then is a lot of mistrust maybe in lots of industries so so I'm becoming more ill every year because the the the cap of the values may be of some some numbers in myself and captain down down down and there may be a many and my age than their 70 per cent of have diabetes or something of course history causal closely problems and so and we we feel for what kind of pharmaceutical industries in all kinds of industry selling something and I'm more interested in is the research and this is the game and then this is purely
research and we we we have to know all of the data and to to do we have to we
have to know what or whom to help and who to be afraid of yeah of course is always a
problem with the data and you can do a lot of events I said that although the the clinics they have some
summary patients of where diseases and if they would share of the patient data then that would be a wealth of research and by combining the these these knowledge by games is 1 possibility to get and and this is in this case I I I would say everyone dominates instead of blood 2 minutes gaming and that's OK
so so a donor some live on a real problem with that this is the some would have a problem
with that blood feels like something you're giving this real people haven't necessarily made the jump to you if I play again I'm helping scientific research and watching can be done to communicate that that's
maybe where you you have to maybe I initiated campaign which is higher level so this is this is a valid lighthouse project that in in some cases you can see that research you can help and maybe you have in the end idea for ideas were therapy not only diagnoses the guy who can teach
people to to behave very so so it's not the it's it's not a real value that I know maybe I
I I get the dimension dimension 10 years and held by a explaining the game you tell me in 10 years I will have to mention and I'm I do not love the diagnosis at this time so it'll it doesn't help me so you know you should have alternative therapies the end and now I think it is this is this is a lighthouse for didn't make it much more a bigger the current framework that would that would implies so just to bring the
bucket that we we need government site at which community at this level yeah yeah I mean user is below the problem
is in all the the problem is in participation so if you have such a lighthouse project you have the problem to to get 100 thousand people giving the data set so this is the request so you we are here maybe 200 or 300 is not enough if you to read it and then maybe we get to the 2 or 3 thousand we are still left with 97 thousands and that we should have the goal say from this 100 thousand we do we we donated 20 thousand in Germany and and the residents in the US or somewhere else where you are
traveling around and always we have this problem of of participation participation
participation so and uh there should be your kind of government help to to promote these things and say please please do get quite meanwhile we have 3 billion
people playing casual games are unaware of that I think that that that that a key to this project is if the game is engaging in finding compelling if people will play it and and and they don't know they
don't necessarily need to the public doesn't necessarily need to see a really impactful in a research report come out of it yet and I think I think to have you know a hundred thousand people the goal of this at this project initially to start playing at least at the results and then assigns will will become clear the the ideal would be that the
game is still find the mass that is get milk if you want to do this because it's so much fun with that and that we will spread value of Christ now of course uh uh the real daughter
to all the games the full companies behind that and many millions of dollars or billions even and then there's a whole industry behind a just only this 1 game with all the sports surrounding the 2 ornaments and uh the public viewing events and so on so and you cannot use we could not really expect that if you start the game for research and then and then it's so much fun that immediately below max might have
something to say about that mn Marilyn that will cousin all those a in some sense we we we we sure we we we have
to start again that I felt that it it easy enough that many people while injuring goes into that and then of course you have to to to of say please donate yet that can I just unity as a good citizen and let me bring involve
grants are got just just a little bit of perspective because I really love what segment of so that the game is going to be available in 17 languages of amongst those there will be even wondering and then term it's going to be heavily pushed viable and by a Google on their own behalf so we didn't do anything about it they just love it and physically
everybody that we speak to them to yeah everybody who we show this game loves it so well but that's not saying please don't do anything in fact you should do all you can to help us push this initiative but but but we're very positive about the prospects and to and some of you wrote it might have been at the press conference earlier on so the 1st initial time would be 100 thousand people who contribute 2 minutes of
survivor to this initiative but I hope it's gonna be easy the bosses would justify a pronounced questions celebrity that it is quite difficult is it to get people to see if he say somebody down the public what not to do the tech world obfuscating again might be helping with the diagnosis of Alzheimer's
earlier me at is sort of the gap is that between what you do and and regular people understand the impact that those games can have was living thereby that besides government campaigns and making it fun I think and that is really important to remember that something out some of some dementia in these these kind of rule kind of heavy the conditions of people experience that actually it so many people have someone they know that has this problem and I think it would do you want to engage in that I think that the the cache of identity of who gets sensitive about a family member who suffer from this problem and and I want know the because in this scenarios what can you do except to watch it someone deteriorate I will try my a lot more comfortable so I think people do not want to do something that I don't know how to do and I think James a really good tool for enabling people to do something about it and even adding more this now yeah I really
wanted him was like a new games gates yes the feel absolutely yeah sure
of the more involved in this type of work is rewarding and also and as I was saying this is such an interesting place to be on the forefront of something very new and it's nice to be in the lecturers position of feeling what you you are contributing to the rules of without being written about how to do these kinds of things and this seems like a successful project we've gone through what with the number of scientists
and specialists from all around the world and I think unanimously everyone was very positive about the project and we wasn't always easy but
it it was a very enjoyable experience yes professors to be saving people Mendes collecting coins a star I K of there's nothing on collecting coins to have microphone it's all a microphone that can go around the audience yes we did we did a K
and we have a question because I would also be useful if the questions great stuff and the stuff you might find here if you could just say what you do away from the mean of late for your question on your on the on the sort of our home 1st of all free panel trade initiative by which we all the success of I'm participating in a cancer studies and so there I on have the direct incentive the time the company of years of and get feedback also on my wrist level in getting better and I'm just asking myself what is the incentive playing this game of and having fun but is there a possibility also to use the shallow up to your clog up to generating data comes in both directions so I get some kind of a big some kind of a the guidance for myself since interesting is there is a possibility that so in the game currently has
a uh a time of how much you contributed what's them research there is an ongoing counter in the game so you can actually see your impact and at this stage in the project being that the launch day of the data that we need to be processed actually enable us to have some feedback into the act isn't available yet but I expect to see that there will be of a loop back to the act itself and and that could dictate the next experiments that happened I mean right now we need information in the data I don't think that once this game comes out there's no more
information going into the solution and
maybe just that that there would be no
way for us to be able to link back to you because we don't have your data also I don't know whether this Texas your question
but as we are not able to trace back to you will never be able to give you specifically on an individual level any feedback about how you did for example and so were the the benefit for you as an individual is number 1 of you that have fun number 1 number 2 you you you going to be in hopefully the good mood contributing to a good cause number number 3 I think that on the long run we we as a as a community will be able to deliver uh states to help us fight dimension we don't know how the states are going to look like him to talk to the scientists we had we had just on this endeavor altogether we just don't know it we're trying to get there and hopefully as a set of area that will be you and early diagnosis tool for example you able to take a fairly obvious that the net uh uh the 1st 100 thousand users are
needed to to to to make the tools also so you have to trust to have a study what a normal or
being is planes and then you would you from the data you can you can study what is not normal I would have some indication that maybe you have to rearrange the the the game sometimes because you see at that point at that point at that point in in the game that uh you can as a scientist sees the most irregular movements and then you to try to have more of these curves in it where you have more information and after that you have even more and more information from the gaming and maybe in in version 5 you have a real diagnoses tool and then maybe you can think about that people get their feedback after that but in the 1st run I would suspect this is just the dimension a kind Thank you for that mean
paint fewer questions is 1 this year they say you always come from the back in time fucker color and this student and so on maybe you haven't thought about it but maybe you know to open cognition approach which has the luminosity and its use nothing think they're doing some things seriously wrong even though they're working together with Fox universities in there for over 5 million downloads on because everything this is more as the markets and now because you just start and you have the opportunity to make this difference so for instance you could make this open-source everything and as well as like using all the data and the open science community because from what is C currently is going on that you have 2 steps which are working together with universities but also to science that if the set science mechanisms are not always going to be like for instance you have bit journals you have a publication pressure you firm like some scientists who doing studies and studies and studies and like they're going to sit there is actually no research at all and so on well this could be like the 1st opportunity to that the community involved or get involved so or arm for instance there's so much that's out there and all these x in their economic system it's a big shame on and we could do so much more sentences there say you you'd like to know if the could be changed in a way that you have just described the allow people to collaborate
with the open side I I get the gist it of graduate so I'm not sure whether what I got your
question right in the limit tried to give you a couple of slices the number 1 let me
reassure you there's no money involved from outside that was 1 of the 1st 2 months made so that Duchateau it must not trying to earn money on that 1 um as I said we would really love to build all brand with this and to safeguard sharing such because that is what we want to and that is what we are so if we at a later stage gonna revisit what we do the most likely yes are we going open it up I have no idea so today we start out we set out to again try to map the global navigational skill of mankind on a normal basis is that somehow the summary of the model that you you would you to as well this is what we try to start out with and term I cannot tell you know whether I don't know in 1 0 2 or 3 years from now on we going open up the it's just not yet clear cut so at the
beginning and at the we just have the microphone and just to just whatever that sold the data will be freely available to all the raw data we would make freely available to anybody who wants to use it you won't be from the university point of view and from the scientist on the you it's freely available but to openly developed it's a problem to cognitive kind of things they got a lot a lot of ups and a lot of their social looking at translating just psychology experiments from the university to the general public we moved away from this because we realize that the reporting for people to do things that we want to gain dignify the whole thing and this is what we're really trying to do with this to make it exciting and scientifically valid so not that the Justice College experiment on online that you play the game game and at the same time and we can ample time for a couple more any more questions so yes please you I'm sorry I can barely and speak time and think 1 question is how much is too much the
budget as well so we don't
usually talk about numbers but to give you an indication that it's it's it's uh the budget that is reaching into the millions in terms is
below 10 million that that much is clear but it's also a decent chunk of money no hope this is giving the indication that we Ustasha Telecom a really serious about the matter here we wanna make this a success and that is why we are contributing substantial amount of budget to it a decent chunk layer below
10 million the millions of yes there's a hand groups measure is the people over there please say you are thinking and because the budget and I have a question what have you thought about going to and the online publisher of the online game I think navigating through a maze is just what what little online players doing all the so why especially and you think that data like the family so yeah they had the she B is and Michael have these other
games in the past and try to adapt them for scientific use and if you took it was a scientist and you're working on the use of the scientists are working on senior request and I
and in there are limitations and if you took him from the the game dangers perspective itself the reason that we had to create as something from scratch is
because we needed to be in control of every element of of what was on screen and the and the science data that and how that's collected is completely custom and especially because we operate on a mobile phone service of 1 over so connection like that connection and chapter very very little data so from that perspective that's the reason why the custom game existed if you to the web the audience in terms of all there's a huge audience playing Call of Duty this whole taken down the game on their finds nourishing uh so I I think I should answer the question you can
create maybe the question was can I took take a regular game Angry Birds which many
people before dimension OK and again can you use here it's just these data and by accident you find some something again relevant and then you had yeah don't have the problem of participation because the the the the game is already established is is it is this is a valid thought
I think it's a very evaluates a lot of idea souls will
but but of course of course if you if you issue scientifically designed the rules of the game the science is easier than getting getting the data from established games that the scientists may be bad but the petition that participation is easy so you this honor for entice you decide
let me bring surrogate what about reverse engineering sciences popular games to do good we're seeing a little bit and then in the learning space and so on
educators realizing that students are learning through games and the sort of popular games and 1 example is an play Assassin's Creed or no of assassins
feeding the sat in don't be shy of fulfillment that that we haven't had this and so thousands freedom is based
on some different words the world war 2 history in revolutionary were history and educators were seeing that the students were easing their history test and started to ask them you know what they're doing in their spare time as they were doing their homework and that they were playing a lot of this video game and so on so this company Ubisoft offense and that Canadian company has been doing a lot of research on how to integrate assessment and evaluation tools into the game to understand that to build build that and and so on so in the education space that's really happening in the world will probably start is the little bit more of that in terms of scientific research that think it always does come down to how and how powerful the assessment tools can be and and data privacy the of our wide so
activated that for the moment thoughts please downplayed the guy we know we need to get the numbers up a hashtags them for the game for good I go download it and find out more see here request column thank you very much been a wonderful audience thank you for having also thank you cannot sh
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