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Transcript: English(auto-generated)
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How it works will completely rely on you. We have asked before for some candidates for our quiz show. And I will give you what we'll do is I will give you a short entry.
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Then we will call the candidates we're lucky to have that we found four people. You see I've got some guests and supporters here I will introduce to you. And then we will start with the show. So you see that? No one has a right to obey. This is a sentence, this is a quote by
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a quite famous German Jewish publicist called Hannah Arendt. And this is quite an important thing. This is like the mantra for being a whistleblower. So it's quite the opposite as we experience there because everybody is expected to obey.
01:01
But to obey is not the normal thing. So why are we here? My mission is to bring let's say more persistence in the knowledge about whistleblowers. I'm not the super knowing everything guy about whistleblowing.
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But this is a thing which drives me a lot and I try to know a lot about that. And I try to spread that knowledge and I try to persist that knowledge because we have seen that we are all victims of mass media information which causes that things get in our ear, get out there and only a few things stay.
01:43
I don't mean you, sorry. Just by chance looking in your direction. Okay, so what do we like about whistleblowers? I ask myself just to start with it. Why do we like whistleblowers? Usually if I ask the audience if I don't do that in the United States I say hey anyone here
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who doesn't like whistleblowing, doesn't like whistleblowers, usually nobody puts his hands up. I can do it here. Anybody here who doesn't like whistleblowers? Oops, no one. Okay, the thing why we love them is because we accept that these are people who really do things without caring
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for what matters to themselves. And that's maybe this might be a definition for heroes is for sure the correct I guess definition for idealism. And we think people who have idealism have a high credibility in the community. This is the typical icon for idealism.
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You don't? Okay, this is the typical icon. We know all that. This is the most published photograph in the world. And this is an icon for idealism and we find that in many places and it is quite important to have these kinds of icon
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because people can stick to this or our thoughts can stick to this. And as we see getting into the whistleblower thing, this is a photo from a famous whistleblower called Perry Falwell. And you see this is a photo from 1972 and who's hanging there on the back? It's good old Che. This is our icon I guess now.
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We see that and this is developed into an icon in a way because we see that special picture and we see that in kind of graphical reproductions which reminds a lot of what is done to the famous photo of Che Guevara. I would love to have that thing here running around in my hometown. Okay, so why do we care?
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What does whistleblowers do for us? It's not only that they leak special cases which happen let's say in some country far away from us or near or far from us, but I believe and I think we all can agree that attacking freedom of information is just a starter to leading to other severe restriction of basic rights.
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These are two photos we've taken in Istanbul, Turkey where we see what can happen if somebody doesn't respect information freedom. In that case, it wasn't the day where they shut up Twitter I guess. So whistleblowers, what they in fact do, they set us free.
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So let's come to the show and honor these guys. So I want to introduce the people who helped me. We've got, because we've got some really difficult questions, I've got an expert team by my side and some of you might know them. So I would ask Oliver Zendel, Michel Kleinens
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and give them a warm applause because especially the eight people who will need their help. Okay, this is Christiane because every good quiz show needs a good looking assistant. Sorry for that. And she will. That was my job.
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Okay, that's the reason why we have Rob. But I thought about Rob making that assistant role but I thought the better job for him would be the judge above all because he has the freedom to tell what's true and what's not true. And it doesn't matter what Wikipedia say,
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I want to say it clear. It matter what that man say. Okay, so yeah, if you like to explain a bit the rules on what happened. So we plan to have two teams of four people each. We have eight applications and we hope that they are all here.
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We will, or Christiane will call for them and then we will put them in two teams. Then we will have one of the expert jokers assigned to each of the teams by coin flip. The rules are we have plans to have 11 questions.
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Five questions for the teams. Then the best team is the winner of that role. The other team can go back to their place and watch the show. And then we will split the winning team into two smaller teams. I have three questions for them as well.
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And then again, the better team will be split in two. And then we will have three more questions for the final winner. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and the questions are multiple choice questions. They have four answers. One answer is right, three are wrong.
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There's always only one right answer. And we will have these boxes, which we have cards. The cards have letters on them. A, B, C, D, E. So each team can discuss as silently as possible.
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And hopefully nobody blows the whistle about this discussion with the other team. Keep your phones out, please. Yeah, no smartphones during the quiz show for the teams, of course. Then, yeah, you put the correct answer, hopefully, in the box. Christiano collects the box when the time is up. You have one minute, I think, for finding the answer.
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And then, yeah. And then Christiano will collect, and he will decide. Yes, I think. So yes, and what I forgot is there's something to win. So because, yes, I found some, oh, there's the prize. I will put it away. I found some books in the bookstore. More, I prefer, or not found in, I ordered them.
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I tried to get some other books for you, too. More, let's say, books you won't get in the bookstore. Because what I experienced is, and this will be the meta of the issue of my next talk I will make maybe next year here, is what is the world according to Amazon and what's left out?
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And what's the rest of the world? It's a similar game. Like, what's in Google? Is this really the internet? Or isn't there something out there? And I experience many books, and many interesting facts are not, you cannot order them on Amazon. So what, we found some? So this is one we give, we have from Peter Shaw, We are This Machine Killed Secrets.
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And we have, for sure, No Place to Hide. So, and I think it's cool to have them on paper because so you can read it on the toilet, in the bath, or wherever you like. OK, so. So I think now, because Anna can call the participants.
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OK, so these four candidates are meant to take part in the red team. And the first person is Martin Gerhard. OK, for everyone who is not here, we need a substitute. Fast, please.
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So, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, cool. Cool. Second, lastly, Mendo. Yeah, she's here, Nora. OK, thank you.
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Michelle. Thank you. And number four, Thomas Haase. Thomas Haase, ah, here.
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OK, cool. So that's our red team. OK, now, Martin, any Martin, ah, OK, oops.
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Rolf, Rolf, any other Rolf? Any? OK, anybody who would be willing to step in for somebody who didn't show up?
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OK, you, cool. Shit, he might know better than we. It doesn't matter according to the rules. But it doesn't matter. For that reason, we have rules.
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OK, so thank you.
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OK, everything clear for you? OK, so if you discuss the solution, I want to ask again, please don't help these teams. And yeah, please don't talk too loud about the solution and try to put it very secretly the right thing and turn the others down so that the others cannot find out what the solution was.
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OK, so now we will start. I'm sorry, I forgot our, yeah. We have to sign the dog, because the questions are probably too hard. So this here is the number, and what is the head?
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Close to reality. It's Ollie. You get Ollie, and Ornstein gets Ted. So you both won. And the rules are, I think that we can, you can use the joker head twice.
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So there are five questions, and in two cases, if you don't know the answer, you can ask the joker, who will not tell you the answer but give you some hints. OK, so. And you have to announce that you do that, so that the other team knows that you don't know. OK, so that they can laugh afterwards more. OK.
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OK. Every good movie stops here. OK. OK. OK, so this is the first question. It's about microphone.
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So we all know, last. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So good. OK. 2013, it became public that our German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, was wiretapped by the US. But this was by far the first time this has happened. This has happened before. And our question to you is, when was the first time
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that this happened before? OK. And, oh, oh, shit. Oh, that's too dark. The beamer is too dark. OK, so I will tell you. And I hope you will remember. This will happen at each and every question right now.
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OK, so it's A, it's in the 1940s. B, 1960s. C, 1980s. And D, I cannot see it for myself. 2000. Maybe we can dim the light. Is it?
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OK. OK. OK, we have to do that. OK, so you start.
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40s, 60s, 80s, or 2000.
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So, OK. Oh, we got one.
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OK, so our teams have found some answers. Might be right, might be wrong. OK, might be right or wrong. So maybe we want first the answers, then the solution. More tension. So we have two different answers. Oh, this works.
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OK, so. Do you know? I do. Yes. 60s is the correct answer.
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Yeah, quite. And checked and double checked by this guy, this research. So it might be really true. This is the book. And one of the books I tried to get to give it away today was these books, but it's almost impossible to get this book today, like many other books of that kind.
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Yes, it's Philip A.G. This was the man. And he brought, he was a CIA guy, and he brought out that the NATO allies were wiretapped in the 1960s, not only about military issues, but about economical and other stuff, too.
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It was 1969. And OK, so the red team is what? Orange team. Orange team. Congratulations. OK. I cannot decide who gets the points. This man.
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OK, next question is related to that guy, Philip A.G. So, and this is a question where you can just guess. I think nobody knows this. But I thought it would be funny to bring in questions you can guess. Can you see that? It's five different countries he lived after he had to leave the USA.
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They took his passport away, which is quite the same which happened at Snowden. So took passport away. B, six different countries he lived. B, six. C, four. Or D, three different countries. He lived. I mean, he lived there.
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Until today. No, he's dead. He's dead. And countries he lived. Not, he just had to transfer on the airport. He just lived there. So five, six, four, or three.
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I'm sorry, Joker. I thought I heard you, but I don't know how to explain it.
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OK. So, I'm sorry. He had a lot of passion for his flight.
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I'm sorry, English. He had a bit of bad luck choosing the destinations. Yes, sir. OK. Close.
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OK. This is from the other team. OK. OK.
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We have different answers again. That's good. We have C, four countries. Team Red says eight, five countries. So, which, and who's right? Team Red is right. Five is the right answer.
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So, OK. On this part from a map are not all countries he has, but this is a really funny part if you call that funny. So, what happened is he had to leave US, OK. He went to England where he was, I think about two years.
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It was just country number one. And then that guy, what was his name? Kissinger. We will talk about him later. Convinced the British to send him out. So, he had to leave and then the following happened.
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He went from England to Grenada. Anybody remembers what happened there? Very, very small country. The, I think, yeah, the Americans went there with the Marines because there was a socialistic government there and he had to leave immediately.
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So, what did he? He left too. Guess where? Nicaragua. Shit. Wrong choice. Wrong choice. OK, Nicaragua, you know what happened there because at that time we went there, the Sandinistas were there and then the American met that great invention of that organization called Contra. If anybody reminds us, it was a really great idea.
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So, in the end, everything's happened in Nicaragua and he had to leave. So, he went to Cuba. As we all know that America's best friend, the usual trick didn't work out. So, they tried, but they weren't successful. So, he could stay in Cuba.
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What he did there, then he later married a German woman, a German ballet dancer, which brought him a German passport and which enabled him to travel between Cuba and Germany and that's what he did the rest of his life and, in fact, he spent the most of his life in Germany and in Cuba where he founded a travel agency
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which was specialized on making it possible that Americans who are not allowed to go to Cuba find a way that they can get there and make their holidays. It had the nice name Cubita Linda, which is perfect, true, which everybody can say who has been in Cuba. Okay, next question.
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Okay, a more popular whistleblower, I guess. Anyone knows that guy? I guess some of you have heard the name.
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This is Daniel Erzberg, one of the most famous whistleblowers ever. And one of the most hated by the government at that time and they're all hated, so it's a really challenge to be the most hated. So, yeah, there's a film about him which is called The Most Wanted Man on Earth and it's funny because you hear the same term
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attributed to other whistleblowers of nowadays, being most wanted, being the most something. Okay, so which US president is quoted here on Erzberg? So what did he say? And what he said was, goes, he's Harvard, he's a Jew and he's an arrogant intellectual.
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So without the Harvard part, could be a German who could have said it, but in fact it was an American president. And was it A, Lyndon B. Johnson, B, George W. Bush, C, Richard Nixon, D, Ronald Reagan.
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The time runs. Lyndon B. Johnson, B, George W. Bush, B as Bush, C, Richard Nixon, D, Ronald Reagan.
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Okay, you don't need any help, I guess. I wanted, it might help that if I say that the one who made it was a paranoid,
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alcohol-consuming... Sorry, I can't say he was anti-Semitic, at least. Okay.
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Make... Okay. And... Okay. Okay. So... Okay. Team Orange says, Richard Nixon. Team Red says Richard Nixon.
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And the correct answer is Richard Nixon. It was Richard Nixon. Yeah, it was. We didn't bring it in short for the score, but the score is now two. Oh, geez. The camera can see this. Okay, yes. Yeah, that crazy, crazy thing is
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that this quote is documented, as I know, on tapes which were recorded in the Oval Office in White House, because Richard Nixon was extremely paranoid, so he taped everything which was spoken in that room, which wasn't always good for him. As you see, and the other crazy thing is,
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this was first said to, you know that guy? Some might know him. There's some German relation to that. He's a quite famous, what's the, what's Kriegsverbrecher in English? War criminal. And at the same time, he has the Peace Nobel Prize, which is really cool.
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This man is Henry Kissinger. Henry Kissinger is a Jew, too. So the funny thing was that Nixon was asked, because he was known as anti-Semitic by his friends, and said, how can you work together with Henry Kissinger? And he says, why? They said, he's a Jew. And he said, yes, yes, yes, but he's different.
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OK, so, OK. Oh, oh, yes, we should do that, because we, sorry. OK, so. I would like to say that we now have only two questions left
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for the full team, so you should use your joker if you want to make use of it at all, of him. If you believe in your joker. So for which league did Nixon hate Elsberg? So much. Was it the Watergate papers? White House papers?
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Nixon papers? OK, Pentagon papers. And now, OK, he was an anti-Semitic alcoholic, so he could hate him for anything.
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OK, three, two, OK, and?
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Team Orange says Watergate papers. Team Red says Pentagon papers.
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And correct is Pentagon papers. So we have a winner. This is a photo of you. Pardon? This is a photo. Ah, this is a photo. OK, OK. Yes, it was Pentagon papers, which, but which is true is that for sure Nixon
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had some relationship with the Watergate papers, as we all know. So which Watergate, in fact, lead it to the first and only resign of an American president in the history of United States. So it was only resigned because he stepped back fast enough
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so they couldn't shoot him away or send him away, which is what they do in their own country. And yeah, the funny thing is this happened. The Watergate thing, which has happened, helped Elsberg in the end a lot, which is the funny thing about this is the reason
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why Elsberg came out free, whereas Chelsea Manning is in jail with the Watergate papers. Because without that, he would have been in jail. But Nixon said that the same team, which he sent it to Watergate building, he sent to the psychiatrist of Daniel Erzberg
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to take out the files, which were on Daniel Erzberg. And this came out when Elsberg was in front of the court. And this was enough to send him immediately free. So this helped him a lot. It was a good idea. This is the guy who took an enormous part
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in the leakage of the Watergate papers. His name is Mark Selt, and he brought it out in 1972. Yes. And the special thing was he's a special whistleblower because he refused to tell anything active. He said, I just will react on questions.
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One question. What was the content of the Pentagon Papers? The Pentagon Papers were on the war in Vietnam. And it brought us next to some other things. One main thing, as I see it, was that the American public
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was constantly lied by, I think, four or five presidents on Vietnam because they always say, we need some 50,000 guys going there from our troops and everything will work. And these things were in that all American presidents lied to the public and knew that they couldn't win that war. That was the Pentagon Papers.
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This was that maybe some interesting movie on that nicely. You can see that on YouTube. It's really, really interesting about that 7,000 pages he brought out. It's back. But what we want to do now is we want to know the secret name by which Mark Feld communicated
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when he was whistleblowing because he wanted to stay anonymous, which he did for quite a long time because about 30 years he stayed anonymous. The reporters, Bernstein and Woodward, maybe somebody knows these names, who wrote that famous Watergate story and the Washington Post kept that secret.
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But the team needed a name to talk to him, so they gave him a name. And this name was taken from, at that time, really famous porn movie. And as we are at a more or less IT or hackers conference style,
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we need at least one slide with porn relation. This is the slide with porn relation. So what you have to do is now guess the name, which is Steel Bolts. Was that his hidden name? He would have liked for sure. Deep Throat.
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Dark Room. Or Hidden Treasures. Hey, these guys were on Wikipedia yesterday. Okay, this was 10 seconds.
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This was it. So now we know the special area of knowledge for our team. The answer to Deep Throat is correct. Yes. The team has two points.
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Let's see three points. Orange team. So the orange team is out, unfortunately. There is a very, very slim difference only, but there can only be one. Red team is the winner of this round, and has to be split.
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So thank you very much, orange team. How you split in the middle? Bam.
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Okay, cool. Okay.
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The new teams can ask their jokers for help two times again, and there are only three questions. So we won't accept any false answers. Okay.
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Okay. Some of you might have seen that and had some fun with that. And personally, I like these two things here most. SSL added and removed here, and cool is the smiley. This is really nice. And this is more like, ah, triumph, we really made it.
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Yeah, traffic and clear text here. Okay. So these are original slides from that NSA documents leaked by Edward Snowden. And which question is, which company is proven to have created paid backdoors?
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So at least one of the following is, if you might prove a second in one minute, extra point. Okay, so it's RSA security. B, VeriSign. C, Entrust. D, IBM Internet Security Systems.
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Proven. Yes, it's proven. Believe me. Believe me. Yeah, they don't deny it.
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They stop denying it. I think it's clear. Is that fattish? You made it? Cool. I'm doing Chris John's job even if I'm...
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Okay, just in time. So we've got two answers. Yes, it is.
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It's the random generator, yes. Yeah, at least they say, okay, you give me $10 million and I by chance manipulate the random number generator. It could be, yeah, it could be a coincidence.
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It was for several years, it was in the software and I guess from the Snowden documents, it's proven now that they took, that they had really a deal for that. Yeah, the funny thing is here, you're right, yeah. Yeah, so this is really cool because this is the economic side, which is cool because
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they charge them for something they already had done. So isn't it that what we all do? Anyway, okay, question number seven. So a bit about Germany. Okay, which German politician had a spy on the stuff which was uncovered by WikiLeaks?
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So it's because the German secret agencies have other things to do, I guess, like not finding Nazis or so on. Yeah, or covering, making cover stories.
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Yeah, all that stuff. Okay, so now, was it, let's say Thomas Demise, Minister of the Interior. Gutter, you still remember Gutter? Sadly, we do. Wolf, Christian Wolf, no?
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Anybody remember that? Former president of Germany, you don't remember? We do, you do, yes. And Gido Westerwelle. So which German politician?
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The importance of the affected politician has no role in that question, doesn't matter whether he had any meaning.
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Okay, you have to come to the end.
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Four, three, two, one, over.
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So the red team thinks it was Mr. Demise. Orange team thinks it was Mr. Westerwelle. And that is more correct.
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Yeah, in fact, it was Westerwelle's chief of staff or his office manager. I don't know the English expression. What did he do? He informed the US embassy about internals.
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And the later funny thing is they told later this were only internals on the party, not on governmental issues. They later said, yes, there was something reported, but it was only relaying to the FDP, which is totally, who takes care?
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Who cares for FDP? Okay, question number eight. Okay, he said, okay, he was really, wanted to take care about our whole health and what
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he happened to see in his job was totally, yeah, so dangerous.
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So which food scandal was leaked by Miroslav Strecker? That's the name of that man. Was it scruffy dinner? Was it scruffy fish? Was it scruffy sausages or scruffy eggs?
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Which food scandal was leaked? Yeah, gamel. Gamel is English. English, tuna, English, fish, English, fish, oh yeah, whoa.
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No pressure, but the others are still already ready. Take your time. They didn't know it.
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B and C. B and C were porn answers, but there was no porn question.
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Sorry. Okay.
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We have to be tight on time. Short on time, no jokes.
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Almost, you can take some prizes with you. Yes, yes. Yes, yeah, thank you because you made the second round. Read it. You have.
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This is cool. Yeah, this is a cool book by, yeah, we need a photo. Thank you. Okay.
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Yeah, that Miloslav Shrekov was just a lorry driver and what he brought up was 150 tons of scruffy meat which was delivered to Berlin and led to then, and some of us might know that, there was a kind, sometime some years ago it was the one euro dinner, one euro food you could
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buy everywhere in Berlin some years ago and this was exactly that meat because it was that cheap that they were able to sell for one euro a meal in the streets of Berlin and this was just using, yes, it was part of that meat was more than one and a half years old before it got
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into trade and was used and he brought it up and he had difficulties, an interesting story because he had much difficulties later, he had many problems to find a job because everybody in the train knew each other and said don't take that driver. So he was unemployed for a time, by today he's a bus driver in Brandenburg in eastern Germany.
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So, but it's really, really cool story and really funny thing who's ever interested in, you can find it on the web. He tried to call the police, police said we don't care, it was really interesting thing and he watched the guy in the meat factory putting away the signs, this is not for human
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consummation. So if you didn't get the job afterwards, it could be seen as an indicator that everybody does it. Yes, it is, yes and they really, they sent him away, they took him and after they knew that they sent him away. So, the crazy white hat Aussie, we can't do a whistleblower show without the crazy
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white hat Aussie, at least we should. So, yeah, he's might be a matter of discussion that guy but I think he's done a lot of good things and that, so, by launching WikiLeaks and one of the first major
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publications which reached worldwide attention, well, the published, WikiLeaks published on Iraq war and I guess most of us remember but do we remember when it was? So, you two, was it 12, 2008, 8, 2009, 10, 2010 or was it 3, 2011 and off we go.
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2008, 2009, 2010, 2011. Okay, one joke here.
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Do you remember collateral murder, maybe that helps?
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Game over.
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Okay, so. Team red says D, 2011 and team orange says C, 2010, which makes orange the number. Yeah, 2010 was the year where there were three big publications on WikiLeaks.
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First was the Afghanistan files. Second was in October the Iraq documents and the third was November, December there was
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the embassy stuff. Collateral murder was Iraqi stuff which was in October, the famous movie. Yeah, you know, okay, you know this girl, she was the one who made that. So, 2010 and we got a question.
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Related, so for that doing that three big, big, big leaks. She was put into jail. Question is for how long? 60 years, 34 years, 44 years, 34 years or 100 years which is you can take 100 years
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as equal to forever. So, okay.
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Oh, okay, so.
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The answer is too long, but more specifically is not B as the orange said 45 years, but
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correct answer is 35 years. Yeah, it is. Yeah, in fact this is what the, thank you.
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The prosecutor wanted to have 100 years and thank you. And yeah, this is what the, in fact, what you get and got. So, yeah, yeah, she will be, if he would get, thank you, he might get out 2020, but
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I guess no American president can tolerate that, so he will be stay in for quite a long time. Personal health. Now we got some explicit images. So, we got no children here, but you are free to look at them or not. This is not the most evil stuff you can find, but I just say that so that nobody
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comes up late and say, hey, what did you do? You know that? Okay, and for sure you know that quite creative because you can, and either then somebody put him down and have a really creative thing of putting him under high voltage at the
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same time. This is the place where that happened, that prison which was crazily, totally empty before the Americans and the British came there because Saddam has everybody put out and related to an amnesty. But the question is, who leaked that story, the Abu Ghraib story?
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So, we know the pictures, but who did it? Was it Edward Snowden? Was it anonymous just by WikiLeaks? And was it Chelsea Manning? Or was it Joe Darby?
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It's the last question. Yes, it's the last question, and it's one for one. So, if you're both, if you're very fast, we will get one other question. So, if you both have the right answer. So, Edward Snowden, anonymous, Chelsea Manning, Joe Darby.
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Thank you.
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Okay. I have a slight suspicion that this was everybody's conclusion, but that is correct.
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Joe Darby was the one. This one, it was, the fact is this story was brought out to the public several times until it had impact, which was really crazy, because if you see, they're quite expensive images.
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And this was one guy, and I'll bring them too, because he was one of the one, it doesn't look like, maybe spontaneous, you wouldn't think he's one of the good guys, but in fact he is, like he liked his gun, but he liked the truth too. So, and he made a famous quote, at least, I think he's quite famous quote, in front of the court when he was asked and he confessed and said,
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that's true, I have seen that all. And being asked what was his feeling when he saw that, he said the best description for that is, apocalypse now meets shining. And that's what he saw in Abu Ghraib. And I have the fear that he was absolutely right. So, we have two, so no winner, so we can go on with another question and hope that somebody.
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Yeah, so this is the, we're in time? Okay, so, last question, maybe. So, since how many days is Ed Snowden in Moscow now on his way to a third country?
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427, 538, 657, 380. How many days is Ed Snowden in Moscow right now? Next time you do the show, I do the guessing.
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Yeah, okay.
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Luckily, we got some other questions for that. So, we come back to Germany. So, this is a guy you might not know, and this question is about what's the legal situation of whistleblowers?
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And because we talk too much with the United States and not everything is bad there, there are some things quite good there, even if you wouldn't expect that. And concrete in relation to whistleblowers. Because this is a man he brought out, so his name is Rainer Mormann, and he's the reason why we don't have a thing like these fusion, is this the right word, fusion reactors, nuclear reactors?
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Is that right? He's one very important reason why these things are not in the field luckily now. Because he was 30 years he worked with that, and he was the guy he really knew that they don't work. And he brought that out. But many things would be much easier for that guy if we would have a law,
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which we have in the United States and in other kinds we have in the UK too. This law is called KETAM. So, my question to you is, what does this special law do to support whistleblowers? Is it A, providing them with money? B, it takes care for publicity,
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it takes care for job protection, or for their anonymity? What does KETAM provide? I think this is worth to be the last question,
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because it's a difficult one. So, red candidate says D, their anonymity is protected by this law,
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and the orange candidate says their job is protected. But, we say it's the money. It's all about the money. Get that with capitalism. Now, this is a law which guarantees you if you do whistleblowing,
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especially in the public area, if you find a public institution and you blow the whistle, that you can participate on the money which is saved because you blew the whistle. So, it's a business model in fact. And if you would calculate that for that guy right now, the woman I introduced to you, you would see he would be quite a multiple millionaire right now,
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because he saved hundreds of million euros by that. So, unfortunately we've got no more time now, so we won't find out who's really the best of you cool guys. So, I cannot ask you that question. Sorry.
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I'll skip it. Okay. I want to thank you. Yeah, thanks for your participation. Any interesting about whistleblowers? Just mail me and yeah. See you. Bye. And you both get your prizes for sure.
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Thank you.