A playground & green community space in Palestine + Himmelblick and the Stadtbodenstiftung
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Back live on Placemaking the Solarpunk and live with me now is Moment, Zweitert, Mara
00:21
Klein and Andrei Sakharov. And I'm happy to have this channel really looking on placemaking. We have examples from a garden, from a roof and from the ground, so to say. And what does that mean? We will find out in the next one hour.
00:42
I would love to start with just a tiny introduction of everyone and then Moment can start to present his project. We can, maybe we, like everybody of you can have a little introduction to their projects and then we can discuss together.
01:02
So, in this way, Moment, would you like to introduce your project first? Yeah, well, hi everyone and thank you for having me here today. It's a really important platform for me.
01:21
This is the first time I'm going to be speaking in public about this project. We have announced it online, but we haven't really got any sort of discussion going on in the media or like a part of our website that got online last week. So, my name is Moment and I'm from Guinea.
01:42
I live between London and Palestine for the last 10 years now. And I am a theatre maker, playwright and an artist. I grew up in the north of Palestine in a city called Jenin and my project will be
02:01
drawn around my childhood space where I grew up in the forest as the Palestinian Bedouin in one of the largest forests in the West Bank. So this is what my project is about and it's called the Swatat Gardens.
02:21
Swatat is my family name, but the place also called the Swatat because my family were the first people to live in this forest. And my grandfather, the one who plants all the trees around this forest, which is now becoming a run-down forest.
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And then I grew up as a child playing all the time in this forest and then later on in my life, I go back to this forest to find out that it's not accessible anymore. And then here where my project began to how to bring back this space to the community.
03:07
And yeah, so this is what my project would be about and this is what I'll be talking about. I'm just looking at what is the homepage of your project, where can we find it? Oh, yeah, so basically, we have two things going on and online that you can find the project.
03:26
If you go to www.swatatgardens.com, you will find the website. OK, and then if you go fund me because we are launching a fundraising online thing
03:47
to have seed funding to start, to be artists who will be working with us as an architect, as an urban planning, who will design the whole project for us.
04:04
If you go to GoFundMe, I mean, if you go to the website, you will definitely find the link to GoFundMe and to Blake Ground for Palestine and other project links there. And you will find all about the project. I will repeat it again, it's www.sweatgarden.com.
04:34
Jacob, your sound. All right, the links are coming up to the stream up there.
04:41
And Mara, you've been having quite some success with some weird project and some taking over a shopping center, or so to say. What do you mean by weird, Jacob?
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Weird. I mean, shopping centers are weird places, right? Yeah, so I introduced it just briefly, right? Later, we talk a bit more about it, right? Yeah, and yeah, so thanks for having me, Jacob.
05:21
Really happy to be here also with Momine, who I met a long time ago in Jenim in 2011. So a small world. Yeah, so my name is Mara Klein, and I'm an artist and part today as part of the collective Operation Himmelblick, which means Operation Skyview,
05:40
which André, the third speaker, is also part of, by the way. Yeah, so we're a collective of people from different disciplines, architects, urban planners, artists, whose aim is to reclaim urban space
06:00
that is underused, namely rooftops. And today, I will talk mostly about a project that we did this summer, because it illustrates what our intention is with this project of bringing together peoples of the neighborhood. But I'll talk about it later, a bit in detail, about the weird experience.
06:26
Yeah, thank you so much. André, what are you up to? Hey, hello. So what I'm mostly involved in and spending pretty much all of my days on is we are part of an initiative which is creating a community land trust in Berlin.
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So it's a foundation which buys ground, so it collects resources, monetary resources, and buys land in order to give it in leasehold contracts to groups, initiatives, cooperatives, under the condition that they open it up
07:06
to as many people as possible. That there are social criteria, like when they, for example, rent flats, or that the neighborhood has a say when talking about how using the space, for example, commercial spaces, like what is needed actually in the neighborhood.
07:24
And through this, decoupling it from the market and creating a different type of commons governance on how urban space, mostly we're starting here in Berlin, but we're open to areas around. We want to make the connection between areas around Berlin and Berlin, but we are limited to Berlin.
07:40
And yeah, so this is a project. It's called Stadtbodenstiftung, so community land trust Berlin. That's how you find us. Great. I think this gives us an interesting starting point to see, to go into this discussion, what is the practices or the different angles
08:01
you can take on the practice of placemaking. And in the telegram chat that you can join, the first recommendation for collaboration was directed to Momen to collaborate with some open source seed project.
08:22
That's a cool comment. I'd love to hear a bit more on the context and on the difficulties and maybe on the dream that you have, Momen, around your vision and how this dream can vitalize the community and the neighborhood.
08:47
Yeah, basically growing up in a place like Palestine, like the West Bank is not an easy place to grow up,
09:01
there is no time to complain at the same time. So there is only time here to make things work and to make things happen in the best possible way. Otherwise, you're going to end up in a lot of complicity
09:21
that will not be helpful to either yourself or your mental health or your sort of community engagement outreach facility or communication. So when I was a kid growing as a Bedouin,
09:43
my only space that was available for me to play, it was this forest and I was very lucky. Unlike other kids who have to be growing up in a refugee camp, which is built from concrete,
10:01
which there is not any little green area for them to have access to. So I was way, way lucky. And this is where the whole things for me, why I care about greenery and space and community engagement. And one of my earliest memory as a childhood,
10:21
it was going, waking up in the summer holiday from school and going to the forest and creating my own universe there by building toys, building cities, building like a shop, like from trash, from rubbish that people have left behind there and make it recycle and create all my sort of,
10:47
like inner childhood, playful space. And then one day, I remember that this forest also saved my life.
11:00
So one day I was during the second Intifada, which is pretty harsh military Intifada. It was a lockdown, which is funny that we all have experienced lockdown now in a way. But I have been experiencing lockdown since I was a kid, since really I opened my eye to this life,
11:23
to a military lockdown. And then one day I was, it was just maybe just begun to go to school by myself. And you know, this memory is very nice memory. You would never leave this memory behind. And then I was coming back from school by myself. And then I experienced having military Markava
11:46
right next to the forest. And the forest was my way to school. It sounds like spring awakening, you know. And this is where I discovered everything in my life. You know, I discovered my sexual sense of things.
12:04
I discovered my dreams. I discovered who I am. I discovered my sense of the smell. I discovered my sense of learning. Unnecessarily learning process, you know. I discovered everything. So and then one day I was walking there
12:22
and then I always also had animals. I always have dogs. I always grow up having horses and donkeys. And the house of those animals, it was always this forest. And then one day I have to basically, I was shot at by a sniper
12:42
because it was sort of a beginning of a lockdown of a curfew lockdown, military curfew lockdown. And then I have to run to the forest. And this is the only way I was basically saved my life. Many times, not only once, not only twice.
13:00
Many times that I was going back from school and then I will encounter military soldier and then I'll be shot at and then I will have to run to this forest. So all my sad, beautiful, amazing, crazy memory is in there. This year, I went to Palestine to do a documentary film
13:24
about something different. About a theater maker called Juliano Merkhamis who was my teacher and who was assassinated with a German company. I went down to Palestine early this year in February,
13:40
end of February to do a documentary with the Munich Film Fund. And then the lockdown happened. So the German crew went back to Germany and as a Palestinian holding a Palestinian passport to have a lack of freedom of movement, I got stuck in Janine again.
14:00
Not stuck, but I got sort of not able to move again, which it was sort of a bit annoying, but in the meantime, it was good because I thought it was an important time. Later on, I find out that it was an important time
14:20
for me to reconnect to this place again. And then I have a daughter. She came to visit me with her mom that halfway through the lockdown. And then my daughter only was turning two years when she was in Janine. And then she always wanted to go to a playground.
14:42
And then I wanted to take her to a playground in Janine which is the forest. And I found out all the equipment in the playground in that forest, it completely destroyed and really extremely dangerous for kids to be around because there are metal, sharp, plastic,
15:02
broken plastic and really sharp. So, I mean, I decide to basically to investigate the whole things and to have this project back to the community and to work in this project and to bring it back. In the meantime, around all of this,
15:22
in the middle, there was also a facility for all kinds of people that access to this place but also destroyed like a stairs or steps or a small walkway to disabled people
15:41
or the blind, because there is also a blind school next to the forest. So the blind student can go and enjoy the forest but absolutely it's all destroyed and left behind. So I thought that was a good responsibility for me
16:03
to take on and to speak about this project, at least to speak about it, at least to rise awareness about it in the local community. So I start to hold groups of meeting in the forest with my local community who is basically partly my family, partly my neighbors
16:22
who I grew up with. And then they all agreed that this place need to be read on and this place need to be accessible to everybody again. And then I sat down with the local government and we had a great greed that they're going to give us the space
16:41
which is now we have the space. We about to form a contract with them. I don't know how long. It might be for 10 years, 15 years. And then also in the meantime, there is an open air abandoned theater that once was full of life for kids there. There was a lot of clowning show,
17:01
a lot of circus show, there's a lot of musical show, there was a lot of fire camp around there and all of this. So now we are basically, in this case, I start to get in touch with a friend and a friend of a friend and then I find out there's a place called Blake ground for Palestine
17:21
that they have a community group in New York in America and they have a community groups in London. So we got in touch with the team in London because I based in London now. And team in London, they love the idea and then they pick up on this project to be the responsibility of funding the equipment
17:41
for the Blake ground only. But what we're looking for is we're looking for more than the Blake ground. We're looking for a place to be accessible to all people from all different walks. We're looking to renovate the theater space
18:01
and to make it accessible again and to make it into like a theater or an art hub, a community space. We're looking to establish a program for alternative outdoor self-learning education about the history of the space
18:20
and about what is in the space and what stories had happened in this space. So now we have got the fund for the equipment which is a good news for the Blake ground. And then this is why we launch another seed funding
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that we can be artists and architect and thinker and from the community and from the international artists community to join this group because we want people to be paid to do this job.
19:02
So yeah, this is basically part one of the project. Yeah, now we are interested in part two, of course. But I also want to open up for questions both to like you can post them in the telegram chat and Mara and André that are here as well.
19:24
If you have questions to the project that are burning please feel free to share. Yeah, I have a question. I wonder like because Janine also has like seen like a few projects that have the Freedom Theater
19:42
but also Cinema Janine which came from like completely an outsider's perspective coming in and creating something without like real knowledge of the place. I just wondered how people feel about you like returning and kind of taking this initiative if you feel like there's quite a positive ground to build this
20:02
or how's your experience been with this? I think your question is a very good question because our main obstacle here is the sustainability. And every step we take in here we always having the sustainability question
20:21
above our mind, you know, around our mind like in a surround sound, you know. And yeah, you're right. Basically the Freedom Theater if we want to have a look at this two perfect example the Freedom Theater and Cinema Janine. Okay, and two of them have they give us the different answer
20:42
which is a great, sad and great for our project. Sad in a way that the the tragedy what happened in the Freedom Theater is obviously the people of who were in the first line benefit
21:00
from the Freedom Theater have lost the main tour the legend man who created the whole idea and vision around it, okay. And who basically taught me to become who I am now. So we lost him and that's for me now a lesson to learn how safety and security
21:22
in working in this environment is the most important thing. But in the other hand, the Freedom Theater in terms of sustainability is still working. It's working in a way that is adapt now to where the Freedom Theater is today. It doesn't have to be necessarily working
21:41
in the same speed or the same idea or the same formulation that it used to be working when Giuliano was alive because Giuliano was a one-man show. He knew what he want, okay. I wouldn't agree that the Freedom Theater will be still working exactly how the same energy when Giuliano was alive
22:02
because Giuliano is not there anymore. So we need to have a new identity which is now they're working on it, I believe which is great. The other sad and also good for a new project to come with somebody who have a knowledge and an outside eyes and an inside eyes
22:22
to the whole things which is now Cinema Janine, okay. Which is, I don't know, maybe some people know some people doesn't know that Cinema Janine have been bulldozed down to the ground and been replaced to a shopping mall center a sheep shopping mall center, terrible design.
22:41
And this is sad now, okay. Here is like, we want to stand on this question what the sustainability of this project gonna be, okay. So I wouldn't say that the reason why the Cinema Janine was bulldozed and run down because it was mainly foreign, young, creative people
23:04
who come to the place without having a full knowledge of the culture and the community understanding of things. I wouldn't say that was the reason. I would only say the reason was there was a gap between building a cinema space engineer
23:22
and between how to keep this sustainable, okay. I remember when Cinema Janine opened and when I was a student at the film theater in the same time, I used to finish my school time at the film theater as an actor and then walking back to my flat
23:40
which is opposite Cinema Janine, okay. And seeing like 70 people working from all different background from Germany, from mainly Germany, obviously but it was also other people working there and like Palestinian local young people working and it was sort of refreshing. It was like giving a big, massive, huge hug.
24:02
Like for me, it was like if it was the case, it's still the same thing. I wouldn't have left Janine, you know. It's opened up a lot of like dreams for us to see all of this visual in that time. But obviously it was no plan. There was no plan.
24:20
There was no, the plan was just for tomorrow. You know, or after tomorrow. The plan wasn't even how to keep this space sustainable. How to keep, how to use, how to take an advantage of the fund that the Cinema Janine have received from an NGO organization or from the German government that time, okay.
24:43
And to make it circles, recycling inside the building itself rather than is just to spending money and goes and never come back, you know. So, and here where I want to say about death of the Ed for Palestine
25:03
I think is sort of very close together. Like the Ed and the death is the same things for the Palestinian now. Obviously Palestinian who work with a big NGO fund, you know but what I want to do in this time and if we want to go back to this new project
25:22
I think it's much easier because first I speak the language easily. I born there, I know the community. I have been involved in a lot of different level of community engagement to project in there, okay.
25:40
And I think I felt that young people in the community there look up for what this guy who used to be very controversial working with the Freedom Theater. Now he went away and come back. What he want to do in this space is he's going to do another controversial things or he going to do another thing. But this time I'm not coming back by myself.
26:00
This time we're working with as a collective we're working with a lot of young people male and female and different gender from the ground itself that they the one who are going to hold the ground together. You know, and we still open for the international collaboration, obviously because this is very important for us.
26:22
So this question is does have no one side answer is have a perfect example to look at which is Cinema Janine and Freedom Theater. I find it super interesting and also sad to hear that the whole work
26:42
that went into building the Cinema Janine just get replaced. But I mean, projects come and go and rise again. The question of sustainability is great. I mean, but this is revealing. I would laugh with like looking at the time
27:03
to invite Mara to share on your project and then we can come back together around the commonalities and challenges of our project in the very end. Yeah, so thank you Momin for explaining.
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I find it super interesting. This question of the yeah, who creates what where you know, like how are you anchored in a space? Yeah, so I'm here to talk about Operation Himmelblück and as I mentioned before we're a collective which is Berlin-based of a group of interdisciplinary peoples
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and our aim is to reinvigorate spaces that are not used so often which are rooftops which are precious precious spaces in cities that have little space that people can share. And I would like to share today very briefly
28:01
one of our projects that we did this summer which was like a pilot of first test phase for this group. So we went to Chemnitz in Saxony and we were part of a festival called the Begehomen which is the biggest cultural festival there and it's run, I just want to mention it
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because I find it really, yeah, it's a really great festival. It's run by a group of volunteers that come back every year for the last 17 years which I think says a lot about their dedication and also the quality of a festival and the idea of this festival is to reinvigorate spaces which are underused or which people don't go to.
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So in the past years they've been to a brewery, prison, lots of spaces that are normally not really accessible or not of interest. And this year they were in the Hecate area which is a huge area of prefabricated buildings.
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Prefabricated buildings in German Plattenbau which a lot of people know from GDR architecture and the Hecate was actually the third largest in the whole of the GDR, so it's massive. And it was built in the 70s on this utopian idea of providing good housing for workers.
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So enough light, enough space, access to all important amenities. And now since the fall of the wall and in the last 20 years, it's really turned into quite the opposite. It's become very empty. There's an aging population
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which doesn't really have access to amenities because everything is moving out. So there's a lot of space there but not so much room for innovation. And this year the Wigeung went there and they went to one huge platter,
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one huge prefabricated building and asked artists to reinvigorate the space and also an old shopping mall. So in German, in East German that's Konzung which is just the name for a small shopping mall. And they asked us to do something with a roof. So this was a flat roof.
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And we went, we came with ideas but really our idea in general is to find out what is needed and what is dreamt of in that space. And so we came with a few ideas but most importantly to us was to really find out what people there wanted.
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And so we came with these research questions like what do you dream of? What utopias could be realized on roofs? And basically what is missing? And to our surprise, you know dreams can also be very grounded and people mostly said that they lack the basic things
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that make a life kind of easier which is a pharmacy and ATM benches to sit on to meet. Some people mentioned beauty in public space. And so after this research phase which included walking through the streets and asking people and also a rooftop dinner where we invited people from all over Chemnitz
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to dine on this roof. We collected these impulses and we built a spaceship which to us represented utopia, you know utopia of this area utopia of generally city planning and urban planning and what people dream of like going far.
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And around this spaceship, we built benches which were in part made out of the material of the roof because we knew that this roof was gonna be taken down in a month or two the whole shopping mall will be destroyed because there's too much empty space there empty housing, empty buildings.
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And so we used parts of the roof to build these benches around the spaceship and so people could come and sit on these benches meet and see each other look at the spaceship and also listen to a sound installation that talked that basically condensed everything that we'd heard on the streets.
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And this was our aim to kind of like combine the very grounded needs of a community which are kind of yeah, they're simple and yeah, they're just simple needs which are really important. And then on the other side, this idea of like
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yeah, where do we dream to? And roofs are a great place for this. And so the festival was four days and they were 4,000 people, I think and this was only due to the pandemic they had a limit of a thousand. So a thousand came a day four thousand people came and sat on this roof and I really
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I could feel that people were really, really touched by this because on the one hand roofs have a there's just a magic in roofs and on the other hand, people felt heard because we'd come there as artists from another place but we really took time to find out what people actually wanted
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and we took it seriously when people say we want benches to sit on that sounds like nothing but actually if people want benches then why not have benches? And after this festival was over what was really important to us which also addresses this question of sustainability
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that we talked about, Mami what was really important to us was also that something remains and obviously memories remain when you do something like a festival for a few days but these benches were then also bought by the city of Chemnitz and they will put them up in the Hecate area
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so that people can still sit on these benches which are partly made out of this konsum, this shopping mall that no longer exists or that will no longer exist but the trace remains where people sit is actually the physical remain of this shopping mall
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and this was like the first time that we tested out this kind of way of doing things as a collective but we're all based in Berlin and the city obviously has incredible potential and is a fast moving place where there is a lot of question of like public space
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being not accessible to the community that is there and so now we are planning our next project which is hopefully going to take place this summer and also be longer because our aim is really on the one hand to do short interventions which are interesting and they're exciting and they make people maybe think or excite them
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but really our aim is to create spaces on rooftops that are sustainable where people can come together and then take it over so we want to be the impulse givers just I guess a bit like Mami and what you were saying about the forest you want to be the impulse giver but then in the long term
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we really want people to take this over the people of this building and so what we're looking at now is a building in Mitte, a platter which has around 80 plus people living there and we're looking at building a space on the roof that is modular so that it can be also shifted around
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changed according to needs if we do like a debate or a concert or a film evening there will be rooftop gardening and also our aim is to really have it green up there because this is another thing about cities that's the dark the dark roofs obviously take away a lot of the or store a lot of the heat
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so we need greener roofs in general and to then start this process that people start taking care of their own building so we will be there in the beginning but really on the long term we would like these roofs to then become what the people want them to be
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yeah and I think this is what I find really exciting about this initiative is that it combines something artistic with a social and creation with community so this idea of really we want to combine functional and beautiful because they do need each other
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yeah and there's really a magic on roofs I'm sure that many of you know how roofs are magical because there's air there there's a sense of possibility and I remember last summer in Chemnitz when people were sitting on this roof which was quite low down so you could still see trees
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it really felt like a market square and market squares have something you know really special where people come together but this is a market square in the air and there's so much potential there there's some kind of magic that yeah I guess the ground is harder to find that
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I don't know yeah and just lastly just to say we really want to stay independent of organizations so the idea is really that we offer something to a community but we don't want to be a provider of services
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for a certain housing company or etc the idea is really that we would like to use funds that are given to us but really stay independent in the way we design things and also in the narrative that we create up there because this is really not up to an agenda but up to the community that is around there
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yeah thank you for bringing up this challenge around the funding as well I mean creating up places like tapping into this untapped potential of roofs and making comments out of rooftop places in general is one thing but also like creating a space
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where people actually can come together obviously is doing a huge service to local community to democracy to the well-being of people and yeah how to support that is an interesting challenge I again invite everybody listening to get in touch
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or ask questions via the telegram chat and before we go wild just mingling between the projects maybe André you can give us some update
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on what's happening with Stadt-Bolten-Stiftung yeah please yeah I tried to make it quite quickly because there's already so much very super interesting content there and really nice to just keep on talking like for we have a little bit time to prolong our session
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because we started like seven minutes late but okay this is so you have to know that you have time to share thank you so yeah but what are we doing we are an initiative mixed out of people who come from neighborhood initiatives in Berlin
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from working in cooperatives people working who've been like working in academia and kind of trying to find alternative ways of ownership questioning kind of how the capitalist market in our cities destroys communities and people who are active in politics
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quite a diverse group kind of came together also mostly people who didn't know each other before and came together with the idea of creating something called like something inspired by the community land trust so first
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before talking about this organization inspiration of a community land trust I want to talk again or more deeply about like what's actually the problem what brings us together is kind of a problem that we see in Berlin is that in the last 10 years Berlin has changed very quickly in an accelerating speed and spaces are becoming less and less available
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like it's really an explosion of kind of capitalist exploitation of the ground in Berlin ground rents are rising prices for housing commercial spaces are rising local shops are being kicked out and replaced by kind of multinationally operating startups and funded startups on companies
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it's kind of all like a shift which all goes in the way of like creating the highest profit from the space which is available and this is really affecting our neighborhoods it's affecting our communities when very important jobs are leaving
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when places where child care places used to be they cannot pay the rent anymore they're being replaced neighborhood shops which kind of have been there for 30 years and there's a community of people regularly going to the same cafe knowing each other and all of this being threatened and this is kind of the problem we are like facing
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in this type of yeah where the only thing that counts is making the highest profit on the land as long as it's in private ownership and there's so much pressure like quite opposite to what we experienced in cabinets where there was lots of empty space and it's really the question how do you create inspiration and do something with empty space
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here we have the opposite of like there's so much pressure on creating something and so we came together and we're inspired by this idea of community land trust and community land trust are a type of organization which acts for many different places or houses but in a specific location
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like in a specific city and they have three principles community, land and trust so community means it's a community-run organization so it's an organization where people who live there who live in the neighborhood they can directly become part of the organization
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and vote for the people who are in the decision-making power so there's a democratic structure in the bylaws and it's like fixated it's also about land so that's really important for us we think we need this kind of civil society-run kind of neighborhood-based organization that owns the land
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it doesn't have to do all the things on top of the land but it's about kind of owning the land and making sure it stays out of a kind of a market out of being traded to whoever can make the highest money but actually take that land in the organization and then give contracts like for 50, 60, 100 years
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to groups or cooperatives which use the land but for a social purpose or a neighborhood purpose so for example say okay we own this land but now we give the house on top we give it to a cooperative or an initiative
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and they run the house for the next years, decades but they have to comply to some conditions like for example if there's a big commercial space they cannot just rent it to the highest price they have to ask the neighborhood what is actually needed here
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or for the flats they cannot just give them to anyone they have to give the flats at least a big amount of them to people who actually need them the most like who they cannot be like we just want these type of people here no they have to be open and accessible to people who actually need these flats and who are like have the most problems kind of on this capitalist market in Berlin
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and this is the concept of trusteeship like the last the trust that the community land trust is acting as a trustee and holding the land in trusteeship for groups and communities who have otherwise not the possibility to decide what happens in the city because they don't have the monetary resources
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to like buy land themselves so these are the three principles and we are finding a way of making that happen in Berlin and we are just in the moment of creating a foundation it will be like we will hand in all the papers in January we have collected 150 000 euros as a starting capital
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kind of for making the first project possible but it's really about kind of a long-term vision like there are foundations which operate like this like ours which are not non-profit organizations and they started one of them started 30 years ago
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in Switzerland with 14 000 francs and now they manage more than 300 million francs and it's really this idea of creating a foundation which starts slowly but it only is not just for one property because it's actually from each property
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giving a little money for like solidarity and to make the next project possible and through this grow and kind of be a revolving land trust which not in five years time but in 10, 20, 30 years really can have an impact in the city but at the same time stays democratically accountable
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to the people who use the space to the people who also are in the neighborhood and who people who are active for a different type of city so this in short is what we are kind of working on and maybe to make it more clearer like what could be a project for example like example like I think there are two types of projects
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which are we already working on in the moment where we already negotiations one is a quite a simple one it's where there's a people who inherited a multi-family house they are like 20 or 15 people living in this house and two of them are the people who inherited it
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but they want to give this house they don't want to deal with managing it and dealing with all the rents and repairs they want to give it in good hands and we negotiating with them a way to give it to the foundation kind of they can stay there live there forever like they have the rights secured
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but we also make sure that the other tenants are treated well and there's a small space which can be used as a neighborhood space and make sure that it's unlocked for the neighborhood now it's not used so this is one kind of quite simple way of kind of securing a house securing the low rents there
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securing that everybody can stay there and that it's not sold to the highest price to some investment company from Luxembourg which there's no face anymore it's just X for highest profit the other example is there's a commercial property in a bit outside of the center
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and it's really at the edge of the residential areas it's like an inner commercial area and there are three centers like housing centers like a refugee center where people kind of refugees who arrived in Germany are put in like not their own choice
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like they're put in there can live everything but they live really at the edge of the city there's nothing around it's very like a dire situation there's another center where people who are homeless and alcoholics and then there's a big house where only people live who work short-term in Berlin and then there's a very empty public space around
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there's no amenities nothing and there is a house which we try to buy and convert into something that's actually of use for the people living there like kind of creating a point of connection between people living in the residential areas in these different housing centers and secure affordable rents
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for social purposes for organizations that try to make something different so these are the examples and I think what is it about is about this idea of breaking up ownership
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of like not thinking about something that's owned by one person one organization but really involving as many people as possible when talking about something and giving them rights to have a say and through this maybe you know being guided by this principle of a commons of like how can we create this land which should be a commons
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I mean we cannot multiply it or produce new land like how can we most possibly treat it as something that is commonly owned yeah this is the the vision and that's what we are working on step by step trying to re-realize the first project next year
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yeah thank you so much I love this initiative a lot and I was walking in the park today and was you know in some way the park is a commons and then you have the stories of people buying a land and really accepting thereby the kind of custodianship
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that they take for this land and especially in the city so I find it so interesting to invite people into like active custodianship for their places and I feel like this mechanism can empower
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this relationship from you to your neighborhood or to you to the place you're in and I mean obviously Berlin there's a lot of like business happening in the moment but I mean still from the visionary power of this project
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I find it so strong that I'm wondering like what is the challenges for places to actually become community land trusts and why is there not more and more and more places already like falling in your way and then just to add to this question
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maybe like your own understanding of agency you gave an example where you said you want to go into shaping the place yourself as a way or like where's the activist where's the city land trust how much are you giving an impulse
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in the same way that Mara said you want to like give an impulse or like yeah you feel the question mark somehow yeah so there are two things the first one you're referring to the challenges I mean the message challenges
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that for buying kind of a piece of land kind of funding it like it's millions like we're talking about millions of euros for kind of a property in Berlin which is perfect like it's crazy like it's yeah so it's really about how do we gather the amount of funds we need
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find people who give maybe loans for very great conditions because they want to support it it's really about kind of collecting the money to even be possible to make things happen and so this is the one big challenge the second challenge is always kind of work we are already a group of 20 active people
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and many other supporters like we have 140 people who gave money and who are also feeling like supporters of the project and just in the small group of 20 already to work as a community like to like not as a community like work as a group
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and make collective decisions look at hierarchies powers kind of how do you deal with different interests different like where should we start like Berlin is big what kind of projects should we first work on where should we put our resources our energy that's always a big challenge like just kind of if you want to make many people voices heard
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you also have to find a way of mediating these voices and kind of still come together so these are two of the challenges which come to my mind right away we are working on them I think we are dealing with them but they keep on being challenges and we always have to find new ways of dealing with them and the second question is this role of initiative
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versus being maybe an instrument which can be appropriated by the neighborhood initiatives and it's something in between like it's quite a it's sometimes more the one role sometimes more the other I think in the beginning we have to be a bit active and show some initiative
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because you have to show what you can do what the instrument can be used for to then be approached but there are already many initiatives approaching us and being like hey we have this house in our neighborhood we want to this and this happen like how do we make that happen how can you support us so I think making the first projects possible
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there will be others coming and I think because we always separate the ownership of the land from the ownership of the house on top it always also restricts our power like there are many things maybe we have a certain vision but we cannot decide everything we always have to find somebody like a neighborhood group which works together with a cooperative
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in shaping actually what's happening on the place like we can only set the parameters but we always cooperate with others and by having to always cooperate with others it also kind of we might have to have some vision to extract the first groups and the people and the neighborhood depending always on the place
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maybe they are already there like there are houses where there is already a very strong vision and it's really us just bringing in the finances and kind of the long-term stability and being like we have a structure which enables you to make your goals which you already have to make them long-lasting and give them a structure which is not only valid for the next 15 years
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but actually can work for 100 years or more so it depends quite a lot but I think the idea there is some initiative we bring in but it's also restricted because we are not the people
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realizing the project in the end the everyday of the project we only set help set out the conditions and we always have to cooperate and I think that's good that we always have to cooperate because otherwise it gives too much power to us I love the aspect of timing you know organizing always this is also like synchronized by
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the factor of time and sometimes it's easy to have a short time span where you produce something and sometimes it opens up a big thing to have a longer window of operating speaking about time
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our time is getting very short now before we get ready for the next panel but I would love to hear if you want to share some inspiration that just came up for you in this moment listening to each other and obviously I want to just get a glimpse of moment into part two
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this was a great cliffhanger yeah maybe Mara first you have some fresh insights? fresh insights no pressure okay fresh insights yeah I mean as I was listening to Andre and before to Momin as well and just thinking about like what these
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three initiatives have in common I think especially this year for many parts of the world where this pandemic changed everyday lives and maybe also perspectives on place I think we are coming to more of a sense of like growing belonging
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you know I like this word belonging in the sense that there's longing in there which is normally far away but I think a lot of us are also realizing that a lot of what is there and what we need is around us that we don't have to go too far and that it's about committing to this place and making it better so I think this is what I find
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really beautiful about these three initiatives is that there is something about a shared commitment to take responsibility for growing for me it's like wow
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it's like so interesting to hear about a project in a sort of a metropolitan city you know like we're talking about like an early planning city like Jenin and then we're talking about Berlin like a massive metropolitan city
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well I thought about like obviously like the roof garden project in a city which is full of big businesses and building and stuff like this I think this is sort of a very
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utopian escape out of I mean Berlin is still have a lot of nice blade ground and greenery side of it where people can escape a little bit
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the city and just go for a long walk or something which is nice you know as well as here in London but to have something easy access in your own building not your own building but the building that you basically live there and it's absolutely amazing
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and to have like I love the idea of a dining table the idea of the dining table I think is very interesting in this kind of like very diverse community now in Berlin
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and I think there's a lot of there you know there's a lot of so much to be done there so much to be working around community like how to make sense of community I think this is a good question about like a metropolitan city you know and a futuristic city
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sort of and a very capitalist in the meantime as Andrew was saying and I think just the only thing come from my mind it was like I think it's we're working in a complete reversal project
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Like for me, I want Janine to become very invested in, you know, I want, I wouldn't say I want Janine to become a capitalist. There's no doubt, there's no question in there because there's the landscape and the politics around it, it will not make it that way, you know, which is I'm very relaxed from this point.
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But in the meantime, there is no investment in Janine. So sort of how to work around juggle between these two spaces and how to switch it in the meantime, you know, and how to look what underneath this, like all of this, how to bring it up in a small little city that suffer from a long period of a lockdown, of a military lockdown.
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This is a big question. But for me, it's like the second part of the project is a lot of questioning.
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It's a lot of like, how can we move, lift the whole community to a new, different level by programming a lot of different, new visual program to the community into this forest side of Janine City.
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And how to lift them from the dystopia to Autopia, you know, and how can we do the journey from dystopia to Autopia without harming anything as we had this two fantastic example, which is the Freedom Theatre and Cinema Janine that both end up costing a lot of harm to the people who work there.
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And how can we do the safe journey again from, from dystopia to Autopia and begin left the community because I feel as
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a member of the Palestinian community from Janine, I do feel that once upon a time, Janine and the West Bank was there. They were there, there was, there was a lot of happiness, there was a lot of lightness, there was a lot of freedom and expression and sense of individuality, you know, and how can
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So this space, I believe in this space to be the hub of a factory of argument, discussion, ideas and, and, and, and, and, and formulating and research on from small things to big things, you know, and I think the people that have been abandoned from so many small, beautiful things.
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Thank you, Daniel. Over to you. And how can we bring back those things into, and I think this space is the right space for it. I'm not talking about a building here. I'm not talking about theatre or cinema, Janine.
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I'm talking about like an environmental space, which is an open, massive, huge space that can be done a lot there for people to come and how can we lead? And all of this question for me, this is what the next thing, and how can we see this question being questioning by the community there?
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And how can we leave the space between the creator and the performer, which is the community, you know, and which in which time can we leave this gap?
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And to see it in a foggy, mingling and trying to struggle and trying to succeed and all of that. So I think, I think this is for me, the next step of the project is to, to let people let go with a lot of, like, a lot of things and a relief.
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And here where we can have a new beginning, you know? Yeah. And I think the same, I mean, the thing with, with the housing things in Europe now and Berlin and the
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ownership, you know, I think it's a big question also, you know, I think, I think this is what I meant by reversal. That it's not a big question in Palestine, because by nature in Palestine, you have to have a house, you have to own a house.
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There's no way you have to have a garden. There's no way, you know. And now, like, I have so many friends of mine in Berlin that have been renting for the last 30 years. And when I raised the question about, are you planning to own your own space in Berlin? They would be like, they're not sure about it.
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And also the idea of, like, rich people coming in, poor people have to leave to the edge of the area, you know? Not only refugees who are arriving to the edge of the city, but also the people
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who have born in this neighborhood, their kids can't afford to keep living in this neighborhood. So, and that will create a family saga. And, you know, like all of this question, and there's no right, there's no wrong, you know?
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So, yes, it's a lot of question in there for me, as well as making it fact and making it functional and work, you know? Thank you, André. Any reflections or words of goodbye?
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Thanks so much for the, yeah, just inspiration. It's time to talk. Like, I find it super inspiring. I mean, also very grounding, you know, just talking with you. I mean, it's like, yeah, there are also these different realities and, yeah. Yeah, like, I mean, we all have our local struggles and kind of see what can we do here locally.
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And I think this is important to not always, yeah, I think you have to act where you are grounded to and where you're connected to and where you're connected. But it's also like, what kind of solidarity across spaces can you create and kind of what kind of possibilities we have here?
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What kind of privileges we have here? How can we connect with other spaces in an emotional exchange and learn from each other? Yeah, that's just as a point to go forward. But otherwise, I'm just grateful for this time today.
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Yeah, thank you. I have the same impulse of how can we integrate these partnerships between place making efforts in one place into the other? And how can there be some kind of portals or windows of, you know, of just going in relationship with each other?
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So you can learn from each other's realities in the way. This was a great panel for the framing place making the solarpunk.
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And I hope we can follow you guys and support your journeys forward. I wish you all a great ending of the year and lots of energy for the upcoming year and the whole new decade, so to say. The next talk we have on our channel is Michelle Bowens giving a talk on
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the cyber-physical infrastructure that is needed for humanity to organize in the planetary boundaries. There, there, there. And this is going to start in five minutes. So all the listeners can grab a coffee or tea and tune back in.
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And meanwhile, thanks a lot and a big applause for all the beautiful sharing today. Thank you, Jacob, for the initiative. It was really, really interesting. Beautiful. Thank you.